The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett: Sadhguru (World’s No.1 Guru) PREDICTS: "There Is A Mental Health Pandemic Coming! & We Are On The Brink Of Extinction!"

The World Health Organization made a prediction – there will be a mental health pandemic.

But this is not something that has to happen.

If you want to fix this, you need to sa-gourou one of the most viewed gurus in the world.

His mission is to raise every human being to the peak of their potential, who has built

one of the largest non-profit organizations in the world.

We have more than any other generation ever had.

In terms of comforts and technologies, yet we are miserable people.

You want to be something more all the time, that's why you suffer.

Just tell me, is there one thing that human beings are not suffering?

Somebody's poor, they suffer their poverty.

Somebody becomes rich, they suffer the taxes.

If they're not married, they suffer, get married, I don't have to say anything.

You're making up a purpose to bring some meaning to your life.

But if you try to enhance your activity without enhancing yourself, you'll only die of stress.

What about trauma?

You're finding an excuse for the way you are, which you yourself don't like.

If something unpleasant happened to you, you have two choices.

Either you can become wise, or you can become wounded.

Your experience of life is determined by you.

If your happiness depends on what happens on the outside, you being happy is a remote possibility.

I want to be happy.

What's step one?

There is a simple practice which will only take 21 minutes, and this is when human beings

can do something absolutely fantastic.

First thing is...

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What is the mission that you're on?

Well, today, you know, a few months ago, the WHO or the World Health Organization made

a prediction that there is going to be a mental health pandemic.

At least five years ago, none of us knew what is a pandemic.

Today we all know what is a pandemic and they've gone further and they said the next stage

is there will be a suicide pandemic, just to put it in perspective.

In 2020, when the pandemic was in full swing all over the world, in Japan more people died

of suicide than of the pandemic, so we don't really need the virus, that's all I'm saying.

Because the virus has gotten into our head, because once survival is taken care of, if

you do not become conscious, the way you sit, stand, breathe, think, emote and function

within yourself, if it does not become conscious, you will naturally head downhill.

This is just September 23rd, I completed forty years of this work.

So forty years ago, I was a young man, one afternoon when I had nothing much to do, somehow

an hour and a half gap was there for me.

In the work, I was working like morning, 5.30 in the morning to 11 in the night, building

various kinds of businesses around me.

So when I got a break, this is a small hill, this hill is a place where we go and for the

youth.

When I was a kid, I cycled up this hill, we camped on this hill, we partied on this hill.

If we want to test our motorcycles, we went up the hill.

It's about anything you want to do, the youth, go to Chamundi Hill, this is the thing.

I just walked up and sat on a rock, my eyes were still open.

I thought it's just ten, fifteen or twenty minutes.

Suddenly I started feeling every cell in my body literally dripping ecstasy.

I thought this lasted fifteen, twenty minutes, but when I came back to my normal senses,

four and a half hours had passed for the first time in my adult life, tears.

Me and tears were simply impossible.

Tears to a point, my shirt is all wet.

Then I shake my skeptical mind and ask what the hell is happening to me.

All I knew was I had hit a gold mine and there was no context.

Nobody around me could tell me what was happening with me.

Nor did I know what was happening with me.

This is something that most people will experience in their lives on a certain day when they're

very happy, twenty-four hours feels like ten minutes.

Another day when you're depressed, ten minutes will feel like twenty-four hours.

Time is a very relative experience.

When you're so blissed out, what is two minutes, it's eight hours, ten hours, just gone like

that.

Within about six to eight weeks, I came to some kind of stabilization within myself and

started experimenting as to what is happening to me.

Then I realized, if I keep a little distance from my physiological and psychological activity

that's going on, if I just remove myself little bit, then within… within a few seconds

or within a couple of minutes, every cell in my body is bursting with ecstasy.

Now this is not just my experience, today we have it measured out in Howard Medical

School how there is endocannabinoids are bursting out in people simply because they do a simple

practice.

So I made a plan in two-and-a-half years' time, I will make the whole world blissed out.

I knew the methodology, if you just keep a distance, it'll happen.

Forty years now.

Today people are saying we are touching over two billion people, last year our video views

have been 3.51 billion.

So people think that's great, but no, that is less than half the population as far as

I'm concerned because I started thinking I'll make the whole world blissed out.

But people are committed to their miseries, either because of their beliefs or their ideologies

or their compulsive behavior within themselves, so it needs to happen to the whole world.

This is… I don't see this as a mission, I just see this as an expression of my humanity.

Suppose you hear a good joke, will you tell somebody who's dear to you or will you cover

yourself with a blanket and tell yourself?

Of course I'd tell everybody, pretend it was mine.

That's all I'm trying to do, no mission.

My experience, I'm trying to just rub it off on people.

Some stats for you that support what you said earlier.

Someone dies by suicide in the UK every 90 minutes, 76% of them are male, the single

biggest cause of death for men under the age of 45 here in the UK is by suicide.

You said you spent a lot of time around business people and they appear to be the most unhappy

and least blissful people.

No, I wouldn't say unhappy, stressed out.

Stressed out.

What is it that we're doing to them?

Because I see myself, I must be in that category to some regard because I've focused most

of my time on building businesses and I guess to some extent material things and success,

so I must be part of that.

That is a diversionary tactic in the sense, see you can think that survival means two

meals a day or you can think survival means Bentley, so it'll keep you busy a little longer.

Still survival process, as long as the survival, there's an instinct of survival and there

is a longing to expand within the human being.

So for most human beings, these two things are mixed up.

It is their instinct of survival which is finding expression as their longing to expand.

It doesn't matter who you are, where you are, anybody, you want to be something more.

If that something more happens, you want to be something more.

You can go on like this, how much more, whatever you want, if I make it true for you right

now.

Next moment you'll be thinking what more?

Suppose I make you the king of not England, the planet, don't look at me hopefully.

I will not come in such a blunder.

Suppose we make you the king of this planet, will you be fulfilled?

No, you will look at the moon, you look at other planets, you look at the other galaxies.

If I give you one galaxy, you'll say, what about the other galaxy?

Suppose there is something within a human being which wants to expand limitlessly.

Is that not a good thing?

Is that not the reason why?

I didn't say it's not good.

I'm just saying you have constipated that longing to expand, that's why you suffer.

When I say constipated, right now you want to expand limitlessly.

Can you expand this body limitlessly?

