de volksjury: Aflevering 110 - de gezusters Papin

Welcome to episode 110 of The Volksgerie.

We are Laura and Silke.

Yes, no idea.

This is the vibe we are looking for.

It started when they came in.

We were both in a sleeping bag because we didn't see each other anymore.

Let's take a breath.

Let's take a breath.

Hello, we are Laura and Silke from The Volksgerie.

Yes, it's nice to be back.

It's a normal episode.

I think it's very good that we were in full live show chaos

and someone was allowed to ask.

But there's still his normal episode.

And I thought, Matt, give us a break.

The audacity.

No, but look, it just gives you the feeling that you miss us again.

And that's always a nice feeling.

Knowing that you don't miss us.

But we also needed a break.

We were on a break.

It will be.

Did you have a good break?

Yes, I had a good break.

I have to apologize to the whole Irish population

and all the people who also joined our DMC

didn't come from Ireland,

but found out that I really lived in Ireland.

Oh, that's true.

Yes, but at the same time,

I spent ten days strolling the sun in Ireland.

From the day eight,

it really started to get boring.

And every hotel where we checked in,

every restaurant, every pub,

they almost never participated.

It was like, what the fuck?

I couldn't do this.

We literally had to go on the whole trip for two hours.

And you thought, oh my God, I'm happy that this wasn't the whole trip.

That's the first thing we were doing in the car.

And that was the first time that Lucas and I said to each other,

if this was the whole trip,

we would have had a big problem.

Because the thing is,

it's like, go big or go home on an airfield.

So rain is also like that.

Rain.

That's not so bad.

That was really like, bam, rain.

But it was very beautiful.

Super beautiful nature,

a lot of change,

delicious food,

how you laugh,

how you relax.

Do you understand?

Every day at nine o'clock,

you can go to bed if you want.

Amazing.

Yes.

Heaven.

That's for me, the heaven on a horse.

At nine o'clock, without a bell.

But I understand it at all.

Because I'm also on vacation.

Yes, you know, Alice Maid.

To New York.

And then to walk the whole day.

And 15 kilometers a day.

I don't exaggerate anything.

And then you come to your AirBnB

at six o'clock in the evening.

And you think,

I'm going to a comedy show tonight.

You put your seatbelt on.

And then you're like, no.

No, no, no.

I'm going to bed for an hour.

Just go to bed.

And it's also a combination of the jet lag.

We were really,

I think I woke up at half past six.

So I was just not in the state

to stay awake late.

But we really,

we also had a really beautiful weather.

We had so much luck with it.

We started at 17 degrees.

The day we left.

So five days later, 30 degrees.

Amazing.

That's really.

And then we came back here.

And then everyone was like,

oh, everyone has bad luck here.

Yes, I had that problem too.

I came home and you really started

in the rain.

You sat down and walked away.

No, not yet.

No, no.

But I have to say,

people had something like,

yes, and then those live shows,

yes, you're really going to get into a black hole.

No, I,

I miss it.

Because I think it's great.

But I still have something like,

oh, I have time to do other things.

I think, yes,

I just want to put it in perspective

that since December,

every evening,

every weekend,

has gone there.

And now I have something like,

I can go back to sports.

Just on a continuous day,

evening,

that I think, oh,

just a little bit of fitness.

I had it yesterday.

I had it yesterday.

It was also extended weekend.

And then the broadcast was broadcasted.

And I was like,

and now,

and wait,

I,

I,

it,

it,

it,

it,

it was really like,

it's up.

I can't,

there's nothing else to do.

Oh my God,

I can watch TV.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Um,

watching TV,

talking.

Oh my,

what a joke,

do you make there?

Blindly bought,

it started again.

Oh, yes.

Every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

all the TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

every TV,

band,

every TV,

every TV.

Never seen this for so long.

Usually,

I only listen to it from my height.

From my height.

We talked about it an hour ago and

from the last Aber beans,

the beans me and my partners

We were in New York and we couldn't watch it.

That was a big drama.

A different programme.

A different programme that we couldn't watch.

Is the Mole.

Oh my God, this is really a ramp for who the Mole is.

A few episodes ago I sat on Thomas's lap.

And the elimination is coming.

And I said, wouldn't it be hilarious if Thomas goes out?

I said, no, that's not going to happen.

One second later, Thomas is out of the programme.

And I said, no, I really called.

And since then, I'm really tired.

Why?

Wait, I'm going to...

My Mole was also Thomas and also Liesbeth.

Lieslott, the best flamest woman.

Lieslott, yes.

I'm so embarrassed.

Because I'm Liesbeth first.

But much more pronounced Thomas.

I was really like, Lieslott could do it, but I think...

We also started with Lieslott, Thomas and the Toes,

which are still in there.

Yes, but I'll tell you all about that later.

Okay, yes.

So when Thomas was out, I found it very difficult.

And my biggest problem was that I had already written off Ruben.

So I hoped that he wouldn't be in the final.

At least I knew for sure that he wouldn't.

I don't know, Ruben has never been suspicious of me.

Me neither.

Annik and I said to each episode, you're going to ruin Ruben.

It took a long time.

Yes, he did it very well.

Yes, yes, yes.

But also because he wasn't suspicious at all.

No.

And because he was speaking to us,

that he wouldn't be in the final.

But for us, it was a possibility that he wasn't the Mole.

Yes, that was for sure for me.

And now...

Yes, so I say Lies.

Why?

Because...

Comfort is down for me because of that red screen.

And I would really like to find it more

if the program makers would have played it that way.

I really know what I'm talking about with that red screen.

Yes, yes, yes.

But why do you think...

Why would the program makers have given her red screens

for confusion?

Yes, that would be an option, I think,

if I read it online.

And the players also assume that

the people who participate still have that thought.

