de volksjury: Aflevering 112 - Columbine shooting

Welcome to episode 112 of The Volksjuri.

We are Laura and Silke.

Hey, mate.

Hi, girl.

This is day 350 that I'm with you again.

We've seen each other a lot, haven't we?

Yes, but it's fun.

We're fun things at the same time.

It's unbelievable.

I think we've seen each other twice this week.

Just for fun.

Yes, let's do that.

We're first.

Yes, wait.

Recap it.

It was the most exciting weekend of my life, I think.

Yes, it doesn't really matter.

But that evening I was like, this can't be this one weekend.

But it was like that.

It was like that.

Pinkster for life.

Love, Pinkster.

I think we've already said that.

Yes, I think so too.

Pinkster is our life.

It started with a choir festival.

Yes, together with this weekend.

We thought we'd do that.

We went there.

Fun.

Beautiful.

Beautiful.

Sorry, boys.

It was very beautiful.

In a park, the stages were very beautiful.

You looked out of your eyes.

Not too many people.

Maybe it wasn't great for the organization, but for us.

Yes, very excited.

Very good.

We totally disappeared.

But we still did.

We still did.

We didn't do the app.

We didn't take any pictures of the ground plan.

We didn't have any bonus footage.

We were totally unprepared.

Yes.

But look, we're sitting here.

It was a good first exercise.

And then I said to Lara at two o'clock in the morning,

we went to Wachtebeke.

Wachtebeke?

Really?

I still have to make it.

Because I have a...

Yes.

I know.

I just don't have time for that.

One thing.

Yes.

You know the plan too.

I mean, when I had to do it.

But when I drove there, I thought to myself,

what if it's just an accident?

We'll make it.

But then it's still three o'clock in the morning.

And we'll make it.

But then it's still three o'clock in the morning.

Wachtebeke.

I've been to a community where I've never heard of it.

But it's beautiful there.

I have to say, if you're from the street,

that's really the province of Belgium.

I don't think so, indeed.

Annike and I often say,

should we come here?

Just because it's so beautiful.

So quiet?

Yes.

Okay, we're at 1.30.

We've been there.

Is this the vibe?

Is that attractive?

Yes.

A colleague of mine told me that

on the Domijnpuibroek, where there was a festival in the Netherlands,

Pennezakrok used to be there.

But it's in Mol?

In silver?

Yes, I suspect that he's from the Gents.

That Pennezakrok was only in two,

only in several locations.

So he was there at Pennezakrok.

I didn't check it.

So maybe that's not true.

I can't confirm that it was there.

I've never been to Pennezakrok.

I've been there twice.

Who did you see there?

Wow, it wasn't like Barahim then or something.

Very good.

Yes, very good.

Do you want to play some music?

No, I want to hear you say Barahim.

Bring Barahim back.

I didn't expect that.

But then, when we arrived there,

we did a show.

It was...

Well, the setting...

It was a gigantic circus tent,

where 3,000 people were playing.

The biggest audience we've ever played for.

I'm very happy that I was able to do this.

I felt very guilty for the organization

of Working Glass Heroes.

I was like, what's going on?

I came there, I called you,

I had a panic attack.

I said, this is rock!

I said, this is rock!

This is rock!

So big.

But it was great.

We gave a talk show.

I thought, okay, it's such a tent.

We're not going to stand alone.

So we had four experts with us.

We had a lot more than we had with us.

We had made-up.

Larice, you came to know that I can lie very well.

Yes, that's also something I have to work on.

I get it.

I'm just going to say,

I have a lie detector around me.

Yes, she did.

Unbelievable.

Because this can now be very difficult for me.

So I...

Yes.

To be honest.

Yes.

For a next talk,

I'll give you advice and advice.

Yes, perfect.

We do a kefir to understand each other.

That was funny.

You do a kefir to understand each other.

You make that up.

We analysed our DNA.

Lara is...

naked.

It's unbelievable how many people think I'm naked.

What's wrong, boys?

I had a package.

You can say that.

With a nice tattoo with silk and a heart around it.

Yes, yes.

It was fun.

No one was there.

Or that you were there.

We analysed each other very well.

Because there was a circus stand.

Full of sun on it.

Lara had a bodysuit.

So she was like...

In the eye.

Yes, we know that it's captured.

But I was so afraid to look at it.

Because I didn't want to see myself like that.

To die on that stage.

But it was really...

It was really fun.

I thought it was really fun.

Yes.

Yes, yes, anyway.

And everyone who wasn't there did something wrong.

We saw on Facebook that there will be a new edition next year.

And I will be there for two days.

We paid for two days.

It was so fun.

So fun.

So much fun.

Really a lot of advice.

Well, then we'll be back.

Yes, see you tomorrow.

Yes, because then we organised a date.

Together with Karin, a friend of ours.

We went to mini-golfs.

Glow in the dark mini-golf.

I am probably the only person on earth.

But in my 30th...

After my 31st anniversary.

I had never gone to mini-golfs.

Then you said that.

I am really excited about it.

Yes, I am so sorry.

But the event was exciting.

Yes, yes, good.

Still a good first time.

I think that all the next times will be less good.

There were Dinos.

There was a Yeti.

There were pirates.

There were Pharaohs.

There was Egypt.

Yes, it was beautiful.

That's good.

And then we'll have dinner.

And then we thought it was good.

But still until tomorrow.

Yes, and here we are today.

On Nio.

Can you record episodes?

I have two quick tips.

One is a podcast tip.

That is already online.

But I will just give it a tip.

Because I just started listening to it.

The coldest case in La Remy.

It is from Cereal.

About a journalist who returns to her birthplace.

At her high school.

Where a young woman is murdered.

And where there is never a date.

And she has the case.

She is aware that she was still in high school.

And never got a head start.

For a while I googled.

We all have such a case.

Where that case is.

And she tries.

To find out more.

Than what it was until then.

It is...

She is already...

It is hard.

Yes, I have...

We listened to one episode.

I have to put myself in there now.

To...

It's not so exciting.

Or you really have to listen to it.

Yes.

And further.

Silke, you are my favourite journalist on earth.

You know that.

There is no doubt about that.

But...

But I want to...

The two journalists of the morning.

To give them the coup d'etat.

To the message of the process.

On the murder of Ilse Uitersport.

There was a very bright article in the Zeno.

I read it too.

Thank you, Eline Bergmans.

And Jan-Ik Verberkmoes.

That was very bright.

Very clear.

People who have forgotten what happened.

Read the article.

Very...

Very beautiful and very serene.

This is what happened.

This is the murderer who already knew.

The process started this week.

How good it is to be there again.

In the business.

I just thought it was a very bright portrait.

I thought, write it well.

Yes.

And since you are talking about the Belgian business.

We also have to talk about what happened last week.

The process of Sanadia came to an end.

The journalists know their punishment.

Yes.

And it didn't come as a surprise to me.

For people who are not there.

There are works that are divided.

There are booths that are divided.

But that was it.

And I think that for a lot of people.

A lot of people came in.

Or they were just like...

Yes.

A very sad confirmation of what happened.

Exactly.

So yes.

A lot of people asked us.

Will you please bring the things?

We will certainly do that.

So I think we will go further.

On how the staff are together.

How they came to that.

And what our opinion is about it.

At the moment we just really want them.

Family and friends of Sanadia to find peace.

And that they can start their working process.

That they can finally start.

But we have read everything.

We have seen everything.

Yes.

That is the only thing we have to say about that.

Yes.

Then...

Yes, look.

We just said how busy our life is.

We are not going to complain about it.

Because it's just great.

But look.

Then at least a whole medium can come of it.

And also this episode is sponsored by HelloFresh.

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We are really besties.

Because they know us really well.

Because on the other hand there is also an app from HelloFresh.

And I think that's handy.

Because until now I was always so busy.

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But don't forget that.

But I don't know.

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My love for that brown bag is getting bigger and bigger every time.

It's really the tightest thing to do here.

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But also the planning.

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But I know that the coming three days.

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You also know that.

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No, you can in that app.

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Ok, and then we got a very nice sponsor.

Inside this week.

Rose, we said it last time.

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And Rose sent a message.

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I will briefly say what Mad Max is.

It is a Belgian start-up.

I really like it.

It is handmade in Belgium.

They are very nice bottles.

They are actually beer bottles.

That is filled with spicy oil.

I think they sent them out.

I really like how they describe it.

Look, what makes our product unique?

It is not our goal to be the most spicy oil.

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Oh, okay.

I see that.

I don't.

But I am curious.

