Between Two Beers Podcast: Dean Lonergan: Losing it ALL & Rebuilding, Duco Events, Jeff Horn vs Manny Pacquiao, and more!

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Auf dem Video zwischen zwei Bären haben wir mit Dean Lonegan gesprochen.

Dean ist eines der größten und besten Events Promotoren in New Zealand.

Er hat die Art von Verzweifelung, den morgigen Piraten auf Radio Hoedecki,

den Kampf für Leben, die Familie und die Farbe.

Das war eine super engagierte und entertainierte Chat.

Dean hat eine ganze Zeit geleistet und hat einen endlosen Wettbewerb von den größten Names in New Zealand und Aussie.

Schauen Sie auf iHeart, werdet ihr Podcast aus, oder seht das Video auf YouTube.

Und folgt uns auf Instagram und TikTok, wo wir alle die besten Videoklips von jeder Ebene verabschieden.

Dieses Video wurde von der Export-Beer-Garten-Studio gebracht.

Viel Spaß!

Und wir sehen, wie es geht.

Schönes Mann, ich liebe es.

Wir sind sehr gespannt, dass ihr in der Export-Beer-Garten-Studio seid. Wir wollen starten.

Nein, das ist eigentlich wirklich gut.

Hier geht es.

Ich erzähle euch, was ich mag. Das ist ein DB Export Citrus.

Ja.

Das ist ein Zero-Beer wieder.

Irgendwas in den Fridgen.

Aber es schmeckt so wie das alte Wettbewerb von Lemon. Ich liebe das.

Und ich muss sagen, das ist wirklich gut für ein Zero.

Hier geht es. Ich liebe das, Dean.

Ich habe das nie gesehen. Wir haben das nie gesehen.

140 Episodes.

Die Gäste reichen über und sagen, fuck, ich habe ein bisschen davon, eigentlich.

Schön.

Hey, ein starkes Start.

Wir wollten starten, um zu sprechen mit Mirimotu.

Wir haben jetzt 140 Episodes gemacht.

Wir haben oft gefragt, was ist dein Favorit?

Und ich habe immer gesagt, Mia.

Seine Geschichte war so aufregend und aufregend und inspirativ.

Ich habe mich gefragt, ob ihr mit ihr über die letzten,

ich glaube, ein paar Monate, vielleicht seit der letzten Welt-Titel-Fight,

die sie gewonnen hat und die Fight kommen zu.

Sie ist eine sehr berühmte Frau.

Die Grund, warum wir sie gewonnen haben, war mein Sohn, Liam.

Und er hat ein viel besserer Verständnis als ich.

Ich sehe es aus einer berühmten, ich verstehe es ein wenig,

aber er kommt wirklich zu uns.

Und er sagt, Vater, das ist die Art des Sportes.

Wir müssen uns in das tun.

Und mehr importantly, ich glaube, Mirimotu ist etwas ganz Besonderes,

in den Fallen, wie sie kämpfen können.

So haben wir sie gewonnen.

Und was ist ausgedrückt, ist, dass wir uns selbst

ein bisschen über die Fahre geholfen haben.

Und sie hat eine sehr, sehr verschiedene Geschichte zu erzählen.

Ich glaube, sie erzählt es sehr gut.

Ich glaube, sie ist unglaublich intelligent.

Aber sie kommt durch sehr fokussierende und zu Hause.

Und sie ist wirklich eine sehr gute Person.

Sie hat vier, fünf Kinder, ich glaube,

eine von ihnen spielt Bulls für New Zealand.

Ich glaube, von dem ich verstehen kann, ist sie eine wahre Mutter.

Sie ist aus ihrer persönlichen Situation gewechselt.

Und sie ist auf die Fight for Life.

Ich glaube, wenn du dich zurückkommst, dann sind sie wahrscheinlich 4, 6 Jahre alt.

Und ich weiß nicht, ob ich das nicht sagen sollte.

Aber sie war wahrscheinlich auf der Social Welfare 4, 6 Monate ago.

Jetzt, sie hat natürlich eine Boxing-Karriere vor sie.

Sie spricht in Engagements.

Sie geht sehr gut aus.

Sie hat Jobs mit zwei verschiedenen Organisationen.

Einer ist Mike King's I Am Hope,

die geht in die Schulen und spricht über Dinge, die sie erzählt.

Und sie wird auch mit Menschen bauen.

Einer der Sponsoren der Fight for Life,

die sie in Wohnten engagieren wollen.

Und also, ihre Leben von dem, was ich sehe,

hat geändert.

Und wie alle Menschen, die Wohnten-Welt-Titeln gewinnen,

und wir haben mit einem Mann, Jeff Horne,

Gio Batyre und Joseph Parker gesehen,

wenn du zu diesem Level gehst,

deine Leben geht auf schnell forward.

Denn es ist immer so viel zu tun, oder?

Also, letzte Woche hatte ich es mir gebeten,

weil wir eine Fight auf Fongaray haben.

Wir arbeiten auf den Date für Dezember 2,

wo wir eine Wohnten-Welt-Titel-Fight haben,

mit Miyamoto, der IBO Superbannerweight Champion

und also Lani Daniels,

der eine andere, wunderschöne Frau von Norden,

die von Nardiwa in Fongaray, oder in der Region.

Wir schauen uns auf eine Wohnten-Welt-Titel-Fight auf.

Und so habe ich sie zu ihrer IWI,

auf dem Weg nach Norden und Kaitaya,

und wir hatten einen tollen, wir riefen nach Hause,

das ist eine 4,5-Hälfte, wir hatten eine gute,

sie war wunderschön in den Meetungen,

wie sie mit den Leuten berichten.

Es ist fantastisch, wir hatten eine Lafe

und eine Giggle auf dem Weg nach Hause.

Und ich habe viel Zeit,

um viel zu verstehen,

weil wenn du einen Fighter promoterst,

ich sitze nicht auf dem Chat mit ihnen jeden Tag.

Sie machen ihre Sachen, ich mache meine Sachen,

und die Jobs sind so radically anders.

So, ja, ich denke, in mir,

ich denke, New Zealand,

nicht nur uns als Boxing-Promoter,

ich denke, New Zealand Sport

hat einen absolut negativen Gold

im Hinblick auf die Verwaltung,

die Fokussung, die Adversität,

die die Jungs haben,

sie haben die Geschichte aus ihrem Hintergrund,

es ist sehr hart, sehr unterschiedlich und schwierig.

Aber hier ist sie, mit einer tollen Familie,

sie hat eine Mutter und eine Schwester mit sie,

sie ist einfach bereit,

in eine brandneue Haus zu gehen,

das war warm und dräumig,

sie hatte Probleme über die letzten 3, 4, 5 Monate,

weil sie lebt in Westen,

und die Haus war fluttert.

Und als Result, wo sie ständig lebt,

sie macht den Platz immaculär,

weil sie flutzt,

es gibt eine ganze Menge Muldern und Spuren,

sie hat Asthma-Aktionen,

und sie ist nicht so gesund,

sie bewegt sich in eine neue Haus,

sie hat eine ganze Menge guter Dinge,

die sie so deserve,

und es ist ein Privileg für uns,

als Teil der Journey,

weil all das, was wir tun,

ist die Plattform,

und sie potenziell

finden Möglichkeiten für sie,

dass ihre jüngste Coach-Management

so hart und hart wie sie,

wie sie ihre Leben beantragen,

sie ist so busy trainieren hier,

und sie hat viel neue Dinge zu tun,

und Lena und Isaac Peachter

sind wirklich unglaublich.

Was sie tun,

West Auckland und die Peacht Boxing Gym

ist sehr wunderschön.

Nicht nur aus einem Sport- und Performance-Punkt,

sondern auch aus einem liveen Punkt.

Und so was sie mit mir tun,

ist sehr unglaublich.

Es ist ein Privileg für sie,

es war Liam, wie ich gesagt,

das war seine Idee,

um sie zu beantworten.

Und als Result hier sind wir

ein interessantes und unterschiedliches Juni,

das ich nie gedacht hätte,

wenn es um Boxing und Promotion kommt,

wie wir es traditionell mit den Männern gemacht haben.

Wir haben Jeff Horne,

Joe Parker war unsere erste Welt-Champion,

WBO-Welt-Heavyweight-Champion,

dann haben wir Jeff Horne,

der die Welt titleig ist,

Manni Pachy,

für eine 51.000er im Sun Corp Stadium,

und das war ziemlich berühmte.

Dann haben wir Jaya Bhattaya,

der einen Cruiserweight,

der vor einem Jahr berühmten hat,

wo er den Mann, Marius Bredus,

der eine der größten Männern

in Boxing und Vollstopp hat.

Bredus in Rund 2,

Jaya Bredus in Rund 1,

Bredus in Rund 10,

Jaya Bredus in Rund 10,

auf der anderen Seite.

Und Jaya hat die Fahne,

die Fahne vorbeiziehen,

die Fahne, die Jaya Bredus in Rund 1,

die Jaya Bredus in Rund 1,

die Jaya Bredus in Rund 1,

das ist nicht der schwerste Mann,

ich habe ihn in meiner gesamten Welt gesehen.

Und ich denke, er könnte remarkable Dinge machen.

Und dann gehen wir zu Mia,

der hat diesen sehr schweren Hintergrund.

Und ich muss dir sagen,

alle Boxen,

egal wer sie sind,

sie haben eine sehr verschiedene Geschichte zu sagen,

weil es nicht normal ist,

in meiner Meinung zu ein Boxing-Ring,

um jemanden zu dominieren,

jemanden, der physisch so schwer ist wie du.

Und ich weiß, in der Rugby-Liga,

in der Rugby-Union und Sport,

wie das,

es gibt eine Physikalität zu es,

aber es ist nichts wie Boxing,

weil du bist eigentlich da,

um die andere Person zu knüpfen.

Und also, du musst mit etwas Besonderes

oder etwas anderes,

was das betrifft.

Und in Mia, in particulär,

sie hat einen sehr, sehr schweren Hintergrund.

Und ich weiß nicht,

dass sie ihre Hintergrund,

wie gut sie ist,

und mental schwer wie ein Boxer.

Ich habe sie auch gesagt.

Ich habe zu Isaac gesprochen,

in der Lead-up zu unserer letzten Interview.

Und er hat gesagt,

er mag nicht,

wenn die Leute kritisieren,

was mit ihm passiert.

Ich kann das verstehen.

Er hat gesagt,

dass sie nur ein Welt-Titel sind,

sie hätte ein Welt-Titel werden können,

wenn nicht für das.

Und wir hatten sie auf.

Und am Ende des Videos,

es war wirklich überwaltig.

Seine Geschichte ist so großartig.

Und ich habe das Video,

dass ich denke,

sie wird ein absoluter Superstar sein.

Wenn mehr Leute das Geschichte hören,

wie wenn das rausgeht

und sie weiter gewinnt,

und ihre Tradition wird weiter gewinnt,

sie wird dieses Land gewinnt.

