198 Land med Einar Tørnquist: Israel del 1 med Hanne Eggen Røislien

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Men det är jo så du tar fram noa va som är problemen israel, at vi, det är, både att vi snakke på både, som sagt, no tidig politisk nivå, bibelsk nivå, og i en konfliktsetting, så sige at vi tar det enkleste färst, bu.

Ja, du kan.

Oke, så tar han enda lettere enda, enda lettere.

Är israel större eller mindre än norge?

Den formeljen din gör du mulle för dig att svar på dig faktisk?

Ja, mindre.

Det är det, men du kan sige akkurat på storter höre det.

Ne, jo exalt.

Men vi har ett tall som stor i norske lekska ombrukir, som är 22.070 kM.

Ja.

Exalt, då har man fortisikert...

Vi kan komme inne ur tallen.

Alla i vene.

Allt är bara röre med ranar, och dette kommer att bli ett kaos anepesodde.

Men hernne gränsir?

Har ni gränsir?

Nei.

Eikn sådan vil klare.

De har våpenvile linjer som har blitt de facto gränsir.

Grönne linjer, exalt, fra aviskisarisk kligen.

Allt en dina, eikn.

Dette ska bli spenne.

Eikn sådan at dihaar ekke internasjonalt anna kjente gränsir,

men dihaar våpenvile av taller fra dhe bakte 40 talla.

Vis dere går over her, så skyt vi dere.

Dere går over her, så skyt vi dere.

Dere blir leit.

Ja.

Så det blir en slags gränse, en de slags de facto gränse

som fom atta ekke är en juridisk gränsa, da.

De jure, men vil sida vi sida sagt, de facto.

De jure, de facto, och, gudanme, dette he, o...

Nu är go.

Nu var vi lit sånt.

Vis vi sida israel,

är sånt cirka likestort som gamle nordtröndlag fylke,

som heller icke finns lenge,

så har vi åsta på dhe henne.

Så är vi drygär.

Inbygertall.

Ja, det är väl om 39,4 miljoner nå, men...

Men vis du rena va di och di,

och så icke rena va di och di, så är...

Alltä marirö.

Men vis du nå tar Google som en icke ansvarsfjöl kjilde,

så komle i avkanta 9 miljoner.

Folketal, det stiger veldi raskt.

Ien så komle litan på godan,

du teller etta he, da, icke sant.

Men ordentlig svarer på di, syndun osper.

Ja, ju, da, da.

Ja, e, ja, som fölgir, at israel,

di e o en volsom konfliktse fölgir,

mellem israelan e pos dina,

och i di okyperta områdne,

som vi da icke ska snakka som i ona,

som da jemt over e, westbredden,

östjärus eller men golan høydne,

ish, gasa, for ik å glemme gasa.

Ne, men e tog dike me, for di,

at vor borle store jödiske befolkningkrupper,

da Oslovtalen ble underteinet,

så varle 110.000 bosetre,

alltså jödiske, jödir i di okyperta områdne.

Di hae jo stegetil underkanta 700.000a,

og di e särli i östjärus eller i man westbredden.

Samt, vor mye ska du telle me,

di befolkningskruppne der,

så spørd du vorre hovedestaden,

di hee jo Jerusalem,

men den hee jo delti to,

men grunde linje fradisant,

1967.

Men i östjärusalem,

og westbredden,

så borle da jundekant,

komle dan poln du reiner,

700.000 ish,

du legge på en litsnär miljon.

Dette e israelere,

som måta hae da bosat,

jödiske israelere,

som ha bosat se,

e i stor konflikt me palestinärne,

og fn.

Klart?

Pero inbygurtal,

mellom 9-10 miljoni.

Mellom 8-10 miljoni,

ja,

da siwe mellom

3-26 miljoni,

nesdus.

Neha, minne 50.

Og viso går te befolkningsthetheten,

ne, den avinge vellit dha,

ovo stort lande her,

425.

If you can be a mediantal here,

425 people per square kilometre,

to samlingning in Norway,

it is 14.

So it says that there are a lot of people in this area.

Danes in 1948,

it was 860.000 inbygurt,

so it has 12 times,

about 30 since that time.

Can you atleast say that?

Very exciting, shall we comment on that?

No, we can not comment on everything.

Now we have to hope, we go to Valuta.