I will try that tomorrow.

Silke also got a bottle.

But she hasn't opened it yet.

I am a funny girl.

I have a piece of bread here.

And we are going to taste it together.

So it is not the intention that your mouth is on fire.

It is just to level up your dish.

Okay, I am curious.

I want to tell you.

It is spicy oil and I am his best friend.

Yes.

I am going to eat spicy food.

I like it.

But my mouth doesn't have to be on fire.

So I am curious what will happen.

Okay, wait.

I am going to do something less for you.

Just a dip.

A dip.

Yes.

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It is more grained bread.

Yummy.

Cheers.

Cheers.

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I mean, I feel my tongue now.

I am starting to sweat.

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Yes.

But it is not what I think.

My eyes don't start to sweat.

My nose doesn't start to walk.

Because I hate spicy food that you think like that.

Fuck.

I am dying.

And you just eat that.

For the pasties.

Yes.

You know what I like about it?

It is oily.

It is not spicy sauce.

So you taste the good olive oil.

That is indeed possible.

Very tasty.

It is tasty.

All right.

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It has the same meaning as it says.

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I thought you said it.

Sorry.

Was Ivan also not just a year old?

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He ordered it.

I think so.

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Nice idea.

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I want to say that if people want to try out some other things on the podcast.

I am going to be very lucky.

I like that.

But I thought you were going to say no.

No, no.

OK.

That's really my vibe.

Try something.

Let's do it.

Lama, come on.

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We will deliver it once.

No.

Because you have chosen it.

I did not expect this.

I did not see it coming.

No, I know. The thing is, I had another job that I really wanted to do.

I'm going to tell you shortly, because otherwise we're going to be too long.

But I really wanted to do a lot of stuff from the Netherlands.

One of the Peter R. de Vries Foundation, recently also put it in the blank.

They wrote out some money for it.

And I had contacted them and asked if they had any more information.

We would like to give them a tip in the next episode about the case.

And then also the tip that you say, this is the tip.

I would like to share that very much.

So I'm going to tell Kelly about the case.

Maria van der Zanden, can you give me more info? This is the plan.

And Kelly answers that very quickly.

I think you probably have a thousand better things to do.

And says, look, you can find all the info on the website.

I don't think my father has ever made an episode about it.

Because I had a lot of questions about it.

A lot of success. So a short message.

I thought, oh yes, with what I find on the website, I'm not going to touch it.

And one day later, breaking news.

Maria van der Zanden, Arlie Gaum, was found.

She actually found it in 1994, right after her disappearance.

But in Germany.

Arlie Gaum found it anonymously.

She found it anonymously.

And through recent research,

thanks to the push of the Peter R. De Vries Foundation,

there is a match found over the country border.

So I sent it to Kelly.

What a coincidence that I just thought, oh, I'm going to look at you on the website.

And she said, look, of course I already knew what was going on.

So I stayed short.

Because I couldn't say it.

Because I couldn't say anything yet.

But yes, next time.

Very nice that the case is solved.

But I had to look for a new case.

And I thought, oh, I'm going to look at some true crime documentaries.

So one of them was on my list for a long time.

There was a documentary called Bowling for Columbine.

It's just on YouTube.

It's an old documentary.

At the beginning of 2000, it won a lot of prizes.

You can watch it on YouTube for free.

And after I looked at it, I knew, OK, I want to do this case very much.

The documentary I had.

The documentary is about the Columbine shootings,

the case we're going to bring today.

But actually about weapons in America in general.

And how crazy it is.

And why the Americans are mostly on weapons.

So it's very fascinating.

And how quickly they arrived.

The crazy thing is that the documentary from 2002 is super relevant.

Absolutely.

But that brought me to the Columbine shootings.

It was a lot, this case.

So I think we might be able to guess.

Look, we're going to continue a bird flight now.

There is a lot of material to be found as a documentary.

So if you want to know more about it, the Internet is full of it.

And we're just going to review the essence.

Yes, but indeed here are books about writing documentaries about it.

You can go deeper in here.

Well, you know us.

It's more than a Wikipedia page that we're going to bring today.

But it's still not over yet.

And to bring that in one episode, that's not going to happen.

Well, let's get started.

Okay.

Let's take a look at where we are.

We are in Columbine, Colorado.

Known for the Rocky Mountains.

And they are also visible from the village.

It's the last village before the mountains really shoot in the air.

What else do I want to say about that?

It's a very Catholic village.

There are a lot of churches.

Everyone has a good relationship with the church.

Everyone has their own church where their social life is built around it.

Further, there are people working with sports

that are often related to high school.

Related teams, there are also malls and so on.

Isn't there a lot to experience?

I've heard that there are a lot of retired people living in Columbine.

It's a beautiful nature.

It's a bit of a waiting boat.

It's a bit of a waiting boat of the States.

And it's also true that most inhabitants are conservative

or no, they are Republican.

And what it was like, Columbine's shooting took place in the 90s.

At that time, everyone already had a GSM.

So that means that people who lived there had money.

It was a rich suburb.

And children were getting cars from their parents to go to school.

So yes, there was money.

It wasn't a retired neighborhood or village.

No, there lived the middle class.

The good, better rich classes.

The schools in Columbine, the public schools,

I found a website where they were great.

But that's all 23, 20, of course.

They are very high-ranked.

Columbine High School is currently getting four stars.

So there are also schools that get five stars.

It's on five, not on five.

Columbine now has one of the best academic reputations

of the State of Colorado.

Because 80% of the students are going to continue to study.

So that's a lot.

What else did I find about those schools?

That in 1995 there was a whole transformation.

So that's actually on a kind of side,

on the side of an extended park,

in the shadow of the Rocky Mountains.

Beautiful, I think.

The school is less beautiful.

It's a big modern building.

It's 250,000 square meters.

A solid construction.

I've read a lot on the outside.

Few windows.

And it would look like a factory.

But there's also a reason behind it.

Why is that?

Because the people would be very practical in Columbine.

And they thought, look, we want to invest money in education.

We're going to focus on architecture,

that it's not a high station,

but we just want all the money,

as well as possible, to be able to support local computers,

video production facilities,

the best teachers.

So they are there for a student.

I understand, but you do have to continue your life every day.

That's true.

Every day of your life.

It's also getting cuter.

It's becoming a kind of renovation,

surveillance cameras.

And that's just because the director wants to know

in the cafeteria that he wants to know

who the case is.

Very innocent.

But it will be very meaningful.

Exactly.

Let's zoom in on some people.

Columbine High School.

I have it as my first form, Eric David Harris.

He was born on April 9, 1981.

In Wichita, Kansas.

Kansas? Kansas.

Sorry, I have to show you.

It's not in Colorado.

It's because the family of Eric Ailville

needs to renovate.

His father is at the United States Air Force

and he's being replaced by military bases.

So the family renovates again and again.

In 1995, they moved to Columbine

where Eric goes to high school as a freshman.

That's the third middle school, I think.

That's the first year of high school.

14 to 15, indeed.

So he's a freshman.

What do you know about him?

He had friends at school.

He did it well at school.

He was smart.

He was in the football team.

During his first two years.

He had a friend, Tiffany.

But that's over.

Further...

No, tell me.

I've heard that he's quite popular.

He flirts with the girls.

He has the brains.

But he's cool.

He smokes. He drinks a little.

Super cool.

He deserves it.

The cool guys.

Yes, one of the guys.

Now he's wearing the baggy cargo pants.

You mean that time or now?

That's the question.

But does it have to do with the house?

Yes, I get it.

I've lived in the same place.

I could go to the same school.

But I can imagine that it's not easy

to get back to your 14th grade

and then to your 14th, 15th grade

with puberty in a new school.

Yes, always starting new.

But to get back to the brains

but also the cool guy.

He was the rebel.

He called himself a rebel.

But he did his homework

and always had 10 out of 10.

Those are the people

who I didn't know how to find at school.

I think you said

get out of an exam

and say you're going to graduate

and then get 98%

98% wouldn't have been possible.

You just appreciate yourself.

I appreciate myself very much.

How come you don't do that now?

Yes, but I don't have to do exams anymore.

But now you're saying...

You mean for a live show?

Yes, but you can't measure that.

I did know when I got out of an exam

I was wondering if I was going to graduate.

Yes, I was always on my neck.

That was a lot.

But that was always a feeling.

I'm glad.

I still have a diploma.

Profession.

When I was 12

before I was in high school

he learned to know Dylan Kleibolt

at the school where he went to.