Is the red screen of comfort real?

Or was it part of the Mole that the makers put in it?

Now, the thing is,

but maybe I misunderstood that,

but for me, the Mole could also have got the red screen.

Because you can also fill the Mole's test every week.

And the Mole could have filled the worst test perfectly.

Yes, but that's pure nonsense, because you know...

I doubted it for a long time,

really until two hours back,

which I was going to say now.

Okay.

But I decided that Comfort is for me the Mole.

Oh!

I'll say it like that.

But I'm sure...

No, I can't say it.

But what I'm almost sure of

is that the Mole is not the Mole.

Why not?

Because in the beginning,

when I saw him as a person

and on TV I saw a big difference,

I now see in the last four episodes,

really the Mole as I know him.

And Tos is clearly going for the game.

Not necessarily for the money,

but for every experience.

I think, my theory is,

that Tos already knows who the Mole is.

I think that Tos has seen something,

noticed something,

and quite quickly,

very risky,

but he's already gone to one person.

And because of that,

100%, I think he already knows who the Mole is,

but I also think

that Ruben,

and in my case Lancelot,

also knows.

And I think,

that they went for that red screen,

because maybe too many people already knew,

that Comfort was the Mole.

And they wanted

everyone to still doubt.

So my idea is that

I think that's the fall of the makers.

That's what I'm trying to say.

Do you understand?

That's a possible explanation.

I think,

for example,

with the same reasoning as I do,

that Tos already knows who the Mole is,

but he thinks that Lancelot is.

And my mum is even 100% convinced,

that Tos has seen that Lancelot's egg

has broken.

Yes, but I'm also not sure about that.

With the egg,

that's something that's engraved in my brain,

that Lancelot's egg

has been lost at some point.

But anyway, I also think,

okay, but that can also be

a candidate's action,

to raise confusion.

But I think that

Lancelot,

I'm not someone who keeps up with

how much money people bring in.

This is purely emotional.

Yes, even though it remains

on the background.

But then,

I think that the idea of that

with that class,

for example,

has done very well here,

just not good enough.

But the thing is, there are three very smart people

in the final,

and that's clear.

And they play all two,

yes, all two against the Mole,

but all three play the game,

all a few episodes,

on a really double level.

That's clear.

They make conscious mistakes,

there are those conscious hands.

I think that.

But I'm still going to look at it again,

because our mum was so convinced of that.

To those scenes,

we're in the car after the egg.

So the egg is broken.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Before they arrive.

They already know that.

And Toast steps in Lancelot from behind in the car,

and Toast can't suppress his smile.

And Lancelot makes a remark

like, are you laughing now?

No, no, no, I didn't break the egg.

But maybe,

and that could be possible if Lancelot is the Mole,

that Toast has seen that Lancelot

has broken the egg,

and he thinks, okay, he's the Mole.

That's why I think he's the Mole.

Why?

Because I'm convinced that Toast knows who the Mole is.

He's convinced that he doesn't have a hair.

That assignment with the bus,

they had to choose between two colours.

Ruben had seen that.

And I think that Toast, Ruben didn't expect that.

But he said, I don't care,

we choose Ruben, not the coming year colour.

Now, with the photos,

he often works with her in a group,

now with the photos.

She calls at the end of the day,

stop doing that, you're not doing that.

Is it to manipulate the photos?

With the last photo,

to check if you're going to go back.

It was a sign of hair, that you're the pancake.

Yes, but the potfish,

with the potfish.

I know that.

But I also think, sorry, Ruben,

love the guy,

I laughed very well,

he did a few nice expressions,

really thick vibe.

But the fact that he made the guest,

I understand that people suspect Ruben.

For me, not.

But he really has a lot of stoutness,

because of the thought of being a guest.

I would be Ruben if I do that.

Oh, sorry.

Oh, really?

Yes, I have to hit a button.

I'm going to do it.

I say,

Comey is the mole and Tosbind.

Ah, the winner.

But then you say,

Comey is the winner.

Okay, here we go.

Feeling,

really pure anger.

Yes.

I have to say,

it's the most difficult year for me so far.

I've never been good, except with Leonard.

With Leonard, we were good.

We were good, but last year,

I can't remember anymore.

Yes, then we had the false mole.

Yes, the switch.

So I can,

I always admire Wilder Gok.

Yes.

Yes.

And that has nothing to do with,

I think you're cool,

or I don't think you're cool.

No, no, no.

That's really,

I see one thing,

sneaky,

and then I think,

Yes.

Everyone does it.

And then someone else does something sneaky.

No, but that was a pro.

That's a fake mole action.

Yes, that's true.

That's to say a warning.

Yes, yes.

But again,

fun.

I think it's already a pity that it's almost done.

Oh yes, but it went really fast.

We also said it,

Annike and I,

last Sunday,

Oh, that's a shame.

Yes, just,

it's such a shame that it's already done.

Yes.

And then I said,

You have to continue this year.

I said that now too.

No, that is now also over there.

But yes, love it.

Yes, keep it coming.

Yes.

Will you write something next year?

Maybe for the LoLs.

Yes, I don't think we'll be able to do that tomorrow.

Hmm.

Mateo.

Matje Steve.

You had one job.

You had one job.

No, Esther,

but it really doesn't seem good.

Of course.

Yes, yes.

Yes.

So maybe we shouldn't do that.

A laugh and a train.

A laugh and a train.

Do you have any other TV tips?

Yes.

Did you look at something else?

Oh well, I was in,

yes, yes, in New York.

And you know,

when you're on vacation abroad,

other programs on Netflix,

and whatever.

And I see beef there.

And I think,

Oh, do I have to see it now?

Because we can't see it at home.

Oh, bless your little heart.

