The Daily: Passenger Planes Nearly Collide Far More Than You Know
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This is The Daily.
Today, a Times investigation has found that US passenger planes
come dangerously close to crashing into each other.
Far more frequently than the public knows.
My colleague, Cindy Ember, explains why an aviation system
known for its safety is producing such a steady stream
of close calls.
It's Tuesday, September 5th.
Cindy, tell us how this investigation started for you.
So you might remember back in the winter,
travel for passengers became a total nightmare.
Southwest had a meltdown, and then a couple of weeks later,
there was a system failure at the Federal Aviation
Administration.
And this led to lots of delays, lots of cancellations,
and thousands of passengers were stranded.
They were livid, Congress was mad.
And our editor came to us and essentially said,
go figure out why air travel is so annoying.
Right, and seemingly so broken.
And seemingly so broken.
And so we started talking to people in the aviation industry.
We started talking to people who worked at airlines, pilots.
We started talking to air traffic controllers.
Really, anyone we could think of who
might be able to explain this to us.
And what they started saying was, actually,
there is a more important story here to tell,
and it's about safety.
The safety system underlying aviation, underlying safety
for planes and passengers is under tremendous stress.
And at the same time, we started seeing a spate
of public near misses.
And these were near collisions between two planes
that were occurring generally around or at airports.
A terrifying near miss between two passenger planes
on the runway at New York's JFK airport.
There was one incident in mid-January at JFK.
Delta 1943 canceled takeoff plans.
An American Airlines plane made a wrong turn
and crossed a runway as a Delta plane was taking off.
But you could feel a jolt as the brakes activated.
Several weeks later, in Austin, an airport crisis
caught just in time.
A FedEx plane was cleared to land as a Southwest plane
was cleared to take off.
Just seconds away from disaster,
the FedEx pilots initiated what is called a go around.
There were other incidents in Sarasota, one in Boston.
It was just the latest instance of a close call
at an airport, leaving many wondering what's going on.
It was just a whole slew of incidents
that directed attention on whether aviation flying,
as we know it, is safe.
Right, so it sounds like just as people
in the industry are telling you,
hey, there's a safety problem, focus on that,
that you can't not focus on it
because these incidents are starting to happen.
So what did you do next?
Oh man, we continue to talk to people
and we started asking them,
are these incidents that have been occurring
across the country, are there more of them
than we know about and also what's causing them?
And what they told us was there is no real
authoritative comprehensive source
that shows how many commercial planes
are coming into these near collisions.
And so what I started doing with my colleague,
Emily Steele, was digging around and trying to figure out
if we could identify close calls
that hadn't been publicly reported
or that most of the public wouldn't know about.
So we started combing through public databases,
including one maintained by NASA
that have reports by pilots, air traffic controllers,
really anyone involved in aviation
about any safety issues, including close calls.
And eventually we were also able to gain access
to these safety reports that detail incidents
across the country that are distributed
to a select group of employees
at the Federal Aviation Administration.
And so putting all of this together,
these safety reports, these public databases,
a picture started to emerge of a lot more close calls
than almost anyone realizes are happening,
occurring extremely frequently,
really alarmingly frequently.
Well, what do you mean?
Just how frequently, just how alarmingly frequently
did you find based on all this data
that these close calls are happening?
So using these safety reports and these other databases,
what we found was this was happening multiple times
on average every week.
And we looked at July, for example,
and we saw at least 46 close calls
that had occurred involving commercial passenger planes
in the US.
Wait, I just wanna pause on that.
That means more than once a day,
46 times in a single month.
That's right, on average,
it seemed like they were happening more than once a day.
And then when we looked at the NASA database
for the most recent 12 month period
for which data is available,
what we saw was roughly 300 documented reports
of close calls on the ground and in the air.
I mean, that's astonishing.
That suggests that there is a kind of crisis level frequency
of planes nearly colliding.
That's right, it was shocking.
It also confirmed what a lot of people
involved in the industry were telling us
that this is happening just way, way more
than the public realizes.
City, I want us to define this term we're using
because it's going to be very important
for the rest of our conversation.
When we say close call, what exactly do we mean?
So a classic example is something that occurs on a runway
where you can actually see it,
where two planes get too close together,
a pilot has to slam on the brakes.
That's a classic example of a close call.
But in the air, there are also rules
about how close these planes can get to each other.
And in general, planes are not supposed to get
within three miles horizontally
and a thousand feet vertically of each other.