Und dann war ich in der Bedeutung.

Wir haben die Woche aufgenommen,

und dann kam ich an die Bedeutung

auf der Freitagabend.

Ich glaube, es war.

Und die Energie in diesem Raum,

wenn sie rausgekommen ist,

es war so wie die Emotion.

Es war so,

dass alle zusammengekommen waren.

Sie wussten, was sie durchgekommen war.

Sie wussten, wie wichtig das war zu ihr.

Und wenn sie gewinnt,

ich habe mich auf die Table geguckt.

Und alle hatten die Teile in ihren Augen.

Alle waren auf diesem Weg zusammen.

Es war eine sehr bemerkliche Szene.

Nein, es war so.

Und ich glaube,

ich glaube,

sie ist etwas, was die New Zealand Society

überwacht,

was sie als Boxer macht.

Aber das ist ihre Reise,

und für sie,

hat sie das gemacht.

Und wenn sie das Reise,

das Reise,

mit dem Land,

das ist eine wundervolle Sache,

und wenn sie sich nicht zu tun,

weil sie es zu schrecklich findet,

ist das völlig auf sie.

Und der einzige,

der die Entscheidung hat,

ob eine Geschichte in der Vergangenheit

hat, hat sie zu tun,

das ist für sie,

die Determination zu machen,

und niemand andere.

Du weißt,

es ist einfach ein interessantes Reise.

Und dann haben wir den liebsten Lani Daniels,

der IBF World Heavyweight Champion,

und Lani ist in ihrem eigenen Recht,

ist etwas, was ganz bemerkbar ist.

Und ich werde dir etwas sagen,

was ich wahrscheinlich nicht supposed zu sagen.

Aber sie war aber auf eine sehr leichte Notiz,

ca. ein Monat,

vielleicht sechs Wochen,

wir werden uns über die Double Heater Fight,

die wir auf August 26 kommen.

Lani, ich glaube,

war ein Reservator

für die britische Version

der SAS-Programme.

Ich weiß nicht, ob ihr es gesehen habt.

Oh, ja.

Aber aus der Blüte,

oder?

Sie wird in der letzten Minute

in dieser Sache,

die in Queenstown geflogen ist.

Und ich glaube, es geht auf Channel 5,

das bedeutet, es wird ein Publikum

von Millionen in der UK sein.

Und es ist ein freier Produkt.

So Lani geht es auf.

Und sie ist ein von 16,

und es gibt alle so famous Menschen

aus der UK,

und sie weiß nicht,

wer sie sind.

Aber sie geht alles durch

zum letzten 3.

Und das ist so,

sie haben keinen absoluten Winner.

Aber die Sachen,

sie hat mir gesagt,

was sie durchgehen musste.

Und sie hat nicht alles gedacht.

Und alle diese anderen YouTubern,

die famous Menschen und Athleten

sind alle nach rechts und center geflogen.

Mit Podcastern und so.

Und sie ist einfach

milder auf den Kinn gefahren.

Also,

ich glaube, in Lani,

wir haben auch jemanden,

der sehr komisch ist.

Und strangely enough,

sie kommt von Norden.

Also, ich bin aus der Farbe Norden,

in Kaitaia.

Und Lani ist aus

Fongaray.

Oder aus Fongaray.

Also,

ja, es ist ein

einfach Faszinierter.

Du hast diese Bastions von Exzellenzen

aus der Farbe rausgekommen.

Und also,

ich bin so stolz,

dass ich sie da hochkomme.

Total.

Auf einem Stadion.

Und hoffentlich können wir alle

die Dinge gemacht werden,

um dort zu gehen.

Weil, wenn du

die Firma, die wir haben,

und du hast

diese Events geholt,

und du bringst in die Nationale Opponente.

Und du musst Nationalmedien machen.

Es ist nicht wertvoll zu machen.

Also, wir müssen alles zusammen machen.

Aber ich glaube,

wenn wir uns verpacken können,

und wenn wir

die Medien engagieren,

was ich glaube, wir haben,

besonders bei Mir,

aber wir müssen weiter.

Ich glaube,

diese Frau hat etwas Wichtiges,

um diese Lande zu offerieren.

Und sie sind nicht,

ich erinnere dich,

und du hast es schon gefunden.

Du hast Rageby-Player hier,

du hast Rageby-League-Player,

die im Moment sind,

die sind jetzt sanatisiert.

Einmal,

die League, die gesagt haben,

das war wirklich interessant und anders,

und sie haben viel Spaß.

Und sie haben immer viel Spaß.

Aber

zu einem großen Dikt,

weil die Corporatisation

und die Sport sind,

sie sagen nichts,

was sie mehr interessiert haben.

Weißt du was ich meine?

Das ist mir.

Das ist die Realität.

Du musst nicht auf Daniel Carter

kommen und sagen,

wie viele,

wie viele,

die ewigsten Dinge,

die er früher

Sie sagen, dass es eine starke Scheiße langweilt,

und sie sagen, dass es eine sehr leichte Scheiße langweilt.

Und das ist das, was es macht.

Die Leute bieten Personalität.

Wenn du in einem Sporting-Event gehst,

in einem perfekten Weltstil,

fühlst du dich als Person in der Relationschaft.

Und das Ding bei Boxing,

als opposed zu der FIFA World Cup,

die es jetzt gibt,

die Rugby World Cup, die kommt,

du hast 600 oder 700 Leute

in den Sieg oder 700 andere Names gespielt.

Und das einzige, was du dir wirklich erkennen kannst,

ist die Jungen, die dort stattfinden.

In Boxing gibt es eine Person oder zwei Leute.

Das ist es.

Und wenn du die Stoffe hörst,

wenn du startest, als Person zu liken,

das ist, wenn die ganze Sache explodiert,

weil du emotional engagiert bist.

Und das ist der Grund,

warum du für eine leichte Scheiße so erfolgreich warst,

für so viele Jahre,

ist, dass du nicht auf die ganzen Boxen,

die du nicht wusst, in den Ring zu kämpfen,

sondern noch viele Leute oder Jungen,

die du kennst.

Du weißt was ich meine?

Und du hast es in der Person,

weil du sie liebst oder nicht liebst,

und du willst sie nicht bieten,

oder du willst sie nicht bieten,

und das ist,

und das ist, was wir tun,

als Promoters,

ist, um ihre Personalität zu bekommen.

Wenn wir die Plattform verlassen,

ist es für sie zu empfehlen.

Und die größte, die sie bekommen,

ist wirklich einfach.

Die Medien in diesem Spiel

sind Geld.

Und die größte Medien, die sie bekommen,

die größte Geld, die sie werden bezahlt,

und die größte Geld, die sie generieren.

Wir werden gleich wieder nach diesem

Schattenbrechen.

Du hast gesagt, Flight for Life.

Ich bin bereit, das zu sprechen,

weil es für viele Jahre,

wenn du in Australien gehst,

du bist zurück,

und es ist so ein großer Erfolg,

die ich auf die Nacht war.

Ist das, sind wir zurück?

Sind wir wieder zurück zu einem annualen...

Wir, Leon und ich,

wir sind wieder zurück,

wir haben einen Kontrakt in Australien,

mit Fox Sports,

und wir hatten es,

ich glaube,

für rund sieben Jahre.

Und,

unfortunately, wir haben es verloren.

Und wir haben hier zurückgekommen.

Und ich muss dir sagen,

ich genieße mich wirklich,

nach Hause,

weil Australien ist ein sehr...

Es ist ein tollen Ort,

um dich zu haben.

Es ist ein sehr, sehr schwerer Ort,

um Geschäft zu machen.

Und,

wenn du von Hause weg bist,

für einen langen Zeit,

wir gingen durch Covid

und all das,

was ich nicht gedacht habe,

war so viel zu viel.

Du bist zu Hause,

ich warst Game of Thrones in einer Woche.

Du weißt,

ich genieße mich jeden Tag,

ich warst Game of Thrones.

Und dann...

Und Positives.

Und wie alle Unternehmen,

wir hatten Subzitzen,

weil niemand arbeiten konnte,

in der Industrie,

wir konnten nichts machen.

Und,

wir waren da,

und wir haben sieben Jahre gemacht.

Aber ich genieße mich wirklich,

nach Hause zu kommen.

Und als wir nach Hause gekommen sind,

war es so,

was machen wir?

Weil,

wir hätten uns in Australien,

auf eine aufregende Basis,

und wir hatten ein paar Leute,

ich denke, die waren Superstars in der Welt,

die in einem Boxen waren,

die called Justice Hooney,

der war sehr schwer.

Und,

der andere ist ein Mann,

der called Jai Apataya.

Jetzt bin ich,

unfortunately,

durch...

Wir,

unfortunately,

durch einen Korkbattel mit Jai,

weil er hat...

Wir haben viel Geld,

um ihn zu bekommen,

wo er zugemacht wurde,

die Plattform,

er hat viel Geld verloren

in seinem Welt-Titel-Fight,

mit einem Jahr und ein halben Zeit,

auf seinem Kontrakt,

sein Sider-Dial,

ich gehe nur irgendwo anders.

Und,

unfortunately,

das ist nicht so, wie es funktioniert.

Er hat...

Er hat wirklich

bad Advices von seinem Management,

der, ich denke,

ein komplett Cocksuck ist,

aber das ist nur so, wie es funktioniert.

Jai ist eigentlich ein liebster,

junger Mann,

der in Australien ist.

Aber diese sind die Dinge,

ich will nicht das machen,

ich will nur auf die Sportung

und haben Spaß,

was wir machen,

aber es ist für mich

ein sehr großes Erlebnis,

und ich bin in der Arsch

ein paar times in Australien,

bei was ich finde...

Sie widerspielen auf eine aufregende Basis,

in meiner Meinung,

und diese Leute,

vor allem,

vielleicht auch in New South Wales,

sie widerspielen ihre kriminalen

aufregende Basis.

Wobei, wir waren hier,

über hier,

propagiert von Presbyterien-Ministers,

und ich denke, wir gehen über die Erde,

wir gehen über die Erde,

mit unseren Augen wide open,

und ich denke,

das ist das große Zeitpunkt,

und wie wir gehen,

ist es eigentlich ein sehr,

sehr schwerer Markt.

Sie sind sehr brutal,

in der Weise,

dass sie Business machen.

Ich denke,

sie sind schwerer in New South Wales,

besonders als anywhere else.

Es ist einfach,

es ist ein faszinierter Ort,

um Business zu gehen.

Und ich habe mit Menschen,

die

literally billionaires,

oder?

Und sie sprechen über Australia,

die schwierigste,

ich spreche über Amerika,

ich spreche über Business in China,

ich spreche über Business in der UK,

aber sie sprechen über Australia,

die schwierigste,

um Business zu gehen.

Ja.

Was haben Sie von Australien gelernt,

die Sie hier in New Zealand gebracht haben?