Oh, so naive,

that I didn't see it before.

Just look at it.

But,

and I know,

I can't remember if I've already mentioned this,

or not.

But Ellie Wong did that with me,

and Ellie Wong is also a stand-up comedian.

And on Netflix,

there are three specials from her.

Look,

because I haven't laughed like that in a long time.

Like doing.

With a stand-up comedian.

Actually.

Yes.

I'm often someone,

I've talked to you about it.

Yes.

When I came to see it,

I was like,

Oh, it's like that.

But never really loud.

Hilarity,

Boulderlag,

Allie Wong-Wale.

Okay.

So,

three specials,

do what you want with it.

All right.

And beef.

Good.

I have a podcast tip.

Stolen hearts.

It's from Wondery,

and it's about a woman, Jill.

She's a police agent,

separated,

and she learns a new man.

I've heard about it, I think.

And they're in love.

They start a relationship.

It's getting serious.

They're going to live together.

Or they make plans to live together.

They're going to get pregnant.

And half-way through their pregnancy,

they try to reach them on an evening with the phone.

It doesn't work.

No reaction.

And then they get the phone from their sister

to say that her love is involved

in a pregnant woman.

Oh.

Voila.

Okay, good.

Yes.

Without a single signal in advance.

Okay.

And there are several episodes.

Yes, there are five or six episodes.

I have to listen to the last one now.

And I started listening to it

just through the catch,

I mean the pitch.

And I keep listening to it,

because it's really a techie,

not the right word,

but it's really up-beat

intro music.

And with wordsplayings.

But good.

You have to be for it.

And normally it bothers me,

but I don't know why.

I feel like...

I've been laughing for a long time.

It's very American.

No, because it's British.

Ah, it's British.

But it's an American vibe.

Oh, I see.

Because I think the intro music is

a good girl's number.

Like the bad boys.

But really like a puppy.

Oh my God.

My eyes are rolling out of my pocket.

Yes.

Are you promoting it well?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I can't pitch it so well.

But it's just the story.

You know, it's so...

Very often when you tell a story,

and he wasn't who he looked like.

He looked like...

You can already see,

as a viewer or listener,

hundreds of red flags.

But I didn't see that either.

Interesting.

Okay.

I'm listening.

A stolen heart.

Anything else?

Yes, in your face,

something funny happened.

Okay.

No.

Now you're so scared.

No.

But it has to do with our sponsor,

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Don't let us know

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I'm 100% convinced

that it's because of this story.

Our last episode,

I tell my story

from also Lukas Kappenkoken

with HelloFresh.

Everyone.

Annik.

Annik,

Lukas,

you can't stand in the kitchen.

Just follow the recipe.

Nothing can go wrong.

Oh, little did I know.

You said in New York,

and suddenly,

sliding in our DMs,

I'm going to call them Sarah.

And Sarah says,

how did you laugh

with Annik Dote

about HelloFresh?

Because

my love,

the Serge,

I call him Serge,

he was killed

to do a HelloFresh recipe.

Oh,

she tells what happened.

So it was a recipe

with baked potatoes.

So there was

baked potatoes

for 30 minutes

in the pan.

So Serge

keeps the potatoes

in the pan

for 30 minutes

without looking at it.

So I have to laugh

with it.

I think,

oh,

something like that

could happen to us too.

Ha, ha, ha.

Two seconds later,

we have a DM

in our search for Serge.

Sorry,

I understand that my friend Sarah,

but you just made it black.

I want to defend myself

for a while.

And Serge says,

look,

in the recipe,

it wasn't specified

that it should be heard,

so I didn't do that either.

I did

keep myself

to the recipe.

Well,

I threw those two reactions

together on our Instagram.

I think we're really

never going to do

as many likes on my story as we do.

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So boys,

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We're not.

And look,

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I hope so.

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Look, how?

Error, boys.

Can you do that one more time?

There you go.

Shall we start?

Yes, we're going to start

with the presentation.

I chose it.

Yes, this was a huge

recommendation for me.

You go away.

I had to choose a presentation

to do.

Oh, you had to.

I was looking forward to that.

Oh, yes.

If we want to go further with this.

Yes, I was looking forward to that.

And I was also looking forward to

being on my wishlist.

So I started to Google

some things.

Spoiler alert.

We have already said that in our post,

but we are going to do

a few more live shows.

Not this year,

but we are going to do that.

So we have something like

bags of goods,

we work on a live show.

We will not bring them

in advance.

In the deliveries.

So I'm starting to see

things that are on my list.

Business 1.

Oh, that will be good for a live show.

Okay, on the side.

Business 2.

Well, that will be good for a live show.

We have something like this to look for.

So I have to put them all

on the map.

After the suggestions of the

listeners to look at.

Oh, yes.

No, that will also be good.

I thought, okay, I'm going to

choose another book.

I'm looking for a first thing.

Because I'm going to Ireland next week.

I'm coming up with a very big first

thing.

Again very good for the live shows.

I thought, stop.

I was really already half a day

busy with the search for a business

to bring.

And then in the end, I'm still on

an oldie wishlist of mine.

One that I've been wanting to do for a long time.

He will be unsurpassed,

he has already been suggested,

but I really didn't have the

time to look for someone

who has ever suggested it.

But there was also.

Anyway.

Anyway, but there was also

on my list.

Because it is in the period

that I really like.

We are going to bring the case today

of the sister's dad.

Voila.

It is 1901.

Turn of the century.

Anything else?

No, that was.

Can someone make a sound here?

Party like is 1901.

And we are in the French village.

Le Mans.

And there live a certain Clemence

Déré

and farmer Gustave Pappin.

And those two are on a date.

But the relationship is difficult.

From the beginning actually.

Because there are reasons that

our Clemence also has an affair

with her boss.

