Global News Podcast: Trump indicted by Georgia grand jury
BBC 8/15/23 - Episode Page - 30m - PDF Transcript
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I'm Valerie Sanderson and at 14 hours GMT on Tuesday the 15th of August these are our main
stories. We're in Washington for reaction after prosecutors in the US state of Georgia
charged 19 people including former president Donald Trump in connection with the 2020 election.
British police have arrested and charged three Bulgarian nationals suspected of spying for
Russia. Spain are through to the final of the Women's World Cup after beating Sweden 2-1.
Also in this podcast two years on from the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan women in the
country tell us about their lives. Right in front of this restaurant there's a building.
It used to be the Ministry of Women's Affairs but guess what the Taliban government has turned it
into the Ministry of Vice and Virtue now. And while the true story that inspired the
Oscar-winning film The Blind Side has taken a much darker turn.
We begin with Donald Trump. He's already the first former US president to face criminal
charges and now he's facing a further tranche of allegations. Donald Trump and 18 of his
closest allies have been indicted on state racketeering and conspiracy charges in the
state of Georgia over alleged efforts to overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election.
The Fulton County District Attorney is Fannie Willis. A Fulton County grand jury
returned a true bill of indictment charging 19 individuals with violations of Georgia law
arising from a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election
in this state. The Democratic Congressman Adam Smith one of Mr Trump's political opponents
gave the BBC his reaction to the indictment. By all accounts former President Trump is
probably going to get the nomination and the degree to which his you know criminal behavior
becomes more and more exposed only seems to fire up the Republican Party to support him more which
is deeply troubling. The Republican Party is not in a good place in our country that's a real problem
and I hope they figure it out and I hope they get past the cult of Donald Trump and get back to
being a reasonable conservative party but right now they are not that. Jennifer Kearns a former
Republican strategist expressed her concern for the Republican Party. They don't understand the
impact this is going to have on swing voters and on female suburban voters. They don't like all of
these indictments stacking up. They kind of shy away from this sort of drama right in the public
square and I just don't think that the Republican side really understands the impact that this is
going to have negatively. I got more details from where Davis in Washington. Donald Trump himself
called it a politically motivated witch hunt to stop him being elected again next year. His view
at least publicly is the the more of these cases these charges that are laid against him the further
he rises in the opinion polls. I think obviously his base will always support him but these are
very very serious charges. Trump and his co-defendants will have to present themselves before next
Friday in Georgia to be formally charged with these latest charges. The prosecutor has made it
clear that she would like to see a trial within six months and of course the significance of that
is that that's right in the middle of next year's election campaign when Donald Trump wants to be
elected again as president. I think it'll be very difficult for Mr. Trump to bat this one off as
easily as he's been able to do with some of the other charges because these are significantly
not federal charges. These are allegations of crimes committed in the state of Georgia
and if you were to be convicted it would be much more difficult for Donald Trump even if you were
to be re-elected elected again as president to pardon himself of these charges so they are very
significant charges indeed. Do you have any idea what his defense is likely to be? Well it depends
which of the counts you're talking about. One of the most egregious bits of evidence is a phone
call that Donald Trump made to an election official in Georgia asking for just over a
thousand votes to be found. Now that may be argued by the prosecution as evidence that he was looking
to either find votes to tamper with votes or Mr. Trump himself has said no it was a perfectly
innocent phone call stating how many votes he was behind in the polls as the votes were being counted.
There are other charges as well in which allies of Trump or former allies of Trump have we know
have given evidence to the grand jury about things like trying to tamper with the electoral system
in the United States. There's allegations that he and some of his co-defendants including his senior
lawyer Rudy Giuliani were also involved in trying to overturn the election in the state of Georgia.
So some of these charges are going to be very difficult for Donald Trump to to defend himself
against although he has said again that this is a politically motivated exercise and he expects
to come out on top. We're at Davis in Washington. Two years ago today the Taliban seized power in
Afghanistan and went on to impose extensive restrictions on women and girls. Teenagers and
young women were banned from attending schools and universities and recently hair and beauty
salons were shut. The BBC has heard from Afghan women about their daily experiences since the
Taliban took control. We have come to a restaurant but they say that they don't allow women inside
anymore. It's frustrating. I'm in a taxi right now. I'm heading to a nearby market in Kabul
but there are many places where a lot of restrictions still exist for women.
