Global News Podcast: Zelensky tells UN that Russian 'evil cannot be trusted'
BBC 9/20/23 - Episode Page - 31m - PDF Transcript
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This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service.
I'm Robin Brandt and in the early hours of Wednesday the 20th of September these are our
main stories. President Zelensky has warned that Russia is a threat to the whole world.
In his first in-person speech at the UN General Assembly since the invasion of Ukraine.
Azerbaijan has said it won't stop its assault on the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh
until ethnic Armenian separatists surrender. One of Colombia's largest remaining rebel groups
has agreed to a ceasefire and renew peace talks. Also in this podcast.
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First Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned world leaders that Russia's
invasion of his country is a grave threat to the whole world. He was making his first speech
in person at the UN General Assembly since Moscow's full-scale attack began last year.
President Zelensky urged the U.S. President Joe Biden and other allies present to remain united
in backing Ukraine to ensure its victory. We have to stop it. We must act united to defeat the aggressor
and focus all our capabilities and energy on addressing these challenges. As nukes are restrained
likewise the aggressor must be restrained and all its tools and methods of war each war now
can become final but it takes our unity to make sure that aggression will not
break in again. Well a short time before that President Biden had warned the world leaders
at the UN meeting to resist what he called Russia's naked aggression in Ukraine. We have to stand up to
this naked aggression today and deter other would-be aggressors tomorrow. That's why the United
States together with our allies and partners around the world will continue to stand with
the brave people of Ukraine as they defend their sovereignty and territorial integrity
and their freedom. But the audience for his address was missing notable counterparts with
France, the United Kingdom and Russia all not sending their leaders. I spoke to the BBC's
Nader Tophik who's in New York and asked her did it help that Mr Zelensky was actually there in
person. Well I mean you can certainly tell that you know attention was going to be high and certainly
was. I mean even when he came into the UN General Assembly there was a swarm of press. He's been
doing the press round several interviews since he's been here. He got a standing ovation before
and after his speech so I think him being here in person has certainly highlighted what he has to
say. It's given him that real platform but as you say it was a very familiar message. What he did
note was that he is going to outline details of his peace proposal in a security council meeting
but we saw him holding bilateral meetings with the likes of South Africa's President Cyril
Remaposa and others who haven't been as outright in condemning Russia for its invasion. So I think
him being in person being able to speak face to face with these people he's hoping it does have
an impact. There is other topics clearly climate I think sustainable development goals but is the
truth that this meeting is all Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine. Well certainly the next several days
there are going to be attention on President Zelensky's movement as I mentioned the security
council meeting then he goes off to the White House on Thursday to meet with Joe Biden there
and congressional leaders who are a bit conflicted on the Republican side about continued aid. So I
think we're going to see eyes focused on him but we really have been seeing leaders and others
focusing on things like climate and it is getting a decent amount of attention here.
Nedotovic in New York Azerbaijan says it will continue its military assaults on Nagorno-Karabakh
until Armenian separatists there surrender. Officials in the disputed territory say 25 people
have been killed and more than 80 injured since fighting broke out early on Tuesday.
Azerbaijani forces have launched artillery missile and drone attacks in the breakaway
enclave which is recognized internationally as part of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan insists it was
forced to take action after six of its citizens were blown up by landmines but a spokesperson
for the administration running the enclave Ghegem Stepanyan said Azerbaijan wants to ethnically
cleanse Armenians from the territory. Azerbaijan is using all kinds of weaponry starting from
artillery rockets UAVs they are targeting not only a military object but also civilian communities
they are calling this attack counter terrorist operation but this is nothing else than a
bloody stage of Azerbaijani genocidal policy. Well for more on this brewing conflict I heard
from our Caucasus correspondent Rehan Dimitri. It's increasingly looking like it's a major
military operation taking place in Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijan has launched what is described as an
anti-terror operation and it looks like Azerbaijan is determined to establish full control of its
breakaway region populated by 120,000 ethnic Armenians. We're trying to piece together the
picture of what's happening and that of course we're looking at social media and the videos that
are being posted so there are reports of casualties among the civilian population including children
and one video which I saw showed the main hospital in Stepanakert which is the regional
capital showing a kind of chaotic scenes and more injured people being delivered there.
However Azerbaijan claims that it is specifically targeting only a military infrastructure it issued
a warning to the ethnic Armenian population asking them to seek cover and saying that they
will not be harmed. Armenia is describing this as ethnic cleansing and it says that the aim
of this military offensive by Azerbaijan is to drive ethnic Armenians out of the territory.