I knew that somewhere

but in the middle of the first two years

it wasn't high school

but middle school

and then they were already living in Columbine.

But that was a different school.

Yes, that's right.

That's where he learned to know Dylan.

That's already in the area.

Okay, let's talk about Dylan.

That's Dylan Bennett Kleibolt.

He was born on 11 September 1981

in Lakewood, Colorado.

His parents are Thomas and Sue Kleibolt.

Thomas was an engineer.

Sue worked together with children with a diploma.

Those two were also religious and pacifists.

And Dylan is also considered a very smart child.

But it seems to Eric that he is a little bit back

he is a little more relieved.

Sometimes it is difficult to make friends.

But his parents don't worry about it.

They already have the basic things.

It's just a typical child.

Some children are introverted, others are extraverted.

So yes, they become friends.

Dylan tries.

Yes, he looks up to Eric.

What do they do afterwards?

Eric says, oh yes, I also know my filter

and Dylan says, I'm going to do that too.

Yes, but I understand it.

When you are an intimate person

and you have a very good band with someone

who is more spoken of, then you draw on it.

I agree.

Yes, yes, yes.

And that's what I do at home.

And then I have to go.

They hold each other.

What I think about it is that actually

thanks to Eric, Dylan is also known by other people

and there is a real friend group.

At that school, even when she went to Columbine

in the last year when she was in Columbine

they would work together in a pizzeria.

Blackjack pizza.

Yes, it will be.

In such a mall too.

Yes, really.

Eric is really good at that.

Because he thinks, but now I can flirt with the girls

when they come here and get a pizza.

Eric, this makes me think a lot about that scene

and that's Stranger Things.

Is that a 2 or 3 in the S?

Yes, yes, yes.

With the director of Yuma Termini.

Yes, yes, yes.

And Eric thinks it's good that he became a shift leader.

Hopla.

Hopsa.

What else do I have here?

Oh yes, we already know that they are smart

but they were also completely into gadgets,

computers, video games.

Everything that was new technology

they were amazed.

They were also busy with building websites

and also videos.

They also made a lot of videos.

They did it at school, followed the lessons.

Yes, it seems like a very nice high school

to go there.

The hobbies that they were able to do

were super wide.

They had the one...

In the background they said

so that video material that they could use

that was free of charge

and they also get very often a school assignment

of making a movie.

It seems like fun.

That's things that I never did on Middelbar.

And they also did

extra sport hobby bowling.

Yes, very good.

Yes, sorry.

Hello, my Middelbar.

Why couldn't I bowl?

I did read their bowling lessons

to save 7 o'clock in the morning.

I don't like it.

Ergys on the afternoon was fun.

So they did it several times a week

instead of a sport lesson bowling.

Very funny.

The only small downside to high school

that I found was that there was a huge

culture of clowns.

The typical example that we have

from high school films from America

is that you have the clown

of the popular sport recipes

and then the emo kids

and then the geeks.

That was very hard to deal with.

And there were a lot of young people

who didn't listen to the athletes

but heard the popular students

feel that the popular students

were also taught by teachers.

You know, in America

you have to pay a lot

if you go to a big university

and the athletes often get a scholarship

which brings you to a good university

which the high school also delivers

because they can all go to an Ivy League school.

So that they were a bit ahead

by teaching the athletes a bit less.

Yes, that's a lot less.

Now that we have studied

and talked about it,

Erik was not what he wanted to do

even though he had the brains

and was interested in a lot of things.

But Dylan had

a nice future for himself.

He would also go to the university

he would become a computer engineer.

He even accepted

from different schools.

And he even

drove with his father to Tucson

for four days

to look for a spot there

and he had searched it all up.

So he would actually

go to the University of Arizona.

And in the summer he would start there.

His mother would soon

pay for the first study money.

We are in 1999

because I don't know if you already said that.

Sorry for that.

Sorry for that.

We are in 1999 at the moment.

The last months

of their middle school career.

Yes, indeed.

But the last few days,

friends did notice

that both of them were going to spy

and missed tests.

And Dylan often falls asleep

in the classroom.

But they

can't really

understand what's going on.

And now we know that

both of them are building websites

and there is also a

blog

by Erik.

Erik likes an online blog

that's

these are the things

that we found later.

That was not an influencer

who had hundreds of thousands

of visitors on his website.

We are the early stages of the internet.

That was pretty private.

If you knew where it was

but it's not like

we are all a gossip girl.

Everybody lies.

On that blog

they started from 1997

to post about

what was going on.

What was going on?

We know that

as a rebel,

in the first instance they were talking about

cataclysm.

They went off

and they also called it

the rebel missions.

It sounds very hard

as the middle-aged puber boys.

That blog was

mainly made out of mission logs.

Now

from

1997

Erik would

be more angry

about the society on that website.

And at the end of

1997

he even had instructions

to place explosives.

He's smart.

He knows how to deal with it.

I don't know how to start with that.

Dylan

was interested in it.

They started experimenting

to make a bomb.

He wanted

nobody involved.

It was about

being able to make a bomb.

Let's try this.

In the first instance he made

a pipe bomb.

The instructions were easy to find online.

A pipe bomb is

an iron or metal

tube that is

closer to each other

than it used to be.

Therein is a certain explosive,

like a buscruise,

but you can put

everything you want in it.

You can say that these boys are 16 years old

and that they can just buy it.

There is a small opening

in the house

or at the end of the day

for electricity

for a generator.

That's mainly Eric's

idea to build it.

But as I said

there are few visitors

at the moment.

Nobody really cares.

Until August 1997

a blog post

where

some of Eric's

fantasies

come up.

Everything I want to do

is as much as possible

of killing and killing

especially a few people.

There is

one name

Brooks Brown.

He is a classmate of him.

So the parents of Brooks

see that.

He even sees it in the click.

People

from all over the world

who read the blog post

will surf to the website.

They know that.

It is noticed

that the name is mentioned.

The parents of Brooks

will also see it under eye.

They think this is too far.

Brooks and Eric are friends

and maybe the first one

is quite the other one.

So they go to

the sheriff

on August 7th.

They make a complaint

and say this is what happened.

A police agent

writes it down

and asks

maybe we should do a little

house-seeking at Eric's house.

It is sent to the judge.

But it is fixed.

There is no house-seeking.

The complaint is not

continued.

The blog post is

online.

There is nothing else to do.

Fast forward to

January 30th, 1998.

A year and a half later

Eric and Dylan are arrested

because they have committed a crime

in a white bush.

They have stolen race

and computer equipment.

They blame

the warden.

The warden has

a juvenile diversion program.

So it is

good for Americans.

It is improved.

They had to follow

the instructions

of the warden.

In the end, they

behave very well.

They quickly participate

with the lessons.

So they are

removed from the program

and they are released for free.

But

despite all the lessons

and their positive behaviour

Eric and Dylan's

advice remains.

They develop

a certain plan

and they also want to

work out a fantasy.

They decide

the ideal location

for their school.

So

we are going to start

the plan.

Let's say

the last push

was the arrest

according to

the program.

They are angry.

They are still angry.

Then they start

to fantasize

what they can do

to take out their anger.

I don't know if you can call it that.

They are still

16 or 17 at the moment

at the arrest.

They are very young.

They are young people

who focus their lives

on middle school.

They write a kind of script

which is a real film.

It consists of three acts.

We will see

all three of them.

The first act

is the beginning of their plan.

They plan a big

explosion

in the neighborhood

where Erik lives.

They want

a bomb to explode

which they will make

and which they only serve

as a guide.

So that the services

go to the bomb

and see what happens.

So that they win time

to take out the second act.

There are more bombs

in their middle school.

They are going to stop

different bombs

from the whole school.

Erik has made a detailed

diagram

of when and where the bombs

have to go.

They have concentrated

around lunch time.

Erik had said

that the bombs had to go

to 11.17

because according to

his calculations

the students would

be there.

There were two bombs

that would be there.

Each bomb was full of spikes

and grenades.

There was also a timer.

Each bomb was in a big

sports bag.

They would

sleep with them

on the campus.

Their idea was

that the bombs would explode

and create a fireball.

So that all the people

who would be in the cafeteria

would be killed.

And that the school

would be put on fire.

He also said

that he would

place the bombs

in a way that would

create a part of the ceiling.

So total chaos.

It's nice to know

that the ground floor

is the cafeteria and above

there are classrooms and libraries.

They think there will be

a lot of people.

So in their wildest imagination

the ceiling would fall down

and they would have people

in the library.