Die Kultur,

die Business-Kultur,

in meiner Meinung,

ist sehr anders.

Queenslandern, in meiner Meinung,

sind sehr nahe zu,

was wir sind.

Wobei, New South Wales ist sehr schwer,

viel mehr Kusswerke,

du weißt,

und was habe ich gelernt?

Ich bin noch nicht ganz sicher.

All das, was ich wissen will,

ist,

dass es sehr...

Es ist schwer,

eine Lebenszeit,

in der du lebst.

Also,

wenn wir in Australien sind,

du bist gegen die Menschen,

die deine Konpetenzen sind,

die alle ihre Lebens sind,

und diese Routen gehen tief,

mit jedem,

den sie mitbekommen,

weil sie alle jemanden kennen,

aus der Schule,

oder sie haben mit ihnen

aufgeräumt.

Wobei, in New Zealand,

ich habe das gleiche Vorteil hier,

wie ich,

ich weiß,

in Positionen der Power jetzt,

weil,

als du älterst,

das war...

Lass Positionen der Power,

Senior Positionen.

Und du weißt,

sie wissen dich,

und es ist viel leichter,

in Kusswerke zu gehen,

und einfach reinkönnen

mit dieser Basis.

Du weißt, es hat mir Zeit gegeben,

und es hat mir Zeit gegeben,

um meine Hände zu bekommen,

nach Hause zu kommen,

und etwas anders zu machen.

Du weißt,

und das ist nur ein Teil des Traumens.

Ich muss dir sagen,

ich genieße es wirklich,

und das absolute Highlight

ist, mit meinem Sohn, Liam zu machen.

Er ist

unglaublich intelligent

und

hat viel zu tun,

also,

als Vater,

macht er, wie gut es ist,

dass du dich jüngst,

für alle Tage zu sehen.

Liam ist in unserem Leben,

wir gehen oft mit Familie und Freunden,

um ein paar Langen zu bekommen.

Er hat uns ein paar Bits gegeben,

wir werden es bald bekommen.

Ich wollte,

ich meine, du hast

so eine unglaublich vaste Karriere,

die verschiedene Dinge

und verschiedene Jobs promoten,

aber ich wollte,

dass wir einen

Fights of the Century,

Tour vs Cameron,

die Fights waren organisiert,

und du hast Bordern,

für die Promotionen zu machen.

Jetzt, in den,

was es seit 30 Jahren ist,

ist es ein besserer,

pre-Fight-Bilder,

als wenn David Tull auf Hause war

und er gesagt hat,

ich bin wirklich gut zu dir.

Nein, das war so gut, wie er es hatte.

Und ich erzähle dir,

wer das Genieße hinter dem war,

war der current Chairman der Warrer,

Kenny Rainsfield.

Echt?

Kenny war der Manager,

Trainer von Shane Cameron

und Promotor an Zeiten.

Und Kenny hatte nicht

das Standejob mit Shane,

um ihn zu werden, wo er ihn auch hat.

Und das Bild auf dem Genieße,

das war Tour vs Cameron.

Aber David auf der TV,

es war Kenny,

der gesagt hat,

das ist eine rote Sache,

die langsame Art

und Risse kommt.

Es war so, dass er

ein bisschen Licht hatte,

auf einem Skull,

auf einem Pin,

das war ein Licht.

Und er sagte,

David Ture,

es wird, wenn er Licht hat.

Das ist alright.

Und ich remember,

wenn ich mir gesehen habe,

Kenny,

du hast einfach die Rüfe

durch die Rüfe geblieben.

Und dann,

und wenn David,

ich glaube, es war auf Paul Holmes,

er, ich erinnere,

sort of clicking his neck

auf diese Seite,

und du kannst dir sagen,

er war so angreif,

weil es all das Zeit,

dass er ein Boxer war,

weil er normalerweise

respektiert war,

enormes Respekt in Amerika.

Und er hat die meisten

seiner Karriere gespielt,

aber um zu kommen,

um mit diesem,

von dem,

was er gesehen hätte,

nicht auf seinem Level,

und er hat es gezeigt.

Und ich glaube,

eine der grösseren

Fragitäten

von New Zealand Sport und Boxing

ist, dass David Ture

nie geteilt hat,

Mike Tyson

oder Evander Holyfield.

Wie dachtet er,

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wie dacht er,

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wie dacht er,

wie dacht er ,

und er war ein absoluter Beast, und hatte er Tyson gefordert und Holyfield gefordert?

Er würde als einer der alltage Grats sein, weil er, in meiner Meinung nach,

die beiden rauskommt, weil sie eigentlich dort stehen und kämpfen.

Und das ist das Wichtigste, was David Tuer, aka Shane Cameron, macht.

Ja, weil er die Lennox-Lewis hatte gefordert, aber er hat die Hälfte gefordert.

Die Lennox-Lewis ist eine der alltage Gratis.

Und es ist 6'6 Uhr.

Ich ging und sah das Spiel in Vegas.

Also, da sind zwei Versen Lewis.

Und ich ging und sah Lewis den Tag vor, oder zwei Tage vor,

in der actualen Boxenring in der Arena.

Und sie stürzten ihn raus, wo er seine Arme hinter ihm zurückpullte.

Ich habe nie jemanden gesehen, mit Arme so lange wie das.

Es war so wie ein Albatross.

Und es war so, Lewis war ein super Boxer,

der damals wusste, er hatte eine Suspektion.

Und alles, was er gemacht hat, war David im Bay,

und David konnte nicht innen.

Es ist ein old-out-Edge, dass Stiles fressen, oder?

Und das ist leider nicht ein tolles Spiel.

Es war nicht ein tolles Spiel für David Tuer.

Aber Hattier fressen die anderen zwei.

Aber das ist einfach, und ich bin sicher,

mit der Bedeutung der Zeit und der Hintergrund

ist das eine wunderbare Sache, weil es 2020 ist.

Sie gehen zurück in die Zeit für Tuer,

sorry, die Zeit für Tyson.

Ich glaube, die Grund, warum sie Tyson wollen,

ist Tyson neu.

Und auch, ich glaube nicht, dass Kev Berry

damals mit Tyson Managerin, Shelley Finkel,

und dann auf der Flussseite des Koins.

Kev, David war von Dover,

und Holyfield war von Dover.

Der 2. David Lest, Dover,

und ging zu Gussin oder Amerika,

die Entscheidung war,

dass Mabel Tuer nie gegen Holyfield kämpft.

Das ist das Teil des Spiels,

das niemand außer dem Spiel wirklich versteht,

ist das Ausdruckung und wie es funktioniert.

Weil wenn du in dem gleichen Camp bist,

wenn du mit Holyfield und Tuer in Dover bist,

dann wirst du auch gewonnen.

Also, wenn du einen Promotional-Kontrakt

mit beiden Freunden hast

und Holyfield ging auf, zu Tyson zu kämpfen,

imagine, dass nach Holyfield

mit Tyson zu kämpfen, dann war es Tuer.

Und wenn du mit Gussin kämpftest,

dann willst du, ich will das Spiel zu kämpfen,

denn whoever gewinnt, wir gewinnen.

Es ist nicht Rocket Science,

aber ich bin sicher,

dass es sich mit allen anderen

mit der Bedeutung von Heimzeit

und es ist nur der Weg.

Wie war das bei Pete Tuer gegen Pete Joseph?

Ja, das ist das Vergleich,

das jetzt zu machen.

Also, ich werde nicht auf das kommentieren.

Ich war gefragt,

viele Jahre lang,

und ich habe gesagt,

warum würdest du die beiden

two good looking South Auckland Boys

in the ring zusammen machen?

Nein, ich denke,

das wäre ein unglaubliches Spiel,

aber ich habe keine Ahnung,

denn sie sind beide sehr unterschiedlich

und sind both great people.

Stylistisch,

würde das ein guter Spiel machen?

Joseph ist nicht gefeiert,

zu engagieren,

und er mag zu kämpfen,

und er mag die Leute,

die vor sich kommen,

und er fährt nicht weg.

Also, ich denke,

es wäre ein dickes Krieg,

zu ehrlich zu sein.

Es wäre ein tolles Spiel.

Und Joseph hat ein unglaubliches Spiel,

wie David Tuer.

Also,

ich habe keine Ahnung,

wie das geht,

aber ich denke,

es wäre ein tolles Spiel.

Bevor wir weitergehen,

kann ich einfach zurückführen,

um für eine Sekunde zu kämpfen

und auf eine Nische zu holen,

die ist, wenn du für

mein former P.E.-Teacher,

Buck Anderson,

wirklich?

Buck war ein guter Mann.

Er war mein P.E.-Teacher.

Er war mein P.E.-Teacher,

auch ein guter Mann.

Ja, stylistisch,

ich kann nicht genau erinnern,

wie das Spiel ging.

Aber wie war die Erfahrung?

Es war interessant,

weil, wenn du

promoted bist,

ich hatte nicht zu viele

Boxing-Events,

also hat Kevin Barry

auf ein David Tuer-Fight

in den ersten 90ern,

ich glaube,

und es kam

um,

oh, das ist richtig,

ein Mann von mir,

Peter Speer,

er war in der NZME,

in einer anderen Literatur,

er war ein

Sailsrep,

und er hatte keine

Insurrenz

auf seinem Haus,

also habe ich zusammen

ein paar Manns,

und wir haben ein

Fight-Night,

wo

meine Mann-League-Manns

Forts,

Bero-Fight-Aunen,

auch,

wir haben 50.000,

um einen neuen Haus zu bauen,

und ich war

flotend auf Air,

wie das ist,

das ist eines der besten

Dinge,

die ich ever gemacht habe.

Und dann

hat ein Charity-Mann,

Marco Marinković,

der auf Yellow Ribbon war,

gesagt,

Mann,

würdest du für uns machen,

und ich dachte,

wir hätten

ein paar

High-Profile-Regal-League-Manns,

High-Profile-Regal-Union-Regal-Manns

in den Ring

und versuchen,

zu erhöhen,

ein Million Bucks.

Und

ich weiß,

dass wir es zusammen

zusammen haben,

und Leute wie,

ich glaube,

es war Warren Gatlin,

Gatlin,

ich war nicht Gatlin,

ich kann es nicht,

ich kann es nicht,

aber ich habe es

über Bucke Anderson gesprochen,

und ich habe

Media-Artikel,

wo Bucke

über ihn spricht,

wo ich auf dem Phone

bin,

und er hat es geschafft,

zu verstehen,

zu kämpfen.

Er sagte,

ja,

ich bin da.

Und Bucke war

ein wirklich nice

Mann,

und ich habe ihn

ein paar Mal

gesehen,

und ich habe es gesehen,

und ich bin nicht sehr

glücklich,

wie ich es war,

weil ich

ein bisschen

einen Gopffall

hatte,

und das war nicht

wirklich,

was das ganze

war.

