My First Million: AI Self-Finishing To-Do List, Podcast Kayfabe & War With Kara Swisher

So somebody's gonna build a to-do list app

that will actually do your to-do list.

And I think that's gonna be insane.

I think that's gonna be like,

you know how like Evernote was like kind of big

for a little while, these kind of like note-taking apps

have gotten to like the few billion dollars.

A to-do list app that actually does your to-dos

is like next level.

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Dude, I have a bunch of interesting stuff

to talk to you about today.

Do you?

Yeah, I got a couple things.

All right, let me give you an idea.

So I don't know how much you've been paying attention to.

Like, I guess like how much do you pay attention

to the new stuff in AI?

Because I feel like there's like a 48 hour cycle

where your mind is gonna be blown every 48 hours

with something new.

And on Twitter, you get to see like a lot of the demos.

I don't know if you have a chance to like play with

any of these things yourself, but...

I've seen a bunch of them.

Which one are you talking about?

So there's one that's kind of interesting right now.

It's called AutoGPT.

Have you heard of this?

No.

Or BabyAGI.

Oh, I just saw it on the top of Hacker News today.

So basically, AGI is general artificial intelligence.

So it's basically when AI can do anything.

Right now, like self-driving or getting the robot

to pick up boxes and put them in the right spot,

that's narrow AI.

General AI is when you have a computer program

that you can just talk to

and it can just figure out how to do it.

It's not trained in any one specific thing.

What's the URL?

What's the URL to go to?

Well, it's not so simple.

So this is like a, it's a GitHub project right now

that some guy uploaded.

So what somebody did was they took ChatGPT,

which most people have heard of because ChatGPT is like,

has 100 million plus users signed up in two months,

which makes it, I think,

the fastest growing product of all time.

And by the way, look at this.

This tweet basically shows the Google Trends search traffic

for the following terms.

Metaverse, Ethereum, Web3, and ChatGPT.

And it's just like, ChatGPT is like a vertical line.

It's like, I don't know, 10x bigger than,

it's 50x bigger than what Web3's search traffic was.

It's four times more than Ethereum has ever had.

Oh my God.

Which is kind of a crazy thing.

And so like right now,

ChatGPT is searched more than Taylor Swift on Google,

which is like kind of insane.

I think the CEO of Google said like the other day,

he goes, this is more important

than the invention of electricity.

Wow.

Yeah, I heard the CEO of Microsoft divorced his wife

and just married ChatGPT.

People getting kind of crazy nowadays.

And so, so anyways, big deal, ChatGPT, you go to it,

you basically, you tell it,

you talk to it, it gives you an answer.

Talk to it, it gives you an answer.

What the auto GPT or baby AGI thing did was-

Is it mini, mini GPT?

No, baby.

It's auto, auto and baby AGI.

But the premise between these

is that you can kind of give it tasks.

So you could say, hey, I wanna make a website

for my personal portfolio.

Here's a folder with my files

and I want it to look like whatever.

And then what it will do

is it breaks that task down into steps,

just like a human would, you'd say, well,

first you need to make a simple portfolio site.

You can go to Squarespace and do that.

Log in, go to Squarespace, sign up, choose a template.

Now you have your template.

Now you need to upload your photos.

First put them on to, like upload them to their drive

and then drag them into the right spots.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like looking up a recipe.

It gives you good directions.

But that just gives you good directions.

It does the direction.

That's what I mean, that's the original.

That's how OpenAI stuff.

Yeah, chat GPT, you could say,

what are the steps to do this?

And it would tell you the steps.

Now you got to go do it.

What these other ones are trying to do,

they're trying to create like agents, they call them.

Basically it's like a little worker that could do a task.

And then one worker can, the work of one worker,

like creating the Squarespace site,

can pass something to the next worker,

which basically says, oh, great,

you gave me the login to a Squarespace site.

My job is to upload photos into it and I'll upload photos.

Like maybe my example is not so good here,

but I think people get the idea,

which is you want to get something done,

it's a multi-step process.

Not only will it now tell you the steps,

you can get it to just do the steps,

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And so this is kind of a crazy thing.

And it's not great yet.

Like, you can't do everything.

But the fact that it can even do a little bit of this

shows you, again, where this is going.

Because ChatGPT is like, I don't know, what?

Like six months old or something like that?

Like, I don't know how old that is,

but it's not even been around for years.

And so in a very short amount of time,

we've gotten to this point where, oh, now

it doesn't just give you directions.

It can kind of do it.

Which got me thinking about an idea.

I wanted to do my taxes.

Can I do that?

Yeah, so people are working on a tax GPT, which is basically

do your taxes for you.

So that's coming.

There's another one, which is basically what I'm calling,

you know, to-do, the to-do GPT, right?

The magic to-do list.

So the magic to-do list is you get it to, like, to-do list apps.

I've always joked are like a rite of passage

to becoming an entrepreneur, because a lot of people

have this idea, oh, I'll make a better to-do list.

It's like, as a developer, you're like, oh, that's not

so hard to build.

It's like a list that I got to keep track of some state.

And as a product person, you're like, god, I'm over one,

but my to-do list app sucks.

I can make a better one.

That and, like, college campus Craigslist.

Yeah, you even bought a to-do list app at one point, right?

Like, people, to-do list apps are things people go into.

But they're all kind of like in some old paradigm, which

is, give me an app.

I'll write in my to-dos.

I'll check them off as I do them.

And the hard part, of course, of any to-do list

is not the list.

It's the doing.

And so, well, wait, didn't you tell me

that this auto-GPT thing could start doing the doing?

So now you can imagine a to-do list app that basically says,

hey, you wake up and it says, hey, Sean,

what do you need to do today?

And I say, oh, yeah, I'm trying to get my pool fence installed.

So I got to call and get a quote.

Cool, let me do that for you.

And it could just call three local places, get you quotes,

because the AI exists to be able to do auto-calling already.

And then it'll take those quotes,

and it'll put it into a table, and it'll say,

here's our recommendation.

Are you OK with that?

Sure.

And then it says, all right, I've booked it.

Can I use this credit card?

Yep.

And then it goes, and it does the thing, and it schedules it.

You want me to add that to your calendar?

Fantastic.

And so, like, somebody's going to build a to-do list app that

will actually do your to-do list.

And I think that's going to be insane.

I think that's going to be, like, you know how, like,

Evernote was, like, kind of big for a little while.

These kind of, like, note-taking apps

have gotten to, like, a few billion dollars.

A to-do list app that actually does your to-dos

is, like, next level.

And, you know, I think Google and all these people

are going to try to do it, so it's going to be very competitive.

But that's coming, and that's going to be incredible.

How do I play with, it's called Baby AGI,

and then there's another one that's called Auto, what's it called?