While the

bombs would run

the students would

walk outside

and spread over the parking

place. And what is important

is that on the one hand the senior

parking is.

The senior students.

And on the other hand

the junior parking is

for the younger students.

They would walk

to each other

to see

the firing

radius.

So that as many people

can shoot.

Yes, they are based on

the plan of the camp.

That is a solid tactic

apparently taught by

the US Army.

And that you are indeed

counting what your flight routes are

of your goal.

And that you cover it.

Because they are all at different

exits, they of course count on the

school that is on fire.

They hope that the ceiling will fall down.

And with the space where they were

they would be able to

cover more than 20 exits.

And they also have semi-automatic

weapons with them.

So they say look,

perfect set of this

from Act 1 actually.

And then there is Act 2.

And then they call it Fire Time.

So Dylan would

have an Intratec-DC-9 with him.

But you say that very well.

If I am right.

A 9mm semi-automatic pistol.

The weapons

lovers would know

what that is.

They also have a hunting rifle with them.

Erik had a high-point

9mm carbine

and a hunting rifle.

And they would also have the

walk of the rifles so that

they could cover it better.

But we have heard that.

Exactly. Together they would have

80 bearable explosives with them.

Under which they would have

fire bombs, cold-dioxide bombs

that Erik Riekel used to call them.

Then they would also have

Molotov cocktails.

And a lot of women would still

come from man to man

in the case of that.

They would also have a harness.

Where they would have

a lot of ammunition.

And explosives.

They would also have a backpack

and duffel bags.

To pull Lucifer off.

And they would have

put them on a arm.

A Lucifer strip.

To put Molotov cocktails on.

And they would have fire bombs.

And they would have

fire bombs.

And they would also have

long black jackets.

The last one they would have

to cover all the weapons.

And they also wanted to look

sturdier.

And they would then

fall into the building.

As soon as the bombs would explode.

And then

they would start shooting.

Yes.

There is another third act.

And it takes 45 minutes

after the first explosion

in the lunchroom.

So they give themselves

a big 40 minutes

to shoot

in the hallway.

And they would then

shoot a lot of people

to death.

After 45 minutes

they would, in the car of Eric

a Honda and in the car of Dylan

a BMW,

shoot a bomb.

They would also have a timer.

They would count on that

after 45 minutes

the parking would be full.

Ambulances, police, hopefully

journalists.

Live recordings.

And in the last act

thanks to the car bombs

those people could still

take the life.

They did a little calculation.

So there are 2,000 students

who are going to take the life.

150 professors,

teachers, employees.

And then all the extras

that they hope are the police,

paramedics and journalists.

And what is important

is that they think

after half a year

about the shooting.

They would have

the time and location

after a year

before the

slaughter.

That would be April 1999.

So in that cafeteria

they would start

in the public space.

And they would have

just before they would do it

that it would be on April 19

that date

to be fixed

if it were.

I have the last weekend

for that Monday

April 19.

Friday, April 16

starts the school day

with a speech

from the school director.

That's obviously a bit weak.

I can't imagine that we have

a film like that.

And the director

takes the Friday

of April

using the opportunity

to push all students to the heart

that they all want to die

and that they all want to live

on a new day at school.

Is that man very visible?

No, but Saturday

on April 17 there was prom planned.

And he

has a lot of

students

who came into an accident

by drinking and driving

after prom or on the way to prom.

And he actually wants to

use the opportunity of his speech

to say to the students

I want you all to be careful.

I see you all, I want you all to live

on a new day at school.

I don't want to lose anyone.

So that's how the day begins

also by Eric and Dylan.

That evening they have a shift

in the blackjack pizza

and that evening

Eric is promoted to

manager.

He seems happy with it

and after their shift

they ask him to pay cash

because they have plans

with the money

which he thinks is nice, tomorrow is prom

but their plans were of course

to buy weapons and ammunition

because that man couldn't know.

Then Friday evening they go bowling

that was so hot

on Friday evening.

It's rock n' bowl every Friday.

And you would think

that those two

in the book that we read

they were quite normal

their average scores were 115

and 108.

But apparently it wasn't

super good.

I would be happy.

They go home

and that evening Eric fixed himself

prom night because he wasn't

there was a lot of stress

there was a lot of stress

but Suzanne says yes to the phone.

Saturday night in April

the boys go to the prom

with the rhythm of limo

for drink

they all do that together with their friends.

Very strange.

The prom is in the Denver Design Center

in the village a sort of big hall.

But there is an after prom

at school in the gym room

and there is a

after prom.

You don't want to go to school

but you still go for

the after party of the location.

And that's Casino Night with the theme

New York.

And Eric and Dylan

spent more time there

with a nice evening

in the gym room.

And then Monday

April 19

the day Judgment Day

a plan wants to carry out.

But

April 19

comes and goes.

The director sees all his students

alive and well.

But what was the problem now?

Why wasn't their plan

going through?

Eric found that he still

didn't have enough munitions

and we see that

during such preparations

the boys are not 18 yet

so they bought weapons or munitions.

So they brought in other people

like a friend

Robin

who bought three of the four weapons.

But

Zana didn't tell

what they were planning

but that was just for the hunt.

And what is typical in that statue

is hunting is a very, very big deal.

So they were able to figure out

what they were looking for?

Yes, so it wasn't

looking for anything else.

Now, via

a drug dealer, Mark Mainz

they came to the Tech 9

but

they didn't come with that munition

and Eric had something like

we can't do anything with it

and I really want to have it.

In the end, Mark says

on April 19th

I found it in the Kmart

I have two boxes here

with each box of 50 bullets

and I bought 25 dollars

here it is.

Fun fact, Eric was 18

so he could already do it.

But it didn't work out.

I want to make a little surprise

why they

thought

why they

took the day

on April 19th

They are not sure

because

that has never been said

but it's a coincidence.

There are two special events

in America

on April 19th

The first is

on April 19th 1993

then a

Steynov, who lasted

51 days

with an official

faith leader

but actually a cult leader

in Waco, Texas

there was a miscommunication

and in some cases

although the inhabitants

were not in safety

of those cults

and they were killed

and burned

many people

took the event

to radicalize

as anti-government

movement

so many people

called that day

as a kind of party

anti-government

something that is connected

with the world view

that Eric and Dylan have

and also on April 19th

but in 1995

La Jolla City

was bombed

there was a government building

that was bombed

by militants

and there are 168 people

who brought life

it's the biggest terrorist attack

until that day

so on April 19th

it is seen again as a kind of

anti-government

movement

so on April 19th

in the midst of people who are against the society

as a kind of party

Eric and Dylan

chose that day

they deliberately made those two events

they did not see it

they fantasized about going against the current

so that could be a explanation

why it should have happened on April 19th

now

so it was on April 20th

and

Dylan and Eric

stood as usual very early

Dylan was

on half six

or even earlier and he left

his parents were still in bed

he called again

and pulled the door behind him

then you had to make your parents worried

if you are 17 years old

now they did the bowling lesson

and went to work

because that is something

that comes back later

is the idea that they are still going to

bowl

bowling for Columbine

because it took a long time

that they did not beat that class

but they did not come out

but according to plan

they had to be there

they said that they were going to work

the first stop was the shop

where they came together

to buy the last things

I find it very funny

they always had that munition

with Eric at home

but apparently

those two bombs for the cafeteria

they had really big tanks needed

and Eric had a grudge that

they were going to explode

so they wanted to buy that last minute

that is again about an idea

so around seven o'clock

they went back to Eric's house

and then they went to Eric's house

Eric took care of the last details

about the bombs

Dylan went to get petrol

and then they gave them half an hour

to put the bombs together

to make the cars ready

an hour for the last equipment check

to do some exercises

and then to chill and eat

the basic needs

have to be fulfilled

and now

in the meantime the school is already busy

we already knew

that they were going to skip a class

but never in the whole morning

that is really disappointing

now

it is eleven o'clock

and Eric and Dylan are going

to the school

Dylan took a cargo break

a black t-shirt with RAV

and he turned a pad

backwards

as usual

so those cargo bags

were the proof

but a lot of bags

and there is actually the biggest part

of the damaged shotgun

so that it can be hidden

and then he took a long black jacket

on an Eric also has a t-shirt

and there it is on natural selection

very bad choice

they all have two black clothes

and they split

one pair of black gloves

so the right glove

was on Eric's hand

and the left one was on Dylan's hand

almost romantic

and they also cut off the top case

now

they have actually left with two separate cars

they are first

going to drop off Leidingsbom

in that field

and they put the timer there for

eleven o'clock fourteen

then they jumped in a car

they went away to the school

and now they had to go home

because they were already behind

because they couldn't

place the bombs

before the lunch would start

because the teeth would fall off

they were doing that with the duffel bags

there were cameras

and they knew

we had to place them

when there was already people

now

the hour

the last school

the class hour before the people went to the lunch

would end at eleven o'clock

so as soon as the bell rang

they had seven minutes

to put the bombs inside

because they wanted it to end

at eleven o'clock seventeen

because there would be

most of the people

and oh no

seven minutes to place them

and to be outside

indeed

now at eleven o'clock ten

Eric drives that car

he sits a few minutes behind

and as you can see

he is also in a car

he drives it in a car

he drives it in a car

Eric drives it in a car

when there is nothing in his hands

when Eric's out

does he come across

someone special

Brooks Brown

the person you wrote a blog post

Brooks Brown

and he has already joined

Brooks is out smoking

He said, what's wrong with you at a test in psychology?