It is a simple answer,

and it is a chekel.

New Israel chekel.

New Israeli chekel,

100 agorot,

3 kroner on a chekel about it.

But here it does not go fast.

Do you have a date like the crown?

Now it is not.

Valuta expert,

you have got in the studio.

It was one to one,

I started with that,

but then I am an old lady.

I have a date.

In that degree I have a date.

But at a time when you go in a direction,

you will enter another country,

when you have gone over a lot of sand.

How many rounds do you want to have on that?

Because we can start with...

No, Palestine is a country that you can start with,

and that is here in my 108th definition.

So that is a date.

So, Palestine.

If we...

Now we hope, we book this Palestine

and ask it, because this is a bit of a mess.

Yes, because it is, because we are in the fact of the box,

only at the beginning of the podcast,

we are going to dive into the right way.

Ok, we hope for 3 hours about that.

Ok, but exciting, the fact of the box,

Israel has borders to Lebanon in the north,

Syria over the Golan Heights,

Jordan to the east,

and Egypt to the west.

Yes, it was all in place.

You have kissed me?

I ask, what is the answer?

I don't know the answer.

I read it.

And Palestine?

Both you and Gaza Strip,

and all that stuff.

So we just say that,

that is the border, that is the relationship

with Palestine now.

Everything is fine.

Go in and zoom in on the map,

and look at all the lines,

and be nice yourself.

So you kissed, of course,

and that is a bit different,

because I kissed the middle sea,

the middle sea is a bit up from the Red Sea.

A bit, a bit, a bit,

but a very much used Bade land,

I would say.

Yes, I went to see the street view.

Yes, I must think,

a lot of the beach,

a lot of the sun,

and a lot of the sun.

Is it a kind of place,

where you take a lot of tourists from the environment?

A very free space.

I have lived and worked there

a few times myself,

in 2002.

And then the beach,

the beach party,

a lot of drinks in half a glass.

I don't drink Israelis that much,

they have a Russian problem.

We can talk about that later.

That they don't drink too little?

They don't drink too little,

but they use other types of Russian.

Here it's like going on a trip,

they don't do that in the same way.

But it's possible to get a latte,

as we talk about here.

Cocktails, you can say.

Yes, it's like that in the city.

Yes, it's Ayanappa,

as you know.

And then it's next,

I want to say,

you can go from the Egyptian border,

and then putle, putle, putle, putle.

If you take the Beijing and think you're going a bit

to get the stomp up,

you can go over to Ljorda.

It's 5 kilometers now.

It's a good trip.

You can probably stand in the middle

because it's next,

so you can throw a stone in the direction of now.

Don't take the stomp up,

and the border is Israel.

In fact, that's what I'm doing.

But as you know,

as Israelis,

you can have a snack

to putle around in the middle of it,

and a snack to putle around in the middle of it.

We don't try to say that this is

now the border again,

because the Palestinians

that you hold to,

have to use their own home numbers.

They don't get a border

so far away from the Gaza,

the Palestinian Gaza.

So they don't...

We're allowed to

use boats,

so take the boats and fish,

so far out to get fish.

It looks a bit like

some of these, it's a bit strict.

What can you say?

It's over-strung,

and of course it's out of bounds.

Some of you may remember

ten years ago,

that there was a ship

that wanted to go

cross the border,

cross the border

into Gaza.

It was a ship with Scandinavis,

with a lot of cultural people

who would make a statuary example.

What are the reasons?

Because they are against the Palestinians,

there has been a lot of identity.

Of course, there is a very violent occupation there.

They call Gaza a prison.

The Palestinians don't come in

and out into the country,

and there are restrictions

for how far out the Palestinians are

out of the Gaza,

under the sea.

So there is also a restriction

for how far out I am allowed to go to the boat.

They can drive so far out,

but after that it's

not allowed for them.

Yes, and then it starts to be a burden

for fish in the shallow water.

There is a problem for the Palestinians

that it is possible to make their own economy.

Yes, it is not true.

And then you don't get the Palestinian...

It's not like they have allowed

to use the Palestinian airspace

and then control Israel.

Yes, it is.

We will try to say that

Israel has become a bit cool

and has pure sympathy all the way.

It is a bit tough.

Yes, and then I think that this is not a sympathy.

We will not do a sympathy question.