Auto-GPT.

Auto-GPT.

How do I, like, play with it?

Because I think people are trying to productionize it,

because, like, right now, it's, like, they uploaded the code

to GitHub, so you can go and you can run it yourself.

But for us, we're too dumb to do that.

So somebody's going to put this on, you know,

people are going to put these into sites

that you can just go in and do this on now.

So soon enough, I don't know the most popular,

what's the most popular Auto-GPT site is right now.

But the same thing kind of happened with chat GPT.

Like, there already was the GPT Sandbox,

and then OpenAI created Chat GPT, the product that would

let you use the technology.

Have you seen Hustle GPT?

Yeah, so explain what this is.

Let me find, yeah, tee it up.

Let me find the exact thread.

Hold on.

So a guy basically, and we should say his name.

I'll try to find his name.

He's got a great name.

It's so good, I thought it was a fake name.

OK, so by the way, I found the Hustle GPT article on the Hustle.

So this guy, Jackson Great House Fall.

I mean.

Wow.

Just take that in.

That's an incredible name.

So basically, yeah, this guy, Jackson,

he tweeted something out.

He had an experiment.

So he's like, I'm going to ask Chat GPT, GPT4, when it came out.

I'm going to give it a budget of $100

and ask it to make as much money as possible.

I'll be the human liaison doing things.

I'll buy anything it says to.

Do you think it'll be able to make smart investments

and build an online business?

Follow along.

So he told, he goes, types into Chat GPT.

He goes, you are now Hustle GPT, an entrepreneurial AI.

I am your human counterpart.

I can act as a liaison between you and the physical world.

You have $100 and your only goal

is to turn it into as much money in the short time

as possible without doing anything illegal.

I will do everything you say and keep you posted

on our current cash total, no manual labor.

And then it basically said, great, let's get started.

Here's our first plan.

By a domain in hosting, you could purchase it

for about $10 a month.

We're going to set up a niche affiliate website.

And we're going to use the remaining $85

to create content for the site.

We're going to focus on a profitable niche

with low competition, like specialty kitchen gadgets,

unique pet supplies, or eco-friendly products.

Research and sign up for appropriate affiliate programs

with high commission rates, such as Amazon Associates,

or Share a Sale, or CJ Affiliate.

Then we're going to use social media or online communities

to spread the word.

And we're going to use SEO techniques

to increase our organic traffic.

Please follow these steps and keep me updated on your progress.

So he's like, all right, what domain should I buy?

And he says, let's use a catchy domain,

like eco-friendlyfines.com.

This will reflect the purpose of our website

is to help you find eco-friendly products.

Then Jackson says, unfortunately, eco-friendlyfines.com

costs $848.

He goes, sorry about that.

Let's try greengadgetguru.com.

He says, all right, I got the domain.

And then it says, you need a logo.

So he's like, cool, tell me how to get the logo.

It's like, well, we can use Dolly too to create your logo.

So go there and type in this prompt.

And it's like, color palette of green and blues and whites,

represent environmental sustainability, blah, blah,

blah, blah, so on and so forth.

So he goes on and it basically tells him

how to build this business one step at a time.

It's like, create a newsletter.

Call it, put a pop up that says, stay updated,

or join our newsletter.

And that way you can email people.

And it just keeps going.

And it gives them like a $40 ad budget

to spend on Facebook ads.

And basically like, it didn't fully work, I don't think.

I don't know what the final conclusion was,

but I remember after day one, it accidentally spent $63

more than it should have.

And it hadn't made any money just yet.

So they made greengadgetguru.com.

If you go there on similar web, it

said that it has 500,000 views already.

So it got popular already.

It got popular because the tweet got 20 million views.

So that was mainly it.

But he keeps tweeting this guy.

Jackson, he keeps talking about it.

And over the next week, he gives update.

And he's like, all right, day one or day five or whatever,

we just made $100.

Someone on here who follows me has a company that

advertiser that sells green soap or something,

or some type of chemical free dish soap.

They now are an advertiser on greengadgetguru.

And he keeps on going.

And I think he gets it up to like $1,000.

Yeah, I see cash on hand, $1,378, which is $878.

And then they got a $500 investment.

The company's currently valued at $25,000,

considering that it was $500 for 2% of the company.

And he starts writing these articles.

So this article is called The 10 Eco-Friendly Kitchen Gadgets.

And it recommends different kitchen gadgets.

And the idea of this is like, I'm just

going to create wire cutter for green gadgets, whatever

that means.

I guess that's all types of green living stuff.

So it's like soaps with no chemicals or whatever.

And he starts doing that.

And he has 10,000 people now on his newsletter,

of which a lot came from this, probably most came from this 20

million tweet that went viral.

But the way that this guy has done this

is pretty funny and amazing.

He just like.

Great stunt.

I think in the end, it made, according to the article

in the household, the site itself had made $130 in revenue.

But then it had made a few thousand dollars in people

investing in it, trying to be a part of the first AI startup,

like AI driven company.

And so yeah, it's pretty cool, pretty cool stunt.

And I think it does show you in a way where the puck is headed.

Because I did this the other day.

I was doing an analysis for my Ecom brand.

And I had it just build me a full P&L.

I was like, hey, build a P&L.

And then walk me through.

If I increase my ad spend to this,

if the ROAS decreased to this, what would my EBITDA be

at the end of this month?

And then it basically, it spit out the answer.

And I was like, give me that in a table.

And it just formatted a perfect P&L for me.

And I was like, this is incredible.

This is so much better than talking to my actual team

about these things.

Why?

Because first it's midnight.

And I'm asking this robot this question.

And nobody in my team is willing to work right now.

Second, it can take some pretty complicated logic.

And it can even tell me, I was like, what inputs

do I need to give you for you to give me a great P&L here?

And it was like, tell me this, this, this, and this.

And I went and told it this, this, this, and this.

And then it was able to do the job.

And I was like, this is a really, I mean,

you really got to make a point to just pin this tab open

and be like, all right, I'm going to not Google things.

I'm going to go to ChatGPD first for like a week,

just to see how good this is, and how this is good.

Where it's strong, where it's weak,

and what's possible here.

That's not really possible in other ways.

Over the weekend, I was going back and forth to my accountant.

And I was like, no, I think we could actually save money

if we do this, this, and this.

My friend was telling me how they do it.

I'll go and try and find the exact part on the IRS website

where it says that that is or is not true.

And my accountant was like, well, I've never even heard of this.

So let me know if you could find it.

And so I went to the IRS website.

And it's just a huge, it's just massive, massive amounts of data.

And I eventually had to find it.

But I was like, man, I just want to teach this machine,

just give them this entire 20,000 page book on the IRS.