If a female walks without a male guardian, they can face problems.
So we've finally made it to a restaurant. Right in front of this restaurant there's a building.
It used to be the ministry of women's affairs but guess what? The Taliban government has turned
it into the ministry of vice and virtue now. This vice and virtue ministry is all about
morality and how people, especially women, look on the outside.
I studied a book about the war between Germany and Russia at the time of Nazis.
The book says how much war has destroyed the morale and mind of people.
When I read it, I cried. The women who are hearing my voice right now, be strong and hope for a
bright future. The Taliban's return has also brought economic and humanitarian crises partly
due to countries in aid agencies withdrawing support because of the treatment of women.
Now the new United Nations humanitarian coordinator for Afghanistan has warned that a huge shortfall
in funding could lead to the collapse of the country's health system and to widespread hunger.
Our Chief International Correspondent, at least to set, has covered Afghanistan for many years
and she was in the country when the Taliban regained power in 2021.
Of all the issues that symbolize the Taliban's authoritarian rule and the broken promises,
it is these tightening restrictions on the lives of girls and women. It is a conservative country
but what we've seen over the past two years is almost with every month an erasing of women and
girls from public life, everywhere from girls' education, even women banned from public parts
and beauty parlours. The Taliban keeps saying this is not going to be forever. We're just trying to
implement it in a way that respects Sharia law but that's what they said the first time around.
So when I spoke to Taliban spokesman Zabila Mojahed, I said most people believe your restrictive edicts
are here to stay. Women are working in some places now, for example in health, education, police,
passports, national ID departments, airports. In these places women have been working
and for the rest as well as long as Sharia allows it and there is a need. The same goes for girls'
education. We have never said that these restrictions are going to be forever.
How long will it take? One year? Five years?
We are hoping it will be solved very soon.
Solved very soon while this impasse is devastating for Afghans, devastating economic crisis
but also donors are turning away. Now the United Nations appeal for Afghanistan which used to be
overfunded when the international community was there is now only a quarter funded and this has
had a huge impact. Only a third of the Afghans who desperately need food aid are now getting them
up. The UN saying that funding is going to run out for major hospitals. So when I spoke to Daniel
Andres who's the new UN humanitarian coordinator, I said is the world forgetting Afghanistan?
Yeah, to some extent we have to say that Afghanistan has no longer the primary attention
and also one message that Afghan people really give us so forcefully and strongly is please
don't abandon us. The economic collapse or the economic reduction that happened
when the Taliban took over is severe. Many people lost their jobs, many people became in need of
humanitarian support and especially women and girls say we are already in a very difficult
situation. If you take away our jobs and if you take away even the basic needs that we have,
where should we end up? Daniel Andres, UN humanitarian coordinator for Afghanistan,
talking there to our chief international correspondent, least to set.
Police in Britain have arrested in charge three Bulgarian national suspected of spying for Russia
in what's been described as a major national security operation. They're due to be tried
in January. Daniel DeSimone reports. The three Bulgarian defendants, two men and a woman are
charged with possessing fake identity documents with improper intention. They include passports
and identity cards for the UK, Bulgaria, France, Italy, Spain, Croatia, Slovenia, Greece and the
Czech Republic. All in Rousseau, Biza Dijambazov and Katrin Ivanova were arrested under the
Official Secrets Act in February. It is alleged they were working as intelligence
operatives for the Russian state. Daniel DeSimone. The problems facing China's
young people in their search for work are well documented. Now the authorities have stopped
publishing the unemployment figures for 16 to 24 year olds. After the jobless rate for that demographic
hit a record high of more than 20% in June. I asked Kerry Allen, our China media analyst,
if the authorities have said why they haven't published the figures.