And this doesn't necessarily sound really close,
especially if you're used to driving a car
where these sound like pretty big distances.
But remember that planes are going hundreds of miles
an hour in the air, sometimes over 500 miles an hour.
And these gaps can close within seconds.
So Cindy, give us some examples of the really close calls
that you have been finding in these databases
and in these FAA reports
that most of us didn't even know have happened.
Sure, so in July, for example,
there was an incident that occurred in New Orleans
at the New Orleans airport
where a Delta Airlines flight is preparing to take off
on a runway and at the same time,
a Southwest plane is cleared to land
on the exact same runway.
The Southwest pilot realizes that it's getting too close
and at the last second pulls up and aborts the landing
and avoids a potential collision by just seconds.
Wow, I mean, that would have been absolutely awful.
An accelerating plane on the same runway
as a very fast approaching landing plane
would have potentially been catastrophic.
Exactly.
And then a little over a week later in San Francisco,
an American Airlines plane is accelerating down the runway
for takeoff at more than 160 miles per hour
and narrowly misses a frontier Airlines plane
whose nose had jutted into its path on the same runway.
And then moments later,
a German airliner is also accelerating for takeoff
and just misses the frontier Airlines plane.
And so the American Airlines plane
and the German airliner got so close
to the frontier Airlines plane
that in internal documents,
the FAA describes these encounters as quote,
skin to skin.
Which is a very evocative phrase.
It sounds like FAA way of saying way too close.
Way, way, way too close.
And then two and a half weeks later in the sky,
an American flight to Dallas
was traveling at more than 500 miles per hour
when a collision alert blares in the cockpit
because a United flight had been given incorrect instructions
and was on a collision course with the American flight.
At the last second,
the American pilot had to yank the plane up
and it climbed 700 feet to avoid a potential collision.
Sydney, these are clearly close calls,
terrifyingly close calls,
but none of them produced actual collisions.
And if you fly in America,
you are constantly reminded that our passenger airline system
is the safest in the world and planes don't crash.
They don't fall out of the sky.
And so how worried should we really be
about these close calls that you're describing?
So let's be clear, it is incredibly safe to fly.
The last fatal crash involving a major US airline
occurred 14 years ago in 2009.
But what people are telling us
is that that safety record sort of masks these risks
that we've uncovered, these near collisions are occurring
so frequently that we have people in the aviation industry
warning that we might be on borrowed time here,
that a collision is more likely
than you wanna believe it is.
And so, for example, in the NASA database,
there are some entries from pilots
and I'll read a couple of them if that's okay.
So in one, a longtime airline captain
who'd been involved in a close call,
wrote, honestly, this stuff scares the crap out of me.
And another pilot after being involved in a close call
on a runway in January wrote,
this has really opened my eyes
to how the next aviation accident may play out.
And these kind of warnings are coming
even from federal officials.
So in March, the chairwoman
of the National Transportation Safety Board,
she said, quote, the absence of a fatality or an accident
doesn't mean the presence of safety.
And she went on to say that these close calls
must serve as a wake-up call for every single one of us
before something more catastrophic occurs
before lives are lost.
So Sidney, the inevitable question is,
why is this happening?
Why are there so many close calls occurring
on the ground and in the sky?
That's exactly the question we were asking people
in the aviation industry.
And what they told us was this is emblematic
of a safety system that is under incredible strain.
And this safety system has been under strain for a long time,
but as air traffic starts returning to pre-pandemic levels
as everyone wants to fly,
this is reaching a breaking point.
The safety system is now so strained
that it's reached a full-blown crisis.
We'll be right back.
Sidney, tell us about this safety system
that is clearly under some real strain.
So the safety system that keeps planes and passengers safe
is really interesting.
It's built on layers,
and you can think of these layers
as there's the air traffic control layer,
the people who are guiding the planes
through the skies and into and out of airports.
There are the pilots who are steering these planes
and looking out at the skies around them.
And then you also have technology,
technology on runways and technology on the planes themselves
that alert controllers and pilots to potential collisions.
And in aviation circles,
this safety system is known as the Swiss cheese model.
So think about getting half a pound of Swiss cheese
for your sandwiches at the grocery store,
and you have all these different slices.
If something slips through the hole on one slice,
the odds are that the next slice underneath it,
the holes are not gonna align
and the cheese is gonna stop the thing from slipping
through the rest of the stack of Swiss cheese.