But it is...

When the country has been in conflict

for so many years,

you can of course

go into legal work there.

And it is a violent conflict

in relation to how you can

deal with international humanitarian rights,

FN and so on.

But there are now two people

who also live in this over time

and some of the questions that I have

engaged in, I have been what happens

with these people group

in this conflict for a long time.

We can talk about this later.

Israel will

be called the accused

not to break themselves.

Why do they break themselves?

What is happening?

We see in the demographic

where the Israelis live.

What is happening?

You can say that the Israelis

should break themselves more.

What happens with the people group over time?

Israel is

breaking themselves

in a description of Israel

I must say in some way

the Israeli population

is suffering and has been in conflict

for so long.

We see now

that the entire Israeli political landscape

and the demographic and the psychiatry

Israel is suffering a lot

from being in conflict for so long.

And they have settled

in Tel Aviv called

Bobble.

And they

place themselves

politically

called the center

left

as in many ways

they have potential

to solve the conflict

because they stand for another line

in the Israeli conflict.

The right side is much harder

than the left side.

And the right side is more conservative

than the left side

is much more liberal.

Much more connected to religion and nationalism.

And the left side

but they break themselves in such a time

that people take in much greater degree

an active choice to move to Tel Aviv

and turn the conflict in the back.

And if you go back to the map

that you drew up in the beginning

if you have a look towards the sea

you have a look towards the west

and the Palestine conflict

happens up in the mountains in the east.

So it's like the Netherlands

but the west side is

a mountain area

east for Tel Aviv

If you go from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

it takes an hour

then it's

45 minutes

and then it's a climb

from 0 to 990 meters

and that's it.