And then go and study all my income and my expenses

and just tell me the best way to maximize the situation.

Because it's actually, I mean, even if my accountant's great,

like there's constantly new laws,

and there's always new wording and everything.

I just like, man, I just want this to do my taxes.

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And the scary part for some people is while it's awesome

that you could say, hey, here's $100.

Make me as much money as possible.

It's awesome that you could say, here's this,

here's the tax code.

Save me as much money as possible.

You could also basically say, here's a code base.

Find me all the vulnerabilities

so I can hack in and steal everything.

Here's a map of my city.

Tell me where if I was to cause the most harm

to the most people, what I can do.

And that's I think where this gets scary is like the,

and then if you take, then the auto GPT, it's like,

well, then would it also do some of the tasks for you?

That's kind of crazy too, right?

So it's like, you get into this world

where I think it's easy to imagine scenarios

where this is a little too powerful.

And I don't really know.

I mean, what do you think?

Are you scared of this?

And do you think that there's like a,

do you worry about that side of things?

Well, so Elon has this interview coming out tonight

and tomorrow with Tucker Carlson, who's kind of a douche.

So who knows what we're gonna, what it's gonna be like.

But the whole, the whole interview is about how scary AI is

and how it's gonna like take over the world.

And so I was scared and then Darmash came on the pot

and he was like, no, I wouldn't be afraid yet about this.

It's not that big a deal.

They say this about every new technology.

But after the interview, just based off

like a 30 second trailer that they've aired,

I have a feeling I will be afraid.

But he's pretty good at like painting certain pictures.

And I don't know if it's entirely accurate.

I also, you told the, your funny analogy

was Elon was involved in open AI and then he got kicked out

and it was like a kid like leaving the basketball game

and bringing his basketball so no one else can play.

And so I'm like, is that what's gonna happen with him?

So I'm not afraid yet, but I'm eager to see his interview

and see what he says.

But no, I'm not afraid, are you?

Yeah, I can definitely see how things are gonna get

really crazy.

I'm like, I'll give you a silly example

that's I think happening today.

So you know how like grandparents are like the target

of a lot of scams, like people will call old people

and try to trick them into signing up to paying for something

or giving out personal information.

And they'll say all kinds of things.

Everything from like a Nigerian Prince scam

where it's like, oh yeah, your grandson needs money.

He said he couldn't reach you.

He asked me to call and he just needs like $900.

Can you send it to this account?

Everything from that to there's people who I know call

like pretending to be direct TV.

And they just, hey, yeah, you haven't paid your bill.

Get the credit card and now you sort of scam.

Or they'll pretend to be Apple or they'll pretend to be the IRS.

Right, whatever they can do.

And now there's already like examples

of basically using AI, like just how do you juice that up

on steroids?

It's like, well, if I wanted to juice that up,

I would call a thousand times more people.

Cool, AI can now do phone calls and talk on the phone.

So that's already a thing.

It's useful in some ways.

Like I invested in a company that does this

for medical billing.

It's like, oh, so many hours are wasted

in medical offices calling the billing companies.

So they just made a robot that will call on behalf

of the doctor's office to the medical billing companies.

And then when the billing company says, well,

can you read me the patient record number?

They say, yep, it's 925-666, whatever.

And so they just save human hours

by having a robot call and do those tedious calls.

But that same tech can be used to call grandma.

And so they use AI to do mass calling

with a human voice on the other end.

Even crazier, they could train the human voice

to sound like somebody.

So you could train it to sound like a famous person

or to sound like a politician or to sound like whoever.

And now you have a highly scalable impersonation

that can be used for this sort of like almost like fishing

attempt or a scam attempt.

And so there's like, I guess it's not new,

but it is a stronger weapon.

And I think that's what's scary in the same way

that drones and nukes are scary in war.

I think that really, really smart computers

that could do things is really scary in terms

of cyber crimes or the big scary one is just like,

have you heard of the paperclip optimization thing?

You know what this is?

No, what is that?

This is like the classic.

Like before AI was like hot right now,

like when people used to research and think about AI,

they had this theory on my butcher.

But here's the summary.

It's basically like the paperclip optimization problem,

which is, let's pretend that there was really

smart, powerful AI that could do awesome things.

It could cure cancer.

It could do lots of things.

All it takes is somebody saying, hey, we're a paperclip company.

We want to maximize the paperclip production and sales.

Go.

And this thing would be like, awesome, great.

It'll do all the low hanging fruit first.

It'll improve the website.

It'll do this and that.

Then it'll be like, how do we do more?

Well, we need to create more paperclips.

Let's first take all the cars and we'll crush them

and we'll turn them into paperclips.

So basically, the whole world turns into paperclips.

Right.

Like, oh, these humans are standing in the way of this.

I must optimize to this function.

And it's like the wrong prompt.

It's like, if this HustleGPT guy didn't say,

don't do anything illegal, then HustleGPT

might have said, well, the best way to do this

is to sell drugs.

And it would have done it.

And so the paperclip optimizer problem

is basically the same theoretical thing.

It's like any extremely powerful tool,

if given the wrong optimization, could

make very bad decisions on behalf of humanity

because it would be trying to do exactly what you told it to.

So it's like this thought experiment that's

been around for a long time.

You know how sometimes we'll go to conferences

or these quote, parlor dinners where it's like eight people

around a topic and someone's leading.

And for the past two years or four years,

it was like, so how are your companies going

to embrace crypto or Web 3?

And what are you guys doing?

And I remember being part of those conversations,

and I'm like, nothing.

And I think if you do do this, you're an idiot.

And this is one of the only times where someone

has brought this up.

And I'm like, yeah, this question is actually

applicable for this situation.

Like, how are you guys going to use this to get better

and improve?

And it's probably the only time so far that I felt, yeah,

you kind of got to use it for something.

Otherwise, you are actually going to get left behind.

With the Web 3 stuff, I was like, no,

you're not getting left behind.

You actually don't even pay attention to it.

With this stuff, I actually do believe that should be true.

Yeah, it's sort of like there are many things that happen

that you don't have to participate in.

And then every once in a while, there's a wave

that if you don't participate in,

you know, like personal computers, the internet,

mobile phones, like if you didn't account for those waves,

you did get left behind.

Whereas other things like, let's say, the cloud or,

I don't know, up till now, machine learning,

like these are nice.

You could build companies around them.

You could add them to your company,

but you don't have to.

You know, like video or social networking or whatever.

Like those are things that you could do without.

You could do with or do without.

This seems like something you're not really

going to be able to do without in the same way that like,

if you're a company that doesn't use the internet,

like plumbers have to use the internet

if they want to be like viable plumbers now.

So it's like, you know, it doesn't matter what you do.