We do not know what she does.

But yes, there should be an affair.

Now,

despite the affair,

Clemence and Gustave say,

look, we are going to make the best of it.

We trust.

And four months after their wedding

Clemence falls in love with a daughter.

It is a miracle.

They make the best of it.

And Emilia is born.

Now, our Gustave.

Yes, we still have to

that the affair is still going on.

He goes looking for a new job in a different city.

And when he arrives,

that they will have to get married.

I say Clemence.

Oh my God, it's such a vibe.

It's even better to take away from life

than to leave Clemence.

So you know,

you get a little bit of an idea

what kind of woman that is.

A bit turbulent.

But despite that,

there are still two daughters

from the world.

In 1905 Clemence from Christine

and in 1911 from Lea.

Yes.

But that's not going so well right now.

No.

Christine is actually

immediately given birth

to her aunts and uncles.

And she actually lives there until she is seven.

And also Lea is moved to her uncle.

And she stays with him until he dies.

Now,

then,

I mean,

the life of the Papai family

has not yet been accepted.

No.

But then it just gets even worse

at that moment.

Because Emilia, the first daughter,

when she is nine or ten years old,

is encouraged by her father,

by her father-in-law.

But instead of giving her father-in-law

the guilt,

Clemence puts the guilt

on her daughter, Emilia.

Because she has her father

as her name suggests.

So what does she do then?

She sends her daughter to a Catholic church

that is known as Codoncote

for the disciplines.

Now,

a year later, in 1913,

Clemence says goodbye

to Gustave

because of the so-called incest.

It's still the guilt

of her daughter.

But she doesn't think

that Gustave has admitted it.

So there is a separation,

but there is no legal matter.

Because she also doubts

whether Gustave is

Emilia's father.

I already doubted that in the first instance.

So our Gustave

starts to drink hard.

So it's not going well

with the family there.

In the end, Christine and Lea

are sent to their home

where they have to stay until they are 15

where they would have to work

from Clemence.

And I think that's a good example

of Clemence,

of no man and no children anymore.

She's living her best life.

Yes, then it costs

quite some children's lives.

But today

would that woman

probably have no children?

No, no, no.

I mean,

I have to say that it is

indeed, it is not

a woman's family

to say that.

And I think that for her

in her mind-set,

she has something like

I am better off

so that I can do

what I want to do.

Of course, she doubts

an affair with her boss.

She probably doesn't want to get married.

But if she says

this is her life,

she is married.

So I have to marry a man here

and I do my best.

And unfortunately,

there are three children

for her.

Yes, yes, yes.

That's how she lives.

No, but then

I have already found

that Christine and Lea

are in one house,

but that Emilia is somewhere else.

So that she doesn't

have to be split.

Yes, I can.

What I have found

about Emilia

is that in 1918

a monastery

was built

and really

all gangs

broke up

with her family.

Yes.

And she just

sat there in the monastery

the rest of her life.

When I think about it,

you have sent us

hundreds of thousands of times,

so I'm not going to type anything,

but the podcast

about the disappearance

of Sister Gabriel,

and that's now the second time

I'm reading it,

and that's something

that I totally didn't know,

is that

girls who were abused

or were afraid

to be abused

or were abused

in an environment

that she fled to the monastery.

Yes.

So the monastery sisters

were also left to the word

in the podcast

of Sister Gabriel,

and they are convinced

that

why have you never been to the monastery?

That was a woman

who was going to the monastery

and who later left.

So yes,

the bond

on the brotherhood

of my parents

who couldn't

have his pot at home

and I went to the monastery

to prevent anger.

And now again,

that's really

a kind of curse

was for

abused women.

Okay, all good

that there was then.

Yes.

Jesus,

I didn't know that.

Yes,

because they were sure

that there was a relationship

with God or with Jesus,

that there was no physical contact.

So just

a bunch of traumatized girls

that would have been fun too.

Anyway.

Anyway.

I see that

at the beginning

you are also calling

to be a nun.

Yes.

But they are not allowed

by Clemens.

They are not allowed

to follow there

because

you are going to give me money.

At the time,

you were 15 years old,

you profited enough

from life.

It's time to go to work.

Where have you been?

Yes.

And Christine

starts as the first

to work with various families

as a household,

help

and from which they come

at the end of the year

20

back

with the family

Lancelang

in Le Mans.

And not for later

close her sister.

Leah, the youngest sister,

also there

so they are

at the funeral

at the family.

Let's see

who the family is.

Just do it.

At the head

of the family

we have René Lancelang.

He is a pensioner,

advocate.

So

the person who

puts the money on the table

deserves it.

Yes.

I have his house,

I have a photo

of the street,

the old street

and now

it's beautiful,

it's cool,

it's cool.

Do you want to live there?

Yes, it's

obviously,

because I also

live in an old house.

It's my style

of living.

He has a wife,

Leonie,

and she has one daughter,

the 27-year-old

Genevieve.

I still thought

they had two daughters,

but that

the oldest

was

Albut.

Albut.

Well,

she didn't do it yet.

I only had Genevieve,

but also for Genevieve

hardly,

because she also lost.

So

she was actually

also at the point

to

leave the house.

I don't know

how people know that.

I've written a little bit

about how it

suddenly

sounds like household music

in those times.

It sounds like music

in the ears

for me.

So

Lea

and

Christine

live in

both families.

An old man's house

in my house

also,

it's a normal studio.

Those are

the rooms.

So those are the rooms

on the Zolderverdieping,

where the servants,

girls

or the household help

live.

They

sleep there,

they

eat there.

It's really simple

in that room

that they

can push themselves back.

And then

in the

living room

they get

a monthly fee

and they

have

a two-tall

hour-per-day

free.