So it goes right up

in the mountains there is the Palestine conflict

so if you

and it's very

conservative and hardliner

correct it a bit

but it's to make a clear argument

and if you draw to the east

it's much more like

east life

people who are

Tel Aviv

is known to be a homo city

homo friendly city

which is so strange, a lot of degrees

but in comparison with the area around

I think it's just like Francisco you can

compare it with

it's not to draw on it

and then we can go into

HDI

because I have to say human development index

but it's so nice to say it

so HDI index

I don't know where it is

from the first place we have

Norway on the west

and then on the last place

in the south

where is it

I think it's there

very exciting question

I don't know exactly

I know many others

but in my answer

I can do it

they are on the 22nd place

over a good country to live

if you expect to live

without any potential

out of 198

now I took the glasses just to hear what you said

yes, you better hear that

because you have

this is the place back in the US

which is on the 21st place

you expect a level of 82.7

it's very high

it's a time until the 8th place in the world

it's better than Sweden

they are among the highest

out of the conditions

and they have the highest life quality in the whole region

so they are on the 22nd place in the world

I am almost not impressed

I am a little surprised

as usual

it's possible

to explain this in different ways

Israel is difficult

to understand

from the glasses

because it's a split country

it's difficult to understand

to explain

without going deep

in the world

because it's a split country

it's difficult to understand

without going deep

in the matter

because it's not Israel

it's very complicated

as you can say

Israel is under Israel

because it's possible to pull up

some of the differences

Israel has

you have an Israeli

who is secular

non-religious

and they are deep and intense religious

religion in the whole Middle East

but also

Israel

doesn't care about a real religious question

it cares about how you live your life

both Islam and Judaism

that makes it religious

it's a lifestyle

I remember

not like the person in Christ

when I started

I was religious

and I remember

in the beginning I was so surprised

and the people said

I would like to be more religious

but not at the time

and it's a meaningless situation

it's a very exciting thing to say

you're not okay

and you have time to think about

because it's

for example

in some areas you can buy a

Tanbörste

but everything you do

regardless of where you are

your life is going to be

with the Torah

and of course you have time

there is a Torah app

that can explain

they don't like it

because it's a technological revolution

the animation rolls out

I don't think it's a

okay

but if you have

that

you have two folk groups

that are fundamental

about how you should live

and it's

it's a good idea

because you just

hold on to two very different things

I don't hold on to people who are afraid

to learn to stress

and if they get out

and get a job

but in that

it's also very interesting

to take with you

in advance if you want to understand Israel

because then you can

in Norway

there is a lot of statistics

you can say

in BNPE and many things

Israel and Norway have been together

for quite a long time

but they have been together

for 8-10 years

Normans stand on all

a little bit

we stand on absolutely everything

I stand on a little bit

as a person

I don't know

it's a little

but I'm curious to think

it's so nice to take a little extra

I'm so

and you're so brave

it's just a gift

I'm sure you're going to find it

because it's just that

in Norway we are strong

we are naive

we are a people who can

get us a little

and it's a

fundamental for a democratic function

that we stand on

in Norway we know

that when you pay the tax

you get the money

we don't care if it's Arna or Jonas

we know that this works

if you go there

you can get it

and if you get a round ticket

you can go to politics

and politics doesn't come

to round banks

you know

you can stand on them

and if you get a round ticket

you can find the gift

and meet up at home

we have the

fundamental that it's so high in Norway

and when we do

research in Norway

about our democracy

I work in the government

people stand on the government

and then it comes to Israel

it's not the same

they stand

in the opposition

they stand on some

literally

Israel

is a little weak

but we see

that in many research

there is an Israeli addition to the system

and it's weak about 10%

sometimes a little over

sometimes a little under in Norway

there is 90%

in a lot of research

Israel says that they stand

on each other

Israel doesn't stand on the Palestinian

Israel

secular Israel doesn't stand on

religious Israel

and so on

so when you say that

the HDI scores are quite high

yes but no

I understand

and then

you are on the HDI defined

and out of that it's like that

and I went into what is called

world population review

to see where they are on the so called

happiness index

from 2021

and then it is

there is a 12th place

it is quite happy

it is between

you know how it is defined

but it is between Australia and Germany

and here they are quite

it's not the first time in history

or that it is

the young man on the train

they have

Viktor Urban

you won't be very lucky

it's not

it's not the first time

that the population groups

that live in war and conflict

are quite high

and have it nice

it's a well-known trend

but I'm not so surprised

because over the years it's

answered that it's good for them

but I would like to see

that it's broken down

and then

we will move on to

religion

do you think they have the region

it's actually

it's broken down

it's a bit too easy here

and if we are going to choose

one region that is more

represented than the other region

what would it be good for

Zoroastrianismen

is it 3,6%

it's not that great

it's 73,6%

it's not

it's not meaningful

it's not even that great

we are not surprised

we are just going to move on

we can go in detail

demonium

it's the building name

you understand israelit

because it's called israelit

yes, yes, yes

and if it's there, it's israelit

we can move on, state form

it's a president

and it's so called

republic

language

it speaks arabic

and arabic and english

and in itself a lot of people speak russian

yes it is

and you speak russian, you do it

it's just that I have 8 russian

and it's a russian

it's a mountain

they say it's a mountain mountain

and it's

and that's

in a way

it's not a very very good place

do you want to

do slalom between the israelit

I personally think

it's an experience I don't have

Is it that the mountains are always the same?

The mountains are called a kind of insane thing in that context.

And it is a bit like that.

It is a bit like that.

But also because I am a member, I thought that she should take me shit of my ass.

I see, I see.

You take it as an extra special luggage on the plane.

With a ski bag.

It is the highest mountain in the world.

It is 1208 meters above sea level.

It is the longest.

What did he do?

River Jordan.

It is a song, I think.

Really?

Yes. Many have heard it.

35 miles away from the word, the engine.

Many have the most crazy area in the middle east.

If you want to drive through Trøbbel, it is that...

So you don't actually get it?

No, so I would say yes.

You can try, but it is not the right choice.

It can't be.

Then you are in the dead sea reef.

And it is again a place where the African and Arab countries have met on the plate.

It is a bit of an earthen area.

The whole of the middle east.

But that is the reason why it is an earthen area.

And here we find the land and the world's largest point, the dead sea.

428 meters below sea level.

It becomes a place to live, because it does not dry out a bit.

It disappears, not just a little.

It disappears in a crazy speed.

Here now it is 330 meters deep, so it is a bit to go up and down.

But it will be less salt.

Yes, but it is divided into two.

It was one.

It is right.

It is two.

And it collects 644 square meters.

It is also not double than Mjøsa, but it is still quite big.

At the end of the shoreline here.

I did not cut with Mjøsa.

I drove with Mjøsa yesterday.

I did not cut with Mjøsa one time.

I do not cut very much.

No.

