Global News Podcast: Ukrainians close to a Russian front line are told to leave immediately
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I'm Andrew Peach and at 13 hours GMT on Thursday the 10th of August, these are our main stories.
Ukraine has told vulnerable people in an area close to Russian front lines to leave immediately
because of an increase in Russian attacks. The leaders of the coup in Niger are announcing
new government as West African countries consider military intervention and an Ecuadorian presidential
candidate is assassinated just two weeks before the polls open. Also in this podcast, I understand
that they won't put him away for life. It's hard for me. Why people in Russia say they're
living in fear as former Wagner troops return home. The Ukrainian authorities have issued a
mandatory evacuation order around the city of Kupyansk and surrounding areas in the Harkiv region
due to what they say is intense Russian shelling. Earlier, a Russian Defense Ministry spokesman
Igor Konoshenkov claimed successes in the region. In the Kupyansk region, assault troops have made
advances along the front line during offensive operations. During the day, counterattacks by
the armed forces of Ukraine were successfully repelled in the Lugansk People's Republic and in
the Harkiv region. Ukraine's military said the situation around Kupyansk was difficult but under
control. Kupyansk was one of several cities and towns in Ukraine recaptured last September.
In recent weeks, Russia has been trying to take the cities and towns again. Our correspondent
Hugo Boshage is just back from Ukraine and tell me more. It's interesting because over the last
few weeks and months we've been talking about the counteroffensive in the east of the country,
in Donetsk, also in the Zaporizhia region of Ukraine, but this is happening in the northeast
of the country, so perhaps far away from those areas where the Ukrainians are trying to make
some gains. This is happening in the Harkiv region and the Ukrainians are saying that this is now
the main direction of the Russian offensive, so they're trying to make some gains there
in the Kupyansk region of Ukraine. Now we're having this announcement of a mandatory evacuation
in 37 settlements in this part of the country. What we're seeing is that we've seen reports
in recent days suggesting the fighting has intensified in this area and I think today
the message from the local authorities making this announcement said that Russia has been
shelling this area for almost every day and they're trying to advance in this direction and I think
what is interesting is that the Deputy Defense Minister in Ukraine earlier this week said that
Russian forces had formed a large group that is now attempting to break through Ukrainian
defences in that part of the country and people talking about tens of thousands of Russian forces
now in that part of the country. Something we're going to hear more about I suspect. Also Ukraine's
navy wants a humanitarian corridor to get its ships out of ports where they've been
trapped for a long time now back into the Black Sea. How will that work? That's a very good question.
So the announcement was made today by the Ukrainian authorities that this humanitarian
corridor is going to be created to let dozens of ships that are now trapped in Ukrainian ports
to sail into the Black Sea. Obviously this is perhaps the way that the Ukrainians have come
up with to let these ships sail into the Black Sea after the collapse of the grain deal. So
we don't know how this is going to work. We haven't had any kind of reaction from Moscow.
Obviously Russia has been saying that any ship could be considered
a military target in that part of the world. What the Ukrainians are saying is that they're
going to put cameras on the ships to show that this is a humanitarian mission with no military
purpose but we don't know how this is going to work. Hugo Beshaga who's just back from Ukraine.
Two weeks after the coup that toppled Niger's President Mohamed Bazoum, the regional grouping
of West African countries, ECOWAS hasn't yet said how it intends to resolve the crisis.
Today ECOWAS leaders are meeting in Nigeria's capital Abuja to talk about whether to seek a
diplomatic solution or take military action. There's also been concern expressed by the US,
France and the UN Secretary-General about the health of the former president who's being held
by the coup leaders. Africa editor Andrew Harding told me more about the divide within ECOWAS.