So can you just clarify despite Azerbaijan saying it is targeting military installations
it gave a warning as you just reported there are some reports of civilian casualties including
children. That's correct yes civilian casualties and that number is rising so it's really difficult
to say how many are now the latest figure I saw was 25 and two of them were civilian casualties.
There has been a growing international pressure on Azerbaijan from the EU foreign policy chief
from the German chancellor and a number of other European nations and they're all calling
on Azerbaijan to immediately stop its military offensive and return to negotiations. They're
saying that Baku should talk directly with Karabakh Armenians but Baku is saying that it is ready
to hold talks on its territory with representatives of the Armenian community of Nagorno-Karabakh.
However it says that it will continue its anti-terror operation until the local government
which it calls a puppet regime in Stepanakert surrenders and disarms fully.
Rehan Dimitri a former member of Belarus's security forces has told the Swiss court
how his unit abducted three opposition activists in 1999 before killing them. At his trial Yuri
Goravsky said he was involved in snatching the men from the streets of Minsk but he told the court
several times that he was not the gunman. Sarah Rainsford has more. Yuri Goravsky arrived in
court with police protection and his hood pulled down low over his eyes because he says the testimony
he's giving here has put his own life in danger. The former special forces soldier has confessed to
taking part in the abduction of three men in Belarus in 1999 or three were killed. They were
opponents of Alexander Lukashenko who was then tightening his grip on power. Today two daughters
of the disappeared sat and hugged in the front row just meters from the man who described how his
secret unit had snatched their fathers from the streets of Minsk. He said both have been killed
with two shots each to the back. We're going to go to Libya now where the World Health Organization
says more than 400 migrants are among those who'd lost their lives in last week's devastating floods
in the east of the country. The organization said the figure came from deaths reported by
Libyan hospitals. Thousands of African and Middle Eastern migrants are temporarily based in Libya
with many hoping to reach Europe from there. Estimates of the overall number of people who
died in the storm vary widely but hospital reports put the figure at around four thousand.
Many died in the coastal city of Derna where torrential rain caused two dams to collapse
triggering catastrophic flooding. On Monday the house of the ousted mayor of the city was
torched and there were large protests. Now journalists are being told to stay away from
Derna. Rebecca Kesby spoke to the BBC's Anna Foster on Tuesday. She's one of those who had
been in the city but was asked to leave. Well we've been operating in Derna for several days now
and we've noticed as more and more journalists have arrived it has become a little more difficult
in terms of getting permission to go in and operate in the city. We heard late last night a
rumor that the journalists weren't going to be allowed to operate in Derna anymore and in fact
that was the case today. Local journalists, international journalists were asked to leave.
I think the timing is quite interesting because there were protests in Derna last night. The
protests against the eastern-based administration people very unhappy with their leadership
feeling like they failed when it came to things like maintaining those dams that burst and
allowed all of that water to flow through Derna washing so much of it away and then less than
24 hours later we see this crack down on reporting from the city. We saw a real communications black
out this morning you know areas that we were moving through that that had had patchy but
existent phone reception and data were now completely out of contact and really now we're
sort of waiting and watching to see what the authorities will do. They said that there were
too many people in Derna hampering the recovery effort that was their excuse for doing this
so we look to see whether this is something that changes that goes back in the next few days or
whether indeed they are trying to to seal this city off when it comes to reporting and to finding
out what's going on in there. What's been your experience with local people when you've been
talking to them? Have they been happy that you've been there to report the story? In situations like
this you know often people they appreciate the opportunity to actually talk about what has
happened to them and to let the wider world know what has happened to them and of course when people
don't we sort of leave them in peace. I don't feel like I've seen journalists particularly
getting underfoot I mean there've been a lot of them volunteer workers as well people from different
parts of of Libya who've come across and who've been involved in that recovery effort including
people who have come from the west from Tripoli and there are some suggestions again I don't know
how much truth there is in this that now perhaps the eastern-based authorities don't want people
from the west to be here anymore given that split that there is in Libya given that you have these
two rival administrations that they perhaps have have accepted that early help but they want to try
and return to the old order a little bit now. Anifoster in Libya. Japan has long been engaged
in a struggle to provide for its aging population it has one of the lowest birth rates in the world
just how acute the problem is is illustrated by new data which for the first time
shows that more than one in 10 people in Japan are now aged 80 or over. Tim Franks spoke to Dr
Paul Morland a demographer and author of the forthcoming book Procreate or Perish.