No.

Please don't.

Don't try.

In the gym I've tried.

So physical expansion is a limited expansion and your longing is to expand limitlessly

because there is something within you which doesn't like boundaries.

The moment see if I imprison you in a five by five cubico, you will feel terribly imprisoned.

Then tomorrow I will announce your liberation and release you into a ten by ten cubico.

You will feel wonderful for two days.

Then you will feel horribly imprisoned.

Then we will release you into a hundred by hundred cubico.

You will be fine for a week after that you will feel miserable.

Doesn't matter where I set the boundary.

Once you feel the boundary, you want to break it.

So there is something intrinsic within you which doesn't like boundaries.

This is a consequence of the evolution that you've gone through.

Once your cerebral cortex flowered, now you don't like boundaries.

But you're trying to expand in an infinite way by counting one, two, three, four, five.

Can you ever count one, two, three, four, five and one day say infinity?

No.

You will only get into endless counting.

That's all that's happening.

That's why I said your longing to expand is a limitless process.

But right now you're constipated.

You're going one little step at a time.

Constipation means just this.

It happens little by little.

So is it a case of trying to find a balance between your ambition to expand and to grow

and be successful and peaceful?

Why should you find balance?

You must expand.

Okay.

So that's what I'm doing.

Yes.

No.

What is the means to become a boundless expansion?

If you look at that, then we say consciousness.

This is what raising human consciousness means.

Because you realize physical expansion is not a realistic thing.

We can make physical arrangements as we want, as we need for our convenience and comfort.

But that is not the way to expand.

Expansion needs to happen in a way that it's not physical in nature.

Then you can also own the universe.

I can also own the universe.

When I look at the way we're living our lives in the Western world, you talked about the

WHO.

They describe stress as an epidemic sometimes, and they say it's a major contributor to the

diseases that we're undergoing.

I'm trying to figure out in my life if there's anywhere I'm going wrong, because I'm building

these businesses and I sometimes ask myself to what end?

When you say, where am I going wrong?

The fundamental wrong is this.

Thought is not you.

If you think it's you, then you're trapped in that.

If you think that I am this chair, because we sat on this chair for a period of time,

if you think you're this chair, now this chair will go with you, stuck to your backside wherever

you go.

That's a very ugly thing to do, isn't it?

It's the same thing right now.

Your thought, you think it's you, your emotion, you think it's you, your physiological stuff,

you think it's you.

It's pretty ugly.

Just because everybody's got this chair stuck to the backside, it looks like it's normal.

After all, it's convenient wherever you go, you don't have to look for a chair.

You've got a chair fixed.

If I identify with all these things, if I identify with this chair, you're saying that

that becomes a way to…

That's all.

The thing is, your identity, whatever you're identified with, that becomes a part of you.

And is that what's causing us a lot of our despair?

Yes.

You sit here just as life.

What is your problem?

I live for thoughts.

As long as you're alive, everything is fine.

Yeah.

So the only problem is, you're identified with things that you're not.

So the whole lot of confusion about everything.

So if you're successful, you suffer.

If you're failure, you suffer.

If you're…

See, look at the thing.

Is there one thing that human beings are not suffering?

Just tell me.

Somebody is poor, they suffer their poverty.

Somebody becomes rich, they suffer the taxes.

No children, they suffer that.

Give them children every day, pain, something or the other.

So it looks like whole life is suffering.

So somebody makes a philosophy, whole life is suffering.

You must go to heaven.

If you know that much, why are you not gone?

You are not gone because you don't know a damn thing.

Whether there is a place better than this somewhere or not, you don't know.

You're just claiming these things to somehow fix your psychological sloshing that's happening

inside.

You're making up things to somehow believe something so that your psychology won't just

splash all over the place and go crazy.

You're trying to hold yourself in place, telling yourself fairy tales, all right?

So what I'm saying is, do you believe?

If you want to navigate your life through this time that we have in a sensible manner,

the most important thing is to see life as is, as it is.

If I don't see in this room things as they are, I will walk into this table, I will bump

into somebody, I will do crazy things every day.

If I see very clearly, navigating myself through all these cables and tripods is not

a big problem, hello?

But if I don't see, if there's no clarity of vision, if I'm not seeing things as they

are, then what a mess it is, every little thing, that's all the problem is.

Not that what you're doing is wrong, the way you're seeing it is wrong.

How do I know the way I'm seeing it is wrong?

What is the evidence of that, all the symptoms of that?

As you're giving me the evidence from statistics, that's the evidence.

So I am not like that, obviously you're here, I'm here, so both of us didn't commit suicide,

so we are not in the statistic, that's not the point.

You think those people who committed suicide, everything was wrong with their life?

No, not everything was wrong with their life, a few things, as it goes wrong in your life,

in my life, everybody's life, some things don't work, all right?

In everybody's life, something doesn't work in the outside world.

If everything is working for you, obviously you're living a very petty life.

In my life, ninety-five percent of the things that I want doesn't happen, only five percent

happens because I'm trying to fix everything in the world.

Most of the things don't happen, so if anybody wants to die of frustration, it must be me,

but I will not, because no matter what, I will die of blissed out, I live blissed out,

I die of blissed out, because what I do, what the situation is around me and how I am are

never connected, I'm the way I am, I'll do my best.

Has it required you to train yourself to sort of disattach from…

No, no, no.

See, this is all because, see the problem is too much spiritual jargon is going all over

the world because every idiot who's read two books can write his next book.

If you read two books, there was a time when people read ten books and then wrote one book,

that was called Plagarism.

Now they read two books and they write the third book.

See, your… your background is full of books.

I hope you've not read all of them.

I've only read two and I'm writing one.

Because just about everybody is writing, it's all right.

It's freedom of expression, they can write what they want, but these are two things.

There is expression and there is perception.

Which should you invest in more?

Perception.

If you perceive well, your expression will be valuable.

Right now everybody's on an expression binge without perceiving a damn thing.

There will be so many people that are going through stress at work in their relationships

in their household, listening to this, going, how do I live blissed out like he does?

What's step one in that staircase?

I'll tell you.

See, whatever you call it, you call it by whatever name you want.

Stress, anxiety, tension, depression, bipolar, this one, that one, many things.

I was talking to some of the top psychiatrists in UK and they told me there are seventy-two

varieties of psychological ailments.

I thought they may be half a dozen.