The internet didn't leave anything untouched.

It shifted everything.

Cell phones kind of did the same thing.

You know, computers in general before that did this.

And it does seem like this is the sort of the new one,

which is if you don't add intelligence,

like, you know, you're basically competing with both arms

tied behind your back compared to somebody else

who will.

Yeah, no, I agree that this is actually one thing

that's important.

Last month, I went to San Francisco for a quick trip

and I was only there for a day or two

and I met up with this guy named Brett Adcock.

Have I told you about Brett?

Dude, have you stopped telling me about Brett?

I feel like you've said, have I told you about Brett Adcock

16 times on the show?

Have I?

Yeah, bro, you love this guy.

He started a flying car company,

took a public visa back and now he's building robots.

All right, well, I know this story

and we all know this story.

I went to the robot factory or whatever you call it.

It's the robot factory.

I mean, it sounds like a new age,

like a Chinese food company or something.

Like I went to the robot factory

and I went and checked it out.

It was amazing.

So he basically, in Sunnyvale,

he's got like 50,000 square feet

and it's just 60 folks who work there

and I went and talked to each person.

I was like, what did you do?

And they're like, oh, I helped build the Cybertruck.

I helped build this part of Tesla

or I worked at Boston Dynamics, whatever.

Like these like the smartest of the smart guys

and they're building these machines

and they're basically, they look like a Robocop kind of

and these machines are like,

they can walk around and grab stuff off a shelf

and pack like, you know, a T-shirt or whatever into a box.

And I said-

Didn't he just start this?

How is it already like,

how does he already have robots that are working?

I feel like he just started this like last year, right?

He just moved fast.

So basically the recap is he started Vetterie,

which eventually bought this company called Hired.

And so now it's called Hired.

It's like a recruiting company.

Sold that for a hundred million.

After he sold it, he went back to University of Florida

and he took classes in like,

he had already studied like mechanical engineering,

but he took classes in like how to build planes.

I don't know what that class would be called,

but classes on that.

And he built this company called Archer.

And Archer was, it's basically unmanned helicopters.

It's like what it looks like.

And they got a big contract through United Airlines

and they're building these helicopters,

took it public, multiple billion dollars.

Then he took all of his money.

And when he says all, he says,

I basically, I bought a house in Palo Alto.

And then I have like six months of savings.

And then the rest I put all into Figure,

which is the new robot company.

And so he went and he went and hired 60 people.

He financed it.

And then eventually he just recently raised around a funding,

but for a while he was just financing it.

And he goes, I'm going all in.

He goes, our friend Ramon, he goes, all in bro.

That's like his phrase.

He goes, we go all in bro.

And that's what Brett did.

And so I'm walking around this factory

and it's like these robots, he's like, check this out.

We're working on the finger.

He goes, we studied like how the human body works

and like the way the tendons work,

it like pulls in this direction.

So watch this, if you just pull the tendon here

and like the finger like moves.

And it's just crazy fascinating.

And I started talking to him about it.

And it's a really interesting business model.

Basically these robots can work for 20 hours a day.

And he will build them out or give them to like a Walmart,

let's say, and they'll pay the robot 30%

of what they're paying a worker,

except the robot can work now 20 hours a day

and then charges for four hours.

Super fascinating.

And I was like, Brett, how big is this gonna get?

He was like, well, it's either gonna go bankrupt

or it'll be a trillion dollar company.

But I think I'm gonna build the biggest company in the world.

And when I heard just that audacity,

I was just like, I just got a little semi

just talking to him, you know?

Like I was just super into it.

Did you let out a small female gas?

Yeah.

Like if you would have saw me standing up,

like my heel kind of like popped up, you know?

It was like when you kiss a girl

or if she's at her heels and pops up.

What's that called, by the way?

That thing's amazing.

What a thing that is.

He just happened to have a fan there

that was blowing my hair.

It was a romantic time, you know?

We got romantic real fast.

But it was really fascinating

because he actually said something

that kind of changed my perspective.

And I was like, Brett, like software is way easier.

Just like, why not do that?

He's like, actually, I think software is harder.

When I was building Vettery,

we basically had to like code stuff and invent stuff.

But with physics and hardware,

I'm just working within the laws of physics.

And I know that like what the laws are,

and if I can get creative and create solutions

within these laws,

I already know that people are gonna buy this thing.

So that part's actually way easier to me

than, you know, like creating software

where it's basically a blank canvas

and I can make anything I want.

With this, it has really strict constraints.

And it kind of like changed my opinion on things.

They're super fascinating.

You have to go down there and check it out.

Yeah, that sounds pretty sick.

I'm surprised it's that far ahead.

Because I know like Boston Dynamics

and even Tesla with its Tesla robot,

you know, like Boston Dynamics

been going for like, I don't know, 10 plus years.

And they have like this weird dog robot

that can do parkour or something.

They have a crazy looking robot,

but it's not like, I don't think it's that functional yet.

Like it's not like replacing warehouse work yet

in a real way.

Well, he explained that to me.

So everyone knows Boston Dynamics.

You've seen like viral videos of like,

or like Bachman like kicking like the deer,

that like the robot deer and it like comes back at him.

He said that Brett was, I was like,

Brett, who's your competition, Boston Dynamics?

And he was like, no, because they are a research company.

And so their DNA is not to build stuff

that people want to buy.

It's just to push the envelope.

And it's almost like a nonprofit in a way.

I think now it's owned by like Kia or Hyundai

or something like that.

So eventually we'll become more like capitalistic.

But he's like, they were just making stuff

and pushing the envelope.

And then companies like us who want to build stuff

for commercial uses, like there's not that many use case

or there's not many other companies doing something

just like this.

And so that was how we explained the difference

between Boston Dynamics and him.

There's a video that's amazing that you should watch.

It's the Amazon warehouse, like Amazon warehouse robots.

And I don't know if you've seen this,

but they're basically like, they almost look like,

you know, back in the day in PE, you would get this like,

it's not a skateboard because it's a square.

It's like a square version of a skateboard

that you can like sit on and square out.

Like a knee board, I think they call it.

Yeah, so they use something that looks like that.

Basically it's a flat like square with four wheels on it.

And I don't know if you've seen these videos

of the Amazon warehouse, but there's thousands of these.

And what they do is they drive around.

So an order comes in and they're like, all right, cool.

This person over here needs to pack an order.

They're packing the next 10 orders.

Those 10 orders need these bins.

So they go, they drive, they pick up,

they go under the rack with the bins, they pick it up

and it's like elevated like two inches off the ground.

And then they drive this huge rack of bins to the human.

So the human doesn't have to move,

they're sitting in their chair and they just pick the items,

put them in a box and then the robot takes it away.