Sierra Leone, Guinea-Bissau, Burundi, Senegal, key players in an organization, a grouping that had
at some stage been able to intervene militarily in a number of countries but these days it's a
lot more complicated and it's I think far from clear whether their initial threats to use military
force in Niger to restore democracy can be followed through. It couldn't happen without Nigeria's
endorsement and right now Nigeria has problems of its own, priorities of its own and there is
a sense I think a growing sense that people in Nigeria and in other countries want to give
negotiations, diplomacy and economic sanctions a bit more of a chance to work to see if they can
cut some sort of deal with the coup leaders in Niger to edge them towards some sort of promise
of a transition. Certainly no sign thus far two weeks into this coup that the military are going to
stand down. They've even announced a new cabinet today. That's right very much forging ahead if
you like and clearly the timing meant to send that message to these regional leaders meeting across
the border. They've also perhaps been turning up the screws by continuing to keep the president,
you mentioned President Bazoum who's in essentially being held hostage at his presidential compound
in Niyame in Niger's capital and growing reports of concern from the Americans and others about
the conditions in which the president and his family are being kept and concerns too about
the possibility at least in the future at some point that Russia might try to exploit this
period of instability by sending in Wagner mercenaries as they've done with some
success in neighbouring Mali and elsewhere. Our Africa editor Andrew Harding. The Ecuadorian
president Guillermo Lasso has said the country's presidential election will go ahead as planned
this month after a candidate was shot dead at an event in the capital Quito. Fernando Villavisencio
was killed in a burst of gunfire as he was getting into his car. A state of emergency is now in force.
Mr Villavisencio's friend Dr Carlos Figueroa described how he found out about the death.
I was assisting two patients that arrived injured. I thought Fernando made it out,
but when I went to the clinic to help injured patients I entered the emergency room and I saw
Fernando was dead. He didn't have vital signs. Our Latin America editor is Vanessa Bushluter.
Carlos from whom we've just been hearing there described the scene of the murder. He and Fernando
Villavisencio left a campaign event at 6.20 in the afternoon in the capital Quito. This campaign
event in the centre of Quito in the financial district held at a building that had been a school
previously, had run very well. He'd shaken hands with voters and 30 seconds after he left the
building there was a hail of bullets. Fernando Villavisencio received three bullets to the
head and died and nine people were also injured in this horrific attack.
Are we any idea who might be behind this? Yes, a gang calling themselves Los Lobos,
the wolves, has claimed responsibility for this killing. They released a video in which
they wave around their rifles and threaten other politicians. This is a surprising development
because I think most people in Ecuador and including myself had thought that a different
gang called Los Choneros was behind this killing because Los Choneros had threatened Fernando
Villavisencio just last week. They had threatened his life and Fernando Villavisencio had been giving
a security detail but that security detail was not able to save his life when he was attacked
last night. And in terms of the state of emergency what does that mean for the conduct of the election
that obviously is ongoing? There were some voices in Ecuador which questioned whether the election
maybe should be put on hold or delayed but it is going ahead and many are actually quoting Fernando
Villavisencio himself who said just weeks ago when a different politician, a local mayor,
was killed he said that people should not be cowed, that democracy should continue so I think
in his honor the elections will go ahead and of course it is an important exercise in democracy
to hold this presidential election. Our Latin America editor Vanessa Bushluta. In Hawaii the
number of deaths resulting from wildfires on Maui Island has risen to 36. The worst affected area
is the popular resort city of Lahaina which has been almost totally burnt to the ground.
Mason Javi who suffered burns fleeing the fire in Lahaina said the situation there was devastating.
I'm resident of Lahaina for about 18 years and we just have the worst disaster I've ever seen.
All of Lahaina is burnt to crisp and it's like an apocalypse. Over 2000 people have been displaced
to move to special shelters or hotels. Bob Fenton of the Federal Emergency Management Agency
urged people to be cautious. There's still fire going on, life's being saved so please follow your
local officials, listen to their message and make sure you're safe, make sure you have a plan,
make sure that if you have questions you're working with your local officials.
To find out more I spoke to CBS correspondent Jared Hill.
One of the things Andrew that we know here is that because of the conditions on the ground
it had been difficult for officials really to get through a significant portion of the island
of Maui to be able to tell exactly who was unaccounted for because they were sheltering
in a car or a hotel without access to a phone to tell people or if they had in fact died and
while we don't know the circumstances around any of these deaths at this point again it does appear
that as they're able to get more onto the island they're learning more about just the level of
destruction here. What do we know about what's happening in Hawaii now? It's nighttime on the
islands of course and the authorities continue to to do their work in the wake of what's happened.
