Global News Podcast: UN says the situation in Gaza is dire
BBC 10/13/23 - Episode Page - 32m - PDF Transcript
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I'm Gareth Barlow and in the early hours of Friday the 13th of October, these are our main
stories. Palestinian health officials say more than one and a half thousand people have been killed
in Israeli airstrikes on Gaza since Saturday. Israel's top general has admitted the military
failed in its duty to protect citizens when Hamas launched its cross-border assault at the weekend.
In other news, Russia's Olympic Committee has been suspended from the Olympic movement for
recognizing sports organizations in occupied parts of Ukraine. Also in this podcast,
all members of UK society, regardless of how wealthy and famous they are, must pay their taxes.
The former head of Formula One motor racing, Bernie Echelstone, has received a suspended
prison sentence after admitting fraud. Palestinian health officials in the Gaza strip
say that more than 1,500 people have been killed in Israeli airstrikes since Saturday.
The latest reports from Gaza say an airstrike on an apartment block has left at least 25
Palestinians dead. Israeli military says more than 6,000 bombs have been dropped on the territory
in its response to last Saturday's unprecedented cross-border assault by Hamas.
The organization is designated a terror group by countries including the UK.
Israel says it won't lift the restrictions to the Gaza strip even for humanitarian deliveries
unless Hamas frees all its hostages. The World Food Programme has warned that food and water
are quickly running out in Gaza. It described the situation as dire. Meanwhile, medical centers
have been overwhelmed after Israel imposed what it's described as a complete siege on the territory.
Dr Mohammed Amater at the El Shifa Hospital in Gaza spoke to the BBC on Thursday.
As whole Gaza neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble, more than 300,000 people have fled their
homes to other parts of the tiny Gaza strip. Our correspondent in Gaza, Rushdie Abu Alouf,
has been covering the developments throughout the crisis. This is his latest report.
Israel has been targeting houses this time according to Hamas. Some of the houses belong to
Hamas activists, the Hamas government building, Hamas training facility, Hamas military compound,
even charity organization. Hamas banks were also destroyed. Any building belongs to Hamas
whether it's used for the civilian activity or military activity has been targeted. But we
are talking about buildings within among neighborhoods where thousands of civilians live.
When they hit the Ramel neighborhood, which considered for a very long time the safe heaven
for the people of Gaza, they destroyed about 11 residential buildings located next to the Hamas
ministries and next to Hamas police station. As you know, Hamas is not only a military wing,
they have been running this place for the last 17 years. So they are the government,
they have police stations, they have institutions, they have medical centers,
they have everything. Some of the buildings are used for Hamas training militants,
but other buildings were used for civilian. We are not talking about buildings located outside
the city. No, it's inside the neighborhoods where hundreds of people live and they all affected by
the Israeli airstrikes targeting Hamas. That was Rushdie Abu Alouf in Gaza. Well,
Israel is continuing to gather its military forces around Gaza and what's being described as
preparations for a possible ground invasion. Tens of thousands of troops and heavy armor
being positioned, hundreds of thousands of reservists have been called up. I spoke to our
chief international correspondent, Lise Doucet, who's in the city of Ashkelon.
With every day you see the preparations that Israel is making for what's believed to be
an all but certain ground invasion at some point. Today we were in the border town of Sturot.
At one point it is less than a mile from Gaza. We could see on the horizon the plumes of dark
smoke rising from Gaza city. There was the sound of heavy artillery all through the day,
artillery firing into Gaza, part of that non-stop bombardment that we hear from our
reporter there, Rushdie Abu Alouf. But Israel's iron dome system, the air defense system, was also
in action today intercepting missiles fired by Hamas. So the military side of this war certainly
isn't letting up and in fact it's intensifying. Lise, I wanted to pick up on some of the
conversations you will have heard with people in Sturot. You've been speaking to civilians
and also the mayor there. Some of our listeners may know the name of Sturot because it has been on
the front line. Every time there is an escalation in violence they always take the brunt of the
rockets and I remember decades ago where the rockets that used to hit Sturot would be crude
handmade missiles that that's all that the Hamas fighters had. Now decades on they are raining
missiles on the area and we ran in immediately to the mayor of Sturot. Many people have left,
not everyone, but the streets were largely deserted and he was calling on Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu to help him evacuate the town. So I asked him what life was like in Sturot now.