And that

usually

just after lunch.

So

they have

a meal

to go

to the market

to have

lunch,

to clean up

then

you have

a few hours

free and then

you have to

start the dinner

and other

household

tasks

like

cleaning,

cleaning,

cleaning.

Because

I had

read

with her

that

she

really

only

half a day

What

do we know

about

her time

when

the family in Lanselijn

was a

pretty strict family

but

it was

fair.

Leonie

the mother

said

she

had

to

check

if

the

plants

were

really

stuffed.

If I

do this

in my house

I think

I have

hair

in my

house.

I have

my plant

in my house.

I don't have

plants.

Not your

trouble then.

So

the family

treated her

well

and other

families

were

pretty

strict

on

Leah and

Christine.

They

actually

had

the

reputation

of being

quiet

and

no drama

with boyfriends

or girlfriends

or

walking away.

Christine

was

cocky

and

Leah

was

the

chamber

girl

but

they

were

super

content

about

the

girls

when

it was

a

Friday

and then

I found

a kind of

contrast.

They

treated her

well

but

it was a

very

atypical

relationship

with Christine

and Leah.

The

two girls

never

talked

to her

in

conversation

while

they

worked

for a few years

and

also

they

didn't

talk

in

contrast

with

they

treated her

well.

Absolutely.

It

went

further

than

what

was

critical

but

we

will

go

further

in

the

years.

They

worked

for

you

and

for your base

too

otherwise

things

wouldn't

last

that long.

Good

time

VDB

we

will

price

for you.

Now

on

February 2

1933

there

was

a

dinner

at a

friend

of

the

family

and he

first

passed

by his

own

house

there

was

no light

and

he

went

to

his

friend's

house

but

there

was

no

trace

of

Leon

and

Genevieve

now

René

starts to

get

darker.

Now

except in the room

of

Leah and

Christine

there

was

light

and he

tried

to open

the

front

but

he

closed

it

with

a

hook

so

you

can

put

the

key in

but

a

way

to the

inside

ok

now it becomes plastic

for the people

who can't do it

I

prefer

at least

a minute

a minute and a half

two minutes

because

our agent

is inside

he

puts

the

step

on

and

puts

a foot

in an

earball

and

he

doesn't

go outside

I

would

go

in

but

he

is

on the job

Silke

he is on the job

he

is on the job

he

is on the job

how I

go

with an

earball

I

learned

there

I did

an exam

he

goes

They were totally unrecognizable.

There were eyes outstretched.

One of the victims had a veil around her,

where she had another eyeball in her mouth.

This is really terrible.

And she finally grabbed it and laughed.

And then the other victim also got out of the eyeball.

So it was also true that the eyeball was found on the stairs,

but there was also a eyeball under the body.

Now, despite being unrecognizable,

they can quickly determine who it is.

It's Leonie and Genevieve.

A daughter and mother.

And with the agent, Lara and Bell,

there are two householders here.

Where are they?

They're still alive.

They're going upstairs, because they know the rooms are there.

The householders.

The door looks closed.

The agent knocks on the door, gets no reaction,

thinks, okay, I have to get in here.

I want to say Bell, the lockmaker.

I don't know if that could happen at that time.

Yes, not in 1933.

We started in 1901.

There was electricity.

We started in 1901.

So Bell is the lockmaker.

The door opens,

and she finds the sister's dad in bed.

But they're still alive.

They're still alive.

They're still alive.

But they're naked.

What they find very attractive.

And what they also find in the room is a bloodshed,

where some hair still stuck to it.

Yes.

So yes, those two,

they were taken by surprise,

and they actually know the murders.

But they also say it was self-defense.

Yes.

It was her or me.

Yes, that's it.

So what happened?

What happened on the day of the murders?

So you still see that eyeball on the stairs?

Yes.

And also,

when I think about the scene at Tabularaz,

when I saw the crepe,

and I saw it a hundred times,

there was also an eyeball on the stairs.

Thank you.

Sorry.

If you didn't find it visible enough.

Okay, so we rewind a bit to the morning of February 2, 1933.

And that day,

the plans were shared with Christine and Leah in the morning.

There it is said,

look, tonight René, Genevieve, Leonie, me.

I mean, Leonie,

as if I were Leonie.

Sorry, that was so bad acting.

Tonight, we're going to eat.

You guys should take the stretcher.

It was brought in for repair at the Eiserbinkel.

Because they had the day before a security service,

during the use of the stretcher.

So, okay, the sister's dad knows,

okay, the mother and daughter are going to shop.

Madam is out of the house.

We're going to go through an electronic hobby for a while.

We're going to go through the stretcher for that stretcher.

So, the sister's dad,

The act of trust.

The sister's dad picks up the stretcher in the stretcher,

that is repaired,

up and back to the house.

And they said, okay, we haven't been able to stretch yesterday.

We're going to do that today for a while.

It's a time of electricity, Silke.

We're not 1901.

Because they stop the stretcher in the stop contact,

and the plon jumps up again.

That's dikbala,

because then you can't stretch one.

And two, you have to put that plon,

that security box back on,

free of charge.

It's evening, to be exact.

And the sisters have something like this.

You know, I'm going to knock off for today.

I'm out of the house.

My two hours of rest are going in now.

They think, look, the family is coming home late at night after dinner.

They're not going to notice that there is no electricity in the house.

They don't need electricity.

They just have to sleep.

We're going to leave the security box for what it is.

We're going to leave the stretcher for what it is.

And we're starting our cozy evening.

You get it.

With his two.

But...

Unexpectedly, Leonie and her daughter Genevieve,

after their shopping spree,

they're going to put that bag back at home.

You know, they're going to put it in the fridge

with a nantuck...

Cat wash.

A small cat wash.