Yeah so there are kind of two things that are happening here. One there are the efforts to
continue putting out these fires which had been raging really on that island for hours there. So
there's the fire suppression effort but then there is also this certain rescue mission that
is continuing to happen again trying to see where people might be and get folks to safety.
There's also an effort here to make sure that the people who have been able to evacuate the island
of Maui have somewhere to go. There are shelters that have been set up on some of the neighboring
islands. There are also efforts to get people on planes to be able to fly out so that they can
worry as little as possible about people that might be on the island and just try and
focus on getting the fire out and making sure that it's safe for anyone to return at a later date.
And the last thing we need is more communities affecting. What's the weather forecast in terms of
controlling the fire versus the possibility of more fires breaking out or spreading?
Right so the winds have died down significantly from the peak of this. Remember this is all
related largely to a hurricane. They didn't actually touch the island of Maui but the winds
helped to fuel some of these flames. Those winds have died down which have allowed for
the crews there to continue with their fire suppression getting helicopters in the air
to doubt some of these fires with water. That'll continue for as long as it takes.
CBS correspondent Jared Hill. The Wagner group of Russian mercenaries has now ended its deployment
in Ukraine and that means many of the fighters it recruited from prisons including murderers
are now free. But as Arseniy Sokolov reports not everyone is ready to welcome them.
A village hall in southern Russia. A young woman in a crazily potent pink and blue jumpsuit
with waist length brown hair is dancing with a group of excited children.
Organizing parties and games for young people is 19 year old Tatiana Mastico's first job and she
loves it. But hours after one event like this back in April Tatiana was murdered by a gang whose
alleged ringleader should have been safely behind bars serving time for another murder.
But he had been let out years early to fight in Ukraine let out and pardoned.
Thanks to this man Evgeny Prigoshin founder of the mercenary company Wagner
he taught prisons to recruit tens of thousands of convicted murderers rapists and robbers.
They were used to kill Ukrainians in the bloodiest battles of the war
and many of them lost their lives too but those who survived have now left Wagner
and are walking the streets of Russia again and in some cases already committing new crimes.
How could you raise your hand against a child someone who wasn't threatening you in any way
a child who had just started to leave for whom all doors were open.
That's Nadezhda Pleshkova the mother of the children's entertainer Tatiana Mastico. Tatiana's body
and that of her boss Kirill Chupko were found buried in Woodland in the Krasnodar region in
early May. Three suspects have been arrested in connection with the killing one of them
Demyanky Varkyan who denies any wrongdoing had already been serving an 18 year sentence for crimes
including murder but he was released after only six years to fight in Ukraine. Then like other
criminal recruits he was free to go home with a pardon. Let me draw your attention to the word
pardon that's not the same as amnesty. Olga Romanova is the founder of Russia Behind Bus
an organization campaigning for prison reform. A pardon is given to an individual
personally by the president himself and the law says it comes after reconciliation with a victim
and a good report from prison. None of this happens when Wagner criminals are pardoned
but even so they can restart their lives with a clean slate. Indeed they are officially regarded
as heroes at least 20 serious crimes by former Wagner convicts have been reported murders rapes
grievous bodily harm but the real number may be greater because it's now illegal in Russia to
discredit anyone involved in what's officially called the special military operation. That law
could in theory even be used against the police themselves.
Large numbers of mourners attended the funerals of the children's entertainers Kirill Chupko
and Tatyana Mastyko and since then tens of thousands of people in Krasnodar have signed a petition
to demand that the chief suspect Demyan Kivarkyan gets a life sentence if he is convicted of the
modus but Tatyana's mother Nadezhda doesn't think it will have much effect. Of course I understand
who was responsible for my daughter's death and I know he had a previous conviction. I'm not stupid
I understand that they want to put him away for life.
That's hard for me. Sorry. In today's Russia she thinks the victims of so-called heroes can't
expect real justice. Arseni Sokolov reporting. Still to come in this podcast an announcement
for Taylor Swift fans as the US states on her record-breaking tour come to an end.