So China's National Bureau of Statistics has said today that it's no longer going to be releasing
information on this demographic and it's not set a timeline. It said that there's a need for further
improvement and optimising labour force survey statistics and what they've specifically focused
on. So Fu Linghui, who's the spokesperson for the NBS, has said that society has different views
on whether students looking for jobs before graduation should be included in labour force
surveys. And it's very much said that in recent years the number of university students has
continued to expand. So it's factoring in students who are studying and might be working at the same
time. That seems to be the main reason for this. But obviously with the statistics for unemployment
being so high, there are questions about whether they're not publishing this because
it's a very difficult thing to process. That one in five young people between the ages of 16
and 24 are unemployed. And what has been the reaction on social media? Well factoring in the
social media is used by a lot of young people. I've seen tens of thousands of social media
comments today on the platform Weibo, which is like Facebook. And lots of young people
basically saying, are the authorities scared? Is unemployment scary high? Are they spooked by
unemployment data? And one social media comment I've seen with hundreds of likes has been,
if you delete this question over unemployment, then the problem will be solved. The idea that
if you close your eyes on this, you're not going to be able to see the results of this and just how
bad the problem is. Do these just refer, though, to cities, not to rural areas?
They do, yes. So that's another reason why this methodology might be being changed.
And one thing we have to factor in is that these figures have only really been processed since 2018.
And in recent years, we've seen the COVID-19 virus and China had a strict zero COVID policy,
meaning that a lot of young people were at home. They were in their hometowns. And obviously,
over the last few years, employment trends have been changing. You've got a lot of people doing
flexible work, a lot of people working from home. So this might be another reason why this data is
being changed. For now, it's being suspended. And the government are thinking more about how
they might process this data. Kerry Allen, our China media analyst. Spain are through to the
final of the Women's World Cup after their 2-1 win over Sweden in a semi-final in Auckland,
New Zealand. Our sports reporter Katie Smith followed the match from a fan zone in Sydney.
It means that Spain are into the final for the very first time. And once again, Sweden fall
at this hurdle. The perennial bridesmaids never the brides. They talked about this
previous history of making the semis never the final. And it has happened once again.
It's a hard old game, isn't it? Sport. So Spain will play the winners of tomorrow's game, of
course, between England and the co-host Australia. That's pretty exciting for the host country,
isn't it? Yeah, this is the big one. The Matildas who are now stopping the nation,
breaking records, TV viewing figures left, right and centre. They stopped the six o'clock news on
Saturday. It was pushed back. That never happens on Channel 7. Stadiums have been open just to
watch this match. And now they are playing arch, historic sporting rivals, England. And just to
add to the drama, Australia are the only team under Serena Wiegman's tenure as the England
boss for the European champions. Australia, the only team who have ever beaten them. This is
massive. The Matildas have never been in the semi-finals before. They've never been to the
final. And England are coming in with that mantle of the European champions. They should be just
slight favourites, although they're missing some key players, including Lauren James, who's still
serving a red card ban. It's going to be so massive. And the crowd, the excitement here in the country
is just huge. What are people saying to you? As you said, you're in a fan zone with Matilda fans.
What are they saying? Well, a lot of them were watching the match tonight saying the tension
of this was already, I suppose, stressing them out because they know it's to come tomorrow.
They already had to live through that nail-biting penalty shootout against France to reach the
semi-final. That almost felt like a hurdle moment for them. I think they're slightly hoping that
they won't have to succumb to that over England. Katie Smith in Australia. Coming up in this podcast,
they look pretty much like they can't be steady on their feet. Their lower lips start to droop,
and they are slow. The drunken monkey experiment that could help provide a cure for alcohol addiction.
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Welcome back. Next to Ecuador, where another politician has been assassinated in the run-up to
a presidential election due to be held next week. Pedro Briones was an organizer for the
left-wing Citizens' Revolution party. The killing comes soon after a presidential candidate was
killed in the capital Quito. Phoebe Hobson told us more about the situation there.
Ecuador is going to vote in presidential elections on Sunday, and this assassination of Pedro
Briones, who was a senior left-wing politician in the northern state of Esmeraldas. He was believed
to have been shot on Monday evening, the details of which are still a little bit unclear, but it's
believed he was shot in a park in the Paristán de San Mateo. His death was announced by the
current presidential frontrunner, Luisa González, who said that Ecuador is experiencing its most
bloody period. This is because his death comes less than a week after a presidential candidate,
Fernando Villavicencio, was assassinated after a political rally in Quito. It makes a total of
three politicians to have been assassinated in the run-up to the elections. A local mayor was also
assassinated, and these deaths are believed to be linked to very powerful organized crime groups
that operate in the country. Just some context for people who might not know. Ecuador is a country
of 18 million people. It sits on the west coast of South America, and it gets its name from the
equator, which is its location. Until the last few years, it was very considered a reasonably
peaceful country in comparison to its neighbor, Colombia. Many people might visit it for the
Galapagos Islands. Now, the more powerful drug cartels are taking control of the country, and
the President Guillermo Lasso has said the elections will go forward on Sunday, but there is a two-month
state of emergency and increased security around polling stations. Phoebe Hobson. A powerful,
slow-moving storm is battering central Japan with torrential rainfall and high winds.