You're not coming up.

And Erik answered, and he says, it doesn't really matter anymore.

But Brooks, I like you.

Go away now, go to your house.

And Brooks had the same rules as last year.

He was allowed to eat outside the school.

Brooks had plans to go outside the school last year.

So he doesn't think about it anymore.

Brooks had the same rules as last year.

It's 11.12 p.m.

and they're taking their cars to the Duffelbecks

and going inside.

It's 11.14 p.m. and they're walking inside the cafeteria.

Yes, they're walking inside.

It means three minutes to install the bombs.

Yes, and nobody noticed him

with those big, thin bags.

I think that's remarkable.

Later, it turned out that one of the bags

was found on a few centimetres away from the two tables

where food was on the table.

So people were at that moment

eating while the bags were still there.

And nobody was eating.

And then they placed the bombs

and they went outside again

and took the bombs.

And then they waited until the bombs were gone.

Until 11.17 p.m.

and then it was 11.18 p.m.

and Eric realized that the bombs weren't working.

Yes, and what's also remarkable is

that the bomb was gone.

They thought it was gone.

Everybody went there.

It wasn't gone either.

But that's what they know at that moment.

So he thinks at that moment

that those two bombs

didn't go into the gym,

but they certainly didn't go into the gym

because they went to my other bomb.

So it was 11.18 p.m. and they realized that the bomb didn't work.

Eric said within two minutes,

we're going to the A2, it hasn't been lost yet.

So they took all their weapons with them.

And then they went to the school.

They chose the stairs to the west.

And they were noticed for the first time

by students at 11.19 p.m.

On the stairs, they opened the bags

where all their weapons were in.

They didn't cut off the shotguns,

but the shotguns were really on top of their jackets.

This is option two.

I have option one in my hand and option two on my back.

They left their semi-automatic weapons.

And then they decided to start.

Eric is the one who opened the fire first.

So you go...

I suspect that a kind of long-distance walk

is towards the school.

They walk towards it.

They go here and there, bombs.

There are various people on the grass.

Because it's lunchtime.

And the first group they came across

is Rachel Scott and her friend Richard Castaldo.

They're eating their lunch on the grass.

Eric rips his weapon on Richard.

He gets hit in his torso and his arms.

Rachel gets hit in her chest and head.

She dies immediately.

Richard dies already.

Very smart.

Very smart.

That's true, but I don't know if you know about the reflexes.

Yes, but that's why you have the reflex to say

to make that thought of doing what you're doing when you're dead.

Yes.

Eric goes further towards the school.

He comes just before the entrance to a group of three boys.

Danny, Lance and Sean.

Yes, they were there to smoke.

They had seen how Dylan and Eric had shot,

but they thought they were playing a game.

Or that it was one of their senior pranks.

Yes, BB Gunn, so far.

They actually walked towards Eric and Dylan

to get closer to the action.

Dylan goes ahead.

He walked up his stairs.

I think Eric and Dylan were still on the stairs at that moment.

And Eric turns around while Dylan walks up the stairs.

He fires at Danny.

And he gets hit in his left knee and the bullet goes through.

He bursts. He starts to fall.

Eric fires again and again and again and again.

And while Danny is still together,

he also got a second bullet in his chest and a third in his belly.

And the top bullet, which went through him in his chest,

which means that his heart has been broken right away.

So it was immediately stopped by the pump.

And the third shot, which went through his belly,

has shot his liver and stomach.

And he's 15 and dies immediately.

And Lance tries to catch Danny, while Danny falls down.

But Lance also realizes that he has also touched him several times

in my chest, in my leg, in my knee, in my foot.

So Lance also falls down,

he touches outside consciousness, but still lives at that moment.

And Sean thinks, man, I'm a prank, is that it?

He just doesn't keep going.

You're just so fucking naive.

Yes, but you realize that too, you don't think that...

But naive is not the bad thing about the word,

but you're young, you don't think that something like that can happen.

Exactly. And he was still convinced

that it was a pain ball fight,

and that they were part of the game.

And then he suddenly feels a few pricks,

but he doesn't realize that he has touched him,

until the pain signals in his chest go away.

And he runs back to the door where they came from,

towards the cafeteria, and he almost took it away.

Until then, his legs actually understood it and he said to each other,

I don't know what's going on, he's got a tranquilizer,

he's shot down with it.

So he doesn't understand what's going on,

and he falls down towards the door of the cafeteria.

And in the meantime, Lance comes back to consciousness,

the second guy who's shot down,

and he feels like there's someone around him.

And he says, look, he even pulls on his pants

and says, help me, please, because I'm shot down.

And where the answer comes from, I will certainly help,

it turns out that it was Eric,

where Eric actually shoots his face in Lance's face.

And Lance describes, he survives,

but he describes how he saw

how pieces of his face flew away,

where he, of course, loses consciousness again.

Now, pieces in the meantime, which was a bit further,

that's also going towards the cafeteria where Sean is at the door,

at the entrance.

But people in the cafeteria have already seen

that something is happening.

That something is happening, and that's why everyone actually runs outside.

But someone tries to pull Sean to the side,

but someone else says, let him lie down, because he's used to it,

and if someone is used to it, they don't move much.

But that means that there's actually a lot

about Sean starting to walk and stab him.

And there's someone else who says, oh, sorry, dude.

So it's not really...

Not really done yet.

...know what's going on there.

Fortunately, there's a concert that comes along,

that Sean rubs, holds his hand,

says that he will stay with him,

but that he has to help to understand those other children.

And he also says, look, play dead.

And that's what Sean did.

Dylan hit him.

Yes, he walked through.

Yes, well, that's actually the beginning.

Outside the school, we're not inside yet.

Yes, indeed.

Then they go inside.

And indeed, the cafeteria has, through the windows,

and through what they're going through,

it's clear that everything is at hand.

So the people in the lunchroom are in total panic.

People start to stop under tables.

People start walking up stairs.

And Coach Sanders, a sports coach, a sports teacher,

is sitting in the teacher's room at the moment.

He hears that everything is at hand

and that he's walking towards the danger.

They are instinctive to help teachers.

They see the worst of the situation.

And he decides to take students with him to the top.

He also says, okay, the danger is down here.

You have to go away here.

I'll take you with me to the top.

Behind him, it turned out that he received more than 488 students

safely on the stairs.

He stayed down on the stairs.

And really, yes, that's what teachers can do.

They can all go up as fast as possible, go up.

Stop there, in a local, close the door.

If you can go away, go to the parking lot.

And in that way, he brought 148 people safely.

The last people who went upstairs from the cafeteria

have still seen Dylan go inside.

But at the moment, Dylan actually comes inside the cafeteria.

And after he played in front of the school,

it was as good as empty.

Yes, and what's striking is that...

It's a school of 250,000 square metres.

There are very few people who already know what's going on.

So, on the first floor,

right next to where all the students come from,

Science Room 3,

where the students were still working on my chemistry test.

And yes, they had heard things,

but they had registered it

when there was someone standing against a window.

They were most irritated by the noise.

Oh my God, I studied for a while, and I concentrated.

What did everyone think about a prank?

Everyone thought it was just a prank.

So they just stayed where they focused on a test.

It's unbelievable.

I heard that your last moment of your life

continues in a chemistry class during a test.

Very good.

So, the attack is still going on for four minutes,

and most of the students are still not on the high ground yet.

So while Coach Sanders led the students to the stage,

there was also a part-time artist, Patty Nielsen,

who was also on the first floor.

She didn't feel any pressure on Sanders.

No, she wasn't on the high ground yet,

because those students were also on the first floor.