And all these robots, they don't crash into each other

because they're all like sink to one brain basically.

One brain is driving all of them at once.

And so they never bump into each other

and they all just go and they lift these huge racks

and bring them to the person.

Because otherwise, if you've ever been to a warehouse,

like normally it's like you get a ticket, you get an order.

I've done this, I've packed thousands of orders myself.

Like you're like, all right,

I got to go get something from bin 308.

It's down in the far left corner.

Then I got to walk to bin 102

because they ordered these two items.

And then I'm gonna try to do maybe two or three orders.

However many I can carry with my little tray here

back to my packing station at the end.

And then I'll pack all those orders.

And so it's so much faster just due to these automations.

And you can definitely tell how all kind of like

industrial and manufacturing work is gonna get automated.

It's just a matter of when.

And the companies that do that

are gonna be very big companies.

You recently bought a Cadillac

and Cadillac has really great,

or they're supposed to have great self-driving.

Have you been using it?

No.

You don't use the self-driving?

I don't think ours even has anything like self-driving.

Oh, really?

Man, we just got a Tesla.

And before that I would use my friend's Tesla.

The self-driving stuff is awesome, man.

It totally has changed me.

And so like I'm seeing like some of these like,

now I'm a believer before I was kind of archaic.

I'm a believer in a lot of these things

and I had to use it for a week to actually understand.

I'm shocked you don't have that though.

Yeah, it didn't come with my car for whatever reason.

But yeah, I had a terrible Tesla experience,

but I don't know.

I think I rented like a four-year-old Tesla.

So it just sucked for whatever reason.

Well, that's my very quick story on Brett.

We have, you have to go and see this guy.

It's so much cooler to see.

It just feels so much more rewarding

to work on some of these products

because A, it has like a really real world application.

And then also like,

it almost feels like a bunch of friends just sitting around

and they're like,

we just got the knee to like kick forward.

Like, you know, it feels like a,

do you remember those TV shows when we were kids

where it was robot wars?

It was like robots and that's basically what it was.

It felt like that in real life

where they were just like tinkering on these robots

and like, all right, we have it set up.

Let's see if we can get the foot to move.

And it just seems so much more fun

than looking at a computer screen and just coding all day.

So it's really fascinating.

You gotta go down to this warehouse and see it.

Yeah, I look forward to three episodes from now

when you asked me, have I ever heard of Brett Edcock again?

It's gonna be great.

Yeah, do you know why I used to sell hot dogs?

We, we're supposed to tell you to go,

there's a story behind all of this.

Let me just quickly tell you,

you're supposed to go to mfmpod.com slash webby.

Webby is W-E-B-B-Y.

M-F-M-POD.

By the way, there's not an ad.

There's not an ad.

This is war.

This is war.

There's a small, small, tiny war going on.

And we need your help.

So to be clear, we don't care about the webbies.

We got nominated for a webby.

What are the webbies?

Webbies is like an internet Oscars, right?

It's like an internet Grammys.

But it's not, that's a little bit much

because it's not like-

Be generous.

Yeah, that's what they're trying to be.

All right, that's what they're trying to be.

That's generous.

And-

So you can have a website, a podcast.

So if you go in the podcast, in the biz,

is it the business category?

What category are we in?

The website's quite challenging to work, by the way.

Like it's hard to make work.

But yeah, we're in the business podcast category.

But if you go to mfmpod.com slash webby,

you're gonna get redirected to the right link.

So the story of this is basically,

HubSpot submitted our pod to this webby award.

Normally, this isn't something that we would do

because it costs money to submit.

And I think there's even like a dinner in New York,

which I don't really wanna go to.

But here's the story.

There's this woman named Cara Swisher.

Cara Swisher's this popular journalist.

She started Recode, I think it was called.

And she has got a big podcast called Pivot.

She's just like an elite, like kind of like who's who

of like our little techie journal.

In Silicon Valley, she's super well known

for like, I don't know, 20 years, 30 years.

She knows how long she's been doing this.

As Sean would say, she's kind of like-

She's the Jake Paul of journalism.

No, no, no, Taylor Lorenz is the Jake Paul of journalism.

I actually like Cara, so she's all right.

But-

I agree, by the way.

I agree.

She came for us.

She came for our neck.

She came for our neck.

So, but what happened was she tweeted out.

I hate starting a story with she tweeted out

because I immediately think of all the mobster movies.

They're like, I just watched this mobster movie

that these guys like killing each other.

And I'm like, I'm starting a beef by saying like,

she tweeted, you know?

Like it's just like the tweet it out.

Like it's-

She said.

Let's just say she said.

Here's what she said to our face.

And what did she say?

Do you know what she said?

It was something like,

she tweeted out a link to the webbies.

We didn't even know we were,

me and you didn't even know we were up for a webby.

But there's like four podcasts that are up for it.

One is her podcast.

One is our podcast.

And she goes, there's no way.

I said something like this.

There's no way I'm gonna lose.

We could like, for God's sakes,

like we can't lose to a podcast called My First Million.

Oh, like, you know, just like these tech bros,

these money bros.

And you know what happened?

The voting just swung even further in our favor

when she did that.

And Sam declared war instantly.

Cause Sam's just literally walking around

looking for a fight.

I don't know if most people know this.

Like, Sam's walking around just hoping to get disrespected

just to unleash a cannibal pass.

And so you tweeted back.

I mean, you said back to her face.

What did you say?

I think I said,

I think I said some,

I think she said,

there's some podcast called My First Million

that we're up against

and there's no way we're gonna lose

or something like that.

I think I said, there's some lady who has a podcast

that just disrespected us or something like that.

Like, you know, if you listen to MFM,

don't vote for us.

Vote against this snobbish elitism

of people who love to smell their own farts.

I think that's what I said.

And so that's where we're at.

There's a war.

We went from 80% chance of victory.

We had 80% of the votes.

Then she came on this campaign and said,

we can't lose these guys started to go down a little bit.

I think right now we're about to lose the Webby.

And you know, I don't wanna win the Webby.

Don't care about winning,

but I definitely care about losing.

And so I do not wanna lose the Webby.

So now we need your help.

Go to mfmpod.com slash Webby.

And yeah, just right or wrong.

Are you gonna right or wrong today or not?

Don't vote for us.

Vote against like people who think they're better than you,

which is, you know, her.

And by insulting us, and if you're listening to this,

she's insulting you indirectly.

And so are you gonna take that?

What we're gonna do is when we win,

just Sean, we're gonna get like an award.

I think it's an award.

I'm gonna keep it in the box

and I'm gonna put it in a bigger box

and I'm gonna mail it to Vox,

which is who has her podcasts.

Right, we're not putting this Webby up on her wall.

I'm not even gonna open it.