Maybe a lip gloss.

You don't know.

Eh?

19.30.

Was there a lip gloss in 19.30?

If there was electricity...

There was definitely a lip gloss.

Okay.

But those two come home and they notice quickly

that there is no stretcher.

Maybe there was an outfitting of the evening.

Oh.

That you could.

But you can't make it ready in the dark either.

No, no.

So they're very difficult.

So they call Christine and they say,

Christine, what's going on here?

So Christine is coming.

C'est passé.

Christine is coming down.

And she's like,

look, I put the stretcher in stop contact

and the security has jumped back.

Christine did expect some resistance.

She did expect to...

to be outfitted.

But not in that way.

Leonie...

tells Christine,

behind the police,

went through the reds.

This was the Drupal TV.

No idea what happened the day before

or what was playing in the head.

But Leonie was angry at Christine.

And as a counter-reaction,

Christine said,

don't do this to me.

I just...

I just put the stretcher in stop contact.

There is a security jump.

This is not my fault.

You're not going to...

you're not going to...

get out of here.

It was the time of the month again.

Yes, for both.

For both.

For all fours.

For all fours.

Of course,

those are women who live together.

That's sinking.

That's completely sinking.

So that's one block of anger

and PMS.

We...

Boom.

Boom.

But we had to...

We had to be two men.

We would be lynched.

But sinking can...

It can.

It can.

It can.

It can.

We had our period.

We had our shows together.

Exactly.

That's life.

But in any case,

we have two angry women.

And it's Christine

who takes the first physical approach.

She has the stretcher.

That's there.

That jumps up.

That's ready.

But that's not warm.

She takes the stretcher

and puts it on Leonie's head later.

And then it's all hands on deck.

Yes.

Then it's...

Baganal.

Baganal.

Because...

So they're on the first stage,

on the floor,

really,

one and all fighting.

And Christine is actually the first one

who expresses a look of Genevieve.

You go straight for the eyes.

And then she also goes from the stage.

So that's how we get to the stage.

It's plastic again,

as you can hear.

So Leah sees it

and she thinks,

Good idea.

I'm going to do that too.

And she then rubs again on her side

with both fingers,

with all her fingers,

both eyes out of Leonie.

So Leonie touched her eyes.

There Leah takes a knife,

a hammer,

a couple of eyes,

and they really go wild together.

And then they actually...

actually go to the grave.

For instance, the doctor also says later,

in his treatment,

it was a bloody scar.

And what I also came across

on the France Wikipedia page,

but I found it somewhere else.

So I don't know how much it's true

that they were cut into pieces as rabbits.

Do you want to see a photo?

Are you ready to be cooked?

Do you want to see a photo?

Yes.

Because I have a photo.

I'm going to share the stories.

It's pretty unclear.

But it's clear enough

to show that there's not much left of the women.

No.

Wait, I'm going to read it again.

Wait, I'm going to read it again.

It's black and white.

We're not in multicolour yet.

That's not the vibe yet.

In 1933.

It's still missing.

I had to take a look twice

before I had...

Just what?

Yes.

Because you know,

it's a house with a carpet.

So where does the carpet stop?

Where does the body start?

Where does the body start?

It looks like there are only

dolls in there.

Yes.

But now I see two legs.

Okay, so it's not dramatic.

No.

But you can see that there's not much left of the women.

Yes, but I was just...

Yes.

Okay.

This is an example.

I posted the stories.

I was able to trigger warnings.

But I will share them.

Yes, so Bon,

Bacchanal is over.

And the two of them are going to wash themselves

and lie in a bed of Christine.

Yes.

And then they are found naked.

Yes, actually.

Yes.

Now, the next day,

after the victims are found,

Christine and Lea

have put down their acquaintances.

It's in all of France.

And France is in shock.

They really have something like

how can this happen in Le Mans?

The two sisters,

they worked together for seven years

for the family.

Christine was 21,

Lea was 15

at the time of the accident,

when I was well.

And they also had a reputation

of being good workers.

They were calm.

They often got back together.

They also didn't really have

friends or something like that.

They were really on their own.

And as I said earlier,

they were honest, hard workers

who worked there for a long time.

They had a white cloth.

But still, out of nowhere,

the two quiet maidens

have turned against their base.

Yes.

And for everyone,

the maidens,

the workers,

the maidens,

come in there as a shock,

because oh my God,

as my household help,

they turn against me in the morning.

Yes.

It is also said or written on the edges,

that there is not much base,

they had a quiet night,

after they read it,

because they might be

the next victims.

And also the two sisters

became world famous.

Yes.

Even it is written about in the United States.

Just because it is such

absurd stories,

and of course it goes further

than the facts,

because it goes like this,

because the fact that the two

were found naked in bed,

made the speculation,

because they might have

had an incestuous relationship

with each other.

So the malamole is in progress.

So yes,

it is also considered

as a kind of class struggle,

the workers

against the elites

and so it is also considered

in France by the intellectuals,

who are there.

Later many theater pieces

and books have been written about.

Exactly.

So that is a bit of the reaction

that is at that moment.

The wait for a process

was separated by Leon Christien,

and the prison was set.

And then it is less good

with Christine in prison.

Yes, yes.

In my opinion,

this is really a master move

by the police,

they themselves have thought about it.

But by getting those two out of one,

you naturally get an idea

of who those two individuals are.

They are a bit apart from each other.

In our questions,

Christine is the one who always

takes the word, and Lea,

in her arrest, has said,

from now on, I am deaf and dumb.

She found herself on the background,

she was also the youngest.

But at the moment that Leon Christien

is sitting separately in prison,

with Christine.

She becomes depressed,

suicidal,

she calls all day

to be her sister,

she doesn't want to be alone.