Und wir hatten

Legends,

wir hatten

Mark Graham

und Bucke Shelford

und Mark

Bornville und Steve McDowell,

war der,

der ich erinnere,

und Bornville

kam aus.

Ja,

Hors

war immer

ein Kuss-Snaker,

und er

ließ das alles machen.

Ich erinnere

John Ackland,

der

Warrer

für ein while

war,

als Assistent-Coach,

er sagte,

Ruggby Union

und Ruggby League,

wir waren immer

als 2.-Klasse-Stitut,

immer als 2.-Klasse-Stitut,

und das hat jetzt

verändert,

weil der Warrer

und die NRL gehen.

Ackland sagte mir,

ja,

this is a great idea,

but don't fucking lose.

So,

for us Leagues,

it was actually quite a big deal,

you know.

I remember Steve McDowell

was like a judo-Champ

or something like that as well,

and Bornville just

flew out

and was just throwing him.

Yeah,

Hors was always mad,

Mal was sensational,

you know,

up against

Kevin Borowicz.

You know,

so yeah,

it was a lot of fun back then,

I think the first time around,

we raised about

half a million bucks

for the Yellow Ribbon Charity

and then,

but it was

interesting,

because

I didn't get the same buzz

out of that

because we didn't hit

the million dollars

that I got out of doing one

for me mate,

you know,

but the one I did for me mate

is like,

it was just an incredible feeling,

you know,

you walk for a month,

you're walking around on air,

it was just,

it was just awesome,

a lot of fun.

What is it about fight sports

that attracts

fundraising activities?

I don't know,

like I think,

I think

after the fight for life,

it was on free to wear TV,

a lot of people thought,

it was a good idea,

and they've run

quite a few of them

and it's become

quite a staple

of New Zealand fundraising

for quite some fun.

Fighting and laughing,

is it Red N' Dose Day

or Fight for Life

are the two things

that seem to raise the most money?

Extremes.

It's not,

but then again,

you've got the genius

of Mike King has come through

and who would have thought

you could make

five or six million dollars

off wearing gumboots?

Yeah.

You know,

what Mike's done

is incredible,

so I think that's

far surpassed

anything we ever did

with Fight for Life

but yeah,

Mike's doing God's work

out there

and actually,

me and Matu

has hooked up

with Mike's charity

and she's now presenting

in schools on behalf

of Iron Hope,

which is fantastic,

but yeah,

I can't speak highly enough

of the work that Mike's done

and what he's managed

to achieve.

You know,

I remember years back

when his mates

went out to a bloody cage,

remember Pigs and Cages?

They were releasing Pigs

and Cages

years and years ago,

you know,

so Mike's had this

community thing going on

for some time

and the sheer amount of money

he has to raise

to keep this thing going

and I think

he's actually doing

something significant

because fundamentally

what they do with Iron Hope

is to get enough money

to give to psychologists

to get kids from the age

I think of 15

through to 25

to get in and talk

about their problems

and that's the

single best thing

I think you can do

for the mental health of people

is to put them

in front of someone trusted,

someone experienced

and you can talk

about your problems,

you know,

and for a lot of people

that's very, very hard to do

Mike's doing great work.

How we got to Mike King

I don't know,

and by the way,

Mike was at the very first

fight night that we had

with my mate Peter Speer.

He was ring,

him and Martin Devlin were ring side

and we had a, you know,

the association and he went

to the same high school I went to,

Massey High.

So the association's been there

for a very long time

and just it's amazing

how people cross over

in your life.

Yeah, I want to start

chatting the path.

I'm going to take us

in a slightly different direction.

We're going to talk about

rugby league and stuff later

but I want to get on

and on mid-20s, Dean,

because it seems

you're running a pretty

interesting operation.

You're doing breakfast

radio at Hoedackey.

You had a stint doing

sponsorship and marketing

with the Warriors.

You're running events

on the side.

Like, quite a lot

for a sort of a 26-year-old.

But I want to start talking

about the morning pirates.

How did you get involved

into the media scene?

It was just luck,

you know, like,

the CEO of Radio Harrick,

he was a bit of a league fan.

A guy called Dan Boyle.

And the Kiwis,

Radio Harrick,

he'd had me on a couple

of times

because a lot of the Kiwis

were playing overseas.

I was one of the few

playing at home.

And I got involved

in an incident

where I got knocked out

in a test match in 91

down in Melbourne.

And it became,

at that time,

the media scene

was a lot different.

We had like 25%

in New Zealand watching that

on TV3 at the time.

I remember,

I watched it myself live,

playing friend, what a game.

Yeah.

And we won.

We beat the Australian

for the first time in a long

time.

I got knocked out.

And for whatever reason,

I can't remember,

there's a thing called

the morning pirates

where you had Phil Gifford,

Mark Perry,

and I think Susie.

And Susie and Mark Perry,

Susie and Phil Gifford

got poached to go down

in Christchurch.

And there's,

and this is just after this

had happened

and they brought me in

for a week.

And a week turned into a month.

A month turned into six years.

Realised you had the gift

of the game?

Well,

I don't know if I did

or it didn't,

but the one thing

guys would know this,

right?

Whether you're right or wrong

when it comes to things

in the media,

particularly in live media

where you're on TV or radio,

just speak with great authority.

And a minimum

half the people will believe you

and half the people will get

inflamed.

And if you say it well enough

and you explain yourself,

you've got 80% on your side.

It's not rocket science.

Do you get any broadcast

standing complaints

against anything that

you're the morning pirates did

across that six years?

No.

Good memory.

No.

Because you know,

there's boundaries,

but I used to,

fuck ups,

all along the way,

like I remember

one of the things we did,

because I hadn't read

anything out loud

for years and years and years.

So I had to read

like a traffic report

and I stumbled

and bumbled my way through it.

You know,

and for the next week on air,

the bloody producer,

a guy called Tom Davis

who unfortunately has died now,

he brought me in a book,

The Cat and the Hat.

I had to read The Cat and the Hat live on air.

And we did some cool shit.

Funnily you say that,

sorry, we went to Leopanapa

and we asked...

Ah, the lovely pineapple.

We asked what...

She tried to get me sacked

for the first three years

we worked together.

She fucking hated me.

Honest truth.

I always had time for Leah.

But then we slowly got to be mates

and now we're great friends.

I really love Leah.

I wish you could bring

her actual voice into it,

but Steven's going to read

a quote from her

that we got in preparation.

It was pretty much what you just said.

She said,

when we started working together

on Hodeck in the early 90s,

his reading sport was horrible.

He had recently finished playing footy.

So, you know,

I believe he was reading Dr. Seuss books

to himself at night

to bring his reading up to his path.

Ask him which books he read.

And I thought that was a joke.

I thought, oh yeah,

he's just like having a bit of a go,

but he's reading.

Tom Davidson made me read them on air.

But you know, it was all part of the...

It was all part of the having some fun.

And it was, look,

after I got knocked out, right,

it was a fascinating time.

Because we went to...

We went to a live cricket game

with my good mate, Mike Regal,

who was a program director,

and he now owns a radio station

down in Wanaker.

And I still talk to Reg once a week

for the grand sum of nothing

to give my opinions on sport for the week.

It's called Lonigin on the Loose.

And that's what we used to call

the shit back in the days

when we were at Harriky.

But I remember going to...

We went to a one day at Eden Park.

And there's like 30, 35,000 people there.

Radio back then was very different to now

because it was very...

There was nowhere near as much media

as you have now, right?

And I can remember going out

to try and buy a beer.

And mate, this is no bullshit.

I had hundreds of people fucking bowing to me.

Going, Dino, you're on Radio Harriky.

You did this with the Kiwis.

It was like, it was quite...

It was quite interesting.

It was very different, you know?

It's not what you expect every day.

We'll be right back after this short break.

It's interesting you say that

for the first three years,

Leah wanted you sacked,

because I'll just introduce the second part of the quote

and we'll leave Leah behind.

No, no, you can talk about Leah as much as you want.

I love her to death.

She said the same thing, and here it goes.

Him and I would be each other's wingman and woman

when we went out.

It worked so well

that we both had the same woman interested in us

in a ball run by Radio Harriky.

He won in the end.

But all Schenanigans aside,

Dean Lonegan is one of the best blokes I know.

He's loyal to the end,

a bloody wonderful caring friend

who loves his family and son,

his mates.

He still keeps in touch with many of his school friends

and is someone I would be in the trenches with

and hide behind.

Oh.

Well, that's a bit harsh.

That's quite emotional.

She's such a good girl.

She is.

And just for a clarification from her.

Oh, and I wasn't trying for that woman at the ball,

just to be clear.

She went both ways

and I panicked and left the party.

Ah, that's quite funny.

True story?

I hope Liam's not listening, but yeah.

Very good.

Very good.

It was a long time ago.

She's a wonderful woman, Liam Parnipa.

She is a wonderful woman.

Must have been some great times over those six years.

Yeah.

And look, I've been fortunate enough

to keep in contact with her

and we caught up down at Waiaki Island

with a husband who's such a good bloke as well.

And he is a very special man

to put up with a lovely Liam Parnipa.

But yeah, now she's a really good girl

and we've had a good relationship,

priced after the first three years,

it was plain sailing, you know.

Your life in Korea,

there's so many different jobs,

but that breakfast radio and radio

was a big part of it.

Did you enjoy that structure

of like the early mornings

and you did three hours work

and then you had the rest of the day?

Oh plus the prep, mate.

Don't sleep on the prep.

I'm sure there was plenty of prep there, Dino.

Well, the prep I would do is get in it.

If we started at six,

I'll be there at two minutes to six

and read the paper.

That's pretty much a limit of my prep.

And then I'll be out straight away.

But I can say this.

Radio is without a doubt

the world's easiest and greatest job.

You know, I come out of school

and I was basically had three jobs,

which I love doing, right?

One I was playing rugby league

and I was getting paid a little bit for that.

Then I was cleaning at the school

that I went to Massey High School

and then I was working on my dad's trucks

as an off-sider delivering Coca-Cola.

So, and at times, you know,

I was out at Coca-Cola

working on the floor, packing loads

and sort of loading trucks up

and what have you, working 12-hour shifts.

And it was like, people on radio

didn't understand how good it was.

At that stage, it wasn't yet paid much.

I think I started out on 50 grand

for three hours a day.

And it was like, fucking, how good is this?

You know what I mean?

And if you go to Sydney,

that's a million dollars for three hours a day.

Don't let anyone fool you in the media

that their jobs are hard.

Like in terms of the, the media has changed a lot, right?

So nowadays, the days of particularly sports journalists,

you know, they have to work so damn hard.

But he doesn't.

But you have to work hard.

Like, I've got a mate of mine in Australia, Pete Bedell.

He's probably the number one journalist in News Corp.

That guy gets paid according to how hard he works.

And he is the hardest working journal, in my opinion,

probably in Australasia.

He has by far and away

as a result of that hard work.

He is the best journal full stop

and he gets more clicks through news limited

in the curry mail than any other journal in the country.

