Les Grosses Têtes: DÉCOUVERTE - "Les pourquoi du rugby" : Florian Gazan, sa passion pour le sport

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Hello, it's Arnaud Krampon.

Welcome to this episode of

Why the Rugby.

In this special episode,

I have with me the one whose spirit is faster

than any other world circuit.

Which explains why Florian Gazan.

Hello Florian.

Hello Arnaud.

We all know that you're a football enthusiast.

supporter of the PSG.

And of the Olympic Games too.

Since the Olympic Games,

what division do they belong to?

It's a bit calmer. I have the impression

for the Olympic Games.

But before, I don't know.

We're friends, so I know.

But you're also interested in rugby?

Rugby. Without the G.

Only rugby without the G.

That's what the G doesn't interest me.

It's the origins of the Camargue

that even if we play rugby in Camargue,

we get closer.

It's true that I don't put my thumb

in the south.

But the most important thing is

to start with the NARBONS.

You understand?

When I was young,

it was the great time of Bezier,

Richard Astre and all that.

So I followed it a bit.

It wasn't that far for us.

Later, the French state,

because I worked in energy.

We had to support the French state.

With Max?

Max came every year.

We had to do the calendar.

The guy's calendar with a balloon

on a radio, it's complicated.

How did you never find yourself in the calendar?

Because unfortunately,

I think that even in February,

which is the shortest of the year,

it's not good for me.

You followed this world cup.

I am eventually a lot blue.

I look after the big nations,

Springboks, Australia,

Blacks, Ireland.

I try to look at the matches

where it seems a bit balanced.

The matches where there are 127 to 0.

I like rugby,

but I also like it when it gets a bit rough

and when there is a real opposition.

And when you have the impression

of seeing 15 goal-goats playing

against 15 passers-by,

it's less funny.

The big difference between football and rugby

is that football, when a big team

takes against a small team,

they can play 11 in the cage

and hope for the magic counter.

In rugby, you can't play 15 behind

for 80 minutes,

so you have to attack.

But also, do you agree with me,

Flo? Look, for example,

Portugal, which is a small team,

which is super beautiful to have played.

When you see the game, who tries everything

and who comes to bother

more powerful teams playing like that,

and we saw him playing against France.

I like it when it's a little bit

tight, where you say to yourself

that exploration is possible,

even if on paper it's a team that has less

experience, it can happen.

And the goal was not so far

against France and the Portuguese

the same. There, yes, I like it

when it's a little bit tight.

When it's an open-door operation,

it's beautiful, you see beautiful tests.

You have the impression that the guys

could play with their eyes closed

walking, it would be the same.

You refer to the 96-0 of France

against Alain Amibi. Yes, for example.

But at the same time, it's more

the guys who needed to be reassured after

the rugby game, it's not possible.

I think that in fact, the little teams,

and we saw it with Lerugue, who gave everything

in front of us that we did their game,

which was beautiful to have played.

They didn't have the same blurs in front either.

We physically feel, look against Italy,

they have a half-time and still the Italians

are 13 against 15, but in the second half

the guys have exploded physically

over the length of the competition,

we feel that physically they are not ready

and they won't hold on.

What I regret a little, it's my side a little

everyone can play. So I like

to have the guy who does

165kg a meter 20, he still plays

rugby and then the guy who

does 1m80, 70kg

which is a rocket, which is a little

in the rugby family, I would like the big

art. And today,

we only have guys who are

sharp, we have the impression

that he could eat butter, it would still be

fit. But it's the professionalization

of this sport too.

Anthony Dupont measures 1m 74

so certainly he does

88kg but he does 1m 74

and no, it doesn't see

but in any case, that's it.

And look at the team from Japan,

they have a player who does 1m 69

and who does 1m 69

but I agree with you, the

guys are uniformized, now we are no longer

in the rugby of the 80s, 90s

or 70s or it would be

complicated by the way.

But we still have for example a Dulin

who is not a golgot

and who rarely sits

in a cup, it can still exist

so it's much, much more rare

it can still exist sometimes

and there are always people who are

possible. So let's imagine

and without opposing at all

the two sports which are two magnificent

sports, football and rugby

imagine, you are

president of FIFA, what would you

look for in rugby for example

that you would bring in football

and vice versa. We have a lot

of football to receive

from the way we already have arbitration.