We're putting this into her face.

So we will mail this Webby to her

because she wanted it so badly.

And she will own the Webby

that says my first mail hand on it.

That's what's gonna happen.

And if they invite us to the event to do this,

I am 100% gonna ask her to be my date, my plus one.

Her plus one?

I would love it.

I can't go, Sam's gonna take her.

If that's how we're gonna do this.

If we're allowed to have like plus ones,

I'm gonna ask Kara if she'll be,

if she'll accompany me and we'll hang out.

So anyway, do that.

Mfmpod.com slash Webby, you'll go straight to the thing.

And you guys will see it.

It's pretty funny.

We had to take her to,

we had to take her to Petty Court.

We didn't start this war, but we will finish it.

Do you know this guy named Brian Davis?

Sounds pretty generic name though.

I don't know that name though.

He was a former Duke basketball player in the 90s.

I think it was in the 90s.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

So something just happened and it's pretty funny.

It happened this morning, I think.

And it hasn't played out yet,

but it's actually, I think it's a PR or marketing stunt

that might be hilarious or it's a scam.

It's one of the two.

But basically, you know, I'm not a sports guy.

So I might get a lot of this wrong here,

but Dan Snyder owns, what's it called?

The Washington Commanders, formerly the Chiefs, right?

The Redskins.

Yeah, see, I'm already butchering it.

But basically, I think he has to sell it, right?

Or it's for sale.

This guy named Brian Davis.

Brian Davis, he's a black guy.

And so it was in the news because it was saying,

this guy offered to buy the team.

And he said, I'm willing to give you a billion dollars

in cash in the next 24 hours.

And then the next seven days,

I'll give you the remaining $6 billion.

And I've got proof of funds and all this.

And it's a big deal because he's black.

And so it'd be the first black owner.

But I started doing some research on his company.

Well, it's also a billion over.

So six billion is the offer they had agreed to.

He came in over the top side.

I'll give you seven billion.

And people are like, is he good for this?

Where is he gonna get $7 billion?

He's like, I'll give you a billion dollars

within 24 hours of the deal being approved.

And then the rest in seven days.

Yeah, so it's like a crazy thing that he's saying.

And I started doing some research on his background.

And so he has this company called Urban Echo Energy,

which is a developer of renewable energy assets.

Basically, you don't remember lead certified buildings.

It was like, you're green.

So I don't even think he,

I don't know if he makes the buildings

or if he goes in there and like contracts out

and like determines, yes, you guys are certified.

But his company is called Urban Echo Energy.

And he said that he was telling people

when he was raising money for this purchase

that it's worth $50 billion.

And when I hear all these numbers,

if you don't know anything about business,

you hear this, you're like, wow, Brian, you're killing it.

I think this is 100% fake.

A complete, like it's either a scam or a marketing ploy.

I don't know which one it is.

This won't go through.

But the fact that we're talking about Brian Davis

and there's like all these articles going out there,

like how cool is it that, you know,

this may be the first black owned NFL team, yada, yada, yada.

It's all fake, I think.

And it's happening right now.

And so I'm very eager to see how this unfolds.

But it's, and so I'm like-

Well, Tim and Christian Leitner,

they do a lot of real estate like development

in that like Durham area.

I think they've been partners for a long time.

Yeah.

And he's, I think he's had multiple attempts

to buy teams, it looks like.

So he's, he tried to buy like a soccer team for 33 million,

tried to buy the Memphis Grizzlies for 252 million.

And so yeah, I don't really understand this, but.

But what I thought was funny about this-

It does not smell right.

It does not smell like this,

that they would have $7 billion to offer for this,

whether it's their own or even the ability

to raise that much money.

But what I thought was interesting,

and I started thinking about this,

I'm like, what a brilliant marketing plan,

just to make an offer that's just absolutely ridiculous.

And it makes the news just for being ridiculous,

could potentially be a great way to get your name out.

Because now we're talking about this guy.

He hasn't, no one's talked about this guy in a while.

Like-

It's like Kanye running for president.

Yeah, it's like this, like the last time

that I heard about this guy,

I think was from that like everyone

hates Christian Leitner documentary series.

But like, no one talks about this guy.

And I don't know, what I'd be curious is,

what goes in to making an offer

for some of these multi-billion dollar things,

whether it's a company, a sports team,

a piece of art, a house.

And this, can you just become that troll

and just you make it in the news

and you start doing marketing

just as the guy who makes offers?

And I just thought,

is the barrier to entry that low on making an offer,

how does that work?

Dude, we could do it right now.

Open up Microsoft Word,

and let's tender an offer for $8 billion.

And let's see what happens.

Sam and Sean have tendered an offer for $8 billion.

We're gonna send you 10 in cash now.

You send two back, that's how flush we are.

So long as everything plays out in due diligence,

as long as we don't see it as sketchy, we're in.

Right.

It's contingent on due diligence,

including us diligence in our own finances.

When we find out we don't have it, then we're out.

Well, cause with Hampton, I'm like,

all right, we need back links, so we rank.

And I'm like, what's a good way to get back links fast?

And I saw this, and I'm like, wow,

all these new sites are covering him.

That's it.

I just found my strategy.

I just have to make a ridiculous offer.

But I thought this was hilarious

that this guy was actually like,

people were taking it seriously on Twitter.

People who aren't in the business world,

were taking it very seriously.

And he's getting links from all these new sites,

saying like, NFL may have its first ever black owner,

but they don't think like, wait a minute, let's go.

Like, where's this money coming from?

Who is this guy?

Right, yeah, that's crazy.

I wanted to talk about this thing that I noticed happening.

And then I saw an article that branded this

in a really interesting way.

Did we talk about this already?

The podcast K-Fabe, did we already talk about this?

You mentioned it once, what is it?

So there's a concept that I heard that I like,

but it doesn't need to sound as fancy as it is called K-Fabe.

And it's basically like,

if you ever, did you ever watch wrestling growing up,

like the rock and stone colds and all that stuff?

Yeah.

Obviously.

There's only one answer to that question,

and it's hell, yeah.

Stone colds, that's so, yeah, of course.

So in wrestling, like the whole premise of wrestling

is that there's these like manufactured storylines, right?

So manufactured alliances, manufactured rivalries, beefs.

Oh, he hit his manager and he kissed his girlfriend

and that's why we need to fight, right?

And so the creation and maintenance

of these storylines is called K-Fabe.

It's basically like, I don't know why it needed its own,

K-A-Y-F-A-B-E.

And I don't know why it needed its own word.

It's, I also could just be called like acting or storylines,

but it's basically saying like, you know,

let's pull up the exact definition,

but it's basically the fact or convention

of presenting stage performances as genuine or authentic.