Because he talks to everyone

that he has to talk to.

Whereas I think, in my opinion,

this sort of format,

you guys obviously do your research, which is great.

But it's a pretty, you know, so long as you get paid,

it's a pretty easy job.

And Radio Harriki, at that time,

we went through some changes

because the group as a whole was losing money.

So they had to cut me down to like 38 grand a year

and I spat tax and carried on.

But at the end of the day,

it was still 38 grand back then

for doing three hours a day,

which is a pretty cruisey number.

So don't let anyone tell you that radio is a hard gig

because it ain't.

Where did the Warriors' Marketing and Sponsorship?

Is it running parallel?

Did you have to 905 you down at Ericsson Stadium?

At one stage, there was changes in management

and in Harriki.

And they decided that I was too much in a pain in the ass

and they wanted some changes.

So they got rid of me, which was great.

And my good friend John Murdoch came in,

who was a specialist in basically laying people off.

So he knew the law backwards.

So we got laid off from Harriki

and he managed to get us out a decent redundancy payment,

which came tax-free through special clauses.

So he was a genius at that.

And then I went straight from there into the management

at the Warriors.

I was running Sponsorship and Marketing over there.

And I really enjoyed it.

It was a time when Ty knew he owned it

and Graham Lowe, Malcolm Boyle, had his shareholding

and so they were sitting on the board.

Trev McEwan, he used to be a ...

Used to be my boss, he'd a sport at the Herald.

There you go.

Trev is a wonderfully good bloke,

but no qualifications to be senior management

of a rugby league team.

And the team went accordingly.

You know, like I've told Trev this,

he'd had about four jobs

and they'd all failed miserably.

But I've always given him a hard time about it.

But he's actually a really good bloke.

He's a superb journal.

And he's now, his real passion is surfing.

And he's got some really cool initiatives going around,

theme park surfing in this country,

which I won't go further into.

But yeah, he's ...

But we had a wonderful time at the Warriors.

Unfortunately, we weren't successful on the field

and that directly relates back to

how much money comes through the gate.

And the NRL now, it's very, very hard to run a club

no matter how bad you go and lose money

because of the incredible revenue streams

that Peter Vellandes has created

through a combination of TV rights and merchandise.

And the Warriors right now,

they are making seriously good money week in, week out

and good luck to them they deserve to.

But back then, you know, you could lose money

quite significantly.

In Tainui, unfortunately,

they lost a lot of money

and they had to sell it at the end.

And I think that's when Eric Watson picked it up.

So I had my time in there and had a really good time.

Really enjoyed it, actually.

And Trevers, it turned out,

even though I don't think

he knew too much about running rugby league clubs.

He's a good guy to work with.

Really good guy to work with.

And we had a lot of camaraderie.

And a lot of the guys I'd played with,

like I think Sammy Parnipa was there

and Mark Graham was there.

As a senior coach, Lowy was sort of floating around.

So it was a really cool environment.

It was really a lot of fun to be part of it.

The Dean Lolligan timeline to me,

it seems, you know, successful rugby league career

and you get into breakfast radio.

I didn't have a successful rugby league career.

Being a professional rugby league player

is just a success.

I was just a battler who had a crack.

Yeah.

Look at the successful rugby league players of my era.

We were like Brent Todd, definitely.

Toddie, Toddie always,

whatever you got of Toddie was always 100% the best.

Toddie had to offer.

He was remarkable on that way.

You speak about honest media quotes,

one of the greatest media quotes of all time.

Brent Todd, when he signed for the Gold Coast Seagull.

Yes.

Yes.

That's incredible.

I can't say that without...

I'll paraphrase it because I don't know.

But he said something like,

the shield is a hot down here

and I want to fuck them all.

That's exactly what he said.

And I don't know that they probably beat...

There's a blooper on YouTube.

Yeah, I've seen that.

Gary Freeman was another very successful

rugby league player,

from my era.

Clayton Fran, Hugh McGahn,

those guys were successful.

I thought I was good.

All about just about that.

I'm coming from a guy

who would have loved a professional sporting career.

So the fact that you made it in my book,

I'm classifying you.

I probably had the wrong...

I probably had the wrong goals,

to be honest.

And I only ever...

I remember in 1981,

I think it was.

It might have been 1982, I think it was 1981.

I was playing rugby league...

It was in 1983.

What in 1983?

Your memory plate.

I was playing rugby league

for the Glenora Under 18s.

And I remember watching a test match.

I'm pretty sure it was 1983.

Sitting on the couch with my mate,

Redivis McCabe.

And we were watching this test match.

And the Kiwis won and beat Australia.

It was the first time in like 10 years.

And I'm looking at the thing going,

how good is that?

I'd love to do that.

Love to have a crack.

So my whole goal was to play for New Zealand

and play in a test match

or test matches that beat the Aussies.

That was it.

The goal wasn't at that stage

to go and play over in Australia

and play in England and all that sort of stuff.

It was just to do that.

And we managed to achieve that.

And unfortunately I didn't reassess the goals

as you should at the time.

And I finished at 25, 26 roundabouts.

And I've got to tell you,

now that I see all these guys coming out

like Wally Lewis or CTE,

where they're starting to have

serious problems with remembering shit

and their lives are going to change

significantly as they degenerate.

I'm so glad I came up at that age

because I promise you,

it's all the guys just ahead of me

that are getting this.

So at some stage, my generation

is going to start coming out and say,

yes, I've got it, I've got it.

You've got Carl Heyman,

I think in the All Blacks,

he's already come out and said he's got it.

So I'm so glad that I gave it up.

And I can promise you this,

it's got nothing at all to do

with high tackles and stuff like that

in my opinion.

It's got everything to do with this

sheer physicality of the game

where you get guys who stand

15, 20 meters apart

and one of them runs as fast as they

possibly can at probably 15, 20 km an hour.

And they get stopped.

And when they get stopped,

yes, you take a physical hit to the body,

but the brain, the head stops,

the brain keeps going forward.

And if you do that enough times

in your career,

you're going to have,

it's just going to, it just happens.

So you don't have to be getting punched

in the head

or hitting the head

high shots

and all that sort of stuff.

And what's really fascinating

is the guys who've got

the most head injuries in Australia,

the AFL guys.

And I can only put that down to,

they're going up high on a regular basis

and they're coming down on their backs

and their heads

and they're taking massive,

massive hits

because it's not a high contact sport.

But obviously when they collide

with the ground,

when you're going up as high as they go,

it's a real issue.

Isn't it also more about the smaller knot?

Like it's not necessarily the big ones.

It's the culmination of smaller knots.

So yeah, maybe jumping and coming down

that is, you know,

fifth times again.

I think it's an issue

and the problem is

an NFL has it in a massive way

and they've done a multi-billion-dollar settlement

for players in the past

for this sort of stuff.

And the NFL's fundamental problem is,

is that they think that the helmets

save them.

It doesn't.

It does the opposite.

If they wanted to save themselves,

they'd get rid of the helmets

and rely on tackling with their shoulders

because mate,

how many NFL players do you see

making tackles

and charging ahead

using, leading with their head?

It's just stupidity

and they wonder why

they've got these head injuries

at the back end

and they think the helmets save them.

It doesn't.

It does the opposite.

So I think that's going to be

a massive issue going forward

for both Rugby League

and Rugby Union.

Just while we're in League,

was that why you retired?

Was it concussion-related symptoms?

No, no, not at all.

I wanted to get overseas to Australia

and play over there.

And I'd had one season over there

on a thing called the rookie scheme,

I think in 89 or 90

or 91 roundabouts.

I played for the Canberraters

for one year

and then we all had to come back.

But Tony Kemp

was one of the guys

who was selected.

There's me, there's Tauera,

there's Tony

and a few other guys.

Tony was of the opinion

that I don't want to go back

to Taranaki

and go back and work in the freezing works.

I want to start Newcastle

and play Rugby League.

So he took back then to get away.

You had to have two tours

with the Kiwis

or you played six tests.

And there was also a transfer fee

about 20, 30 grand that went with that.

So it was basically a restraint of trade.

So Tony Kemp took the New Zealand

Rugby League to court at that time.

And it cost him, I think,

about 80 grand.

And he won.

And he was right

and so much it was a restraint of trade.

And that's when the floodgates opened

of New Zealand players

going into Australia

and pursuing careers

because they didn't have to have the two tests.

You had to either do that

or stand down for two years.

Now, earlier than that,

the Sorensons,

the first guys to go to Australia

were the Sorensons brothers

and they stood down for two years

and then played for Cronella

and Olson Filippana.

And they were the guys

who started this whole thing off.

And now you've seen a floodgate

of New Zealand players

or people who have been through New Zealand,

particularly Auckland,

but also New Zealand.

There's probably make up

between Maldi and Polynesia in Pacifica.

You're probably talking

50% of the entire playing stocks.

So it's fair to say that

New Zealand Rugby League

has a lot to thank Tony Kemp for.

New Zealand Rugby League players

have a lot to thank Tony Kemp for

because he put his balls

and his money on the line,

he's the one who opened the floodgate.

And he opened the floodgate.

So a lot of people have forgotten that

and Tony now works for S, E and Z, I believe.

And a lot of people don't understand

he's part of the very, very rich history

of the game in this country

and he's a major.

I'm sure at some stage

it would have come to the fore,

but he was the one who had the balls to take it on.

He put his own money up

and he was the one that opened the floodgates.

And I think a lot of New Zealand Rugby League players

can thank Tony for what he did

because it has led to tens,

if not hundreds of millions of dollars

over the last 20 years

flown into their pockets.

So it's a wonderful,

he did a very good thing.

You guys have taken me on a Rugby League Detail.

I was getting somewhere with a point there

and you guys have hijacked.

I was painting a picture,

it started with me saying

you had a successful career at Rugby League,

which we can debate.

But from then it seemed like

you sort of started in the promotion stuff,

you did breakfast radio,

you got in the promotions,

you're doing fight for life,

which was really good.

It seemed like it was snowballing year after year.

And it want to take us to 2006

is where I want to get to.

Because it seems like...

What happened then?

That was Cirque Rocks.

Ah!

Because it seems like from your story

is that this was a really foundational moment

of your career and life

and the amount of money you lost

and the mistakes you made.

Was that Cirque Rocks or Circus X?

I think we did too.

One of them broke even.

We took Fight for Life,

we slowly morphed it into an entertainment event

rather than just boxing.

So, when we first started,

it was just a boxing event,

mate, it was great.

And then I slowly morphed it into,

you know, bringing down,

the zenith of Fight for Life.

One of the high points was,

we had 300...

I'd sold 300 Tables at 10.

So, at about six grand each.

So, it was that 1.8 million turnover.

And then we had money coming in from,

a little bit of money coming in

from TV and sponsorship.

And...

But we still didn't make any money out of it, right?

Because I put on this amazing extravaganza

of music and entertainment.

So, I had like a 100-piece band.

And how do you have 100-piece?