This is a dangerous place now because we are so close to the border of Gaza. You see all the
hundreds of the missiles that land on the town. You see all the injured from the rocket. We have
people that died from that. It's good for the family that live in Sturot to be outside from the city.
People have not left already. You haven't asked them to leave. People left but imagine if you
you have your family you cannot rent a hotel for one month from your money. This is responsible
of the country to give them the support that they need. That was the voice there of the
mayor of the town of Sturot speaking to our chief international correspondent Leastus Set.
Well Israel's top general has admitted that the country's armed forces fail to protect the state
and its citizens when Hamas launched its cross-border attack on Saturday.
General Hersey Halevi told reporters that the IDF did not live up to its responsibilities
and that lessons would eventually be learnt. But the general said that for now it was time for war.
He said Gaza would not look the same when it was over.
The IDF is responsible for the security of the state and its citizens and on Saturday morning
in Otef Gaza we did not handle it. This heinous attack was decided by Yahya Sinwar,
the ruler of the Gaza Strip and therefore he and all the system below him are mortal.
We will attack them. We will dismantle them. We will dismantle their system.
Well Israel is still said to be in shock after last weekend's unprecedented attack
and the murder by gunmen from Hamas of at least 1300 people. The perimeter of the Gaza Strip is
just 40 kilometers or 25 miles long. So then how did Hamas manage to carry out such a brazen
operation taking everyone by complete surprise? Well security correspondent is Gordon Carrerum
and he's been investigating Israel's defense of its border with the Gaza Strip.
Israel had built what it called an iron wall around its perimeter. That included a high-tech fence
with defences extending below ground to block tunnels while above there were observation towers,
surveillance cameras and sensors to detect movement. So just how did Hamas manage to break out?
It began early Saturday morning with a volley of more than 2000 rockets launched out of Gaza
sending Israelis racing to their shelters but that was just to provide cover for what else
Hamas was doing. Commercial drones carrying explosives were flown towards the security
fence. Crucially they also knocked out communications towers and cameras leaving
Israel blind. With rockets flying overhead Hamas fighters flew out on motorized hand gliders.
At the same time explosives were used to blow holes in the fence at some locations at other places
holes were cut. Bulldozers then widened some of the gaps. There were dozens of breaches along
the entire perimeter. This allowed motorbikes and vehicles to flood out. At least a thousand gunmen
were now inside Israel. They overwhelmed border checkpoints adding to the chaos for Israeli
forces who were struggling to communicate and understand the scale of events. This complex
attack would have taken months perhaps years of preparation. The fact they managed to plan all of
this without being spotted marks a significant intelligence failure. They even deceived Israel
into thinking they weren't interested in another conflict right now. Israeli troops arguably
over reliant on technology that was now disabled were thinly spread. Some gunmen headed to military
bases. It was Saturday morning and a religious holiday. Israeli forces were taken by surprise.
Some soldiers killed in their barracks. This all meant that gunmen were able to head to other
settlements nearby meeting little resistance for hours until the full picture of what was
happening became clearer and more forces could be deployed. It would take days to regain full
control of the Gaza border. Analysis there from Gordon Carrera. Against the backdrop of the war
the US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken held talks with Prime Minister Netanyahu to offer
America's unwavering support for Israel. At a news conference on Thursday at the military headquarters
in Tel Aviv Mr Blinken stood alongside Benjamin Netanyahu and spoke of their close ties. People
of Israel have long and rightly prided themselves on their self-reliance on their ability to defend
themselves even when the odds were stacked against them. The message that I bring to Israel is this
you may be strong enough on your own to defend yourself but as long as America exists you will
never ever have to we will always be there by your side. For his part Benjamin Netanyahu thanked
America for its support. Thank you for your important visit here today thank you thank President
Biden and thank you to the American people for your incredible support for Israel in our war
against the barbarians of Hamas. As the pair spoke Mr Blinken also delivered a personal appeal
noting that his Jewish family had fled pogroms in Europe and survived the Holocaust.