It's a real pleasure in football, the non-respect

of the referee, in rugby there is that

basically, we don't touch the referee

we come to go near the referee

and there is a real respect for the function

which is also linked, I think, to the fact that

arbitration in rugby, in the end, it is

much more pedagogical. We have the impression

that there is a real exchange

that the referee explains

to the players why they are so wrong

then they can be wrong, they are human beings

I rest on the interpretation, but at least

there is this explanation and the same for arbitration

video, I find that what is very good in rugby

is that the referee will explain

including the players and the audience

why they are so wrong and at least like that

we know, we have the elements. In football, it's not at all the case

arbiters, at the moment, take a little

the players from above, which can also

generate forms of tension

in the relationships and the same on the

arbitration video which is really close to

interpretation in football, when you are at the stadium

it's not why there are players

from penalty to penalty, it would be enough to have

a small microphone and that the referee

will refuse penalty, there is no

wrong thing and like that, at least we agree

or not agree, but we know, we are holding them

in our hands, it's something on which

football really has a lot to learn

from rugby. Do you think

for example that it would be possible, like in rugby, for example

that there is only the captain who has the right

to speak to the referee?

Normally, it's the case in football. Yes, but what never happens

and on the other hand, do you think

that it would be possible, like in rugby, you know

when you make a decision, you turn

10 meters, that is to say a penalty

that is at 50 meters, all of a

sudden it is found at 40 meters, is that

in football, it would be possible, imagine

a covering at 35 meters

and then the guy is laughing

and he finds himself with a covering

at 25 meters, would that be possible

or would it be completely ...

It would not be extremely penalizing in football

compared to rugby, this notion of

gaining ground in rugby is much more important

than in football, because in football

on the other hand, you can gain 40 meters

which is not possible in rugby. No, on the other hand

there is another thing in rugby, it sends us

to the referee, what I find interesting is

the yellow card in rugby, the

temporary expulsion or the temporary exclusion

I think it's something that could

exist in football. In football, in the end

somewhere, when a team takes a red card

it is penalized

and the game after,

the player will not be able to play, so it

penalizes also the team, and I think

that the temporary exclusion is not bad, on some

occasions, the guy makes cuts, etc.

red card, I would say, there is no problem with that.

On the other hand, a fault, or even the anti-game

or even the guy who comes to go next to the referee

who has no right, the referee will

take you out 10 minutes, and that I think

it would allow to pacify

the relationship with the referee and to

restore respect, and it would

allow, on some mistakes, that the referee

you know, by the time they put the yellow,

they hesitate to put the red, so finally

this temporary exclusion could be

a sort of orange card, let's say, between

teams, for me, it is something that could be not bad.

Apart from the French team,

the team that scares you the most

on this competition, has faced

the French team.

Because we will have the two monsters for me

who are Ireland and South Africa

the Springboks, for me, the one

who scares me the most is South Africa

I think they are still the world champions

in terms of titles, they are

very impressive, very disciplined,

well, I don't see any flaws in this team,

Ireland, I think we can do it.

We lost in the destination tournament, we could

correct our mistakes.

That's it, and we are used to it, we know them

by heart, because we also face them

in the club, and finally, it's about the same base,

so while the Springboks, we don't play them

as much as that, and they are

I don't see any flaws in this team,

and I think that,

for them to fight, it would be an exploit,

more than to fight Ireland. So then, if

in addition, we lose, we lose, we lose the bridge,

there, for the moment, it would really be a

cut of the world, we wouldn't have stopped to say anything.

We will not lose the bridge, it will come

out, we will beat everyone, and we will

find the 28 October.

We won't be able to say it.

Because I have already seen this cut of the world,

I allow myself to say it.

You come from the future, we have passed the

very beautiful finale.

We had fun.

We had fun.

Flo.

After your first Ibis novel,

I think you come out a second one.

Yes.

So it's Broadway Vitas.

Yes.

It comes out on September 28.