She tries,

at some point,

to rip her own eyes out of her pockets.

The experience does have to do with it.

Yes, she knows how it should be,

in any case.

But they can stop her,

and she is actually getting

stuck in a prison at that moment.

It will take eight months

to start the process.

I am very curious

whether she will be in prison for eight months.

Yes, she will be in prison.

She will keep changing her story at that moment.

And that she will be in prison.

Because until then,

they said together,

that they had done it together.

But Christine says from that moment

that she was responsible only

for the murder.

That Lea had nothing to do with it.

But the judges,

the people who lead the investigation,

won't listen to her.

And Lea also says,

yes, but I was happy.

Yes, yes.

Yes.

Lea, please.

Yes.

Take it.

Take it.

Yes, but indeed,

Christine tries to take back

the worrying role of her sister

by saying,

I have done it all.

Just before the two of them

go to the court,

they are examined by psychologists

to see if there are any

or if they are fit to be mentally fit

to be able to participate in the process.

And so, while Christine

has been in prison there,

she is examined

to be aware of the process.

I think that is also very cool.

It doesn't mean cool photos,

but they are very interesting photos.

She is fit to stand trial.

They say that the process

actually takes one day.

Nice, right?

Good, fine.

And that is,

it will take place in September 1933.

Again, national events.

The press is here.

It also takes place in Le Mans,

in a small village.

But it is scattered

by people who want to participate.

So they really have to

take the police with them

to keep the men under control.

And, well,

what else do I want to fill out

about the incestuous relationship?

Because there they have to

talk about it.

And they say,

look, it's just about the affection

between the two of them.

There is no talk about

an incestuous relationship.

It is a very normal relationship

that the two of them have.

Normal, I wouldn't say,

but there is no talk about

sexual relations.

Now,

during the process,

they come back to the

mental history

of the family.

Because there were

mental problems in the family.

There was an uncle

who was out of his life,

there was a nephew in the institution,

a father with alcohol,

abuse.

Yes.

So, yes.

Yes, that's it.

I also understand it,

because, hey,

especially the defense

who focused on that very much.

To talk about it,

but the two of them were

temporarily sick.

And this is

in the genes.

But now they are OK.

What do you have to do

if you are going to do that?

They are known.

The bodyguards are there.

Yes, you have to find something

to...

Yes, but in the end,

they actually remain

in that process

for a very long time.

Weeks and weeks

about what can be

in their hands.

In the end,

they come to a conclusion.

They can decide

beforehand,

yes, they can

participate

in the court case,

but then they come

to the conclusion

that they are suffering

from a shared

psychological disorder.

Yes.

And the foliadeu,

where in that one person,

they are going to

touch on the more dominant person,

Christine,

in this story,

who is already suffering

from diseases

or psychosis.

Yes.

And where in the

earlier passive part,

or the passive person

who is going to take the diseases over.

Yes.

And that would...

Here they come

to the conclusion

that this should also

have been the case

with Christine and Lea.

Yes.

Something I didn't know

about people who

suffer from paranoia.

They often direct themselves

towards a mother figure

to react to their demons.

So,

I mean,

to make sure

they are really your mother.

And in this case,

that Christine

has taken out

to Leonie,

the mother of the houses,

that would...

Yes.

Interesting.

Yes.

That you

do have

a trust band somewhere,

and that you then

want to cut through

through the veins

of what you are doing.

Interesting.

Yes.

So,

of course,

they also want to

come up with a motive.

And,

yes,

they say

it is self-defeating,

but it is also not

really believed in.

But we know,

of course,

the story of the

white gloves,

that they are

going to check

the fabric,

the letters.

Because,

apparently,

they also

leave Leonie

a comment

on Christine's

not by saying that,

but by putting

passively aggressive

a briefing.

And to say

that this

could be better,

or this...

I don't think

it was constructive feedback.

Not just like,

I didn't like this,

this wasn't good,

this wasn't good.

No, no.

And there is

really talk of,

yes,

look,

there was also a moment

when Leah

apparently

forgot to scratch

a piece of paper

that she

swore on her knees

to scratch it.

Oh yes,

really abuse,

yes,

one,

it's just an absurd system.

That,

that's less than

a hundred years ago,

that there are really

still people living in it.

It sounds fantastic to me,

but on the other hand,

it's just fucking weird

that there are

living in the service girls.

And you see

with a super

naive power story.

Absolutely.

And especially

when you hear that

he communicates

simply via paper,

that you...

No rights,

nothing.

...that you

can't talk about the man's house.

For seven years,

when someone

could never say a word to you.

Yes.

Yes,

you thought

with your brain,

that's your brain,

that doesn't surprise me.

No, no, no.

But...

Yes,

well,

it takes

a day,

the process,

so...

The jury needs

40 minutes.

Exactly.

And we know

how it goes.

Then you're guilty.

Exactly.

And Leah and Christine

were guilty.

So,

Leah,

it was really thought out

for the murder of Leonie.

So,

they say,

okay, Genevieve,

you might have

pulled out an earball,

but...

Yes,

it's okay.

And Christine

was originally

sentenced to death

by the guillotines.

But

that sentence

was put to life.

And

while she hears that,

she actually falls

on her knees.

And I also

read somewhere

that the death sentence

with the

guillotines

with women

is always put to life.

Yes,

Mewee,

we've already talked about that.

I think

one of our experts

for the book,

that

there is

a lot of injustice in the world,

but in the legal system,

women still

tend to

become more

prejudiced than

men.

Mewee,

what did we talk about?

Women

also say,

yes,

but they already

accept

the circumstances

much more.

Yes.

I thought

it was something

with prison

on what we did.

Yes.

Interesting.

Read our book.

Read our book.

But this was

totally not plugged in.

No,

read our book.

