Strangeland: Updates + Alphabet Boys
audiochuck 3/16/23 - Episode Page - 13m - PDF Transcript
Hey everyone, it's Ben. I wanted to give y'all a quick update on a few things that have
happened since the season 2 finale came out, and also to let you know about an amazing
new show that you don't want to miss called Alphabet Boys. Okay, first off, the updates.
We've been getting a ton of messages via our website, StrangelandPodcast.com, and on our
Instagram, at StrangelandPod. And it's been amazing to see how many people have connected
with this case and with Sassy and Anisha's story. If you're sitting there thinking,
what can I do to help, here are two ideas, and they're both important. First, share the story,
tell your friends, tell your family, keep Sassy and Anisha's memory alive. Then,
if you're up for it, give the Burlington County Prosecutor's Office a call. We put their contact
info up on the Strangeland website and Instagram. Let them know that we need justice for Sassy
and Anish. As criminologist Wendy Reggetsy told us in the season finale, keeping the pressure on
can get results. If you have a case that's high profile or you have families that are demanding
justice and keeping stories about the homicide in the public domain, that can certainly exercise
an impact on police practices or procedures to be able to solve that crime. We've received
numerous emails from listeners who have reached out to the Maple Shade Police Department and the
Burlington County Prosecutor's Office. And unfortunately, authorities still do not seem
to be taking our investigation or this case very seriously. Wenshors told us that the Prosecutor's
Office is still using the open and active investigation line. Another source informed us
that the Prosecutor's Office said the Strangeland podcast is not reliable because, quote,
the podcast includes interviews with a bunch of homeless people, unquote. That's what they
said. Interviews with a bunch of homeless people. Please voice your support for Sassy and Anish
by continuing to put pressure on authorities to solve this case. Those numbers again are at
Strangelandpodcast.com and on our Instagram at Strangelandpod. And just in case you have a pen
and paper handy, you can call 609-265-5035. Okay, also, the sixth anniversary of Sassy and Anish's
murder is coming up in one week. And some listeners in the Maple Shade area are organizing a vigil
at Anish's Memorial Garden this Saturday, March 18th at 11am. If you're interested in participating,
hit up our Instagram for more info and get connected to the organizers. Again, that's Instagram
at Strangelandpod. I wish I could be there. We all do. Please do send pics and we'll definitely put
them up on Insta. Okay, here's one last thing. A podcast recommendation. Since you've finished
Strangeland, and no doubt already binged the deck investigates, shout out to Ashley Flowers,
it's an amazing show. We got your next binge all lined up, Alphabet Boys. Have you ever
wanted to go deep undercover with law enforcement and see what happens when they target people for
arrest? Alphabet Boys is a new show that immerses you in secret underground investigations from
the alphabet agencies, CIA, FBI, ATF, DEA, ETC. What you'll find is that for every James Bond slash
Jason Bourne, there's a very heavy dose of Reno 911. It's a great show. Season one of Alphabet
Boys is called Trojan Hearse. You'll hear why in the first episode. It tells the story of a man
named Mickey Windecker, who the FBI hired to infiltrate the Black Lives Matter movement
in the summer of 2020. It's a wild story. How wild? Well, here's a short excerpt of Alphabet Boys.
Okay, it is August, August 28, 2020, at approximately 402 p.m. Special Agent Scott
Dahlstrom with Special Agent Byron Mitchell, CHS, for Meet with Zebedias Hall. It's late
afternoon on a warm day in Denver, Colorado. It's drizzling outside and Michael Adam Windecker,
the second, or Mickey, as he prefers, is sitting in the backseat of an FBI car. Two federal agents
are with him. And one of them, FBI Special Agent Scott Dahlstrom, has just handed Mickey a small
hidden camera. Mickey turns the camera to his face, shooting from an unflattering angle below
his chin. You can see Mickey's thin red mustache and scraggly goatee that's turning gray. He's
propped his large sunglasses on his forehead, and he's looking straight down into the tiny
camera lens. Mickey is not ready for his close-up. The FBI agents tell him to remember his instructions,
which were given to him before the camera started recording. Mickey then walks to his car,
the silver hearse, and places the FBI's camera on the passenger seat. Mickey looks down toward
the camera and addresses the FBI agents, who are watching the live feed remotely. Mickey has good
reason to feel patriotic in this moment. The FBI has signed him up as an informant, or, in the FBI's
term of art, a confidential human source. And Mickey's getting paid thousands of dollars every few
weeks. Cash. And Mickey, he's got a very specific assignment from his employers at the FBI. Go after
his new friend, the young black activist, Zeb Hall, and find a way to bring federal charges against
him. As the song ends, Mickey again looks down toward the FBI camera. America. I'm Trevor
Aaronson. This is Alphabet Boys. So, to come right out and say it,
Mickey Windecker wasn't a badass and Tifa warrior after all, as activists like Zeb Hall had thought.
