Honestly with Bari Weiss: New York City Mayor Eric Adams

Now Eric, listen, your team said you have literally a hard out in 24 minutes, but

you're six minutes late, so I'm taking those six minutes back. Sounds like a

plan. Okay, great. Are we ready? Yes, we are. I'm Barry Weiss, and this is

honestly. New York City has had a rough few years. New numbers from the

Census Bureau show a decline in New York's population. It lost nearly 4% of

its population during COVID. Well, New Yorkers are on edge as violent crime

throughout the city's subway system reaches new highs. Three subway murders

have been recorded. There was a historic crime search, particularly violent crime,

that terrorized New Yorkers in formerly safe places like the subway. It's a

great city, but crime is increasing. The cost of living is increasing in these

buildings. Nobody works in them anymore. They're empty. Pundits all over the world

declared the greatest city in the world was on life support or maybe already

dead.

And into the breach last year, stepped a new mayor, Eric Adams. I, Eric Adams, do

solemnly swear, do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution, that I

will support the Constitution of the United States, of the United States, the

Constitution of the state of New York, the Constitution of the state of New

York and the charter of the city and the charter of the city. Adams is the kid

raised in a rat-infested tenement in Bushwick, who was beaten up by police as

a teen and who became ultimately a New York City cop. He's tough on crime, but

also critical of police brutality and racism in the criminal justice system.

He's a health nut who meditates daily and published a plant-based diet book, but

who also likes to go out on the town most nights. And above all else, he is a

tried-and-true New Yorker. He is a guy that simply exudes New York City.

The last two years have trapped our spirit and is begging to be let out. We

have been stifled. We have been asleep. But we are a city of nine million dreams

and we're about to wake up.

Adams was elected on a promise not just of bringing back New York, but of

reviving an old kind of Democrat that today feels something like an endangered

species. Practical, no bullshit type of politician. As one congressman put it,

he's an antidote to the party's likability problem. A year in, the

question is this. Has Eric Adams lived up to the hype? It's a bit hard to know

what he thinks because he's quite famously evaded the press since he took

office. He doesn't have a regular radio appearance to take questions from the

public like many of his predecessors did, and he hasn't held an open town hall in

his year in office. But for whatever reason, today he agreed to sit down with

me. On today's show, 30 minutes with New York City Mayor Eric Adams. Has he

fulfilled his promise to make New York City safer? How will he address the

massive setbacks in New York City public schools that happen during school

shutdowns? Does New York City risk becoming like San Francisco? What does he

really think of AOC? And is his brand of politics winnable nationally for the

Democrats? Those questions and more after the break. Stay with us.

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Mayor Eric Adams, welcome to honestly. Thank you. Thank you. Interesting name, you

know, honestly, you know, that's such so important nowadays to be honest without

being demonized. It's hard to do. Yes, it is. But we're trying hard. Okay, 30 minutes

with you. So let's get right to it. Mayor Adams, I opened Twitter a few days

ago and I saw a thread from a reporter named Jane Ferguson who works at PBS

NewsHour. She said it's 6.30 p.m. the night before. She was assaulted on the

subway and this is what she wrote. A man walked up to me in busy rush hour car

and punched me hard on the side of my face. I kneeled down on the floor in

shock and steadied myself, unsure of what had just happened. My ear was ringing

and my face was on fire. Now the silver lining of Jane Ferguson's story is that

another woman helped her and that's always been my experience in New York.

New Yorkers are the best people in the country, despite their reputation. But

this experience that she released typifies what a lot of people in New

York have been experiencing over the past few years, which is shocking,

unexpected, random daylight violence in places that were previously perceived as

safe like the subway or Starbucks. You won the mayoral race in 2021 because you

ran as a former cop promising in a moment where it was chic to talk about

defunding the police to clean up New York and make it safe again. Have you

fulfilled on that promise? We are on the road to that promise, but let's break

down what you just stated because it's so important. She should not have been

assaulted in that manner and there are levels that you will see why I am

responding the way I am. It's obvious this person was dealing with some type

of mental health illness and probably a severe one and so when I moved to

remove those who are dealing with severe mental health illnesses off our

subway system, 4,000 people around 1,200 are still in care. I got pushback from

people who thought we were being inhumane, but I knew it was the right thing to do.