We had about 20-piece in the rock band,

you know, because we had backing vocalists

and we had horns and all sorts.

We had a choir, 30 or 40-piece choir,

and then we had an orchestra behind that again.

So, we had this massive musical thing.

And the zenith of what we did,

we had the world's best freestyle motocross guys

out of America, coming down,

doing backflips over the boxing ring,

to Leonard Skinner's free-burned

with this 100-piece band.

It was amazing, right?

And I brought down bloody motorcycle foot jugglers

out of Russia, I brought down,

because I met a circus agent.

No, I met a circus agent in America.

No, no, no.

I went over and saw this lady.

She was an amazing circus background,

and she came from Florida.

And I went down and sat down and said,

this is what I need.

She found me all these acts from around the world,

and they were incredible.

And then I thought, oh, well,

if we can do this for life,

I can start my own circus.

And in circuses,

you've got, there's some certain fundamentals

you've got to have right.

And the fundamentals of this

is that the longer you have them in play,

the longer you engage them,

the less they charge on a per-weekly basis.

The worst thing you can do with a circus

is put one together for a week,

fly people in from all around the world,

because if you have them together for a long time,

all their airfares get amortized

over the course of that 52 weeks,

let's just say.

And then you go on tour,

and you're in a tent,

which doesn't cost you anything.

And then you go into different towns

and you set up,

and your costs are through the floor, right?

So you don't have to turn over too much

to make money.

You've got a really good circus,

like a Cirque du Soleil.

Mate, they print money,

but they come to big venues

and they'll do for as long as they possibly can

to make sure all the costs are coming in.

They're amortized.

Anyway, so I put together this massive circus

to start with called Cirque Rocks

or Circus X,

I can't remember, Cirque Rocks.

And it was about,

oh, it was two and a half million

to put the bloody thing on.

And I'd only,

I turned over about one and a half million

so one million short

and I got no assets to back it.

Then I'd made some other mistakes.

Anyway, I ended up with about 1.8 million dollars in debt.

Very, very stressed on my life,

because all I can see is that,

oh, if I go bankrupt or if I go broke,

I'm gonna have every man and this dog

put me on the front cover of the paper,

I'm gonna be seen as a fucking arsehole.

Don't pay my bills.

So, I had a few staffs

so I laid all them off

and I sat down with my creditors

and I said to them,

look, I got this problem.

Here's my hole.

It's this big.

If you hang tough with me,

I'll get you your money back,

but just don't call me up right now.

I'll eventually pay you off.

I then turned around

and went to about three or four different people.

I borrowed half a million bucks.

I got quite a large cheque off me dad.

I got some money off my sister.

I got some money off a girlfriend at the time

who was incredible to do what they did.

And I had about half a million.

So I went round

and I sort of divvied it up

between the creditors

and then I went to work

on coming up with a whole lot of low risk.

I'd work for anyone for any price

to get it done, right?

So I went on to contract with a few people

and then I came up

with a whole lot of low risk events

and what I would do is,

I'd go and sell these things

like we had corporate stock car racing

at a workaracker park

and we'd sell that in

and I'd make money off that

but what I'd do is,

I'd have money coming in

and I'd pay off some debts

but you're creating new debts

on the way through

which is not an issue so long

as you make your profit

on all gigs on the way through.

So that took me four years to pay off.

I've got to tell you,

for the first year I was probably depressed

and the only way you can escape the pressure

and it's like a heavy wet blanket

on you all the time,

the only way you can escape the pressure

is to go to sleep.

So you go to sleep

and then you wake up

and the pressure is all back

and the worst thing you could do,

what I felt you could do

was going through this

was to drink alcohol

and the reason for that

is the pressure and the pain

and the hurt disappears

for three, four, five, six hours

but the next three days

it comes back worse

so I kicked drinking for touch

and it took me four years

to pay all the money back

and then at the back end

I didn't feel like drinking anymore

cause I'd lost the taste for it

so I might go out once a year

nowadays and have a couple of beers

but that's it on the whole

I find alcohol,

I don't like the taste of it myself

and I find that people start talking

in a different language

when they get on the drink

and they become a giant

pun in the ass

so I avoid them all.

At the bottom of that pit

when you're 1.8 mil in debt

is that number just hovering over you every day?

Like are you thinking about

what a hole that is to climb out of?

Yeah it is, it was a big hole

and at times I couldn't pay

my fucking phone bill

and the mobile phone is the thing

that keeps you alive

to cut deals

so it was a while ago now

and it's all part of the life's experience

but I managed to

yeah it's just, it's not nice

but you had belief in yourself

that you would get out of it

did it take a while to get that confidence back?

It took a long time to get the confidence back

like and you just said

what have I done?

Seriously that's the old

how stupid am I to do what I've done?

But you know you go to work

did I have belief? No.

All you had was the ability to get up every day

and do something

to try and chip away at the bills and the debts

and here's the stupid thing

with a benefit of hindsight and as you get older

all the worry and the stress

and the depression

didn't help nothing

you know what I mean?

And like when you're better to go

if you can try and clear your head

and attack things logically, right?

But I guess to some degree the pain

that you go through is what drives you

to get the shit done

and it was a shitty time of my life

and I wouldn't wish it on anyone

1.8 million for a lot of people is nothing

you know what I mean? They'd laugh at that amount

but for me it was a huge amount of money

and I had nothing to back it at the time

from an asset point of view

so I couldn't sell assets to pay the bills off

so all I had was

the ability to put my head ass up

and drive forward

three years were difficult

because the light at the end of the tunnel

was a huge layoff

but towards the end you know with a year to go

you go right now I know I can get there

and you know

it was only after three years

that the pressure started to disappear

and I wouldn't want to go through that again

Is it one of those things you look back on

and a lot of the guests we've had

the biggest failures are the things I've learnt the most from

and we're going to talk about out the other side

the successes you've had

so much from those failures that made you a better

sort of provider

I don't know to be bluntly honest

I can promise you

for all sorts of different reasons in the

career we've chosen

you have your ups and your downs

and

you learn to mitigate risk

as much as you possibly can

but then you have outside things

like straight up I've taken Joe

I've retired a court

which I don't want to do but we're doing it

we've spent a huge amount of money

and I had factored into the budget

so we're going to be fighting world titles this year

we're finally going to get a return on our investment

young fella's going to make a lot of money

and the path for Joe is so obvious

for me but those clowns

still haven't fought yet

he was ready to fight on April 29

I had him fights lined up in the UK

fight after fight after fight

his view was

just get me the biggest fights and the biggest money

so I went out and did that

and the management thinks it's a good idea to leave

and instead of having been on the second or third fight now

he's on fight none

because he's poorly managed

and poorly promoted at the moment

so frustrating but you know

and those things come out of the blue

so what do you learn out of that

you learn sometimes you can't trust people

that you thought you're doing the right thing by

and I don't blame Joe at all

I just blame his management

so do you learn, yeah I guess

and when you do go through that

you do anything you can to sort of mitigate the risk

but you are in the risk business

every event that you put on is a risk

I'll give you an example

so

if you want to mitigate risk

you've just got to minimise cost

or maximise your revenues

so you look at your variable revenues

in my game and they come in two parts

at the moment because we're still building them

and that is your GA ticket sales

and your pay per view revenues

so

we're in the middle of doing something we've never done before

and that is trying to promote

two world women champions

and Lani and Mia

and so you've got to find different places

to where the value lies

and so

my job is to go out and sell

and sell and sell

so if I can sell enough sponsorship in

my risk goes down because my

getting to the break even point

comes closer

so you've got to bring

break even as close as you possibly can

and you've got to sell your ass off until you get there

so can I take a real

point

and you talk about those two extremes of your GA

and your pay per view

can you take us then to Jeff Horn Manny Pacquiao

51,000

in the stadium at Suncorp in Brisbane

and 50,000 pay per views

yeah we had about probably closer to 63,000

pay per views

a pretty shitty amount considering the

quality of the fight

and they went out at 59 bucks I think

and we had a bigger split

your normal split on pay per views 50, 50

we had about a 65, 40

35 split I think that way

and our favor because of the risk

so with Manny Pacquiao that took a long time

to put together because Pacquiao at that time

was one of the biggest fighters in the world

but he'd had two or three fights in America

and the last one with Timothy Bradley

hadn't gone that well

so long as promoter was looking to

to get a fight for Manny

and we said to him we've got this kid Jeff Horn

Bob says no, no, no Jeff Horn

I've never heard of him

so we had the fight with Joe Parker down here

with Andy Ruiz and we put Jeff Horn on the undercard

and Bob was obviously down here for that

and Bob's a fascinating character from top rank

he's been around and seen everything

and he saw Jeff Horn during the week

good clean cut kid

spoke well on the media, looked fantastic

performed really well on the night

so if you can get the money together

we'll do it

I said sweet so

then went to the Queensland government

this was shortening things up

Queensland government they gave us 5 million dollars

for the fight and based on

we were generating a huge amount of tourism

money into the economy and it turned out

it was an enormous success

I think the Queensland museum

of all things did more

people through the gate on the Saturday

before the fight than they've ever done before

the state travel over there is a big deal

we had tens of thousands of people coming

from interstate, starting hotels, eating restaurants

going out to the museums

and do whatever they did

so the 5 million up front

made a big difference

the second we sold about

we sold about 4, 5 million dollars

in corporate hospitality

and then I think there's another 2 or 3 million

came through the gate but you knew it was going to be a success

when we put on sale for the first day

we sold 15,000 tickets

Manny bought my size didn't he?

well Manny

Manny was an interesting cat

he's a really good guy and very generous

Manny did something I've never seen before

top rank used to talk

with every fighter they get an allocation

of tickets to go to the event

Manny might have had 20 or 30 in the front row

but Manny ended up spending

he spent about 800,000 dollars

on tickets

no shit, for all of his mates to come

he brought down a private jet

like a 757

like a big jet out of the Philippines

that was full with all his mates

he brought about 800,000,000

with the tickets and off the top of my head

and I can't remember the number exactly

but as he got off the plane

and coming to the hotel I had to give him

it was either a quarter of a million bucks

or half a million bucks Australian

in folding

well in a suitcase

no shit, that's exactly

suitcase full of cash

so we counted all this money up

and Manny had a guy

and a person that would give

tickets and cash out

to people who came to the fight

who were Filipino

and he was starring

I can't remember where he's starring

but it was like

like Little Manila

there were Filipinos everywhere

cause he's such a legend

and the previous big

fighter

in Australia

war 35,000

ich glaube zu Mundine vs. Green

und ich finde

15,000 Filipinos

aus Australien zu kommen

und wir hatten 35,000 Auslöse

das war cool

aber Manny Pacquiao war ein wirklich, wirklich

interessantes, unglaublich

generisches

ich sah ihn, er würde ihm eine Schuhe schreien

von Leuten und er würde ihm 100 Dollar

an die US geben

und wir haben ihn für den Abend

mit ein paar Leuten und Sponsoren

und er wollte uns das payen

und er sagte uns

das ist uns, das ist uns

er war ein wirklich, wirklich interessantes

ein wirklich interessantes Katt

wir werden gleich wieder

nach dieser Zeitung

was ist Dean Lonegan

wie auf dem Tag

der größte fight

die millions der Menschen

dass sie sich interessiert haben

oder ist es alles auf die Hände

ihr habt viele

Leute, die dir helfen

also auf den Tag, ihr könnt

viele Leute haben

ich habe einen Kontakt mit der Katerer

und sie könnten

1.000 Menschen für sie arbeiten

auf den Tag, wenn du 51.000 Menschen

auf dem Tag

mein Kontakt ist 1, durch 2

die Leute, die sich in der Corporatistik

verursachen

du hast alles selbst, du hast dich selbst verursacht

und du musst einen guten Team um dich

und das ist wirklich wichtig

ich bin sicher, dass anyone, die

auf Wettbewerbs- oder any company

die Leute um dich zu sprechen, das macht es leicht

oder das macht es schwer

und das Beste der Leute, die es leichter sind

und wie viel du die Resulte überdenkst

wirst du nur die Resulte überdenken?