But the coach led them to a parallel path to Patty's.

So Patty had no idea what was going on.

While there were 500 students...

They were going to the European stage.

But they heard the noise from the outside.

So they said there were children coming against them.

They said, look, there were shots.

But Patty was irritated again.

They said, of course, it's a joke again,

or a kind of video recording of what's going on here.

And they see someone standing there with a gun.

But they think it's a requisite.

And Patty is already storming, and she says,

I'm going to say it right this time.

I'm going to say that you didn't do that with the guns.

Stop shooting me.

And there was another young student who succeeded,

because he also built a nosey.

The axisine.

The axisine.

But it's, of course, Eric.

He built a spot on Patty and shot.

But Patty still thought it was a BB gun,

until she saw it in the room where the bullet went through.

And then she realized that this is not good.

This is not good.

So they were taken under fire,

but they were hit, but they could come back.

And they stopped in the library.

Now Dave Sanders, our coach,

is listening to where Patty is.

So our hero, Coach Sanders, is running.

He just ran 500 classes.

He thinks, I can still catch something.

Look, he lived for education.

That man was a hero at that school.

So he thinks, OK, I still have to run some students here.

But he's running against Eric.

He's running for it.

He's running for it, and he really wants to turn around.

He wants to go around the corner.

But then, at that moment, he's shot.

He's been hit in his back and neck.

That second bullet comes out through his mouth,

stabbing his tongue at Flaherde,

breaking through the various teeth.

The neck wound, also one of his half-slaughters.

And the shot in his back

caused an important bleeding to the heart.

So there was incredibly much bleeding.

He was quickly transferred to the science room,

where they were still doing the test.

And then Eric says, forget the test.

We're going to...

That really happened.

Really, in cool blood, he said, OK, we're going to stop now.

There's a shooter.

We're doing this.

So Coach Sanders is there,

and he says, I'm not doing so well.

And then, for the time being, he's conscious.

But it's not over yet.

Because there's still the bibliotheque.

Eric and Dylan were actually shot at this moment.

We were told to make as many victims as possible.

We know that Eric has shot a lot.

Dylan hasn't shot a lot at that moment.

But a lot of learning is gone.

They keep walking, but there aren't many people coming.

So they decide to go to the library

because they think they might find people there.

And indeed, in the library, a lot of people are shouting.

So there are 52 students, two teachers and two libraries.

Why is that our pet?

Yes.

No, go on.

I think it's very short

that most victims are missing there.

Exactly.

The first victim missing is the 16-year-old K.L. Velazquez.

Sorry if I'm wrong.

He was at the computers, he also had a disability.

He was hit in the head and in his back.

He's dead immediately.

And then I have a summary of all the victims who are missing.

It's also the 14-year-old Steve Kearnow,

the 17-year-old K.C. Burnell,

the 18-year-old Isaya Scholes,

the 18-year-old Lauren Townsend,

the 16-year-old John Tamlin,

the 16-year-old Kelly Flemming,

the 15-year-old Daniel Mauser,

the 16-year-old Matthew Kechter,

and the 17-year-old Corey de Poerter.

So in the beep,

10 people lost their lives and 12 were killed.

So most victims were missing.

Exactly.

And then they're going to...

They're going to lose their lives.

They're going to go back to the school where they can still make victims.

A point of view of what's happening outside the school wall.

Yes.

We know that the order services

around 11.24 am, have arrived at the parking lot.

The leader there is Deputy Gardner.

So there was no bomb to be dropped in the neighborhood where Erik was.

Erik was on his own, right?

From the order services, actually.

Yes, but there are...

We've been sitting there for a while.

In the beginning of the GSM era,

all the children had a mobile phone in the middle of the school.

And a lot of the 911 calls came from students

who were stopped in the school.

So that's how they got there.

There were some shots, but the end of the situation

was only when students from the school came to the police station

to say, hello, I've been locked up in a classroom

because someone is shooting around here.

Yes, because Neil Gardner, Deputy Gardner,

gets a report from Female Down.

Yes, someone was shot down.

No, he thinks at that moment, okay, someone was shot down.

Oh, okay.

There was someone on the parking lot,

until he went down the street.

And then...

And then more reports.

So he was the Deputy...

He worked for the school, if that's the case.

Even he didn't know...

Not because there was a shooting.

Okay.

So yes, and then he comes in contact with Erik, right?

Yes, because Erik and Dylan are...

While they were at the cafeteria,

and for the first time they went through the corridors,

but they were there and shot down,

they were outside for a while.

That's the moment when Deputy Gardner comes to the parking lot.

And Erik shoots at him.

He sees him coming and shoots at him.

Gardner stops behind the police car

and takes his own weapon

and decides to open fire on Dylan and Erik.

When he's in court, he sees Dylan walking back inside the school.

He shoots at Erik and he has the impression that he touched him,

because he makes a strange move.

But a few seconds later, Erik starts shooting himself back

at Deputy Gardner.

Sorry, did you write that down before?

Neil, that's what I'm going to keep up with.

On Neil.

And Erik also flies inside.

So it's 11.24.

Then we know that the action of the boys is already five minutes...

Sorry, I forgot.

Five minutes is busy

and then the order services arrive.

All mass.

Yes.

Let's see what else we have here.

The SWAT team also comes to the scene.

And at 12.05 it stops shooting.

But they're still very panicky about what's going to happen here.

So the SWAT team, and that's also remarkable.

So the school has a whole transformation in 1995.

But the plans, the new plans,

have not come to the SWAT team.

Because instead of taking the entrance of the cafeteria

and directly at the...

Yes, at where most victims are, they're going to the other side

of the school and come there behind them,

saying, oh, shit, we're on the wrong side.

But they're already inside and then they have to...

And that's the protocol.

...check every door before they can go any further.

So it takes three hours before they're on the other side.

And in the meantime, they come and help students out there.

And they also come in Science Room No. 3.

And they've already seen them outside beforehand.

Yes, we didn't say that yet.

Along the outside, there was the Science Room No. 3 window.

You could see it on the parking lot.

And someone wrote on a block note, one bleeding to death.

So one person is bleeding through the door.

And that was against the window.

And the SWAT team is using that room for two hours and 15 minutes.

Wait, two hours and 15 minutes.

And...

No, no, no, I was...

Yes, so there comes a coach Sanders team.

He's the one bleeding to death at that moment.

So he's still alive at that moment.

He's already lost so much blood.

But look, they also have a medic with them, the SWAT team.

But just when they arrive at him, he stops his art.

He stops it.

And he dies just when the SWAT team arrives.

And he's actually the only teacher who dies during the shooting.

And then the SWAT team goes on.

I still have some things that happen during the SWAT team's action.

So the SWAT team doesn't know what really happened.

It starts at 11.54 pm.

The regional news with live broadcasting of the facts.

It takes less than 28 minutes before the local television comes.

At that moment, the war in Yugoslavia.

A lot of news is about that.

But after 30 minutes, CNN also starts.

So the big national broadcaster in the United States

is doing live reporting of the case.

There are teachers who have been live on the TV

from the building to 911 on the phone.

They say, don't tell the camera,

because we don't know who you are or what they're watching.

There's a lot of confusion, because a lot of kids have seen someone.

We know how Eric and Dylan were dressed.

But during their murder spree, they took off their uniform.

Every time they changed their clothes, a new dresser appeared.

Someone said, there were two people with long black shirts.

I saw someone without a black shirt.

I saw someone with a black shirt.

At that moment, in the media, there were a lot of daders.

The police also heard that, so they had no idea

that they were looking for two people who were dressed a few times.

And then the absolute deepest point on television at 2.39 pm,

although the black team is still busy,

is that there is a window open at school.

This is live on TV.

Every movement is shown in the picture.

Patrick Ireland is a teacher live on TV.

He's under the blood. He was wounded, shot down.

He had brain damage, which made him unconscious sometimes.

He had been there for almost two hours to get to the room.

He heard there was help. He probably heard the police.

And he was unconscious.

There was communication from people who called him.

But the black team that was down on the ground

wasn't ready to catch him, but Patrick just jumped out of the window.

At that moment, there was a live broadcast on TV,

where the news anchors had to say,

if there are children watching, you turn off the best TV.

So Patrick jumped out of the window live.

People couldn't catch him well.

He kept on complaining about it,

but they didn't know if it was due to shooting or due to miscommunication.

He's now known as the boy in the window.

The boy in the window.

Oh, yes.

When you think of the images of Naini Levin.

Exactly. I had to think about it.

Now it's getting a little further.