34 percent salt in the water, which is ten years as much as is in the ordinary ocean.

And that means that you can sit down after a few hours on the shoreline of you.

Yes.

A few hours?

Yes.

It is a bit unequiv.

It is very, very strange.

If there is a small bend that is a little bit to the head.

Then it is like a book of salt in the sun.

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Dhe som storien fra da, er dhe som mange haurtam klagem jorn.

Dhe er denn vi har panthe som man susepo, og puttupredi nene.

O li men, puttup, ja puttup, som har lappur och susleut på denn.

Ja, så det er denn som storien fra det originalne temple som da ble brennt av Qesititus i år 70.

Så poängen med det, er jo, det her har vi flere ting san tiden,

om du spöre om Israelerne.

Fordi da ble jödenne fordrevet som vi er, san, ore vi bruko dag, san.

Da miste ti osso autoriteten kalda det,

over Jerusalem.

Og dhe som storien, er klagem jorn.

Den er li som kort version av en historie sovegli,

men etter det, så ble jo jödenne fordrevet.

De flyttet i to retninger.

Den ene flyttet mot i retning Turkia inovre Avropa.

De har blit den ene jödiske stammen.

Eller ko ikis død dammen.

Er det det askenasi?

Ikusas.

Sephardi.

Ja, Sephardi.

Og nandre i nord-Afrika.

Oke.

Men dha komme vin til et nytt,

var enklä di ti osso skulle,

fordren vi sakurame i foraltil,

wo mange stammer dhe er,

fordi at dhe,

dhe er et sant begrep som her,

den tapte stammen

av alla disse jödiske stammerne,

eller Israelitiske stammerne,

nun ha kalde dhe.

Nå, prøve forenke lite komplicert historie.

Poenge her er,

dhe Israel ble opretit,

så skulle alle jödiske grupper

få automatis stadsbrukskap,

og tryghet,

og sikkerhet.

Og dhe dhe er,

et utroli vikti prinsip for Israel,

og dhe komme snakom,

jenna, jenna, jenna, jenna, jenna, jenna, jenna.

Dhe har utroli mye osi

for wo dan Israel organisere sesell.

Dhe hete no,

alli jödiske stammerne?

Alli jödiske,

dhe er,

og emigrere,

men,

so er dhe,

nemli dhe at,

av disse stammerne,

dhe er,

diya klart jöre rede for,

wo tolla dhe blea,

dhe,

dhe han diya klart jöre.

Den tapte stammen?

Ja, den ha blit lit zo'n,

et symbolisk,

en vikti sak,

isnt den tapte stammen wo blea nas,

har le verit,

se verit,

et der noon befolkningsgrupper,

som ha er,

mo the,

ska,

ver lit,

forsikte mo wo dhe,

me foklarar dhe,

men,

dhe,

wo,

dhe,

wo,

dhe,

en jöne,

zo'n set,

will jö dhe,

zo'n at den israeliske myndeter,

ha jo,

prö dhe finne,

disse ulike befolkningsgrupperne,

frate bake,

til diya du,

ditha brindelige sparsmal.

Shit.

Oke.

Also,

also,

mega lenge sinn.

Ja.

Men,

dhe,

grunnlegne principi for israel,

eo,

at alle jöder verden over,

haer,

bo dhe,

ret til,

et,

statsborgeskap,

men,

also,

til,

o få israeliske myndeters beshittelse,

dhe,

kalde,

sikret,

israel.

Oke,

ee,

avesporade,

heet.

Dhe,

dhe her,

eo,

heit,

e o,

eo,

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mwë ritmers erti âuqisa eitë jënda iqendea,

pata-domивålam,

bëx searchin tha tenn dhe,

mwë jënda iqendea,

vëndrën tarri cmater asteroidė ne trudin pëestari,

dreef ram en sonn farfölse,

donn tortur og hennretelses slakte vann vidd,

wo da jöde ble brennt i shvær flokker po boll,

alas den versste dagen, alas i stress bor,

en dan dag i februar 1349 ble 2 tusn jöde drept samme dag.