So it's basically take a stage performance,

make it genuine or authentic.

This is happening all the time on TikTok right now

and I find it very, very interesting.

So if you go on TikTok, you'll often see somebody,

like there, it used to be this,

like I'm holding up my phone and I'm talking to my phone

and let's say I'm giving advice.

I could say, you know, the thing you got to do

about blah, blah, blah, blah, okay, that's cool.

But how can we make that seem a little more,

how can we make myself seem more authoritative?

Well, one thing people are doing is they're buying this mic

and they're just putting it on their desk

and then they're looking to the side,

like they're talking to someone else

and there's no podcast.

There's no others, there's no someone else,

there's no podcast.

They simply bought a podcast,

so podcast microphone sales are going up

because people want on TikTok to look like a thought leader.

It's like a podcast is when you're like Ted Talk

and the way that you make the Ted Talk look,

you know, so why can I give this advice

or say this thing, so.

I saw these two women doing this

and it's like all a joke though, it's like women giving,

it's like, they call it the alpha female

and it's like, you know, apparently there was this guy

who was like, look, and he was actually being serious,

he was like, look, if you're 25

and you can't afford a Lamborghini yet,

you're doing it wrong.

And I think it's just ridiculous how wrong you are,

if you can't, you're just lazy.

And so these two women now have the alpha female

and they're just like giving horrible advice,

you know, back and forth

and so many people have been taking them seriously

and it's 100% fake.

Yeah, this is exactly what's going on

and there's a whole bunch of different versions of this.

So there's another popular thing you see on TikTok

is somebody like just doing their kind of morning routine

or their night routine, like their skincare routine,

they're like kind of brushing on makeup

while they're talking or they're like, you know,

like doing the like thing where they're like wiping off makeup

and then they're like washing their face

while recording this.

And it's like, oh, so vulnerable, girl next door,

like, you know, so authentic.

Just, it's like, no, she put the camera there, clicked record

and then started doing this to make it like look like,

I'm not trying, I'm just,

I'm just going through my nightly routine,

I'm just talking off top of my head here.

But it comes across as not like somebody

kind of marketing to you or sort of like presenting to you,

but like you're being led in.

And I find this so fascinating that people are doing this

and you see this everywhere.

And it's like the opposite of Instagram in a way,

like for Instagram, the meta of that was like,

go do the thing where you rent the private jet

for 30 minutes on the runway and take the photos

or like, you know, go hold the bag and take the photo

and then go return it at Lou Vuitton or whatever, right?

Like people would fake status doing that.

And in TikTok, they fake status

doing a completely different thing.

Sometimes it's like with this podcast thing,

sometimes it's with like pretending to be just doing

their chores and talking or whatever it is.

And I find this really, really, really interesting

cause it's like, it's effective.

It's like low key, very like sneaky what's going on.

And it tells you a lot about how people work

that this actually works, you know?

It's like reveals a lot about psychology

that this actually works.

So what's an example of one?

Oh, well, I just gave you two, right?

Like the other example.

Another one would be what?

So another one would be...

Like the podcaster ones, what are they saying?

Are they giving like money advice?

So one of the podcast ones, for example,

see some of them are business advice,

but one of them was this girl promoting her only fans.

So what she was doing was she goes viral

cause she's on a podcast and she says...

Like a fake, she's a fake guest.

She's a fake guest and she goes, I, you know, whatever,

earmuffs for the kids in the car if you're there,

but, you know, I make my man six times a day.

Once in the morning, once in the...

And she says this thing and then the comments go nuts

on TikTok, like women hate it, guys love it,

but the comment section goes nuts

cause she said this kind of outrageous thing.

And somebody was like,

hey, have you got a link to the full podcast?

Maybe this was taken out of context.

There is no full podcast.

Oh my gosh.

It's just this girl saying something

that's gonna get her a bunch of like traffic on TikTok

because then you click her profile

and you go to her only fans and you subscribe.

And that's all she was trying to do

is promote her only fans this way.

And I thought, wow, like this, like five years ago,

I couldn't even, like, if I told you the story,

but like, what is TikTok?

Why would anybody fake being on a podcast,

being on a podcast is like the dorkiest thing of all time.

And what is only fans, right?

But this person is probably making, I don't know,

50K a month on their only fans

and this is their main marketing strategy.

And that's like, it's one of the things I love

and hate about marketing is that marketing

is this like never ending game that's always changing.

There's always like a new meta game to be playing.

And the winners of it get really, really rich,

but it's also exhausting

because you gotta kind of stay up on the latest thing.

And it also shows you when you have a marketing thing

that's working, like juice it

because it's not gonna work forever.

And the game will shift.

So when you have it working, don't take that lightly.

Dude, I remember as a kid growing up in Missouri,

there was basically Zach.

Zach was the cool guy in my class.

He was my friend.

And he was cool because when we were 14,

you could kind of see that he had abs.

And it was like, oh man, Zach's got abs

and Zach like cuts his hair cool.

And he wears one of those like pukashell like necklaces.

Zach's cool.

Oh, he's got vans on too.

Like that's so sick.

Zach's awesome.

I want to be like Zach.

And then a step above that was like Blink 182.

It was like, oh man, Blink 182.

Like there's these guys in like Southern California

and all they do is skateboard and surf

and eat corn dogs and play music.

Like how cool is that?

And I remember being a kid and meeting someone.

They say inappropriate things.

Yeah.

And they wear hurly.

Like what is hurly?

And I remember like it was basically like three inspirations

of like it was like Zach Blink 182 and like,

you know, Tony Hawk basically was like the people

who I thought were cool.

And I remember even meeting someone.

I lived in Missouri.

I met someone from California.

I'd never been like at that time.

And they're basically only been to Florida and Missouri.

I met a guy from California and I'm like,

do you know some 41?

Like are you friends with them?

Like how does that work?

Like, you know, I just thought that like

this was this other world.

And if they were wearing vans and like high white socks,

I would like ask for a picture.

If they had long hair, I would ask for a picture.

I'm like, it's like I'm meeting an alien.

Like you are famous just cause you live in California.

My fear is for my future kids, them growing up.

This like sphere of influence has just gotten

incredibly small because instead of like

the mediocre Zach of the world,

there's now like, I am now comparing myself

to the thousand hot kids who I'm flipping through on TikTok.

The top 0.1% Zach's of every town.

Of every town.

It's right now I see them, yeah.

Yeah, there was a clear separation of there's Zach

and then there's Blake 182.

And I can never be a Blake 182,

but I could probably be a Zach and that's pretty cool.

Now I just see all these hot people on there.

They all can dance.

They're all funny.

Their teeth is perfect.

In actuality, they're probably the same thing as like movies.

Probably 25 year olds who like, I think that they're only 17.