As we record this podcast, Japan is urging people to stay vigilant, as landslide and flood
warnings are in place. Several people have been injured, as Laura Bicker reports.
Typhoon land made landfall around 400km southwest of Tokyo, lashing much of central and western
Japan with heavy rain and powerful winds. Authorities have issued several flood and landslide
warnings, and forecasters predict that the central Tokai region will be hit by three times the
average rainfall for the whole of August in just 24 hours. Hundreds of people were stranded in
Kansai Airport overnight after road and rail routes were cut off. Laura Bicker. Now, what was the
last content you accessed on a digital platform? You could have been playing a song, watching a film,
or looking at videos. All of these things are algorithms, computer systems that follow a set
of instructions to solve a problem that give us recommendations on what we might want to watch,
read or listen to next. But how much do these algorithms actually know about us? Could streaming
services, for example, know your sexuality without being told? Well, BBC journalist Ellie House has
been finding out in an edition of The Documentary, Did Big Tech Know I Was Gay Before I Did.
Ellie told us this all started from her own personal experience.
So, I'm bisexual, but I didn't always know that. It wasn't until my second year of university that
I worked it out. And I remember at the time that I was getting lots of recommendations for new series
with lesbian storylines or bisexual characters. These were pretty good TV series or movies,
and I just assumed that everyone my age was seeing them. You know, why would I be different?
But when I mentioned it to friends, people who are just like me, nobody knew what I was talking
about. And then six months later, I realized that I was bi, and it really felt like Netflix had worked
it out before me. After that, I noticed the same thing happening across my social media and streaming
platforms. So Spotify pushed me a playlist it described as sapphic, which means women who love
women. And after a couple of months of scrolling on TikTok, I was getting really specific videos
on my For You page, which is basically a feed of recommended content, about being a bi woman
in a relationship with a man, which I was at the time. When all of this happened, I decided to go
on a quest to find out a bit more about the technology that's working behind the scenes
to make these suggestions. Now, it's important to say that none of these companies collect personal
information like this, and they say that they don't infer it either. But what they do do is
try and work out what sort of things we'd be interested in seeing, which might be LGBT content.
And it all starts with basic recommender systems, which in its simplest form is you've watched an
action film, so you'll get recommended more action films, maybe less romantic comedies.
And for most of these big platforms, the technology is far, far, far more advanced than that.
They use what's called collaborative filtering. And this is where it gets interesting.
So this is Marcel Korowski. He's a data scientist working in recommender systems.
It exploits patterns of user behavior. How have users, so watchers or listeners or readers,
interacted with items, so songs, playlists, articles, movies, for example.
But it goes even beyond this. So often the information that is more or just as useful
for one of these recommender systems to work out what we might be interested in seeing
is not what we've been streaming, it's how we stream. So things that to us might seem meaningless,
like what device we're using, whether we let something autoplay or whether we click on it
ourselves, what time of day we tend to watch or listen. This information can actually say
quite a lot. And I asked Greg Serapio Garcia, who is a PhD student at the University of Cambridge,
specializing in computational social psychology, what sort of signals I might have been giving
that might have indicated my sexuality, even when I didn't realize?
Maybe it's literally the percentage of time you've stayed continuously watching,
whether or not you go through the credits, whether or not you skip around, like within
these episodes. All of these are really tiny, very specific features that on their own don't
really mean anything. But if you take them as part of this larger constellation of data,
yeah, you can make really specific predictions.
So when I was researching for this documentary, I saw so many articles from various different
countries across the last five, maybe even 10 years of people saying Facebook seems to know I'm
gay, Google seems to know I'm gay, my adverts had personalized, my recommendations are personalized,
everyone seems to know that I'm about my sexuality. That's really interesting. So it's
definitely not just me, it's kind of seems to be a common experience.
Ellie House, and you can listen to that edition of the documentary wherever you get your podcasts.