Oh nein, ich kenne die Resulte

für Jeff Horne zu gewinnen

war es massiv

ich meine massiv, weil all of a sudden

jetzt du hast ein wirklich vibrant Australian

Landscape für Boxen

und dann hast du Leute durchgekommen

aber das war einfach enorm

und es gab es in Jeff

er war vor dem Kampf

er macht 35.000 Dollar

auf dem Kampf macht er

ich denke 1.1 Millionen Dollar

weil er einen Base plus Bonuses hat

und Manny hat das Balsch genommen

das war nur ein großer Stuhl

aber Manny würde ein enormes Gewicht

und dann Jeff ging zu

ein paar Millionen Dollar aus dort

und probably made in his career

er might have had, i can't remember

me might have had 12, 15

fights with us and in the last 5 or 6 fights

he probably made close to 7 million bucks

roundabouts

und as a result Jeff's um

and you do that over a short period of time

like he would have done that over a 2 year period

and he kicked it for touch after that

yeah he was a schoolteacher

and what's interesting

like his wife, lovely lady

when she married Jeff, yes he's into boxing

but i don't think she expected any of this

and you wanna talk about a guy

whose life goes on fast forward

like the week after the fight

or 2 weeks after the fight top rank

took him up to America

cause the way deals work

you don't just get Jeff by yourself

you wanna fight Manny Pacquiao

you gotta give up a thing called options

all of a sudden we're copromotors on this

and we lose a little bit of control

but the money's flowing so you don't mind so much

and he's meeting LeBron James

and he's meeting Michael Jordan

and he's in the same company as these sort of people

and we had massive American

sports stars commenting on the result

because it was a beautiful day in Brisbane

and we fought it in the afternoon

it went back to primetime USA

he just got this tough tough tough

white school

schoolteacher fight one of the all time

great fighters of all time

and Jeff always bled a lot

so the fight was quite spectacular

and we had guys like Jim Harbar

who was commenting on the fight

he's one of the all time great NFL coaches

and there's multiple people like that

it was quite interesting

and Jeff will talk about it

he'll probably never get to talk to him

but his life went on fast forward

cause all of a sudden there was all these

promotional things to do and then we're fighting again

and then the promotional

thing goes through the roof

and the biggest thing, we're in the media business

so the biggest transformation

for any boxer is to come out of the vacuum

of just training and fighting

and going into the spotlight

of training, media and fighting

and I can promise you the media

is easily as important

as the fighting if you want to get paid

if you want to get paid $5,000

for the rest of your life, sweet, don't go and do the media

but if you want to make the multimillion dollars

and when you get to 30 or 31

or 32 and want to finish and not have to

work again and you've got all sorts of choices in your life

get on the media circuit

cause that's where you make money

but the media has changed immeasurably

in the last 6, 7, 8, 9 years

we're doing a podcast here

15 years ago, these things didn't exist

and it's only been in the last 3, 4, 5 years

with the proliferation of Joe Rogan

and how massive he's become

and people have seen what you can do

podcasts are everywhere now

and this long form interview on radio

and TV that never used to happen

is happening in a big way cause of what Rogan's done

it's probably a good time to talk about Joseph Parker

because his journey

you know, when he started off

he was quite shy and perhaps not that good

in front of the camera but he developed over the years

you've already said you didn't give them media training

but was there a strategy behind elevating

his profile

just throw him in and like what we had to do

there's a guy called Noel Thornberry

who is part of a very famous family

in Australia called the Fighting Thornberries

and his brother Ricky fought Joe Kalsagi

at Middleweight, lost over 12 rounds

Kalsagi is one of the all time greats

cause he's unbeaten

Welshman at Middleweight

but Noel said you've got to fight 5 times a year

cause that's what makes him better

so we listened to the advice

and fought Joe 5 times a year

and when you fight them 5 times a year

there's lots of media commitments to do

so Joe would fight, we'd see him on a media tour

which would start in Auckland, you'd go to Hamilton

I'd go down to Napier

to Wellington, then to the South Island

then you'd come back

to his family but then shoot back to

Las Vegas with Kevin Barry

so Joe got a lot

of media attention

and he's superb in the media now

he's really really good

and the strategy was just fight regularly

and when you fight regularly you get a lot of media attention

as well, if you only fight twice a year

twice a year you get media attention

because New Zealand media in particular

don't want to cover fights

they don't want to cover things

until one or two weeks before

so I'm always fighting trying to get stories out there

cause that's the business we're in

but if you fight more eagerly

you're going to be in the media more eagerly

and it worked really well with Joe

Joe embraced it, he was fantastic

he never complained once, sometimes you get tired

Kevin would pipe up and say oh it's he has to go

but he always did it and he did a good job

and as a result

the rewards came Joseph's way

so his biggest pay to ever was

when he fought Anthony Joshua in front of 75,000

he made serious money

and then he had multiple excellent pay days

on the way through

defending the world title

against I think Fury

he beat Andy Ruiz

which he paid pretty well for that

and it's accumulation

of multiple pay days

and Joe's been smart

from what I can understand

and he's kept a lot of his money

and when he finishes

if he chooses not to work again

he'll probably not have to

so there's a chat that I have

when we signed fighters

there's two things I want for them

I want them to come out of it wealthy

but I also want them to come out of it healthy

and the great thing about Joe

is he's still super healthy

and hopefully he'll finish in one or two years

and he's done everything he wanted to do

I would love to see Tyson Fury go

you know what Joe

I'm going to look after you

for the rest of your life

let's have one fight

from what I can see

Joe spends a lot of time with Tyson Fury

when he's up there

in the UK

Joe's got a lovely family

he's now got a multiple kids

which is fantastic

and his mum and dad

they come over to Australia

for a fight with Paul Gallins

when Paul Gallins fought Justice Hooney

and we look after them with tickets

and I've always invited them to fight for life

whenever they want to come

you had so many good years with Joe

and with Duco

and then there was a bit of a messy ending

and you've separated from the partnership there

how do you reflect on your time with Duco

and what happened?