And there are all these redundancies built into the system.
So if one layer fails, the other layers are gonna catch it.
So based on your reporting,
which of these layers is faltering
and leading to these close calls?
So what we found in our reporting
was a lot of these close calls are caused by mistakes
among air traffic controllers and also among pilots.
And what we found was actually the most acute challenge
is the shortage of air traffic controllers across the country.
Okay, so explain that.
Why is there a shortage of air traffic controllers?
And how is that leading to this problem of close calls?
So the shortage in air traffic controllers
has been going on for years,
and it actually dates back to the early 1980s.
Air traffic controllers went on strike illegally.
They're federal employees.
They were not supposed to strike,
and President Reagan fired them.
He fired thousands of them.
And to replenish the ranks,
the government then had to hire new air traffic controllers.
And what this did was it sort of knocked off kilter
the natural cycle of hiring people
and having those people eventually retire at different times.
Instead, what you had was all of these controllers
were hired at once,
and then it created mass waves of retirement.
It gets a little complicated,
but air traffic controllers have to retire by the age of 56,
and they start becoming eligible to retire
after 20 years of service.
And what happened was the FAA
really just couldn't keep up with these mass retirements.
It started falling behind, and then the pandemic hit.
And the pandemic made things just a lot worse.
Why?
So of course you had air traffic controllers
who quit or retired early,
as happened around the country
in lots and lots of different industries,
but it also slowed training.
Training for air traffic controllers takes a while.
It's very intense.
But because of health restrictions,
you couldn't train as many air traffic controllers
as the FAA had to train.
And so you just start falling more and more and more behind.
And at this point, there are something like 10%
fewer fully certified air traffic controllers
than there were a decade ago.
In fact, we analyzed some numbers,
and there are only three air traffic facilities in the country
that are considered fully staffed as of May.
Wow.
Yeah, out of 313.
Sydney, the FAA presumably has had years
to recognize this shortage as a natural extension
of what Ronald Reagan did,
and to find ways to recruit to balance it out.
So why hasn't that happened?
Well, so the truth is that being a controller
is a really, really demanding, difficult job.
It's highly stressful.
They are spending long, long hours staring at planes.
Think about trying to keep planes apart
that you know have passengers on them.
And many controllers work a grueling schedule
called the Rattler, which is essentially rotating shifts
that start earlier and earlier in the day
until you get to the last day of your schedule
where you work two shifts in a 24-hour period.
Wow.
This really messes with their sleep schedules.
And if you don't have enough air traffic controllers,
what ends up happening is many have to work
mandatory six-day work weeks.
They have to work an extra day.
And this is what they say is leading
to a lot of these close calls.
They're just so, so exhausted mentally, physically,
that they can't focus and that the focus required
to be an air traffic controller,
they're just unable to keep for that long.
So what about the pilots?
Why are they as a layer of safety
in the system under strain right now
when it comes to close calls?
So during the pandemic,
you might remember that air traffic tanked.
No one wanted to fly on planes
and airlines started furloughing their pilots
and encouraging their older pilots to retire.
And what happened was these older experienced pilots,
a lot of them did retire and to replenish those ranks,
the major carriers started drying on regional airline pilots
and the experience level in the cockpits decreased.
So if you think about a 16-year-old driver
versus a 45-year-old driver,
the 16-year-old driver is gonna be
more prone to making mistakes.
This is what people in the industry tell us
that on average, the experience level of pilots
is a little lower, they're a little less seasoned.
So they're just more prone to making mistakes.
But according to the Swiss cheese safety model,
if I'm understanding what you told me correctly, Sydney,
an inexperienced pilot shouldn't be a huge problem
if they make an error because the next layer
is supposed to catch them, the air traffic controller.
And even if that air traffic controller
is overstretched or tired,
they should have their error caught by a pilot,
even if they are a little bit less experienced
than in the past, right?
I mean, that's the thinking.
That's right, but what you can see
is if you have less seasoned pilots in the cockpit
and you have overworked, exhausted controllers,
those holes in each layer of the Swiss cheese
are getting bigger and they're more likely to align.
The mistake is gonna slip through both layers.
Take a recent incident in Phoenix
that occurred in early August.
A controller gave an instruction to a pilot
on an American Airlines plane
about the departure route he was supposed to take
after he took off from the runway.
And the pilot repeated the instructions back incorrectly.
The air traffic controller didn't hear
the incorrect read back.