Now to a potentially exciting gene therapy study that could ultimately offer hope
for chronic alcohol addiction. The study involves macaque monkeys and use gene therapy to influence
an area of the brain that controls addiction and reward. Kathy Grant, professor of neuroscience
at the University of Oregon in the United States, was one of the lead researchers and she told us more.
We've been studying animals drinking alcohol for some time. And in particular, my lab's been
studying monkeys and how we introduce them to alcohol and then a proportion of them will become
heavy drinkers, chronically heavy drinkers. That means they'll drink eight to 10 drinks a day,
every day. And it models well the very heavy drinking in people. And one of the things we find
with this very heavy drinking is in the brain, in an area that helps with motivation, it's primarily
important that a neurotransmitter named dopamine. This is a drug your brain releases that makes
you feel good, isn't it? Yes. And it becomes very, very low in heavy drinkers. And you've managed to
artificially create dopamine release in the brains of these monkeys that were heavy drinkers,
and that seems to cure them of their drinking. Yes. So would this work on humans?
We don't know that yet. But it was a proof of principle study and it's very encouraging. And
it certainly suggests that this could be a treatment for individuals where all of our other
treatment approaches are just not working for some chronic heavy drinkers. Because it is brain
surgery and that is a fairly major intervention, isn't it? Exactly. It's invasive and it's irreversible.
What do drunken monkeys look like? They look pretty much like they can't be steady on their feet.
Their lower lips start to droop a little bit and they are slow in their actions.
Are there ethical concerns doing this? Of course. The research is highly regulated. We would only
do this research because the information we're getting from the monkeys is something we cannot get
ethically from humans. But the potential for this, if it were to work in humans, is enormous,
isn't it? Yes. There is about 2.4 million people worldwide that died from chronic alcohol use.
Each year? Each year. And this holds out hope for them? Yes, we hope so. These individuals that
just cannot stop drinking will end up killing themselves with the alcohol if there isn't an
intervention. Professor Kathy Grant from the University of Oregon speaking there to Alex Ritzen.
The Oscar-winning film The Blind Side was billed as an inspirational true story,
but the man whose life it was based on now says he was exploited by the family who he believed
wrongly had adopted him. This report from Charlotte Gallagher.
Big Mike. Hey, my name's Leigh-Anne Tooe. My kids go to Wingate. You said you were going to the gym.
Do you have any place to stay tonight? Don't you dare lie to me. The Blind Side tells the
rags to riches story of Michael Owen, a black foster child who's adopted by a wealthy white
family and becomes an American football star. It was a huge success and Sandra Bullock won an Oscar
for her portrayal of Leigh-Anne Tooe, Michael's adoptive mother. But Michael is now alleging he
was never adopted by the Tooe family, but tricked into a conservatorship. He says Leigh-Anne Tooe
and her husband, Sean, made millions of dollars from his name. Conservatorships are court orders
that appoint a parent or legal guardian to oversee the personal or financial affairs
of someone incapable of fully managing them because of their age or disability.
They've been in the news a lot because Britney Spears had one until 2021 and was incredibly
unhappy about it. Court documents filed in the US state of Tennessee, alleged that where other
parents of Michael's classmates saw Michael simply as a nice kid in need, the Tooe saw something else,
a gullible young man whose athletic talent could be exploited for their own benefit.
Michael Owen is asking the court to terminate the conservatorship,
bar the Tooe's from continuing to profit from his name and likeness,
and establish how much money he says he's owed. He says that while the Tooe's made millions from
the blind side, he received nothing. The Tooe family haven't responded to the BBC, but told a
local newspaper they hadn't made any money from the film, only a share of proceeds from a book
the movie was based on. They said they were devastated, adding it's upsetting to think we
would make money off any of our children. And that's it from us for now, but there'll be a new
edition of the Global News podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics
covered in it, send us an email. The address is GlobalPodcast at BBC.co.uk. You can also find us
on Twitter at Global NewsPod. This edition was mixed by Chesney Fox Porter, the producer was
Tracy Gordon. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Valerie Anderson, and until next time, bye-bye.
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The former US president describes the charges as a 'witch hunt'. The indictment lists 13 counts against Mr Trump, who's accused of trying to overturn the last presidential election result. Also: Two years on from the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan, women in the country tell us about their lives, and why the true story that inspired the Oscar-winning film, The Blind Side, has taken a much darker turn.