The United States top diplomat is also hoping to contain the conflict as Israel continues its most
intense bombing campaign promising to wipe out Hamas. I heard more from our diplomatic
correspondent James Landel. I think that what was striking about Mr Blinken's response to what he
learned here today was interesting in just that he was clearly emotional about it it really touched
him personally he spoke repeatedly about his own Jewish ancestry he spoke about how being
overwhelmed by some of the images that the Israeli government had shown him so I think that was a
sort of personal human response and demonstration of support that went alongside the diplomatic the
geopolitical the military support that has been given at the same time but alongside that again
came the cautionary note when Mr Blinken made it very clear to the Israelis that for all that support
he still said look Israel has a right to defend itself but how it does that matters he said
Israel had to take every possible precaution to protect civilians from harm so for all the US
support there is still that cautionary note to say it's not a completely blank check it's not
completely carte blanche it strikes me he could have voiced this support from Washington DC the
British Foreign Minister James Cleverley who's also been in Israel could have done similar from
London there surely is symbolism by the very fact the very nature that they have gone to Israel and
made these comments on Israeli soil absolutely and that's why other foreign ministers are following
suit and will be coming to visit Israel in coming days sometimes particularly in such a traumatic
situation as this physical presence matters but equally that will matter in coming days when
Mr Blinken meets Arab leaders throughout the gulf and elsewhere just so that he can look them in
the eye too and say look we need to be concerned about the humanitarian situation as he described
it in Gaza we need to be concerned about the civilians and he spoke about the need to talk
about seeing whether there's a possibility of opening up a corridor of safe passage for civilians
out of Gaza and things like that Mr Blinken's been holding abrasive news conferences in Tel Aviv
he spoke about the hostages that are being held by Hamas in Gaza let's just take a listen to what
he had to say we're doing everything we can to secure the release of the hostages working closely
with our Israeli partners I brought with me to Israel our deputy special representative for
hostage affairs Steve Gillan who joined my meetings with the families and will stay on the ground
here to support the efforts to free their loved ones how does the US manage to leverage
its strength in the region how does it manage to leverage its contacts like you say with other
Middle Eastern countries to try and resolve things like the hostage situation the US can bring
intelligence it can bring expertise but ultimately it's the Israelis that will be in charge of this
and it'll be the Israelis who have to make the brutal calculation of how hard do they wish
to destroy Hamas as a military machine and how much do they wish to save the hostages because
it is possible that those two imperatives are attention sometime one Israeli commentator said
almost for Hamas they've almost got too many logistically it's hard to keep 150 people which
is the number we're talking so there's talk possibly maybe of women and children being
exchanged at some point maybe making a distinction between soldiers and civilians and things like
that but this is very very early days it'll be complicated these hostages will be spread all over
in different locations throughout Gaza and they are in a very perilous situation the voice there
of James Lander well the White House has now confirmed that 27 US citizens were killed in
the Hamas attacks and that 14 remain unaccounted for and we heard just there about the sensitive
nature of hostage negotiations so how do you get people out alive well the Israeli Defence Forces
or IDF believe that 150 hostages have been dispersed throughout tunnels under Gaza in locations that
were not known to be used by Hamas prior to this conflict for more on this the BBC's Christian
Fraser spoke to Scott Walker a former hostage negotiator who's resolved more than 300 cases
in his career how does he view the current hostage situation in Gaza well as you can imagine in the
early hours and days there's lots of high motion uncertainty and confusion so one of the early
stages is try and build an information intelligence picture try and find out what is going on who
actually has the hostages and try and engage in some kind of dialogue with them it's different
though when you're dealing with an organization rather than a state or a government and the demands
of Hamas are so much different to what other groups would be looking for correct well this is
the challenge in this particular case because the negotiations when they take place are actually
occurring in a war zone there's an extra dimension to it as well and there are so many of them
spread out across Gaza as well as you mentioned earlier in tunnels and basements and what have
you it seems to me that the strategy has to be keeping in the mind of the hostage takers the
value of the people they're holding how do you do that absolutely it's about humanizing them and
it's just to kind of reiterate right at the beginning when we talk about negotiation we're not talking
about agreeing or condoning or acquiescing to the hostage takers it's actually just opening up some
kind of dialogue to enable the safe and timely release so in the case of Hamas that would be
we could talk about prisoners but what you have to give us some proof of life you have to give us
some proof that they're being well cared for absolutely proof of life is one of the fundamental
aspects of all hostage negotiation and it's normally done in the very early stages what about
the complexity of this bit because as I've just described I mean I I don't know how many hostages