In the US a man who made violent threats against President Biden has been shot dead by the FBI
in Utah. The shooting happened while agents were attempting to serve him with an arrest warrant
just hours before Mr Biden's planned visit to the state. Our correspondent in Washington is
Nomiya Iqbal. The suspect's name was Craig Robertson. We understand he was 75 years old
and there was a criminal complaint that had already been filed in the district court of Utah
regarding serious concerns about him so one of the charges that he was facing was threats against
President. I've got the criminal complaint in front of me but FBI agents conducted a surveillance of
his home back in March. They wanted to talk to him about his social media posts. He told them
according to the complaint to come back with an arrest warrant which they did. Now when you look at
the criminal complaint and the evidence that they had compiled against him included social media posts
that he'd put up and they're very dark messages. They show violence towards President Biden and
other notable Democrats also glorifying guns. One particular post which worried agents and
that there's been cited in the criminal complaint is when he posted I hear Biden is coming to Utah
cleaning the dust off the M24 sniper rifle welcome buffoon in chief. Now we haven't been given any
details on exactly what led to the shooting although our partner station CBS says law enforcement
sources told them that there was a gunfire of some sort and the FBI told the BBC in a statement
that they're following their policy which is to now refer the case to the agency for a review.
Noméé Apar in Washington. The World Bank has suspended new loans to Uganda in the wake of a
tough new law against same-sex relations. There's already been a negative reaction on the markets
with the Ugandan shilling weakening sharply after the announcement. My colleague Divina Gupta spoke
to Fabrice Odar an advisor with Open for Business a coalition of leading global companies dedicated
to LGBT inclusion formally of the World Bank. He explains how significant this decision is for
Uganda. The budget of the Ugandan government is very reliant on external aid and in fact
the budget of the government is about 13 or 14 billion dollars and you could say that one billion
dollars usually comes from the World Bank but there's another aspect to it which is that the
budget of the Ugandan government is also dependent on borrowing from various sources.
Is this sort of intervention by the World Bank enough for the government in Uganda to
reconsider their decision? On the side of the World Bank the objective is not so much for the
Ugandan government to reconsider the entire homosexuality act. It is to say well look it's
impossible for us to have effective development projects if you intentionally bar an entire
segment of your population from benefiting from development efforts. But in effect then a lot
of questions have been asked especially by listeners as well whether this sort of ends up
being counterproductive and hurting locals in Uganda. That's a very legitimate question right
which is ultimately the poorest in Uganda are the victims of the political manipulation of LGBTQ
plus people by President Musevini but ultimately the World Bank if it wants to respect its policies
cannot lend to Uganda if Uganda refused to acknowledge that there are LGBTQ plus people
that are deserving of development efforts in the country and you know one of the things that I said
today is that the World Bank would have done the same thing if we're talking about other
underrepresented minorities. Like if there was a similar piece of legislation on Dalit people in
India or Batua people in Congo or Roma people in Europe the World Bank would have been in the same
situation in having to say well look we cannot continue to have new lending activities until
you have solved this problem. Fabrice O'Daz. In other LGBT news today Iraqi authorities have
ordered media outlets when referring to the topic to refer to homosexual acts as sexual deviance
and to also avoid using the term gender in broadcasts or publications. A government spokesman
said the order still requires final approval and that a penalty for violating the rule hadn't yet
been set but could include a fine. Dylan Siowan is a journalist in Iraq. Well let's not forget that
this is only a resolution it's not necessarily a law therefore it cannot be like put into the law
imposed on these people however there are very dangerous implications of such resolutions
because the community is already suffering from a lot they are already been persecuted for being
who they are and this will in the long term may cause even more harmful implications because
this will cause what is already a culture a society that does not accept these people
will just cause them to antagonize against the community even more. It's not set yet how the
order is going to be carried out whether there will be I don't know people will be arrested or
they will be fined for this but even if there is a payment or a fine regarding the use of the word
homosexuality or even gender for that matter it's going to be very bad for journalists that are
covering such stories and covering the lives of the LGBT community. Dylan Siowan in Iraq.