He was an informant, a snitch, working for the FBI. Which seems to go against everything Mickey
claims to be, right? Remember his little life rule? Fuck the three peas. Yeah. Turns out,
that's bullshit. Fuck the two peas. Maybe. Because this Mickey guy, he's in bed with the
police. And the cops are not only helping him, they're paying him. Today, the FBI has more than
15,000 registered informants. And in the summer of 2020, Mickey is one of them. That conversation
you heard in the last episode, when Mickey and Zeb were talking about training at Zeb's apartment,
Mickey, on his own initiative, had secretly recorded the whole thing and delivered it
to the FBI, apparently in the hopes of getting hired on as an informant. I need your help
in doing this stuff. I'll leave you alone. I'm fine. Well, here's the thing. You have,
and that's where I'm coming around to is, you have to decide where and what you're going
to do. You know, I can't seem to tell you, oh yeah, you should totally like blow up rich
neighborhoods and shoot the white people and burn the federal courthouse down. This recording
ended up being Mickey's audition tape for the FBI. The official explanation for how
Mickey Windecker became an informant can be found in FBI reports. Internal investigation
reports focused on racial justice demonstrators in Denver. These reports aren't public. And
the FBI didn't intend to have them out there. Maybe not ever. They were provided to me along
with Mickey's undercover recordings by someone who was deeply concerned about the FBI surveillance
and infiltration of black activist groups. According to the FBI's reports, Mickey had
returned to Denver after being a volunteer fighter with the Peshmerga, the Kurdish military
force in Iraq that was fighting the Islamic State or ISIS. Mickey told the FBI, and I'm
quoting here from the report, that he found a sense of purpose and honor there and made
an oath to always fight against threats both foreign and domestic.
War with ISIS. Kurdish troops in a frontline battle with an enemy that took their land.
Mickey was among dozens of Americans who volunteered to fight for the Peshmerga. With them, a half
dozen Americans, veterans of the war in Iraq, back as volunteers. Once back in Denver, Mickey
started participating in the protests following George Floyd's death. And he saw what was,
in his view, a new domestic threat. Mickey said he witnessed protesters damaging property
and threatening violence. So Mickey started providing information to police in the Denver
area. Local police there then introduced him to the FBI as part of something known as the
Joint Terrorism Task Force, which is a partnership between local cops and the FBI. Every major
metropolitan region in the United States has a Joint Terrorism Task Force, or JTTF. Mickey's
motivation for being an informant was, and again, I'm quoting from an internal FBI report,
to fight terrorists. And Mickey believed that, quote, people who participate in violent civil
unrest are terrorists. So Mickey, the big bad ISIS hunter just back from Iraq, now has
a new target, racial justice protesters whom he considers terrorists. But for him, there
appears to be an even deeper psychological impulse. Mickey saw himself as an antihero,
someone who operates in the gray areas of the law, delivering his own brand of justice.
Mickey wore a chain around his neck and hanging from that chain was a medallion of the logo
for the Punisher, a vigilante from the Marvel Comics universe who fights crime with an obscene
level of violence. He literally thought he was the Punisher, anything you see. The Punisher
logo was on it. And he would always wear the Punisher necklace. Even when he took a shower
or a bath, never came off. Just like a big kid, in the worst way, in the worst way. It's
awful. This is Trojan Hearse, season one of Alphabet Boys.
Okay, right? Go check out Alphabet Boys right now. It really is one of the funniest, wildest,
and also scariest shows you'll ever hear. Again, it's Alphabet Boys. Just search up
Alphabet Boys and then click on the red cover art with the gray FBI Hearse. And I'll be
back when we have more to update you on for our season of Strangeland. Again, thank you
so much for sharing Sassy and Anisha's story. Let's keep the faith and keep pushing for
justice.
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Tips on the Narra case have been pouring in. Ben gives an update and shares your next podcast binge: Alphabet Boys.
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