are in there of different nationalities but we've pulled out four the French the Brits the Americans
of course the Israelis who takes the lead because what you don't want to do is over complicate a
situation like this well my understanding is there is a coordination cell and situation room
set up and that will bring together the Americans through the FBI and the Brits and other nationalities
who have hostages taken out there as well to kind of coordinate the response to try and identify
locate where the hostages are being held and actually what are the options are including
there will be options for hostage rescue perhaps as part of the the incursion that is inevitable
but obviously only increases the risk to the hostages that was the former hostage negotiator
Scott Walker still to come finally the Australian Constitution will recognise that we were here
for 65,000 years Australians go to the polls on Saturday to decide whether indigenous people
should be recognised in the Constitution
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for now though welcome back to the global news podcast the war in Ukraine has once again had
an impact on the world of sport that's because the Russian Olympic Committee has been suspended by
the International Olympic Committee the IOC for breaching the Olympic Charter last week Russia
incorporated sports bodies in four regions in easting Ukraine that have been illegally annexed
by Moscow since its full-scale invasion began but the decision might still come as a surprise to some
as our sports reporter Alex Kapstik explains well a lot of people I think it's fair to say
might think that the Russian Olympic Committee has already been suspended because of the invasion
of Ukraine but that's not the case in fact the previous sanctions they are aimed at the Russian
government for the invasion not officials and the International Olympic Committee have always
made a point of stressing that what's happened here is that the Russian Olympic Committee
announced last week that it had formally recognized four regional organizations from
territories annexed from Ukraine so basically they absorbed the Olympic councils of the Hanks
Donetsk, Kieson and Zaporizhia and that is against the rules it breaches the Olympic Charter
the Olympic truce what they're saying is that the Russians have violated the territorial integrity
of the Ukraine Olympic Committee so that is why they have now gone and made this announcement to
suspend the Russian Olympic Committee it doesn't affect what is already in place concerning the
participation of Russian athletes may remember that earlier this year Thomas Black the ISU president
said that said they should be allowed to compete in fact he recommended that the federations allow
Russians to compete and better Russians as neutral athletes under strict conditions as individual
they can't turn up as teams although as yet they've not made a decision on whether Russians and
better Russians can compete next year's Paris Olympics and Alex what has the reaction been
to this announcement today well the Russians have dismissed it they say it's a political decision
as you would expect it's how they respond to most of these decisions that that go against them the
Ukrainians uh well they will welcome it they'll welcome this decisive action from the ISU what
it means for those Olympic councils and those regions that I mentioned uh in eastern Ukraine
will have to wait and see but the Russians as far as they're concerned they are part of the
Russian Olympic Committee Alex Kamstik the South African authorities say they have uncovered a
coal smuggling syndicate that's played a major role in the country's energy crisis the suspects
include former employees of escom the state-owned electricity firm it's widely believed that high
levels of corruption long prevented any action from being taken Ed Habersen reports South Africa
has suffered rolling blackouts for years now and authorities say criminal gangs play a major role
in the country's energy crisis they say the cartels steal high-grade coal and swap it for low-grade
coal at so-called black sites then sell the coal on the low-grade coal is then used in the country's
power stations which can lead them to break down now a group of government organizations led by
the national tax body known as SARS has launched a joint sting operation to try put a stop to the
gangs and recoup millions in tax money it's worth noting that the issue of coal theft has
been reported in South Africa's media for several years Australians go to the polls on Saturday in
a historic referendum a vote on what is called the indigenous voice a proposal to change the
constitution to recognize Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and create a body that
can advise governments on issues that affect their communities the referendum was proposed as a way to
try and unite the country but it's produced a campaign that's bitterly divided people
so which way will Australians vote Katie Watson begins her report from the town of the Aboriginal
community of Yereba in the far north of Queensland there's a music festival going on in the Aboriginal
town of Yereba it's a celebration of the world's oldest living culture
this is the country often touted as a multicultural success story but Australia's going through a
historical reckoning reflecting on its violent colonial past and looking towards a new future
it means that finally the Australian constitution will recognize that we were here for 65 000 years
Australia's indigenous minister Linda Burney was on stage at Yereba to urge people to vote yes
in this referendum the government proposal was to give Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people
a voice on issues that affect them most trying to narrow the inequalities on issues such as
education poverty and health not far away we meet Suzanne Andrews at one of the health centres she
runs in Yereba she knows all too well the poor health outcomes in communities like hers