But they said there are seventy-two varieties of psychological ailments.

I was really surprised, seventy-two, that's like a golf game, you know.

Then I asked, what are these?

They told me quite a few things.

One of the things they told was compulsive nose-picking.

Even if they're bleeding in the nose, they can't stop it.

That explains everything in a way.

Compulsive nose-picking, leave the nose-picking, it's compulsiveness.

You're compulsive in your thought, compulsive in your emotion, compulsive in your actions.

That's all the problem is.

How do you fix compulsiveness?

If this room is dark, how do you fix it?

Let's do one thing.

Both of us fight with this darkness and push it out of the window.

There's no such thing.

If you turn on the light, it's gone.

So there is no substitute for consciousness.

If you become conscious, compulsive behavior is gone.

Suppose you are in thought, emotion, action and energy, you are not compulsive.

That you can create whatever thought you want, whatever emotion you want.

Would you keep yourself blissed out or miserable?

What's your choice?

Blissed out.

For yourself, every human being, for themselves, they want the highest level of pleasantness.

So the intent is already there.

You don't...

I don't have to inspire them.

Blissed out.

There's no such philosophy.

Every human being wants the highest level of pleasantness for themselves.

Those who think it's hopeless here, they are the ones who created heaven.

They said there is a place which is always pleasant.

But they don't have any proof that we are all... we are not already in heaven and making

a mess out of that.

Hello?

Do you?

Do you think this is heaven?

This is planet earth and it's a fantastic place and it's the most fantastic place we

have seen in the non-universe.

Do you think there's heaven though?

Do you think there's somewhere else we go to that is another world after this world?

Everybody who thinks there is one, they must go today.

Hello?

If they... if they have better accommodation somewhere than London, should they not go?

Did people not rush to America at one time?

Why are they not going?

No, they want you to go.

This is not good.

See, whatever kind of mental ailment you talk about, essentially when your intelligence

turn against you, there's no power in the universe which can help you.

But why is my intelligence turning against me?

Somewhere we have not learned how to handle it, isn't it?

Your education systems, your society, nowhere is there anything to teach a child how to

handle their own intelligence, their own emotions, their own thoughts.

There is no such thing, all fixing mechanic shop, you know, repair jobs everywhere, leave

the repair jobs.

The simple thing is this, the reason why people are struggling with this is they have...

Pardon my words, but otherwise people won't get it.

They have a mental diarrhea.

This doesn't create anything except distress.

Anything that runs loose without your control is called diarrhea.

Why has it happened?

Even today, even if somebody gets physical diarrhea, immediately somebody will pop a pill.

But traditionally what did we do?

Everybody has diarrhea.

First thing is we understood we have eaten something wrong.

First thing we did was just don't eat, just drink water and wait and next identify what

did I eat yesterday or today morning, what happened to me, what is it that I consumed

which caused this and avoid that.

But now we will plug it in, no, if you plug it in, it will all rise within yourself.

This is all that's happening.

Right now our way of doing life is very forceful.

When I had mental diarrhea last time, the last time I had mental diarrhea, that kind

of overthinking causes anxiety, all those things.

Let me correct this.

There is no overthinking.

I am saying people are not thinking enough, this is a serious problem.

But they think they are overthinking, they are not overthinking.

It's a diarrhea, it's happening.

Why is it happening?

Something wrong food has gone in.

What is the wrong food?

This is all it is.

The moment you identify yourself with something that you are not, your mind, you cannot stop.

Do what you want.

Do whatever you want, it will not stop.

So that anxiety that people experience where they start remunerating about the future or

something that's happened, that is because that they don't...

No, let me put it this way.

This question, I understand what you are saying.

See, what is it that human beings are suffering?

What happened ten years ago, they are still suffering.

What may happen day after tomorrow, they are already suffering, this is what you are saying.

What happened ten years ago, is it here now?

Does it exist?

No.

What may happen day after tomorrow, does it exist here?

No.

So if you are suffering something that does not exist, what does it mean?

Tell me bluntly, if you are suffering something that doesn't exist here...

It's like insanity, but it feels like it exists.

It is insanity.

It is insanity.

That's why I am saying once you start doing this, how far you go?

When will you graduate?

When will you end up in a doctor's place?

When will you end up in asylum?

He's a question of time.

But now, world bodies are predicting it's going to happen, large scale, very soon.

Let me give you an example.

Someone has a sick child, or they just lost their job, and they are thinking over and

over again about, oh my God, my child is going to die, I am going to lose my job, and then

I can't feed myself, I am going to lose my house, then I am going to be on the street.

That kind of remuneration and stress, that anxiety they experience on a day-to-day basis

because they are scared of losing something which they believe will end them up on the

street or lose their job or they won't be able to feed their family.

That kind of torment.

I wouldn't want to put those two things in the same level, losing a child and losing

a job, all right?

Losing a child is a different thing, it's a completely different thing.

Obviously there will be a certain amount of pain in any human being, that's different.

So let us say such a terrible thing we had to face that we may lose our child.

Tell me, can you do the best for the child if you are in your sanity, or is it good to

go into insanity?

I feel like it takes a tremendous discipline.

What it takes we will see later, but I am just asking a fundamental question.

Okay, when it makes more sense not to go into insanity.

Yes, sanity will make a difference.

Maybe we can save the child, maybe we cannot because all aspects of life we don't determine.

Our experience we can determine.

See, what happens in the world around you, even if you are just two people in the family,

never will it happen 100% your way.

If you try, nobody will be around you, it's as simple as that.

I've read your story, so I know that there's moments in your life where you've lost people

that you loved.

A lot of people, not one or two, because my family is so large, almost every other day

I am burying somebody who's very dear to me.

Which one of those moments impacted you the most and did any of them drive you into the

insanity that we're talking about?

No, I don't let anything drive me into insanity.

This is a brief amount of time that you have as life.

Here we create many things.

People creating businesses.

I have large moments where millions of people are involved, there are relationships.

You cannot take these things lightly because other lives are involved, but you cannot prevent

anybody from dying.

You can attend to them.

If something is going to happen to them, you can make attempts to save them, but you cannot

prevent anybody from absolutely dying, including yourself.

It's a fact.

So the only two things that we have is a certain amount of time and a certain amount of energy.

This is all that you call as life.

What do you want to make out of it?

You want to make a mess out of it, see the thing is, first of all, they are living an

emotionally constipated life.