That's why they check every door,

because they don't know how many there are.

There's a lot of miscommunication.

We're in the high days of live television, but that's not helping.

No, no, no.

Now, at 3.15 pm, they finally arrive in the library.

And there they see all the victims of all the victims.

But they also see two other victims,

and they immediately see these are the perpetrators.

What actually happened earlier?

We had the victim party in the library.

Erik and Dylan went back through the school building.

And they went back to the library,

because there was no one else there.

There was a lot, but well stopped.

Exactly.

And I said at 12.05 pm,

we heard them, of course, no more shooting.

Because what seems to be true is that they committed suicide

when it was 49 minutes after the attack.

Yes, this is also true.

So Erik is sitting with his back against a bookcase,

and then he shot himself through his mouth.

And Dylan put himself on his knees,

and shot himself through his left sleep with his Tec-9.

And it was, for the SWAT team,

it was immediately clear that these two were the perpetrators.

Now, in the meantime, there is also a research team

that is immediately coming to the back to talk about who is actually going to be here.

And there are already quick reports coming at the research team.

Look, unfortunately, we don't know who the perpetrators are.

I have Nate Daikman.

He was also one of the last year students,

and he was going home every day to go to Nunchen.

On the way home, Erik had seen the parking lot.

And he remembered that Erik didn't remember the day in the lesson.

It was strange that Erik was walking around on the parking lot all of a sudden.

Nate is at home.

The television goes on for 28 minutes,

all of a sudden, after a shooting at his school.

And he got nervous.

And from those many reports, the live calls from the school,

there are students who say,

they wore long black jackets and Nate starts thinking,

and he thinks, shit, I think I know who the perpetrators are.

Nate then called the dad of Eric,

to Tom to ask about...

That's from Dylan.

Sorry, from Dylan then?

Yes.

Yes, he called Tom to ask if he was at home.

He apparently works at home.

And he said, you know where Dylan is.

And he said, Dylan is at school.

And Erik said, he wasn't at school in the morning.

He said, you can see him, he's going to look in the bedroom,

if he's there, so Tom does that to look at him.

But Erik, sorry, Dylan isn't there.

And then Nate asks, look at the dad,

and that really has to be true, he's 17, 18 years old.

Look, that shooting is busy.

They talk about the long black jacket,

you can see if the long black jacket is from Dylan at home.

And Dylan's dad is going to the bedroom

and finds out he's not wearing the jacket.

And then he called 911 himself to say

that I think my son is one of the shooters.

He called and then he called an advocate.

What a very clever choice.

Very clever choice.

But it really has to be true,

if you're a child, you have to be happy.

Absolutely.

So they finally know,

they come quickly, those two names are up there,

and the agents are sent to Dylan's house.

And Erik's parents had already heard what was going on,

so they were also at home.

And they didn't want to cooperate with the police

when they arrived at home.

They tried to refuse that they didn't come in.

They didn't want to come in.

But the agents kept going.

They could actually come in,

and they found the other part of the shotgun that was missing.

There was still a lot of ammunition on the bed,

the cut off fingertips of the gloves,

firework, materials to make bombs.

And of course, they found a page from the book,

the anarchist cookbook,

then at Dylan's house.

Tom and his wife, pacifists,

they thought, come in, they want to cooperate right away.

They are very communicative.

Tom actually has a whole bio of Dylan,

of what the young people have done in his life,

of his friendships.

And he says, yes, with me, Dylan was just a good family.

I didn't keep it up.

I had a good bond with him.

Also Sue writes there a son as extremely happy.

Tom was against weapons,

and he thought that Dylan had an agreement with him

that he also shared that opinion to a certain extent.

And he was convinced that no weapons would be found

or explosives in the house.

But they did find paper bombs, ultimately.

So then you have to be extremely...

Then you have to be so secretive.

You think your child knows?

Exactly, exactly.

Tom was in shock, of course.

And he kept saying, Dylan is okay.

I mean, he bought 911,

but of course you keep getting to know him.

He kept thinking, I should have known something

if something was wrong.

And what Tom and Sue do,

because during the house-seeking, they actually leave the house,

because their house is treated as a crime scene.

So they give the plants water, they give a cat food,

and then they go to a hotel.

That would be so you.

That would be me, yeah.

So they actually did a simple search

in the police computer system.

And what did they come up against?

Out of the files in the case,

that's part of the reason why they used weapons.

That was the case.

But also the report of the parents of Brooks,

that there has always been a threat

that Eric wanted to kill someone.

But yeah, they never did anything with it,

so they said,

do we have to make this known now or not?

So they stay there a bit...

Yeah, they stay there a bit behind the scenes,

and that happens later on.

So they have a dader, but they are dead.

But of course everyone wants to know why.

So let's talk about the possible motives.

Indeed, as I said, we are with two dead daders,

two teenagers, but some things are known,

but deep in their brain, we have never been able to look at them.

There are a number of things found

after the fact that we can give them a bit of direction.

Both boys had written diary books,

which they have been writing since 1997.

In Dylan's diary, as well as in Eric's diary,

it all started in November of the year before

people came from, I want people to die,

I want a large group of people to die.

Dylan wrote in his diary,

one side his personal problems,

the other side he fantasizes about what he would do

if his people would kill him.

At school, there was a lot of creative writing,

where you had to write fictional stories or essays.

And the boys had written a lot last year,

where there was a lot of violence

about one of the two pieces.

I didn't write who had written an essay,

where he was the standpoint of the bullets

during a school shooting.

And what appears in the yearbook of the year before ten,

Dylan had written in the yearbook of Eric,

about not waiting for our plan to be executed

and to kill people.

So he actually gave it to us in the yearbook of what we are going to do.

The most striking thing was,

where this is also known to be the case,

the Basement tapes.

That's the title of five video tapes that were found after the facts.

Two of them, and a part of the third, have never been released.

The others are all destroyed.

They are first to the family and the media.

Weird choices, but okay.

I wrote down what happens in the tapes.

The first one is Hitman for Hire.

That's a short film they made for a school assignment.

The assignment was to show a local company

and make a advertising spot for it.

They had thought of an advertising company for an hour.

They had made a commercial film

where they could change all the posters.

Exactly.

You can easily say that this is problematic,

but if we want to take it out, we have 112 copies.

That could be possible.

That's hard.

Rampart Rage is a film in which they explain what they're going to do

and what their plans are.

The third film is called Radioactive Clothing.

I already pitched you there, sorry, it's a very funny...

I can't call it that, but it's a very funny plot.

It's also a fictional film where a nuclear attack on America happens.

And because of that nuclear attack, clothing comes to life.

And in the hands of the typical groups

in the middle school, they bring the clothing to life.

That must be a bit funny.

There are five tapes, the next one is also called that.

It's actually half an hour before they start their plan

where they apologize to their friends and their family,

where they say goodbye.

But also, sorry for the hassle.

So not...

Where they say, I hope it's not too much trouble.

I mean, our parents won't get too much trouble with that.

So not really sorry for what we're going to do,

but rather sorry for the practical mess.

Exactly, exactly.

The tapes are actually just...

It's obvious that after that time,

my family wrote a piece about it,

because they saw it as a journalist.

And then a lot of pressure was put on them.

So they let go of a part of it,

probably the least harmful.

But the two who are destroyed,

they did write a text, but they never shared it.

And they suspect, or at least people suspect,

that most disturbing things were shared with them.

Yes.

Yes, what's often said is that they were outcasts

and they were loners and they had no friends

and they were bullied.

And of course, there was tension between the sports guys and them.

But Erik and Dylan were also bullied on their behalf.

So that's a bit of a mistake, why they...

There has certainly been bullying,

but there were no two loners.

They had a group of friends who took part in sport activities.

You know, Friday Night Lights, football, they went there to support them.

They were on prom, they had dates.

They saw girls, they had a job in the mall.

They were certainly not isolated.

So they certainly couldn't be separated.

But they did play a role in mental issues anyway.

I don't know if you've already said that,

but they're actually going to the FBI

to find out that Erik had a psychopathy mark

and that Dylan actually followed him.

But there are also theories that say that Dylan wasn't the follower.

But he was just depressed.

He didn't want to live anymore.

So they were still bullying him.

And I'm happy to say that the followers were...

Well, with the fact that they were bullied,

yes, there were so many children.

But we can't look at them in the head.

And a puberbrain is super difficult to follow.

There's already a lot to play,

but I think that we indeed have the psychological problem

that both, in every way, had played the biggest role.