when we're looking at or making decisions around health or health policies we need to be making
those decisions from us people on the ground here in communities not in the doors of parliament in
Canberra my late parents would be wondering what i'm doing on a Sunday morning not being in church
for fellow indigenous Queenslander Noel Pearson one of the leaders who's pushed for this referendum
it's bigger than that the legacy we're trying to sort out here is a British legacy
it is the bloody and miserable legacy of colonization we have a chance here it's a one
nation's lifetime opportunity to get it right
polling suggests the majority of indigenous Australians want this proposal to pass
but Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders make up little more than three percent of
Australia's population ironically the people deciding this vote and the fate of indigenous
communities will be outsiders once again it's been a bitter campaign conservative voters feel
the proposal's divisive frank titans going to vote no on saturday we're not racist people here
if you want to have a good function in country you can't have divisions you can't have
separations why we are now the proposals also expose divisions within indigenous communities
traumatizing people and heightening discrimination the voice is about assimilating us into the
colonial constitution to make us nice and neat little indigenous Australians that will
continue to be oppressed by the colonizer Lydia Thorpe is an independent senator in Victoria
the first Aboriginal senator for that state the amount of money that is going on this referendum
while our people are hungry and homeless and suicide rates are through the roof just shows you how
wrong this country is in how they think that they can fix the Aboriginal problem
back at the festival most people here clearly want this reform to pass but as Australia heads
towards the weekend it's looking like the no vote will win with that will come much reflection
about how this country values all of its people Katie Watson they're reporting from Australia
the former head of formula one motor racing Bernie Eccleston has received a suspended prison
sentence after admitting fraud back in 2015 he lied to tax inspectors failing to tell them
about hundreds of millions of dollars that he held abroad an investigation was then conducted by the
uk tax agency hmrc and the crown prosecution service or cps the judge at the court in london
said Bernie Eccleston was motivated by personal gain simon jones was at the hearing for decades
Bernie Eccleston was the face of formula one credited with revitalizing the sport today though
the billionaire businessman faced a much more humbling experience in the dock at southern crown
court in 2015 he failed to tell tax inspectors examining his financial affairs that he'd set up
a trust in Singapore with assets of more than 400 million pounds he'd lied because he'd wanted
to bring a swift end to the investigation and avoid paying large fees to his lawyers the court
heard he may not have been entirely clear how the fund was structured but his desire to save money
has cost him dear he received a 17 month jail sentence suspended for two years the judge took
into account his age Eccleston would turn 93 later this month and his frail health a chief
crown prosecutor from the cps andrew penn hale said the conviction sent out a clear message
all members of uk society regardless of how wealthy and famous they are must pay their taxes
and be transparent and open with hmrc about their financial affairs the cps are pleased
to bring such a complex case to a successful conclusion we worked very closely with hmrc
throughout and it is rewarding to see that they have also secured such a significant civil tax
settlement that settlement will involve eccleston paying 650 million pounds to cover his tax affairs
relating to an 18 year period he left court without commenting but with a conviction for fraud
following what was described as a lengthy and worldwide investigation that was simon janes well
let's stick with the theme of money because someone has just become very very rich indeed we don't
know who southern california has a new billionaire tonight that's right the one and only winning ticket
in tonight's 1.7 billion dollar powerball lottery was sold right here in southern california
1.7 billion dollars lottery officials know the winning ticket was bought at the midway market
and liquor store in frayser park that's about a hundred or so kilometers outside los angeles but so
far nobody has claimed that mega prize well the bbc's sam fennick spoke to the shop worker jane
asked what her reaction was that the winning ticket came from her store pretty crazy to me
i mean we don't know who's bought it but do you guys have a kind of idea locally who's bought it
i have no idea i'm completely like unsure and i'm really hoping it's somebody that is involved in
the community lottery tickets popular with the store do lots of people buy them yes every almost
every day almost every day how many do you think you sell them a lot every day yeah well we have
people who come in here doing it monday wednesday saturday what's the feeling with people that
have been in the shop i know it's very early with you but what's the feeling around the community
are people kind of excited about it but everybody's hoping they know who wants well i heard one of your
colleagues who also works in the store saying he wants the the winner to buy him a truck do you
have a shopping list of things that you quite quite fancy no but uh i'll take a truck so you
take a truck well they may be lucky they may be actually receiving a million dollars it's thought
that the shop will receive a million dollar reward for selling that lucky ticket well that's all from
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The UN's World Food Programme says food aid and water are running out during an Israeli siege. Israel says its blockage of Gaza will not end until Israeli hostages are released.