And so the American plane takes off
and instead of turning right, it turns left.
At the same time, a Southwest plane had taken off.
And so this American plane is now turning
into the path of the Southwest plane.
We can 1388 Phoenix departure,
verify four P1 departure.
We actually have the audio
of when another controller realizes what's happening.
1388, traffic alert, nine o'clock,
less than a mile, pulling 737, 3000.
Do you have a traffic in sight?
Yeah, we have a mark at 1388.
It can sound kind of confusing.
The controller is repeating things to the pilot.
The pilots are repeating it back.
I'm sitting right there.
Do you see the traffic?
1388.
But what you really note is the urgency
in the controller's voice.
1286, okay, if you turn left immediately, do so.
He tells the Southwest plane, turn if you need to.
Okay, did you make the turn?
We checked about 30 to the left.
And eventually...
Turn, I'll make sure American turns out of your way here.
So 226...
The planes do start diverging.
They do turn away from each other.
And the original sin in this situation
is kind of a worst case scenario
for this multi-layered system
because you have an error by a pilot
not being caught by that first controller,
a kind of double failure.
Exactly.
And what happened was these planes got so close together,
they got a third of a mile horizontally
and 300 feet vertically to each other,
which with planes going hundreds of miles per hour
is so, so dangerously close.
Okay.
So then Sidney, we get to the next layer
of this safety system, what you call the technology
that is supposed to keep these planes apart.
What's the story there
and why is it potentially contributing to the close calls?
So most importantly, there is technology
that alerts air traffic controllers to potential collisions.
This is surface detection technology,
but the problem there is that it's only
at 43 airports in the country
out of roughly 500 that serve commercial airlines.
Why so few?
So it's very expensive to install millions of dollars
and it's also old.
And the FAA says they're looking for newer technology,
but the result of not having this technology
at so many airports is close calls around runways.
And you can see this for instance in Austin
in the example that I mentioned earlier
involving the FedEx and Southwest planes
that got really close to each other.
Austin doesn't have this service technology.
And that people say is one of the reasons these planes
did get so close to each other
before the FedEx pilot pulled up and avoided a collision.
And then there's another piece of technology
that is really, really important on commercial airlines.
This technology is basically a collision avoidance technology
if two planes are getting too close to each other
or are looking like they're going to get
too close to each other.
This technology blares in the cockpit
and either alerts the pilot to potential traffic
or tells the pilot to climb or descend
if the planes are getting too close to each other.
So Sydney, what is and what can be done
to address all these strains?
Because everything you've told us suggests
that the FAA knows about all these close calls.
So why haven't they done more to try to prevent them?
Well, it really comes down to money.
They would love to be able to hire more controllers
but it costs money.
They want to be able to install more technology on runways
but that also costs money
and they submit budget requests to Congress every year.
But in the end, it's the money that they get.
This is what they would tell us.
But even with these measures
that they are saying they want to take,
people tell us that this is just not enough.
The shortage in air traffic controllers is so severe
that the number of air traffic controllers
that the FAA wants to hire with the money that they have
is not going to solve the problem.
The technology on runways is old
and they need to find new technology.
They say that they are working on that
but that could be yours from being installed.
So there's a lot of frustration right now
among pilots and among air traffic controllers
that they want attention on this.
They want the public to know that close calls are happening
and they want the FAA to do more.
Which makes sense.
And Sydney, what's so interesting and important
about the investigation that you and Emily Steele did
is that it's coming before a deadly tragedy.
So often in journalism we do this kind of reporting
after something terrible happens.
And here you're finding that people are trying
to ring the alarms and are ringing the alarms before
and in anticipation of a tragedy.
Which means that there is really an opportunity
to prevent something awful from happening.
Yeah, there is an opportunity here.
But what a lot of people we talked to said was
they are worried that nothing is going to happen
or that the FAA is not going to do enough.
There's this sort of very, very cynical take
which is that the FAA in some circles
is known as the Tombstone Agency.
That is, they won't do anything
until something catastrophic does occur,
until people do die.
The people we talk to say there really is no excuse
for the FAA not to do something
before one of these close calls leads to a fatal crash.
Sydney, thank you very much, we appreciate it.
Thank you, Michael.
We'll be right back.
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A Times investigation found that U.S. passenger planes come dangerously close to crashing into each other far more frequently than the public knows.
Sydney Ember, an economics reporter for The Times, explains why an aviation system known for its safety is producing such a steady stream of close calls.
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