I think that we definitely have to force two pistols,

namely one of the video games,

to the introduction of this school shooting.

What certainly wasn't the worst in America and wasn't the first.

But there were real talks here,

because they both liked to play video games,

because they often talked about video games

next to their murder plans.

They often made the alludeation of,

yes, it's because they played great games.

There are a hundred million studies that know about it,

so let's stop there with that.

Something else that was linked to it was the listener of heavy metal music,

they were fans of Marilyn Manson.

There's even an interview with him after the fact

that he feels responsible for what's going on.

Well, this is all happening for what's going on about Marilyn Manson,

but that man has nothing to do with this school shooting,

that's what I think we can imagine.

No, I mean, there are so many people listening to that music,

I mean, it's the same as when we say,

well, there are often people who have misused it,

or other things that don't go over to these kinds of things.

So there has to be something else to play, too.

And then, for me,

this is a clinical psychopath who was actually just about to murder people.

In the background, I have the fact that Dylan's parents were actually afraid to bury him,

because they were afraid that the tomb would be buried,

or that people would steal it, or something like that.

So they actually cremated his body and kept it at home.

And Eric's parents, Wayne and Kathy,

would have kept a sort of ceremony for Eric at home,

but they never spoke about it against the press,

so we don't know what Eric's fate was.

It seems like they chose two different ways.

Exactly.

So after the Colombian shooting, we saw that schools in America

were really insanely protected,

like you see on the air, metal detectors.

Unless you have a knife or a knife with you,

it's taken off or you're branded as if this could be dangerous.

Police school, and this was in 1999.

And how many school shootings did they still have?

It's just a suggestion on my side,

but maybe we could just have a string of weapons.

Oh, yes?

Just a suggestion, a small suggestion.

If we had a small suggestion in America, I would put it in here.

You said it already in the beginning.

Bowling for Columbine is a documentary from the beginning of 2000.

It's still relevant.

It's not even more relevant than it used to be.

Yes, it's a wonderful documentary.

It also explains very well that there...

To put it short,

the American life in fear was taught by them.

To live in fear of their neighbour.

And that's why they want to weapon themselves

and don't think, maybe I have to recognize my neighbour.

Yes, it's so ingrained from childhood.

After the documentary, I finally understand

more than the reasons why you have to weapon yourself.

I understand more of, wow, that's so ingrained.

You really have to give up to get out of that spiral.

That's also a very short story,

but if your neighbours have an alarm, you'll have an alarm, too.

And that's how you write it down.

Your neighbours buy weapons, you buy weapons.

Because you don't want to be the only one without them.

You just have to see that.

Absolutely.

I just wanted to say...

We know the victims...

Do you know the victims?

Yes, I wrote that down. There were 15 victims.

I do know that there are 15 victims.

There are people with permanent injuries.

But in the months and years after that,

there are still many victims who have been killed.

At the shooting, there is a mother of a girl

who has remained physically injured,

who, six months after the shooting,

has committed suicide.

There are different students and teachers

who are diagnosed with PTSD.

There is a 17-year-old student,

who has been shot down by Coach Sanders,

who committed suicide in May of 2000.

There are different victims who survived

who were not necessarily wounded,

who received a drug addiction after the shooting.

They died there.

They survived there.

So this has brought many more victims with it than the 15

who we have mentioned.

That might be important to give you some information.

I have two more things to talk about.

Okay.

I want to talk about the jasses,

the trench coats, as they are called.

It started with an Eric Dutrow,

who was a junior at the time,

and who went to school for Halloween as a drug addict.

He wanted a cool jass, a bit dramatic.

His parents said,

look, a long black jass is not perfect.

The students went to school for a trench coat.

The costume wasn't what they had in mind,

but the trench coat was considered cool.

So Eric Dutrow,

for the sake of safety, said it differently than Eric the shooter,

so he continued to wear it.

He continued to wear it to school.

People were under this impression.

And Eric loved it, the Dutrow.

Now...

But that's what it was all about.

A lot more children or students

went to wear the black trench coats.

They even wore them in the summer.

Why?

At one point, the group was called the Trench Coat Mafia.

Now, that's happening.

But Eric, the shooter,

thought at one point,

I'm going to wear it now.

I'm going to wear it now.

And Dylan, of course, followed it.

And it was also so that Eric Dutrow,

with his jass, was also a barred drug.

But Eric the shooter thought it was too much.

Too much. That wasn't his fashion.

No, it's actually from the trench coats

that the Drogetijn shooting was created there,

to wear it.

So I still think...

how it's going to work out in the future.

And then something else.

The day after the shooting,

Dylan, his mother, still talked to the press.

She said, I remember the day Dylan was still born.

And it felt like there was a shadow over me.

It was a kind of warning

that these children could bring a lot of misery with them.

Yes.

They said it felt like they could hold on for one second,

but it was there.

And...

Yes, so...

As the last one for the TV viewers,

if you don't want to look at documentaries,

the first season of American Horror Story, Murder House,

there is a plot line based on these shootings.

Yes.

It was a very intense...

Sorry, I really thought...

What did you think?

No, I just thought...

I wanted to do a school shooting,

and I thought we should do this one,

because we know a lot about it.

But it really affected my brain.

I took a lot with me.

Me too, because I started...

I couldn't get it right.

But you also sent me,

oh, here, check the documentary, that's intense.

I don't know, I had seen it a long time ago.

So I knew where I started.

But I'm very happy that we did it,

because you forget it very quickly, of course.

So this is, to put it in a bad way,

an iconic school shooting from the V.S.

How strange, because it's not the first one, not the biggest one.

No, but what's striking about this school shooting

is that it was the first time it happened in a suburb,

so in a foreign country.

Normally, school shootings until then

took place in the city, or in poor neighborhoods.

So this was the first time that middle-class,

or the rich middle-class, came here.

I see, that's true.

Yes, and then, indeed, with the arrival of...

everything had to be recorded on television.

We were waiting, we were also in the 90s.

Actually, O.J. Simpson, I mean, we all know,

all those big legal matters.

So it speaks for itself that this would also follow.

Yes, because it would be a media moment.

Yes, very intense.

But indeed, I'm happy that we know something about it.

Yes, indeed. And we say it.

We don't want to cover everything yet.

You can read a lot of books here, you can read a lot of documentaries.

I think, apart from bowling for Columbine,

there are still documentaries, there are books.

Let's have a look at the book we read.

Yes, you also have a lot of survivors who wrote the books about it.

I think it's about Dave.

Here, Dave Cullen Columbine, that's it.

Yes, Dave Cullen Columbine.

Yes, yes, yes.

Very interesting book, very well written indeed.

From many of the victims, so it was interesting.

Yes.

With this, we'll have to end it.

We're going to end it, but we still have something...

We still have something to do with you, right?

Indeed.

We said it last time, that we could do it today,

and it is the underweb of The Special.

We're going to do a special.

We'll start by saying that he's coming after the summer.

Yes, we don't know exactly when yet.

No, but it will be after the summer.

So you don't have to worry.

We're just going to continue in the summer with our episodes.

We've looked at our plans.

Sometimes maybe with a caterer with festivals, but...

That will happen anyway.

But the underweb.

Zylke chose it.

Then I checked it out with the middle flamie Aka my mother.

And she was...

Sankt as f**k!

We're going to do The Romanovs.

Yes.

It seems like our punishment, but it's not impossible

that there are personal stories connected.

So I think we're going to a three episodes here

and maybe no personal stories, you stories with The Romanovs.

Anastasia had to find herself in Belgium.

She wants to learn more about her experiences in the Netherlands.

Then she can do that in our podcast.

Or maybe you can find out through the stories.

Who knows, I am Anastasia.

If December will come.

But that's not going to work out.

That's right.

So what we actually want to say is

do you have a personal story of The Romanovs?

And really not so far, but do you really have an insight

that we have to share, let it be known now?

Then we'll work on the episodes we're going to talk about...

Who knows?

...the experiences we're going to talk about and then crime, crime, crime.

Yes.

As you wish.

And of us, actually.

Yes.

Okay, we're looking forward to that.

Hopefully you'll be happy.

I do have a lot to say, but I'm a bit confused.

And it's much more intense than I imagined it to be.

The thing is, it's been on my list for a long time,

but I was still in the illusion that you know I can't appreciate it.

So you've seen this episode that's almost two hours long.

I couldn't appreciate it.

I thought, we're going to do an episode.

And then I thought, oh my God, yes.

We're just going to do it.

Okay.

I hope you learn more about it.

We'll see. Bye.

Bye.

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