They only loved their child.

I saw everybody as mine.

Everything that happened hurts, but that's part of it.

If you walk in a forest, there are thorns in your feet, but this doesn't mean you don't

enjoy the forest, all right?

You have moments of sadness.

See, you're asking a very question which is hard for me to say because I have done this

to myself, that nothing happens within me the way I don't want it.

If that was your situation, nothing happens within you unconsciously.

Everything that happens happens the way you want, within yourself.

What is the experience that you want to have right now is always determined by you.

What would be your choice, grief and misery, is it?

No.

See, you're the only creature who can decide your way of being no matter what is the surrounding.

Every other creature is an instinctive reaction to what's happening around them because they

are only fired by their survival instinct.

They don't have any other aspiration.

Once their stomach is full, their life is settled.

For a human being, stomach empty is only one problem.

Not full, one hundred problems because life doesn't settle with survival.

You want to be something else all the time.

The problem is you're a being, you're supposed to know how to be.

How far away have human beings gone from the definition or that aspiration?

So is that an incorrect question to ask then because I asked you if you experienced sadness?

If I want to, I do.

If you want to, you do.

Okay.

I said it doesn't happen as it doesn't happen by itself.

If I want, I can be loving.

If I want, I can be joyful.

Like if I want, I can be sad.

Yes, when somebody dear to you is no more, you allow yourself that.

But do you stop doing anything?

No.

That sense of purpose you have, the most popular question that young people ask me

is about passion and purpose.

They've been indoctrinated by society to think that they have this one purpose.

And their big issue is they can't seem to find it.

So like in Easter Egg, they're going in hunts of what's my purpose?

How do I know once I've reached my purpose?

The people that are working now in jobs, listening to this on their way on the tube to work.

What is this subject of purpose and passion?

What do I commit my life to?

How do we go about answering that?

See, if you get absolutely committed to your purpose, you will be called a fanatic.

If you're willing to do whatever it takes to achieve that, you will be called a terrorist.

So there is no purpose to life.

If you are not a vested interest and you can be not a vested interest, only when you're

joyful by your own nature, that how you are is determined by you.

So this is the fundamental you have to set, that your experience of life is determined

by you.

When I say experience of life, people are always thinking experiences happen because

of external stimuli.

No.

If you dream of a tiger, you can experience fear, isn't it?

You can dream of somebody beautiful and experience love.

Yes or no?

So I'm saying all experiences cause from within you.

Human experience happens from within you, never from outside of you.

There may be a stimuli.

Now this stimuli means just like this, you know, you're too young to know these things.

There used to be wax hall cars in this country.

They always used to pocket in a slope like this because morning, you need two people

to push that car in the morning in fifties and sixties, I'm saying.

Later on, they had crank start.

You need one person to do that, otherwise you can't get your car started.

Today all cars are self-start.

I'm asking you, your peace, your joy, your love, your blissfulness, would you want to

keep it on self-start or push start?

Self-start.

I wouldn't want it to rely on anyone else.

The question you're asking repeatedly, you want push start, don't be on push start.

Inner experiences are always on self-start.

Outside world will never happen 100% our way, little bit your way, little bit my way, little

bit somebody else's way, and that's how it should be because everything happened your

way, where the hell do I go?

It doesn't happen your way or my way, it's fine.

It is only fine if you're joyful by your own nature, but if your happiness depends on what

happens on the outside, then you being happy is a remote possibility.

I want to be happy on my own nature.

I hear what you've said, however, I'm going to walk out of this room and I'd know something's

going to annoy me, maybe my words are even wrong, but then I'll immediately snap back

into this sort of unconscious, I don't know, dismay or despair.

How does one go about like the first step in becoming happy by our own nature?

Do you think your life is worthwhile?

Your life is worth investing about 32 hours of focused time upon it, your life.

If you think so, you should do that.

This is what the process that I've called it as Inner Engineering, 32 hours of focused

time.

Book is just a large brochure, you know, because there is a practice involved.

When I say a practice, a simple practice which only twenty-one minutes of practice, to teach

this twenty-one minute practice, we take thirty-two hours of orientation because without that it

won't happen.

You need to understand how the mechanism of your own thoughts, if your hand is punching

you in the face, why is it doing that?

You need to understand.

Otherwise, just holding it down is not the answer.

This is the most sophisticated machine on the planet.

Have you read the user's manual?

The user's manual for my body?

For yourself as a life.

No, I didn't know that was one.

So when do you want to do it?

Towards the end of the life is when people think they should do it.

It's like you got yourself your iPad.

Should you read the user's manual in the first three days or after three years when you're

getting rid of the machine?

When I first get it.

Yes.

But nobody gives me the user's manual for myself?

No, no, the thing is it's inbuilt.

You have to just pay attention.

How do I do that?

You will do one thing, right?

Shall we do a simple experiment with this?

You'll have to do this with your eyes closed.

But right now look at me.

Afterwards you can do.

You place your palms like this, facing down upon your thigh, gently placed.

So you will start breathing slightly deeper, ten-fifteen percent deeper than normal.

Don't do it yet.

Hello.

And as you're doing it, I will say switch.

Then you turn your hands around gently upon your thigh, like this.

And again when I say switch, get back this way.

In these two conditions, something about your breath will change.

I will also give you a clue what could be changing.

Where the air is filling up in your lungs, how it fills up.

Something about it will change.

Or let me put it this way, the maximum expansion and contraction.

In which part of the chest is it happening?

This way, which way?

This way, which way?

Just notice that.

Just hold your palms facing down, close your eyes.

Okay.

And when you say switch, turn my hands over, right?

Yes.

Breathe slightly deeper, not very forcefully.

Just ten-fifteen percent more.

Notice where the maximum expansion and contraction is happening.

Switch.

Switch again.

Please open your eyes.

There's some difference?

Yeah.

What is it?

In what part?

I feel, how I feel?

No.

Where is the maximum expansion and contraction when you're holding two different postures?

I felt like my chest and my belly were expanding more when I was switching.

I felt like I was just getting more air into my body.

Let me tell you what's happening.

You can experiment by yourself and see.

When you have your hands facing together, facing down with all fingers together, maximum

expansion and contraction is happening in the lower, lower lungs.

If you turn it around, it shifts to the middle of the lung.

A middle of being much larger, you feel more, but actually it's the shift.