Alas, det helst sinnsy ke mängde me sonne historie

fra alas en tusn isa år,

wo dan jöden ha blit farfölte bistenkljort,

wo ja bärfölde ha vikti ha unneske ke wo'r lite hot shit jödena var

i europa po 1800 talle,

alas 1814,

norge fornige grunna av 17 maj,

so,

dhe färvio me flaggo optog,

men visdu va jöde,

i norge fornige tia,

so hadde jo velle liten grunta jublo

wo den paragrafen som sa

den evangelisk luturske religion for blivir statens offentregion,

di indvånare der bekjener seitil

den ere forpliktade

til at oppdragiside bern i samme,

jesuitir wo munkordinir mo ikke talls jöder

ere fremdeles udlukkade

fra algang teregit,

sto li wo, i grunloven,

ee, ikka sanat,

so jödena e jo for hot overalt,

po den tia her.

Dhe velle interesant poeng

du trekke fram,

wo dhe er lite unnokommunisert,

nor vi ska driva

forståa isra po destina,

men musi norska

leggbort konflikten

men se po dhe jödiske israel,

so e jo,

dhe du trekker

ap dhe er,

utroli vikte,

wi mo huske

woa slaks,

epsi woa we lekt

pa skolen om

den jödiske historien,

wi nannte,

snaket so vitista

om ovar sötti,

jödena ble fordrevet,

dha flyttet jo fra israel

til blantant

o nord-europa.

No ska wi komprimeran

lang historie

epsi woa

en ting som kom,

dha

war jo blantant

at isre,

ne jöder fikk joke

e indom srett,

e manga disselanne

som di bosatse se,

dhe e o eit problem,

iksant,

woa sko du livenare dha,

da,

o se ble dhe

eit entio

dhe ope me

o veret internationalt

kallde et handelsfok

dhe jöder har,

dhe ha jo jöre me

en religiosorven

e oet di haar hebraisk

som sprok,

so dhe beti oate

he hadde eit sprok

som di hadde kunde

dhe hele po krystot versia

landegrensir,

dhe hae go

grobun for internationalhandel.

Dhe jo se wo wi osat

ble drattit vil

i foroil til

mo foske dytjönne punger

po handel,

iksant.

Dhe e en grunn,

eksant,

til en zan skepsis,

men

e men o sakon

dhe,

at dhe di ble

jöderas grodi

iksant,

men so folklat o hae

Iksant,

e chere

jöderast

do de

prø.

innen

eksant,

o dhe

o sut

Wo dan kom vi i den situasioon na jau enkle desan e intresankt, wo dan ente vi jop, me di forferdli e tingene som sked di andre veen.

Ja le byntu ikke i 1940 me forferdli sere jöder.

So lu di ikke. Israel som stat, moderne stat, e jo bygget po led resultat av den et zionistisk projekt a zionismen.

Dernan pan zionistisk, nasionalistiske moten mot reaksioon po antisemitisme in Europa, le.

Den firste zionistiske verdenskongresen ble avholt i basel i 1897.

Og da bestemte di seifor, don kort fortalt, vi vil etablere et jödisk israelsk, et jödisk jambilan.

To so komre mot reaksioon po, wo forfero verdenskulli ha dhe.

On forkskulli ha dhe israel.

Da var lu ik no stat a herseføgli.

Ne, de va osman skrike.

Da, dhe va on europeiske koloni herre i dhe amrode dhe.

Blantant Franckrika og Sturbitania.

Dhe et antkaplitle, du usko holt liit over.

Ja exanth, di har verat.

Portugisarne ha qe verat a somia bara.

Di fokusjerte liit po afrikanskla.

Myantos liit me po den tijade.

Po den tijden dhe, po slutten av 1800-tale, bylnsen 1900-tale,

so dreveo vi me nasionalramantikin.

Vi var jo glad i Björnsson i Björnsson a Ypsen a Kjellan a li.

I vår nasionalisme var li ke plast djødne.

Dhe dhe en historisk trendi hele europa.

Dhe va okn inkludi ena nasionalisme som vi hadde dhe.

Vi bygde nasjon vi.

Vi hadde akrat lösiribos fra Sverige 1900-tale.

Vi skul li skul li skul li ege nasjon men ege dhe dhe dhe dhe dhe dhe tete.

Nå, du ke po omison.

Her kan allo fo koma vere somn som di vil.

Dhe asko ver tjydli a skarpe i grönsne.

I hele europa hele den jødiske befolkningen

fotte eht slaks ultimatum na kallde dhe asimulation,

integrasjon eller fovisning.