Well the Japanese Prime Minister has talked about civilization or collapse and I think we have to
give him the credit for knowing what he's talking about. Japan is at the cutting edge of what the
rest of the world is heading for which is what happens when you've had 50 or 60 years of too
few births and significantly too few in the case of Japan and an extending life expectancy
we should celebrate the extending life expectancy and the Japanese have done a fantastic job at
keeping people alive but if you're not having the children to support that aging population
it's going to be a disaster. And the turnaround in figures is utterly stark isn't it I mean I was
reading I think the figures from some research that you've done but about you know the number of
young people there were for every elderly person back in the 60s and how that has changed. Yes when
Japan hit a hundred million people back in the mid 60s there were five or six workers for everyone
over aged over 60 when it gets back to a hundred million on the way down which is going to be in
the 2050s there's going to be less than one person in their 20s to 60s to everyone over 60 how a
society like that is going to function where you have less than one person in work for every one
retiree it's very hard to fathom. What are the answers I mean how far are countries such as
Japan looking at other possible solutions like encouraging immigration? Migration has been an
incredibly important part of the picture for countries in Europe that are prepared to undergo
rapid ethnic change. Japan is not prepared to do that and Japan is a very distant and obscure
culture for people in the high fertility parts of the world it's not somewhere they understand
it's not somewhere they have communities and mass immigration is not wanted in Japan and even for
those of us in countries like Britain that have had mass immigration we have to realise
that the fertility rates are dropping in countries like Poland where we've traditionally recruited
people from so we're just moving pieces around on the chessboard for Japan the only answer is to
increase its birth rate its fertility rate per woman and that requires not just government policy
and the government has been trying but a complete cultural turnaround. Right and I guess the issue
I mean you know for people such as you who study these things it's not just that this is
sort of a pressing need right now but I mean it's something that's going to need quite a sustained
effort because presumably demographic trends are not something that you sort of you change in an
instant. No even if Japan's women now started having larger families there are so few young
women of fertile years in Japan it's going to take a very long time to turn around and that's
because we've been sailing into this iceberg for 50 or 60 years and paying it almost no attention.
The demographer Paul Morland
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world service find it wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Welcome back to the global news pod now
to an area of India where ethnic tensions are extremely high more than 200 people have been
killed so far and incidents of violence continue in Manipur state in the northeast of the country
where violence broke out between the majority Mai Tai and minority kooky communities in May.
It's a conflict marked by brutal murders and sexual crimes against women
which have shocked India and left the state deeply divided. Our South Asia correspondent
Yogita Lemay went to Manipur. This bloody conflict descended after months of tensions
between the two communities over quotas and jobs in education land rights and political power.
In the first few days of the violence those killed were overwhelmingly
from the cookie minority and they still account for two-thirds of all casualties.
While the violence in Manipur started in early May it only really came into both the national
as well as the international spotlight in late July when a video was circulated on social media
which showed two women being paraded around naked by a mob of men and the younger woman
in her 20s was allegedly gang raped afterwards. I'm about to meet the mother of the younger woman
now her husband and her 19 year old son were killed by the same mob.
Watching the video made me want to die to see how my daughter was treated to know
what was done to my family. My husband's arms were slashed with knives. My son was in the 12th
grade. He was brutally beaten with rods. They were killed in front of my daughter.
What we are seeing on both sides of this conflict in Manipur are civilians telling us
that they feel like they have to pick up weapons to protect themselves their families their villages
their community. I'm at a bunker on the cookie side and it's essentially just a makeshift shed
which has been propped up with bamboo sticks and it has thin sheet for a roof. There are three people
in front of me there who have guns and they're pointing towards the other side which is the
one man who works as a laborer told us why he was there.
It's up to us to defend ourselves now we have no evil intentions we do not want violence
but this has become necessary now because we don't trust the police or other security forces to
protect us. Less than a mile across the paddy fields we also went to a very similar bunker
on the Maite side. I am 26. I'm 26. In front of me right now I can see four men they all have
big guns. When did you learn how to fire a weapon? Two months ago. We've been struck by how many
civilians we've seen carrying weapons some even in front of Indian security forces. Their spokesman
didn't respond to the BBC's questions but have claimed they are seizing illegal weapons.
It's easy to understand how the enmity between the communities became so bitter and deep so
quickly when you hear details of the violence. I've come now to a small house in the countryside
to meet with the family of 33-year-old David Tolol who was killed on the 2nd of July.
His family says that he was killed by a mob of Maite men. We have seen a very graphic video
and I'm now going to speak to his brother Abraham.