So I'm saying, just by turning your hands around like this, the very way you breathe

is altering itself.

It's not just the breath.

The very way your life energy's function is altering itself.

How many times in a day unconsciously are you?

Now you're setting your energies into turmoil and hoping to be peaceful.

It will not work and I'm happy it doesn't work because if it works for you by doing

wild things and still everything is peaceful and wonderful within you, then what is the

use of my life?

Spending a whole lifetime paying attention to every little thing that's happening here.

I'm saying, if you can drive blind on the London streets and not hit anything, a good

driver will feel insulted, isn't it?

That's all I'm saying.

But how do we learn the user manual for ourselves though?

So, you know, is it, it's not something we go and read in a book.

The problem is this.

All your sense organs are outward bound because they're survival instruments.

Your sense organs, your ability to see, hear, smell, taste and touch are essentially your

survival instruments.

Life cannot be enhanced by them.

You can only survive better.

If you see better than me, you can survive better than me.

If you hear better than me, you can survive better than me.

But this life will not feel enhanced by perceiving more through the five sense organs and they're

all outward bound.

You can see me.

Can you roll your eyeballs inward and scan yourself?

No.

You can hear that.

So much happening in the body.

Can you hear that?

No.

So, all your sense organs are only to perceive what's happening around you, not to perceive

what's within you.

So, to perceive within you, you need to turn inward.

That needs a little...

Because it's not survival.

Something has to be done.

You know how to write English language?

Yeah.

Yes.

Even the damn 26 alphabets, you took some effort, isn't it?

Hello?

Yeah, I did.

It took some effort and it took some guidance because anything that's beyond survival needs

striving.

That striving is missing in the society.

There was a time, there was a time where in the civilization that we refer to as Hindustan

or Bharat or today being the political countries being called as India, in this culture, seventy

percent of the people were invested in inward well-being.

Because of that, they became super-enhanced.

Because of that enhancement, they became so wealthy in everything, rich in mathematics,

rich in astronomy, rich in business, rich in trade, rich in industry.

It was the richest nation on the planet just three hundred years ago.

See, everybody from here, whether it's English or French or Portuguese, everybody went to

India.

You think in search of poverty, in search of wealth, isn't it?

It became like that effortlessly without conquering anybody, without having large armies

because people invested in enhancing themselves.

I'm telling you, if you try to enhance your activity without enhancing yourself, you'll

only die of stress.

This is what is happening to unfortunately whole lot of CEOs.

I'm concerned about this because a CEO means you gave something that is important, that

needs to happen in the world into his hands, his or her hands.

And if they are stressed out, what misery will they create for the rest of the world?

It's very important.

That journey to taking care of ourselves, like I had to learn how to read a book or

to learn language.

No, I'm saying anything that's not survival will not come naturally.

You have to strive.

This society has to create that longing.

Being peaceful and joyful is more important for a human being's experience of life than

me being better than you.

That orientation the society has to create, isn't it?

I agree.

I agree.

It just seems like there's such a powerful narrative coming from social media, magazines,

TV, movies.

Yes, yes.

I'm not denying that.

Making us individualistic and it's not even individualistic, it's always about me being

better than you.

We started from the kindergarten school.

There itself, they told you, I am first rank, your third rank.

From there it started, I am better than you.

So the whole life is about being better than somebody means essentially what it means is

I enjoy your failures.

Does it sound like joy to you or sickness to you?

Sounds like a sickness.

It is a sickness.

We're building into our children right from day one.

What about trauma?

I was thinking about early trauma and how that drives us to be, drives us away from a life

of contentment, drives us towards a life where we might end up in prison or we might be dysfunctional

in other ways because of something early that happened when we were seven years old.

You know, it could be a small thing or a big trauma that has orientated us to be greedy

or to be selfish or to be in the worst case, maybe to her others.

Essentially you're finding an excuse for the way you are, which you yourself don't like.

See, if something unpleasant happened to you, you have two choices.

Either you can become wise or you can become wounded.

Choose.

More unpleasant things happened to you than anybody else.

You must be the wisest man soonest.

No, you choose to be wounded because you carry this wound like a badge and so that you can

cause the same wound to others.

What's the point?

When you know the pain of it, how do you do the same thing to me?

But it becomes a survival.

No, there is no excuse.

The thing is just this.

Instead of intelligently, consciously responding to life, you are reacting like any other creature.

That's all.

So something bad happens to me when I'm seven years old and these neurons fire in my brain

that make me react badly.

This is all WhatsApp neurology.

Whoever told you these things.

So right now, we have a research center in Howard Medical School in Beth Israel Hospital,

okay, right now in October, this month on 17th to 21st, we have an international conference

there.

In these five, six years of its existence, they have done a lot of studying.

One thing they found was, I can't go into all the scientific things I'm not a scientist,

but one important thing is this simple 21-minute practice I'm talking about.

People who did this for over six to eight weeks, the endocanibonides in their system

is 70% higher than what is considered to be normal.

What is normal for a happy person is 70% higher than that.

You know what's endocanibonide?

You know what's cannabis?

Yeah.

Yes.

Every human being has cannabis receptors.

This doesn't mean that this body was created to smoke cannabis.

You're supposed to produce it.

When you don't produce it, you try to substitute from outside.

That's a different matter.

Let me not go into that aspect.

But 70% higher, what this means is, it is about 23% higher than what happens in sexual

orgasm or extreme exercise, simply sitting here.

So if you felt like that every moment of your life, do I have to tell you, don't rob, don't

kill, don't do this?

No.

That's all you need to do.

We've not fixed that one thing.

See, when you were a child, when you were five years of age, you was just bubbling with

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Somebody had to work hard to make you unhappy at that time.

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What happened to the equation?

If you had really grown up, five years, if you're that happy, by the time you're 31,

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People typically do feel more miserable as they age.

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You said something earlier about humans are the most intelligent species on earth.

Aren't we?

You have a doubt about that.

For now, artificial intelligence.

I wanted to ask you about this.

No, artificial intelligence.

We'll come to that.

First establish this.

artificial intelligence is created by human beings, isn't it?

Yes.

Then how did it become more intelligent than me?

Read more books?

No.

See, everything, everything that's man made here in this world came out of human intelligence

and it's still not a full expression of our intelligence.

Still there are many, many more things we can do.

You are thinking mind means, intelligence means just intellectual process.