Australia's National Science Agency and Boeing have announced plans to develop sustainable
domestic jet fuel. Aircraft will be powered by renewable sources and that could significantly
cut carbon emissions. From Sydney our correspondent Phil Mercer. Researchers say that Australia has
enough agricultural waste animal fats and vegetable oils to make almost five billion
litres of sustainable aviation fuel by 2025. A Boeing 747 Jumbo carries about 240,000 litres of
fuel by changing the molecular structure of waste products using a range of different pressures
and temperatures and sometimes adding hydrogen. Scientists believe they can create a fuel that's
almost identical to its traditional kerosene cousin. Max Temminghoff is from the CSIRO Australia's
National Science Agency. Sustainable aviation fuel or SAF for short is a safe replacement for
fossil-drive conventional jet fuel instead of being produced from crude oil it's generated from
non-fossil raw materials or feedstocks and the beauty of that is that it provides a net reduction
in CO2 emissions when compared to its fossil-derived crude oil. SAF costs up to two to four times as
much as conventional jet fuel. Apart from costs various other challenges must be overcome in
Australia. They include guaranteeing the supply of raw materials and conforming to international
regulations. The International Energy Agency has said that aviation accounts for about two percent
of global CO2 emissions but it's one of the most challenging sectors to decarbonise. The IEA has
also asserted that planned production of sustainable aviation fuels would satisfy just a small fraction
of demand by 2027. Qantas Australia's national carrier wants 10 percent of its fuel to come from
sustainable sources by the end of the decade. Phil Mercer in Sydney it was the final date of
Taylor Swift's record-breaking tour at the Sophie Stadium in Los Angeles fans had an idea something
special might happen some kind of announcement they were right a new album called 1989 Taylor's
Version is on the way in a couple of months in October Iona Hampson is here with more so just
explain to us what the Taylor's version of each album is. Yes a Taylor Swift has been on a personal
mission for the last couple of years to re-release her first six studio albums. The reason for this
is that in 2019 she came in a dispute with her former record label Big Machine Records the founder
and the new owner who wanted to sell all of her six albums that they owned their masters of to a
private equity company it's estimated this was sold for about 300 million dollars Taylor Swift was
not happy about this because they were the masters they could control things like the licensing of
the song so whether it's used in an advert or a film for instance so what she's been doing is
re-releasing these songs which are almost covers of her songs in that sort of technical way they're
stripped back a bit absolutely more acoustic for sure so what what sort of the differences are of
course her sound is a bit more mature her voice is mature but there are like differences in the
production some of the lyrics so there are differences and you find that with Taylor Swift fans
they'd much rather listen to the Taylor Swift versions the Taylor versions of it rather than
the originals. Okay now the announcement on the 9th of August had been expected because
she dropped hints they're all to do with numbers I think the hints aren't they about what date
something's going to happen that kind of thing. Taylor Swift loves to give clues to her fans and
her fans love to try and understand them whether they're in her music videos or on social media
with this social media post that she released today she was talking about how 1989 is one of her
favorite re-records there'll be five new unreleased tracks which she says are some of the best that
she can't even believe they were ever left behind so this will be really exciting for Taylor Swift fans.
And this comes at the end of the the North America section of her eras tour she's broken all kinds
of records and even caused earth tremors in Canada a few days ago. That's correct this is a huge
tour 44 songs that are divided into 10 acts three hours long so it is a marathon to get through
and what's amazing about this is that the eras tour is expected to be the highest grossing tour
of all time which is expected to have one billion dollars in sales this even surpasses Elton John's
record his farewell yellow brick road tour so this just shows how big this achievement is.
Lots of talk about Taylor Swift online today thanks Iona.
And that's all from us for now before we go though clarification of an item we carried
in the last edition of the global news podcast about the death the musician sister Rodriguez
we inadvertently suggested that he was popular in South Africa among young black people
protesting against apartheid however a number of listeners have been in touch to say his
popularity was predominantly among white South Africans and we say thank you to those of you
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There's been an increase in Russian attacks in the Kharkiv region. Also: West African leaders say dialogue with the leaders of the coup in Niger will be the 'bedrock' of their approach to the crisis, and there’s a state of emergency in Ecuador as a presidential candidate is assassinated weeks before polls open.