Dhe re me enten vere somn hos.

Eller hole sjuden for.

Dhe o komme,

komme op me i tanken om mo lage et tablere

eht en jødisk stat,

ee veldi i tiden.

Va ehele fn bygit bo?

Dhe en nasionalstatsprincipe.

Eht en nasjon en stat.

Eht olomi.

Iksan.

Tsefärgli, vi forenklar lite ile anna,

me dhe e fo fofram,

eksan tyrli etna,

eht dhe her eken,

ingen ande dreme,

dhe e bara,

dhe sjonisne tengte,

død skul jöre.

Dhe eer somn,

vi osso jore.

Norge va eike no supe grei e vi hele.

Vi ha jo,

va eike ver the en inkluderne stat,

vi hele.

Vi kengsia tengre po.

Ja, iksan.

Iksan,

men osso norsjonal romantikene,

eu hörte also

antisemitisme.

Ngè the

Laos pa siste plas fara, 0,2% fara, veldi braa.

Västsebredden og Gaza pa färste plas, men 90% me antisemitiske holdningi.

Norge er...

Alla, dere 15%, alla 570.000 av den voksne beholdningin,

som mota afslöre, eller inrömer at di har antisemitiske holdningi.

Dere gasme mymeiski, var i Norge.

Og vi er blant din beste i glasen her alza.

Alza, alla 6-7% me antisemitiske holdningi.

Utra denne definisjonen se fara.

Men,

na vi jobme sonna samfunns-witenskaplige utfordringer,

er jo en forsel på å forklare, forstå og legitimere.

Di blandes veldi.

Og det blir...

Det är veldi tydli i den Israel-Palestina-saken,

för le att det blir så fort så knyttet till,

det gör dem yngen rätt till.

Ne, det är ingenting,

ingenting gir noongang noongan rätt till

å bryte mänskerhetetne.

Det är ook det argumentet vi körer her,

men...

Men det är viktig.

Vi må pröva forklare och forstå.

Ikusant, och det är...

Men vi må ke blandes korten, eller?

För le att...

Det är di viktig för meg å så i den bultasen där.

Ja, ikusant, det är kämpeviktig.

Och jeg blir litt fortvigelit ofte,

jeg blir tillakt holdninger, jeg ikka har.

Men dette vi snakker om now,

vad som skeddi perioden,

sluten av 1890 talla

och fram till 1860...

ne, 1968.

Vad är det enkle som har skeddi, ikusant?

Og Norge har jo gott en lang vei

i foråld till inkludering,

vaddan vi se på,

andre grupper osv.

Se på hele runden vi har någ.

Ja, nå nettopp,

vadre egen kulturminister

sän sige, at vi ska leike

kunde drive me homo

och konverterings,

det är mange minoriteter i Norge

som sliter me

å få genomslag,

och vi snakker om en minoritet

her,

genom historien

som har mistet rettetne sinne.

Mm.

Så det är både deres kamp

för att faktisk vere med minoritet ett sted,

kan du sida,

som på det är...

noa begrunnisen

för iser eller statsstatnelse.

Eller få sionismen, då.

Oke,

vi snirkler os inn mot det her,

och så kan du jo sida

det att det var jo

inflyttinga till disse områdne

som sender ble iser her,

det starte ake i 1948

da staten iser her ble uppretta.

Folk bejunter ju å komme länge før,

blantan,

för det ble ute-stengt

fra fersile rikir som

blantant norge da.

Men da

er jo dette her

ett område som da

over lang tid,

siden

Keiser i Titus

fra Romriike

jagede folk ut

och dötte om till Syria-Palestina

som sida,

jag kan ke Latina,

sorry.

Som a moen,

siden sida,

djødne da faktiskt

beuner å kolonisere

Palestina her, da.

Hurdan klarer-lide?

Wete-de?

Hurdan klarer-lide

som bara dradit

och så

eike ble kjepjaga

reht utin?

Verden sinisterorganisation

lagde jo en oppkjöpsplan

ja.

Fersht.