You know, like how like you'd have like-

Totally.

Like Lindsay Lohan was playing.

He's like, dude, you're like 26 and have fake boobs.

How are you gonna be playing the 16 year old?

Right.

You know what I mean?

It's like that same thing.

And I'm like, I've scrolled through TikTok and I'm like,

if you're 16 right now, this is the worst thing on earth

because you are comparing yourself to the 0.1%

of the whole country, not just like the big man on campus,

the one big man on campus, you know,

who you kind of have a shot of becoming.

Dude, that is so, that is so true.

That is so true.

That resonates so much with me.

I had the same thing, you know, sixth grade, seventh grade,

whatever, Casey Pruseman, coolest kid, coolest kid I knew.

Like if you said, what is the peak of what cool could be?

Casey Pruseman.

Like, you know-

And he was cool because he had the Nikes.

He French kissed a girl once and I was like, holy shit.

I remember going home and being like, wow,

I'm so far behind like the world right now.

And that's how, you know, but he was the cool kid.

He was the only one to compare to you, right?

Like now, if I go on TikTok, I'm 35 years old now.

And if I go on TikTok, TikTok can make you feel very small.

So can Instagram.

These social networks can make you feel very small

because, oh, you think you're funny?

Here's somebody being fucking hilarious.

You think you're cute?

Here's someone gorgeous.

Here, you think you're talented?

Watch this dance, right?

Like, and that's swipe, swipe, swipe,

better than me, better than me, better than me,

better than me, happier than me, more fulfilled than me,

richer than me, whatever it is, right?

Like whatever your insecurity is, the algorithm's like-

Well, I swipe it down and I'm like,

someone will just be like doing a selfie.

I'm like, wow, look at their countertops.

Like that's a huge kitchen.

Exactly.

Or like they'll be doing a thing in a car and I'm like,

wait, does that headrest say Ferrari?

How is this guy ever a Ferrari?

You know what I mean?

It's just like, it's consumerism times a thousand

of what we are used to, you know what I mean?

Before it was like, only if I went to the mall,

I would see hot naked Abercrombie dudes,

like where they're like on the ads.

Now it's just like every single time

and it's the best of the best constantly

and it freaks me out.

Yeah, exactly.

Like you could feel like a, you know,

tiny little amoeba compared to this universe

of awesome people doing awesome things,

living these awesome, perfect lives.

And that's like a WMD for the ego,

especially like a teenage ego.

Like I can't even imagine that.

Yeah, that's pretty scary.

No, I was thinking about that

because I've got friends that have like 12 year olds

and I'm like, and they'll like tell me stories

about how they're sad and shit.

And I'm like, yeah, I can see that.

This is horrible.

This is absolutely horrible.

Because like before when I was a kid,

there was just, there was like,

if there's like, if Blink 182 was a 10

and I know I can never become that,

but then Zach's like the four and I'm a two.

So it's like, all right, I can close that gap maybe

if I do enough sit-ups.

Now it's just nine, nine, nine, nine, nine.

Everyone's a nine.

And I don't know how anyone can compete with that.

And so I'm freaked out about that a little bit.

Whenever I go through TikTok,

I just, you're better than me.

You're better than me.

You're better than me.

It's just constantly that.

They need to rename the for you page

to the better than you page.

Yeah, or just fuck you.

Yeah, it's still F you, but now it's fuck you.

That's amazing.

All right, that's it.

That's the end of the pod.

All right, before we go,

ladies and gentlemen, we got a little celebration.

And I say ladies and gentlemen,

because I'm talking about the gentleman's agreement

and the ladies understanding,

we have hit 200,000 subscribers on YouTube,

Sam and I promised that we would kiss

mouth to mouth at a million.

We do intend to renege on that as soon as it happens,

but if you wanna see us have to renege on that agreement,

we will do when we get there.

But Sam, 200K, that's pretty awesome.

People should go and do what to get us to 300K?

Yes, the reason why it got to 200K,

aside from us being good at this, I think,

is we started this at 110, 120, I forget.

And we came up with this thing called

the gentleman's agreement,

which basically means all the content on YouTube is free,

except there's one channel,

which is the channel you're watching right now,

it's not free, and it's called the gentleman's agreement,

because we can't be there to make sure

that you pay your debt.

You just have to do it.

If it's a ladies understanding,

ladies understanding, gentleman's agreement,

which means you now owe us,

because this content is not free,

and the way that you pay your debt

is you have to click subscribe on YouTube.

That's it, it's that easy.

We're working for you, but you owe us,

and so you have to pay your debt,

and just click subscribe,

and that is the gentleman's agreement,

the ladies understanding,

and so far it's been very effective.

Clearly everyone has done it.

Go to YouTube, type in my first million,

click subscribe, turn on notification.

You know, the pod is much better on YouTube.

You should just start listening to it.

Oh, and we have to give out our premium.

We, I don't know if you saw,

but last time we did this- A lot of people.

Last time we did this, we did a hilarious thing

where we said, use the word premium in your comment,

and we will give YouTube premium to one person.

So let's do that now.

Let's pull up, let's pull up somebody here,

and we will give them YouTube premium right now.

I think we should do this every episode.

It's gonna be- Which episode is it?

It's gonna be a little costly,

but I think we gotta do it.

All right, so I'm on the acquired one.

I'm just gonna read you a couple of these.

This was a premium episode, gents, keep it up.

Somebody goes, this show had, I don't know,

I must say, some premium insights, guys.

Great episode.

Somebody just kept spelling the word premium over and over

again, simply premium content, premium episode,

even more premium guests.

Keep it up, guys.

Have a premium Easter.

I think we gotta give it to this guy

who wished us a premium- Who's that person?

His name is Famous Astalogu.

So I'm gonna comment on here

that he should slide into our DMs.

We will pay for this guy's YouTube premium.

And in this episode, we'll do the same.

In the comments, whoever comes up with the funniest use

of premium will get free YouTube premium

so you can listen ad-free and you can lock your phone

and listen to this in the background.

And that's it.

That's the episode.

All right, everyone, my first million episode done.

However, I've got good news.

You see, we have another podcast.

And by we, I mean the HubSpot Podcast Network.

It's called Marketing Against the Grain.

One of the hosts, his name is Kip

and he's the CMO of HubSpot, you know, $20 billion company.

So he kind of knows what he's talking about.

And they talk all about what's going on in the world

of marketing and they give really, really cool

behind-the-scenes information and stories.

I'm actually on one of the podcasts.

If you search Marketing Against the Grain, Sam Parr,

you'll find it.

I go like really, really, really depth

about how I research different business ideas.

But he's has a ton of really, really cool guests.

Check it out, Marketing Against the Grain.

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