Because of that, you think the phone is smarter than you because it has better memory and

it has better computing process.

So all those who are on one-dimensional intelligence, which is intellect, which is a European problem,

if you ask me, you're exited but still you're European, you know?

In culture.

I know you've Brexit it but…

So it's in Europe that suddenly human thought became very illogized.

Why it became like this is, the dogmatic religious beliefs, which did not allow people to think

for themselves.

If you thought anything other than what's written in the book, you're dead.

They made this for few centuries, so suddenly when they broke away from that and started

thinking for themselves, they suddenly thought, this is liberation.

And the illogized human thought and we crafted the whole education system on the planet based

on that.

Today you're just using one dimension of your intelligence, which is intellect.

Thought process is thought to be everything, where one of them went to the extent of saying,

I think so, I exist.

What are the other dimensions of human intellect?

Welcome, welcome.

I'm asking you, do you exist because you think?

Or because you exist you think?

Because I exist, I think.

Yeah.

You may think if you want or you may not think, it's up to you.

So because you exist, your existence is important.

Your existence, is it because you're seeing me that you exist?

Even if you close your eyes, you still exist, isn't it?

Yeah.

If you don't hear anything, you still exist.

So your existence is fundamental.

These are all activities of seeing, hearing, smelling, thinking, emoting.

These are all activities of your existence, the life that you are.

But we got it all upside down and how do you expect it to work?

Because another aspect is if I ask you a simple question, would you want your intellect to

be sharp or blunt?

What's your answer?

Sharp.

Sharp.

If I give you a sharp instrument, let's say we give you a very sharp knife, now you must

be very conscious how you move your hand.

If you are little la-la-la-la kind, la-la-la-la-la, if you do, intestines will come out.

Yes or no?

Yes.

We don't give a knife to a child's hand only because of this, because his hand is not

steady, not because knife is dangerous.

Never in the history has it ever happened, a knife jumped up and stabbed somebody.

It never happened, believe me.

I've been following the news.

It is only the hand that wails it.

It can cut a vegetable and make you meal or it can do surgery and save somebody's life

or stab somebody and take their life.

All these things the hand can do, not the knife.

So right now, your intellect is a sharp instrument.

Once you have a sharp instrument, you must know how to hold it.

This is simply not there.

Everybody's cutting themselves up and they think something is wrong with life.

You can call this stress, anxiety, misery, whatever you want.

You have a sharp instrument and you're unconscious, so you're cutting yourself up.

Well, that instrument, that sharp instrument in a world where we're building machines

that have the intelligence of a million people and those machines can make decisions.

So theoretically, the machine can now decide to send a missile at a country on its own.

But if we had the intelligence, we wouldn't make a missile.

Yeah, but we have.

And this is what I'm concerned about is I've sat here with all these AI experts

and they're talking about the issue.

They're telling me they're not going to be able to contain this artificial intelligence.

See, let me tell you an example.

I've spoken about this before.

I don't know if I should repeat that, but let me say this.

I remember this very clearly.

It was 1972.

You didn't exist.

And for the first time, they installed a gantry in the port in Mumbai called the Mazagon docks.

In the docks, they put up a gantry.

Till then, as it was done everywhere in the world, maybe a little further back,

there were labor who were going up into the ships and getting the sacks out and unloading.

Those days, the largest vessels were about 125,000 to 150,000 tons.

They would take 24 to 28 days to unload one vessel.

So they installed a gantry.

So all of them went on strike, a big strike which paralyzed Mumbai city.

At that time, it was Bombay.

It got completely paralyzed because all the labor went on strike.

I'm sure many such labor strikes have happened here.

Every time a new machine was installed, people went on strike because their argument was,

if you put this machine, this is going to unload a ship in one day.

What are we supposed to do with our muscle?

We got this muscle.

Now, what are we supposed to do?

They went on strike.

This is what now the professors, academics, all the intellectual people who only invested in their intellect

are now saying, what are we supposed to do?

The machine will do everything.

It's fantastic, isn't it?

All the machines are doing all the hard work for you.

But when the machines can think, the machines could make a decision that they want to do things that aren't good.

Only machines think.

Do only machines think?

Only machines think.

Only if you've reduced yourself to become a mechanical thing,

you're only thinking about life.

Otherwise, there's a way of opening yourself up to life and experience the magic of life.

Right now, you're trapped in the logic of life.

When I say the logic of life, logic is the foundation.

It's very, very important.

But suppose in this building, we make you live in the foundations.

Today, it's called basement, but it's actually a dungeon.

We used to lock up people there or animals or something.

If you want somebody to have a horrible life, you put them in the foundations.

That's all I'm saying.

If you live with the foundations of your life, which is your logic,

you will live a bad life no matter where you are.

Even if I put you up in a palace, you still suffer.

Are you scared at all?

Are you concerned at all?

Humans have made nuclear bombs.

Now they've made this thing called artificial intelligence, which is accelerating.

Are you concerned at all that it will get into the wrong hands and people who are stressed?

No, artificial intelligence means at least the human error will be taken out.

I'm happy about that.

The human error?

Yeah, there are so many idiots who can do anything.

Half-brained people get to the top of the nation.

They could do anything.

At least artificial intelligence means there'll be a proper process before we launch anything.

So you're happy about artificial intelligence?

I'm happy about any development because essentially how I see is,

let me tell you my experience, first experience of an intelligent machine.

I was probably twelve, thirteen years old.

I was in my ninth standard and I went to school only when I had to.

Most of the time I got lost on the way.

But when I went, I thought this was just an unnecessary nonsense in my life.

So I spent most of the time in the library and barely went to the classroom.

Like me?

So, one day somebody brought a flatbed calculator.

Maybe you've not even seen one like that, you're all doing on the phone and iPad.

Flatbed calculator is, most of it is flat one little screen like this.

We've never seen anything like this.

So you say, you know, 185 into 365 took, answer is right there.

I looked at it and I felt really insulted.

Why the hell are they tormenting me in a mathematics class?

When this machine is there, why can't they make one machine for chemistry,

one machine for physics, one machine for every damn thing?

I enjoyed swimming in the lakes, I've enjoyed sitting on the trees,

I enjoyed loitering around all over the countryside.

I learned my life like that.

But this nonsense, why am I going through this when this silly machine can do this?

At last my dream is coming true, I'm very happy.

Everything that human beings can do, see, this silly mentality,

what will happen to our jobs?