Yes.

You tell us a little word.

It's a biographical novel, so it tells

the life of Vitas Guero Laitis,

a player from the 70s and 80s of tennis.

A guy from the Italian origin with a

absolutely incredible blonde hair

who was number three world,

but number one of the dance floor.

An incredible jet setter.

So he came at the same time

to have a very high level of tennis.

Okay.

So he was doing the dance with Borg,

Mackenro Connors.

Yes.

He was by the way friends with the three,

which was improbable because the three

hated each other, in any case,

they didn't hear each other very well.

And next to that,

he spent his life in the studio,

54.

He was friends with Mick Jagger,

Andy Warhol.

He was doing the party all the time.

And so this book tells the story

absolutely incredible of this guy who

died so accidentally at 40 years old,

so one of the stars.

Oh yeah.

It's crazy.

It was a bit like talking about the 5th Beatles.

He was a bit like the 5th Beatles

of tennis.

He came out unfortunately for him.

At the time,

you had three monsters.

Borg, Connors and Mackenro.

But it was a guy absolutely incredible.

Big seductor.

He had fun.

He had fun.

It happens.

And it shows the same.

What I told you earlier on rugby,

it shows me,

I played tennis when I was a child

and I met these guys there.

It was a time when it was another tennis

where actually,

we lost a bit of this

flamboyant panache

that I like in sports.

And this book tells that too.

And above all, it tells the life of this guy.

It's telling the first person.

So it's biographical because

everything that's in the book is true.

But it's romantic because I

imagined dialogues between Borg

and Guérolaetis,

between Warhol and Guérolaetis.

It's great.

I don't really have a tennis culture,

but you gave me the desire to read your book.

Really.

Well, it's not a book on tennis.

It's a story of two or three matches

because there are cult matches,

but it's really the life of this guy.

It's a personality.

Yeah, yeah, it's the life of this guy

who lived as much outside of the course

as on the court.

So Flo, we meet every morning

at 6.55.

Yeah.

For ta chronique.

Ah yeah, and for what information?

RTL, small morning.

That's it.

And we also find on the podcast,

on the site, on the application

and on the platforms.

The big heads,

with all the team,

and we love them,

our big heads,

I wouldn't say the opposite.

With the 10th season,

we're close to 10 years already.

That's it.

10 years already.

We're going to write a song for that.

We made an appointment in 10 years.

And we also find you in

We do the game again on RTL.

Saturday with Philippe Sanfourche.

And then now,

every day on a daily basis,

on a podcast, as you say.

On a podcast.

We learned that.

We do the game every day,

20 minutes,

a quarter of an hour,

20 minutes to debrief the act of football.

We mark the act of football

on the ass,

because it always moves,

it's always things.

We do a podcast on Monday

or Friday.

It's fresh food,

it's homemade,

we're on board.

Great.

We also find ourselves

on the team's channel,

where all the improbable sports,

they are for you.

A sport where you say it doesn't exist,

know that it exists,

and it's me who's commenting.

That's it.

And besides,

I encourage you to watch,

because even,

we still hang on.

I've already fallen on the bush.

In fact,

you find yourself watching

guys who cut things

unnecessary things.

There's not Corucbi

that we cut.

There's also a bush.

No, but it's a crazy thing.

And you keep hanging on.

You say,

but why do I watch that?

And in fact,

you don't manage to hit

like the strongest man in the world

that you do too, I think.

Exactly.

And the boxes know that.

But you know,

this thing,

actually,

when you offered me to do it,

I didn't know it,

obviously.

I've become a crook too.

In fact, I'm having fun

commenting,

because I really enjoy it.

And it's so,

it's so visual.

The bush,

I know the guys now.

I've been on compets.

And yeah,

it's sports.

It's really passionate sports.

And it's sports at the level.

It's really athletes,

guys.

Completely.

I don't get it.

We're not on the launch of the Spadrilles.

I mean,

the guys are Andrea.

No,

but it's the guys who do

muscle,

diet,

who train.

It's almost semi-pro,

so it's not funny.

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and by going into the icon, we do the RTL sport again.

It seems complicated, but it's very, very simple.

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