Ja, etter

1987

ja, du flere,

da di jo flere,

men da var jo tanken

fersht,

som bidro

til

en folke

also

for flytninga

men

di entio

ganske rast,

di tokul bara

i unikantat

tyvår

fjød di

ble

ganske

di som heter

voldli samen støt

og tidis krig

i seldi

i seldi hebron

område

men

vor di gik fra

å vere oppkjöp

til samen støt

til

sant,

di bitte lite område

na noon

ska flytter in

se er di

po bekastninga di

andre

ja,

bo ju folktere

bo der i

tusen i saver

men

men ditte område

e ommate

biit galtle

mindreguliert

e ommate

naaride komme mashu gjöder.

Dei ti di boleran, så bynler seni

la atdani moort nazn own arisme dä約 sequen berÈv.

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Reht föer utbrudda krigin,

s o aele sant den Britsk regering kombe franme.

Da eite mye franme te baka da.

Til eite aele,

unhensiks me seo del eite lande ae rito.

Den djöderst national jem ska befinne se innen pausistinskin stat.

O de ska komme max 75.000 djöder,

di neste fem årene, alse årene 1940-45.

Tinga til lande franme for de,

som, ja,

den brenne nesetemt ganske greit, da.

S oe veldi speciallt pa redde, da.

Synzia, da.

1948, 14 maj,

dannes nationen israel födes i krig.

O da eite aele sant noe,

det første som skjer ae,

mele merat, det bli eite klart krig.

Eite, eite dag toen sant na rikins.

Dag ene.

Det er dag ene,

lit ut bletn medan dhe.

Da var krig, ja.

O veme eite som møtes til dyst,

til denne gangen?

Eet svo vi ska ta kort historien, hee.

Ja, vi møtes tyrne.

Ja.

De arabiske Nabostatne

aksepterte ikke FNs delingsplan,

na du si 14 maj,

da israel blei dag

anakjent opretet.

Det blei krig i område,

samedøin.

I löpda di neste årene,

at israel får gränsne sinne,

som ikkende dun israelis,

me beteimte op FN.

Ne.

So da ee,

israels størlse ee,

Disputed,

som ee svo peinteret.

Ja, det e disputed,

men dea, for at,

di har gränsne ee,

wopenvillea av taler,

eiter krigne,

som israel hadde sinne,

første to levor.

Når du löpe mot verandre,

så på eitlanda tis mosiv,

e at her,

israel löpe robot her,

så skit vi det.

Da kommer wope linje...

Men den...

Dela radna ea,

o sonset,

i gosvenilogisk,

vanskli ee ord,

bruke her,

men for det den fölle,

fx jordan elven,

jordan dalen.

Den dype dalen,

kansme ee,

vanskli ee,

wope over me...

Men dea gör ee,

at forrole,

som israel har,

til nabor landne,

ikka ee,

pregit av,

o ska si fredli,

ee,

nordu ha wopenvillea,

talar,

som grense se betyrde,

o sot,

grensne ee militarecete soner.

Dei grensne der,

ha ju da,

vernt betente,

ee,

noe,

18 år siden,

sitte ee,

17 år siden,

israel sista wo er i krig me,

fx libanan,

som dreidsam den...

2006,

som wopenvillea,

wopenvillea, grensne.

Mm,

ja,

ee,

hum,

hom,

ee,

eech,

ee,

Kar substitas eksisit agunga pide konw minister

1906, 1905.

So, eeeh, mäxer, eeeh, me holde ross unna, eiksom...

Ne stun sinn, karton tol tilår, sehet bus.

Ja.

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Denne uken skal vi ut i betent terreng og farlig farvann når Israel skal under lupen. Få land skaper så mye splittelse blant verdens befolkning, og det som vanligvis et objektive, enkle innslag i faktaboksen blir en kilde til konflikt og debatt. Hvor stort er landet? Avhenger helt på hva du kategoriserer som grenser. Hvor mange bor det der? Vanskelig å si. Hvordan er den gjennomsnittlige israeleren i gata? Fuglene vet. Hva heter hovedstaden? De lærde strides, og 'strid' er et nøkkelord som oppsummerer Israels innholdsrike og kompliserte historie. Dette er altfor mye å ta tak i for en quizglad geografiinteressert bartemann, så selv om Einar har med seg en bråte mer eller mindre kvalitetssikre fakta er det behov for noen voksne i rommet, og den ansvarlige til å lose oss gjennom dette metaforiske og reelle minefeltet er ingen ringere enn forsker, forfatter og foredragsholder Hanne Eggen Røislien.

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