Why do you need a job?

All you need is food to survive.

Suppose everybody on the planet is fed, I know those guys,

idiots will become drunkards and drug addicts, that's a different matter.

But if everybody is fed and you don't have to worry about your living,

this is when human beings can do something absolutely fantastic.

Right now they're spending their life just to earn a living.

When will they make a life out of themselves?

What you said sounds almost identical to what the founder and the CEO of OpenAI,

who made ChatGPT, which is leading the way at the moment,

said literally yesterday in an interview he did,

he said, if we can get people to a point where they don't have to worry about

tedious jobs, then they can live these blissful lives.

We'll do one thing, we'll remove all the earth moving machines and everything,

give everybody a pickaxe and a crowbar and a spade,

let them all go back to the mines and construction everywhere,

let them start doing physically, will they protest or no?

They will protest.

Ah, that's what will happen in 50 years time.

If you ask them to multiply, they'll protest.

That's what I said the first moment I saw the calculator,

I said, what is this nonsense?

Why am I doing all this when I can do tuk-tuk-tuk here?

The counter argument to that is that people need a sense of like purpose,

something to strive for.

You need a false purpose to live because you have not even made an attempt

to understand what this life is about, what its potential is about.

You need a false purpose, you go and dig in the mine and it's your purpose.

And then you produce children, putting bread on the table is a big purpose to your life.

The silliest way to live for a human being.

That's how most people live.

Unfortunately, that's the kind of world we have created.

And the world that if you could wave a wand now and create a different world,

which I know you're trying to do, in fact, you're building a city in America, right?

You're part of a project.

This is why I find it so fascinating because I look at the way we've designed society

and it's so stubborn in the way we've designed it.

I often wonder if we're going to have to go back to a blank canvas

and redesign it again from the ground up.

That's never going to happen.

Where is a blank canvas?

How do you create a blank canvas?

That's never going to happen.

It does it somewhere.

You have to slowly see the thing is, this happened.

Can I tell you a joke?

Please.

One day a cardiologist, a famous cardiologist, a doctor,

went because he was driving an Aston Martin and it gives trouble, you know.

He went to the garage and the mechanic said,

yes, doctor, leave the car here.

Evening, I'll have it ready.

The doctor took the taxi and went to the hospital and came back in the evening.

The mechanic had not even touched it.

Then I said, hey, why is it not in?

Oh, no, doc, this is that.

Tomorrow morning, I'll have it ready.

Tomorrow morning, he came, car was not ready.

He said, hey, what are you trying to do?

Why is it that you're not doing?

Then the mechanic said, huh, see, I fixed your engine.

You pay me 500 pounds.

But you fixed somebody's heart and they pay you 50,000 pounds.

Why is that?

You fixing an engine?

I'm fixing an engine.

The doctor said, try to fix it when it's running.

If you could demolish everything and rebuild, it's very easy.

The thing is, you have to rebuild it when it's on.

That is the whole challenge, isn't it?

That goes for an individual human being, that goes for the society, that goes for the world.

We have to rebuild it when it's still functioning.

After you demolish, means are you inviting a nuclear holocaust so that later on we can rebuild it?

It's not a good idea.

No, that's not what we want.

And that's why the practice that you described matters because it doesn't matter.

Even if you're manning a nuclear bomb, let's say it's your job to press the button.

You're waiting there.

If you're miserable, frustrated, depressed, even without a command, you may press if it was in your hand.

Sometimes it may happen.

But if you're joyful, blissful, natural, and you're not going to be able to do anything,

see, this is something people don't understand.

People think love brings them happiness.

It's not true.

If you're very joyful, you will look upon everything in a loving manner.

Because what you call as joy, love, let me put it this way.

If your body becomes pleasant, we call this health.

You want it?

Yes.

If it becomes very pleasant, we call it pleasure.

You want it?

Yes.

Only to create pleasantness in your surroundings, do you need the cooperation

of various people and many forces around you?

But to create pleasantness in your body, mind, emotion, and energy is 100% your business.

If you were the only person on this planet, would you know whether you're good or bad?

I wouldn't know.

So, if you're very joyful, you will look upon everything in a loving manner.

I wouldn't know.

So, it is only by comparison that you know that you're good.

But if you were the only person on this planet, if you were joyful, would you know you're joyful?

Yes.

That's important.

So, you're saying focus on joy and how we feel versus good or bad?

No, I'm not saying focus on joy.

I'm just saying you understand this.

Your interiority can happen 100% your way if you're willing.

External things will not happen 100% our way.

We have to strive.

Some things happen our way.

Many things don't happen our way.

But internally, if you're happening your way, you will keep yourself very pleasant.

When you're pleasant, we can expect pleasant things from you.

When you're unpleasant, I expect pleasant things from you.

Where is it going to happen?

People in the name of religion, in the name of love, in the name of caring,

they've done terrible things, isn't it?

Most horrendous things have been done.

A question I've often asked myself is,

am I, you talked about like fake purpose a second ago.

How do I know if the, because when you interview people and you say like,

what's your purpose or what's your mission?

They'll sit here and they'll give me lots of things, right?

Some of them might be, I want to help people.

I'm just fooling around.

I have no mission.

No, not you.

I'm saying you ask a kid on the street, what's your mission?

Younger kids these days will say they want to save the world

or they want to, they want to be a public speaker or they want to be a YouTuber.

Do you view those as fake ambitions from confused people?

I did not say fake ambitions.

The thing is, you're making up a purpose to bring some meaning to your life.

Yeah.

What you need to understand is,

life is a phenomena beyond all meanings.

Meanings is an element of your mind.

Only human mind needs meanings.

Sun comes up in the morning, doesn't need a meaning.

Full moon out there, doesn't need a meaning.

Tired, doesn't need a meaning.

Only place where you need a meaning is your head.

Your mind needs a meaning.

Why?

Have you seen this?

You've been at some point, at least for moments,

you've been very joyful, blissed out.

You've been, at that time, do you ask what is the meaning of life?

No.

No, only when you're miserable, it's important.

So you create one problem and then you create another problem and another problem

and you think it's a solution.

No, meaning is a serious problem.

Meaning has become meaningful for somebody, only because they're in some way distressed.

The process of life and the experience of life has become burdensome.

Why am I carrying this?

I want a meaning for the burden that I'm bearing.