But in the end,

there is also

criticism of the process.

Yes.

Because it all

went so fast.

Very fast.

There were

many conclusions.

On a day

time,

it was

the process of the

age.

But especially

the

8 months of

prejudice,

then

all research

could be

discussed

on the court,

but it all didn't happen.

No.

They just sat down

for 8 months

and then

a 40-minute

deliberation

ended.

It was

clearly

for the researchers.

Mm-hmm.

And they

didn't

continue to

dig into

what the motive

was.

Yes.

I mean,

it were

problems,

but

yes,

other times

happened.

Yes,

exactly.

And that

is the problem.

And

your bed

was on the wrong place.

Absolutely,

absolutely.

Christine

is brought

to the prison

of

Renn.

But

it really goes from

worst,

we say that,

yes,

it is still

very,

very Renn.

From the

point of view

that Lea

can't see,

it's really

at the

end of the

road,

if it were.

And

at the end

it will also be

a deadly disease.

Because

they

refuse to eat,

they die

from

k-h-e-c-c.

And that is

actually

a form of

extreme

malice.

And

at the end

they die

by

eating

at

the end

of the road.

They

are

released

in 1941.

Yes,

also

like that.

No,

I was

saying,

never mind,

I was

talking about the

world war,

but they are

actually released

by the second world war.

They

enter

with their mother

naked.

And

I found this

a bit

disturbing.

They

get

killed

personally.

But look,

it was under

the influence of

Christine.

Yes,

but I

just hope that

she

helps.

I think

that

she needs

psychological help.

Yes,

yes,

yes.

But everything

has made it.

I mean,

there

has to be

only one trigger

in such a

household.

And

they are

brave.

Yes,

mysterious.

Yes,

so there is a word

that she

died in 1982.

But

there are

in the year 2000

two films about

one documentary

and one fiction film

about these things

came out.

And one of

those two

film producers,

Claude Ventura,

made

these documentaries.

She

is called

The Search of the

Sister's

Papa.

She is

on YouTube

entirely.

Powerful.

Yes,

and he

claims

that

Lea

came

into a

quiet house,

actually,

a woman

who could not

speak anymore

and not

for a

part

was

but she is convinced

that Lea

was.

She is

also in the documentary

herself.

And she

died in

2001.

But

we do not know

how

to do that.

We could do that.

That's

Do you think

that we

have to make a documentary

about The Search of the

Sister's Papa

and their DNA?

Yes.

Press 1 for yes,

press 2 for yes.

Perfect.

Perfect.

And then a little creepy.

They are

I think creepy

because that's

probably

against the

least one of the two.

They are

in the dead

because

they are buried

in a

burrow

burrowed

in

mud.

Yes.

That's

a

rough ending

for

an absurd story.

Also just

something

started

in 1901

and the

facts are

1933.

A hundred years later.

A total

different time.

Even

when she died

in 1982,

Lea,

what did she

start her life

as a maid

and when she died

in 1982

for

that generation of people

that's

amazing.

It's

2001.

There are

hundreds of years

at the starting point

of our story.

That's

amazing what

happened at that time.

We

were

living

in your

house,

building

houses

with rooms

especially

for the

bones.

And

that

made her

a maid.

She

worked first

as a maid.

One more world

and two more.

Yes, yes, yes.

I have

one more

fun fact.

Yes.

So

we all know

that there are

tons of

written

films

from here.

But there is

also a very recent

film

based on

the story

of the sister's

father.

And that's

what

Oscar

won.

I

think

it's

interesting that

you

saw

that

he

inspired

you.

And

there are

other

stories

from

his

own

life.

So

it

remains

an

inspiring

story.

I

just

used that

to

criticize

the bourgeoisie

society.

So

you

wrote

Le Bon

in 1947.

It's

still

played

by

many

societies.

Sartrin

wrote about it

and

in

his

decision

about the matter,

he

wrote that

for him

that

his sister's

father

had

less money

than

a glass

break

or

he

stayed

in a

salon

with

fresh

steve

lakens

who

earn

in our eyes

not

one

but

hundreds of

times

the death

strike.

And

he

concluded

that it

is a

social criticism.

He

actually

apologizes

to the

house of their youth

to be

responsible.

It is a

different system

that

produces

monsters

that

monsters

and

murders

by

the middle class.

Yes

there is always

something to say.

Now

for me

they are

100%

sorry.

But

I understand

and indeed

I don't think you want to know

how life

should have been

within those walls.

You can never

know that.

And

they start

badly,

they come from a family

with

really

a lot of misery.

I never

had a good example.

You

really

were on the side

by your mother.

Your father

is going to

rape his sister.

The

fight with

mental problems.

Yes

But

I think

it is

not

as far as

we know.

Yes

but

Leonie is

very strict

and we know

that the rest

It is also

physically

well done

to the

2

servants

girls.

No

but

that

along

their side

no reaction

has been

Yes

and

then

it is

over.

Yes

and also

just

those eyes

where

I also see

all the time

how do

you do that?

Because

you really have to

I really want to

Yes

Can you not please?

No

but just

the idea

that you

will do

Yes

and the other

then says

good idea

Yes

That

is just

the cruel thing

because they

had

it

was also

over

No

it is clear

that

yes

Yes

well

that was

Well

yes

but

but

absolutely

absolutely

and I'm going to

look for

the next

episode

what we're going to do

not look for too much mystery

Tom Tom Tom

Tom Tom

Thank you

for listening

Yes

but nice

we're always looking for

a special

that

to come

maybe we

have to

actually

we already have

some ideas

we have some ideas

and

well

we're going to talk about it

I have

an idea

this is

our standard

this is standard

Eva

she has

an idea

you're going to see

I'm going to blow

ok that was

Bye

Bye

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