It was so painful seeing the video. I have trouble sleeping. I don't even keep his photos on my
phone because if I see them it keeps coming back. People from both sides of the conflict are expecting
Prime Minister Narendra Modi's national government to step in and resolve the crisis. They've told
us that they are disappointed that despite the severity of the violence for months he didn't
speak about it and they say even now there are no concrete steps being taken on the ground
even though both the regional government of Manipur and the national government of India
are run by Mr Modi's party. Yogi Tert Limay reporting from India's northeast. The Colombian
government and the EMC rebel group have agreed to resume peace talks and implement a 10-month
ceasefire starting next month. The first round of negotiations will be held near the border with
Venezuela. Leonardo Rosha reports. The EMC or Estado Mayor Central has about 3,000 members.
It's the largest dissident faction from the FARC rebel group which broke away when the FARC signed
a peace agreement with the government in 2016 after six decades of fighting. President Gustavo
Petro Afomo Marxist rebel himself has promised to break Colombia's historical cycle of violence
by inviting all armed groups to peace talks. The EMC leader Ivan Mortisco initially refused to
engage in negotiations but he changed his mind after surviving a deadly attack against one of
the group's camps a year ago. Leonardo Rosha reporting. Now head pain, fatigue, problems with
your sight. All these are symptoms of migraine. A type of headache which can be so debilitating
that people find it impossible to do their job. And this week a British member of parliament,
Dehena Davison, resigned in her job as a government minister saying chronic migraines have made it
impossible to do that job. But what's it like having chronic migraines and how does it affect
your life? James Reynolds spoke to two people who suffer from the condition. Kerry Spalding from
Leicestershire in central England and Cynthia Camuna from Nairobi in Kenya. First Cynthia and
some people may find the following distressing. Several things happen so sometimes I can collapse,
I can lose my sight in a flash, I can have a consistent pain that goes on for days on end.
One of the examples I could share is I've had once a migraine that went for about 31 days
of consistent pain without any ease. So it's crippling, it affects your work, it affects your
social life, it affects your way of life and it's not an easy issue to deal with especially if you're
working in a very busy environment. It sounds terrible, particularly that 30 odd day attack
that you had. And let's bring in Kerry here in England. You've just heard Cynthia describe
the excruciating pain that she goes through. How is it for you? Actually there's several
different types of migraine that people can suffer from. I'm a vestibular migraine patient
which all sounds very familiar to the other sufferer that's just been talking. I get persistent
vertigo as well. So I have vertigo where it feels like it's spinning on the inside of my body
and on the outside of my body which then causes me to vomit constantly and that can last for
days on end. I think the longest bout I've had is like seven days literally vomiting night and day.
My attacks can last anywhere up to six weeks at a time. I also go blind. I have to stay in a dark
room. I can't bear any light at all. I can't bear any noise at all. So I just become completely
debilitated in bed and completely isolated from the world, unable to work, socialise and basically
you know get out of bed. Well vivid descriptions there of severe symptoms from migraine sufferers
Kerry Spaulding here in England and before her Cynthia Kamuna from Nairobi in Kenya. Now the
artificial intelligence company Google DeepMind has used its technology to identify mutations
in human DNA that might cause diseases. The development is expected to speed up efforts to
find new more effective drugs for conditions such as brain disorders, heart disease and cancer.
Our science correspondent Palab Ghosh has more. Our DNA contains the information to build bodies.
It contains repeated blocks of chemicals known by the initials A, C, T and G and they have to be
in a particular sequence. If there's a mistake in the order of the letters it can lead to a
faulty gene and cause disease. But there are billions of these blocks and so far scientists
have identified a tiny fraction of the changes in order that lead to disease. Experts at Google
DeepMind have developed an AI tool called Alpha Missense that's about to make the search for
faulty genes or mutations much easier. Pushmead Kohli is in charge of the firm's drive to develop
AI tools for science. The knowledge that we have acquired till now is fairly limited only a very
small fraction 0.1% of the Missense mutations are known to be either benign or disease causing
with our model that proportion goes to 89%. DNA leads to the creation of the body's
building blocks which are called proteins. Last year Google DeepMind's AI worked out the
shape of nearly all of them. The new system can tell if the letters in the DNA will produce the
correct shape. If not it's listed as potentially disease causing. Palab Ghosh reporting.
And that's all from us for now but there will be a new edition of the Global News podcast later.
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The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Robin Brandt. Thanks for listening. Goodbye.
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Machine-generated transcript that may contain inaccuracies.
The Ukrainian president Volodymr Zelensky tells the UN General Assembly that the world must unite to end Russia's aggression. Also: Azerbaijan targets Nagorno-Karabakh and demands surrender, and a new AI tool speeds up search for disease genes.