If life was a blissful process, why would you care what is the meaning?

So when people, people must ask you all the time, what's the meaning of life?

And you must then, does that suggest that they are absent of bliss?

See, this meaning problem is a very western problem.

In the eastern world, we don't ask for meaning.

We are always looking for profoundness of life.

What's the difference?

The difference is digging deeper into yourself and creating something around your head

are two different things.

Meaning is, so meaning is looking outside for a reason.

Outside or inside doesn't matter.

But you're trying to build a psychological solution to an existential reality.

And you have to accept that existential reality?

See, the existential reality is you don't know where the hell you came from.

And I don't know where I'm going.

And you don't know where you're going.

You're just here for a brief amount of time.

And you think you're the center of the world.

That means you must be very religious because it's the religious people who went on propagating

that this planet is the center of the universe.

Though in India, for over 6000 years, people have known planet is round and it goes around

the sun.

Clearly there are drawings and there are books.

There are documents which clearly say that.

But people who are following dogmatic religious processes, they propagated that this is the

center of the universe.

Now, will they say we said what is wrong and apologize for that?

No, because when I think I am the center of the universe, I will be doing so many idiotic things.

You must apologize if you are the one who taught me that nonsense.

So life doesn't have a birth given me.

Let me tell you, this happened.

There was a bishop in Istanbul.

At that time, it was Constantinople.

You know, I mean, I'm not trying to insult any community, but this actually happened.

So I'm quoting the thing.

In 1924, this bishop was part of the Greek Orthodox Church.

Very Orthodox Church and he's a bishop.

So all his life, he's a man of cloth.

He was there.

But being in Istanbul, you know, all these exotic stories come wafting across the

phosphorus from India about the mistakes, about the yogis, about many, many things.

India is full of stories like this.

And for ages, these things have been coming and excited people to travel to the east,

all this stuff.

So he always wanted to go to India and meet a real yogi or a mystic.

But being a man of cloth, he couldn't decide where he goes and doesn't go.

When he was over 60 years of age, he got an opportunity to go to India.

He went to southern India and found a good guide who could guide him.

And the guide took him and said, see on this particular mountain,

if you go this way, this way, this way, he gave all the landmarks.

If you go there, there's a cave.

There there is a yogi.

That is the man you're looking for.

So our bishop went all the way up.

Mountains are not kind to people who lived in churches or in indoors.

You know, they don't care who you are.

They trouble you.

So with great difficulty, he went up.

When he went to that place just outside the cave,

a yogi was sitting totally blissed out with his eyes closed.

So the bishop had heard that if you see a yogi, you must prostrate before him.

So he went down and he was not fit for those kind of postures.

But with great difficulty, he went down, huffing, puffing.

He stood up again.

Hearing all the commotion, the yogi opened his eyes and smiled.

Then the bishop asked, can I ask you a question?

This is the first introduction.

The yogi laughed and said, well, by all means you can ask a question.

Then the bishop asked, what is life?

See, as a human being, you have the intelligence to ask this question when you are eight years of age.

Well, in your childishness, you missed it.

At least when you're sixteen, you should have asked.

Definitely you have the intelligence to ask that question.

But now you're well over sixty.

Now you're asking, what is life?

But it's okay.

It's better late than never, you know.

So when he said that, yogi went into raptures.

Life, life is like the fragrance of jasmine, you know, upon the gentle prince spring breeze.

The bishop said, what?

Fragrance of jasmine upon gentle spring breeze?

My teacher told me, life is like a thorn.

Once it gets into you, if you sit, it hurts.

If you stand, it hurts.

If you lie down, it hurts.

And you are saying, it is like the fragrance of jasmine upon gentle spring breeze.

Then the yogi laughed and said, well, that's his life.

You must understand, your experience of life is determined by you.

It's your choice.

The last thing I wanted to ask you about is a campaign you've recently been putting a lot of

effort into, which is the Save Soil campaign.

I want to know why you're doing that and why that message and campaign is so important for all of us.

One important element of why human beings will become mentally ill.

In the next 15 to 20 years, a lot of people are estimating there may not be a single family

left without one mentally ill person at least.

That's what they're saying.

So this mental illness, why?

See, one thing is in the last hundred years of industrial level of agriculture,

one thing that's happened is we are only seeing soil as a resource.

Soil is not a resource, it's your source.

It is the source of your life.

It is the largest living substance or system on the planet.

If you take a handful of soil, it has eight to 10 billion organisms in it.

It is the most intense life and the largest living system, not just on the planet in the

known universe.

It is the largest living system, but still over 80% of the nations are treating soil as a resource,

which they think they can fix it by adding a chemical or take away a chemical.

Let me come to this very quickly.

What is the problem?

See, if today all the insects disappear from this planet,

in another two and a half to four years, all life on this planet, including you and me and

plant life, everything will be gone.

Insects go away.

If all the worms go away today, in the next one and a half to two years or two and a half years,

all life on this planet will be extinct.

If all the microbes go away, we both of us disappear within the next few seconds.

This is the reality.

They are the foundational life.

We are the cherry on the cake.

Right now, average loss of microbial life is like this.

27,000 species of organisms are going extinct per year.

27,000 species are going extinct per year.

At this rate, it's estimated in the next 25 to 40 years, we will come to a place

where it'll be very difficult for human beings to find basic nourishment on the planet.

First thing that will collapse is your software.

That's what you're seeing in terms of psychological ailments.

That's not the only reason.

All those things are there.

But the most important thing is lack of nourishment, just to give you a perspective.

Some studies have been done in California.

What they are saying is, in 1920, if you ate one orange, what nutrients you got from that?

If you want that today, you need to eat eight oranges.

Has there been a day when you ate eight oranges in a day?

No. This goes for everything else.

You are eating empty food, which doesn't have richness.

Just look at the Google map.

Don't go by what I say.

Just look at the Google map of the world.

How many green patches?

How many brown patches?

It's terrifying.

We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest

leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to leave the question for.

Who was that guy?

I can't tell you.

That question to you, not knowing who it was for.

They didn't know it was for you, is what in your heart of hearts matters to you?

I have only one heart.

That's also why I gave away a long time ago.

Heart of hearts.

I don't have all those things.

I broke my heart into a million pieces and threw it away in the world.

I live not because of my values.

I live not because of my morality.

I live not because of some commandments from somewhere.

I live out of my humanity.

Thank you.

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