well if I had my time again

when I went into business with it

I would never have done it

if I had my time again

and the reason is very simple

we split for a very specific reason

he played with something that's very precious to me

and broke my trust

I'll tell the story

that's it

so we ended up

after about six months of backwards and forwards

Liam and myself ended up going over to Australia

we took Jeff Horn

Joe stayed with Duco

and we did our stuff in Australia

it was a fascinating learning curve

being over there as I've said before

it's a really tough place to do business

but you know

it's all part of the rich tapestry of life

do you look back with any fondness

at the Auckland 9s or the Brisbane 10s

and elements of that time

the 9s was probably the most gratifying thing

that I've ever done as a rugby league guy

because I remember

I went over to see Tim Sheens

about something

I can't remember what it was

and there was a picture of Benji Marshall

up on the wall

and it was when Benji made his debut

in rugby league

and it was in the 9s tournament

I think it was in Fiji

and I had in the back of my mind

I knew how successful the rugby 7s

had been down in Wellington

and they had 25 years of great success

down there

and I talked to Sheens

about it on that day

and he reckoned 9s would go

because I knew how big the 7s was

and he said yeah

and then from there germinated

two or three years later we ended up doing the 9s

and what was gratifying about it

was to do a whole lot of things

that I knew

that the Auckland Rugby League Club

desperately wanted

so we on the first one round

we had all of the teams

that came over

went out to the rugby league clubs

and did signing sessions out there

and what was gratifying

is I called in to the attitude

roosters when it was happening

I also called in to Point Sheev

and made like hundreds

Activations in downtown Auckland

and in the first alliteration

we had 90,000 people turn up over two days

45,000 people a day

incredibly well behaved crowd

and a crowd that went there to have a lot of fun

and when the warriors played

they cheered loudly

so that from a

with my rugby league background

that was probably the most gratifying thing

that we did when we were there

obviously straight up

while it was my idea

there was

a whole company that was putting it together

Higgins actually had some good ideas along the way

and we did a presentation

to the NRL

we were very well I've been told on multiple occasions

it's the best presentation that I've ever seen

and that was sort of a clinch to deal

but what really clinched the deal is that we went

to the Auckland Council first and said

look this is what we want to do

that's what goes down in Wellington

this will be bigger and better

can you give us this amount of money

the people we spoke to said

oh that's just too expensive

and then we spoke to some people on the board

and they said this could go good

and as it did it did go good

and we had three years out of it

and the reason why it failed

when you had the sevens

the All Blacks or the New Zealand team

there was a hope that they could win

because you thought they would win

and they probably won half the time

they were down there

and the All Blacks during the year

with the Warriors, they were going through a period

of not so good winning

I don't think they made the finals at any stage

so there was no real

look there's three things that drive

any sports event

it's stars, it's parochialism

it's perceived competition

the stars is probably 50% of the equation

the bigger the stars

and of course one of the things that was happening

was the rugby club were holding their stars back

because they thought well if we win the nine

it's great, it doesn't mean shit to the competition

that's what I'm really judged on

so that was one

perceived competition, that's about

this is going to be a really great game

when the Warriors weren't winning during the season

no one had any faith that the Warriors could win in the nines

so

it is what it is

can I just jump in

when you went to Auckland Council

did you employ the 40-30-20-10 rule

in that negotiation

the Brian Tracy approach

yeah we apply that in every conversation

Brian Tracy is without doubt

the world's greatest sales

coach of all time

and he talks about

he talks about in all of his

books that when

you go to sell something to somebody

nobody's going to buy anything off you

unless they trust you

and people don't trust you when all you do

is sit and talk

so you boys have been great

you've been asking me a lot of questions

they'll be doing a lot of talking

the last thing you want a sales person doing

is doing all the talking

so what you should be doing is talking about

them and what they do

and how they got onto their business

so you can talk 40% about sort of establishing a relationship

at the start

where you're from, what you've done

the smartest thing you can do is recognise stuff in the office

so if someone's got pictures of planes

the first thing you do is ask about the planes

and then

the conversation flows from there

30% you'll do a bit of a diagnostic on their business

in relation to the product that you've got to offer

you'll ask specific business questions

this is sounding very familiar to when you came in

I'm thinking back

he asked us about the ACC

the sponsorship and how the business is

I've got to be honest

when I'm in talking to people

I have a natural curiosity about how stuff works

because I actually

it fascinates me

what's going on immediately at the moment

and I've been lucky enough

some of the best times in business that I've had

is not

sitting there watching the $51,000

or the $90,000

which is a lot of fun, I've got to tell you

it's gratifying to see that when it happens

an idea comes to fruition and you fill the stadiums

and you make money, it's fantastic

but some of the most gratifying things that I've been lucky enough to do

is to get out and go and see people

in their environment of their business

and see what they do

and I love, like I was in bloody

Whangarei last week

and I went and saw this company

that's very, very well established

and they're an electrical stuff, big company

500 staff nationwide, very, very successful

and I was fascinated hearing about that

but this company

and the CEO have developed

this electric propulsion system

for boats

and they're doing some really amazing stuff

and they did some stuff down in Wellington

with the first electric ferries in the world

down there

and it was just fascinating listening to them

and they are telling you

I'm lucky enough

that a lot of people tell me their stories

in relation to their business

and a lot of people get very passionate about it

because it's a big part of their lives

and I really enjoy listening to it

because it's interesting to me

and that's one of the coolest things

and I've got friends of mine

who we've done events with

or they've come to my events over multiple years

and they turn into mates

and I've got a guy down in Coromandel

down in Haahey

his name's Jim Johnson

I used to sell stuff to him

and he's just become a mate

because he's such a good bastard

and he spends his life down there now

part of his life

living down in Haahey

in a very cool life

he goes fishing for crayfish most days

out of pots, he takes his allowable limit

he's got a bloody

crayfish tank set up in his house

he flips his occasional crayfish

so the great thing is when people in business

become your friends

that's pretty cool

yeah we're learning that along our journey

you get 90 minutes with someone

you develop a connection

before we let you go, I want to talk about family

so like we said we reached out to Liam

and he said to ask you

about your magical mystery tours

that you took him on as a kid

yeah we used to

do things on the weekend

we lived next door

because me and his mum were great mates

we split up when he was three young

but I've always

been in his life

so we used to go on magical mystery tours

where we would do three or four things

around Auckland

whether it be visiting Cali Tartons

whether it be

we used to go up north

there's a bit of a shooting range up there

through to we'd go to the zoo

we do all sorts of different stuff

and we used to take his mate William Walker

who used to live

right next door to him

a great young fella

and when they were super young

like five, six and seven

when you've got one kid and you're out

it's a bit of a handful but it's always fun

when you've got two of them

and you might have fed them the wrong stuff

like Liam used to go mental

on superwine biscuits

you fed him superwine biscuits

there's some shit in there

in the house when he's five or six

and yelling and carrying on

but you take two young fellas of that age

and all of a sudden you've got to have the arms

of an octopus to keep shit together

because they just do

so we used to have a lot of fun

a lot of fun

and so now DNL promotions

as Dean and Liam

what's it like working with your son

do you guys ever have conflict

how do you resolve it

gets grounded

now he's like six foot four

in about 125 kilos

so it's fair to say

unfortunately we do have

conflict every now and then

but it gets resolved pretty quickly

he's doing a great job

he's what we call

our creative directive

he also signs boxes

when you're in a small company

you've got to be able to multitask

and mate he's just adding huge

value to what we do

sometimes it works

sometimes it doesn't

you know if it works

if you get 150,000 views

pretty simple really

and we find him more and more

he can get 150,000 views

me crying over me and Motto

yeah

you just never know what's going to resonate

Liam came up with this idea

to have Mike King

and me and Motto together

and the idea was

to tell a couple of jokes

all of a sudden

and this has only just happened

in the last couple of days

he's gone from

200, 300, 400 views

to has exploded to 150,000 views

across two or three different platforms

and will probably continue to grow

and Mike is funny, me is funny

but you just don't know what's going to resonate

so we try and put up different stuff

than just the guys training

or fight footage

in a different way

your family is obviously more than Liam

and I imagine family has been very

central to your career

as you've come up

has family become more important

given the losses that you've suffered

and going over to Australia

as you get older

family becomes more important

because unfortunately the extended families

they start to pop off

like our aunties and uncles unfortunately

over the years and cousins who have died

and you get to a point where you go Jesus

you know this is

and you guys are 20 years younger than me

I'm guessing you're probably in your 30s

bless you

but I can promise you as time goes by

you start to value

well this is just for me I can't speak for everyone

but as time goes by you value your time

with your family and your friends

more and more and more

because ultimately that's the important shit

and having the millions of dollars

and traveling overseas and doing lots of fun

for yourselves

I've got friends of mine who are extremely wealthy

I mean really really wealthy

and they do such cool shit

like they take their whole family overseas

and they go and have great fun

but ultimately whether you do it in New Zealand

whether you do it in Onihanga

in Massey or whether you do it

in Sant Rapé

the key thing is to having a good time

is having your good friends around

and having a laugh and a giggle and do whatever

so yeah as you get older

that's more and more important

well in that regard it must be great to be able to go to work every day

with the closest member of your family

of course

I really love it

I wouldn't want to change it

but one day the young fella might make a decision

that he wants to go and do something else

and if he wants to it's fine and dandy

but we're still

coming home from Australia

we had like a 3 year deal

I think it was 7 or 8 fights a year at a certain level

and we had a surety

of revenue

and that was quite good

we lost the contract

I lost the contract

because I didn't quite get my guys there

to pay per view level

in the required time

it just took time and we were caught

right at the end of the cycle

our guys were about to explode

and unfortunately our competitor over there was quite clever

and decided that he convinced Fox

that they should go with them exclusively

and cut us out even though we started the boxing revolution

over there

the Jeff Horn fight

so coming back here

it was quite a shock

for me it took me a little while

to get my head around it

and now it's taken me 6-8 months

to be bluntly honest

to get my head around where we've got to go

and what we've got to do

and we've got a path now that we're set on

and I'm incredibly fortunate

that I've got an amazing business partner

and a guy called Cliff Cook

he's one of the richest men

and him and his family have been incredible to us

so I'm very thankful for that

and they've shown patience

and at the end of the day

if you can be patient in what you do

and have confidence in what you do

and know what you're doing, you're on the right path

it just takes time

so like I said before

we're doing something we've never done before

and that is to promote two world champion women

and women's sports

is going through an absolute

revelation

at the moment, it's not an evolution

it's revolution

which is how it exploded with the Rugby World Cup

and then this FIFA Women's World Cup

has been incredible

we're going to get there with me or Lani

it's going to be significant

but it just takes time

how many tickets left for the fight night coming up?

there's a few

you talk to any promoter

and if they know what they're doing

they'll always say we're going alright

if you're close to selling that or not

because if you're close to selling out

you want to sell everything out by the night

the perfect event

is that as the main event starts

you sell the last two tickets

that means you've got the pricing right perfectly

if you sell out a week before

you've got the pricing wrong

so that's

I haven't quite yet got there

with the perfect pricing model

but it's been a hell of a journey

yeah it's been interesting

to say the least

my life has been interesting

it has, it's been a hell of a take

we're coming along to fight night

so looking forward to it

can't wait to see me again

and the rest in Jerome

just a quick plug for two of the guys

Jerome Pamperlone

he's probably the best

Light Heavyweight, one of the best prospects

to ever come out of this country

and I think you can easily become a world champion

from Mikhailovich

these are both products of the Peach Boxing Gym

and

Andre is one fight away from a world title

so we've got some exciting times

in my opinion this is a golden age

of New Zealand boxing, you've still got Joe Parker out there

Joe's just gone back to the UK

because I believe he's got a fight lined up soon

and you've got

the entire Peach Stable

and I think

my advice would be you get Alina and

Isaac to come in and have a chat about what they're doing

because they are an incredible couple

who do an amazing job

and they're changing lives out there

and me is probably one of the most obvious ones

but they're doing some incredible things

for their boxing gym and the community

so they're definitely a couple you want to get in

I think it's a great shout

You mentioned before

and just to kind of wrap us up

you get the privilege to sit and listen

to fascinating stories

and that's exactly what Steve and I get to do

on this podcast and ask interesting questions

I find myself just captured

in listening to the stories

and gleining little nuggets of things that can help

and the two things I pulled out of patience and confidence

in our own kind of journey

we've been going for four years now

and probably this is the year where things have started to happen

so we've been very patient

but always been very confident in what we do

and how we do it and it's coming to fruition

so it's great to kind of get that

reflected back

listening to someone who's been in the game for a long time

and put on a lot of great events

and learn some lessons along the way

so thank you very much

Patience and confidence are two things

and just the last thing

and you'll hear every great businessman

sportsman say this and I don't put myself in either category

trust me

but perseverance is key

and the fact you've been doing it for four years

that's the hardest part

the next four years should be a lot easier

but I can promise you this and I say this to a good man of mine

Dom Harvey

who's on a similar journey to you guys

he's got a thing called the Ronno's Only Podcast

which goes right

and he gets frustrated at times

that it's not where he wants it to be

but I keep saying bro what you guys

and this applies to you guys

what you're doing is quite incredible

because you're in new media

in an area that people don't quite know

how to monetise it yet and they don't quite know

but the fact is you're still going

you're building your audience

I promise you that when you get to the end of this journey

you'll look back and go

woman more than anyone

is that you forget how hard

the hard times were

and the reason I say it affects woman more than anyone

I was at the birth of Liam

I have never seen anything

so hard

or tough

or woman or anyone

have to go through the pain

they go through a childbirth and yet

they'll have one and then they'll light up and have another

and then they'll have another and another

and I can promise you anything that blows

so true is nothing compared

to the strength of character

a woman has to endure to go through pregnancy and birth

so you learn along the way

that toughness comes in many different forms

but perseverance is key

if you've got perseverance

you'll eventually get to where you want to get

and I saw something really interesting

and I'm sure you guys have seen it as well

about a year ago and I keep popping up on social media

we've got these amazing actors

you had Robert Nero and I think Al Pacino

and Tom Hanks

told me when I was younger that this too shall pass

meaning

if you're in hard times this too shall pass

if you're in amazing times

and things are flying and people are blowing smoke up your ass

this too shall pass

the point being is that you're not always going to be

in this state of negativity or positivity

life is an ebb and a flow of an up and a down

and you just got to try

and take it all in the same stride

I think

because that will lead to a lot less stress

and a lot less drama

and stress and drama is what no one wants in their life

I think that's a great place to end

Dean, thanks for your time

Pleasure, thank you gentlemen

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catch you next week

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