We should not wait until someone commits a violent act before we act and you know

when you look at Rikers Island, close to 40% of the people there have mental

health illness, 18% severe mental health illness because we waited until they

responded. But at the same time, we have to be real honest, the overwhelming of

New Yorkers, that is not their experience. We topped out about 10 days ago with

3.9 million writers. We have an average of six felonies a day on our subway

system. It horrifies us when we read about these cases because it plays on

our psyche. But the customer satisfactory surveys have gone up. We did two levels

of subway safety plans. We're seeing a decrease in crimes on our subway system.

Our police officers are there, but it's no consolation when you're struck like

that and so I don't want to downplay it, but I know we're moving in the right

direction. I moved out of New York along with some 350,000 other New Yorkers

during the pandemic. Now, I left because my wife is a sixth generation

Californian and I never would have left if it wasn't for her, so I don't want

you to think I'm disloyal. But my friends who are still there and most of them

are still there, tell me that Tompkins Square Park and parts of Washington

Square Park have been completely overtaken by drug addicts and they say

that it reminds them of the Tenderloin in San Francisco, a place that's

unlike any I've seen in any American city. Are you worried that New York could

become the next San Francisco or the next Los Angeles or is that an overblown

fear? No, I'm not worried because the mayor is Eric Adams and you saw what I

did last year. January, February, I went into the streets late at night when I

got elected, did not have my security detail in many occasions, went into the

tents, the encampments, spoke to people who are living there. You know what I saw?

I saw drug paraphernalia, human waste, people have schizophrenic, bipolar,

stale food, unkempt, and I came out and told my team we're not going to sit back

and watch this happen. I've been in San Francisco, I've been in Los Angeles, I've

been in other places where they're trying hard to deal with this issue, but I

was taking a new approach and a different approach. Engagement. We went after

those who were living on our streets. You're not seeing that overproliferation

of tents and encampments in this city and places like Tompkins Square Park. We've

done several initiatives. We got the loudest and the most organized pushback

and attack me, said I was inhumane. No, let me tell you what's been inhumane.

Allowing people to live in that condition when they can't make decisions

on their own and I refuse to do so and you saw what we've done. 5,000

encampments were cleaned up on the street. We gave people care. We gave them

options to care and that is the humane way to do it and so this will never

become like San Francisco as long as I'm the mayor of this city and with the

agencies that I've given clear instructions to. In his State of the

Union address this year, Joe Biden's big headline-making line was when he said

it's time to refund the police. Got a big applause. It's what everyone was

talking about. Was that basically the Democratic Party or the leadership of

the Democratic Party, admitting that it let things go too far and that the talk,

at least on the progressive wing of the party, about defunding or abolishing the

police was foolish and has actually made the poorest Americans more vulnerable?

Did you see that as a watershed moment? Yes, I did but I also felt that that was

the second level of the watershed moment. The real watershed moment happened when

I won the Democratic primary and then won the election in November. My

statement was clear. Unlike so many who were running, talking about defunding and

even in some cases in the country, disbanding and I refuse to succumb to

the philosophical approach to public safety. We had to do intervention,

prevention. Public safety is the prerequisite to prosperity and we could

have it with justice. I committed my life to doing that and I think the

president is the blue collar mayor, a blue collar president. I'm a blue collar

mayor but let's be clear of something. It was not the progressive wing of our

party. It was the far left wing of our party who are smaller in number, louder

in voice and that live for the most part on social media and they believe they

can govern through a tweet instead of governing on the streets as I like to

say. The overwhelming number of Democrats had a clear practice in funding

police departments, knowing that it impacts communities of color the most

when you have high level of crime. I believe that too many of the tabloids

played into the far left of our party and did not listen to the everyday

Democrats who understood there's a balance with public safety and justice.

When you talk about governing through a tweet, it makes me think about AOC. Is

that who you're thinking of when you say that? No, no, not at all. You know, I

sat down, I had dinner this weekend with Congresswoman Kaseo Cortez and we had a

very engaging conversation. I believe there are those in this country, not

only those who are elected but those who have never done anything for anyone but

themselves and they just find moments to come up with extreme ideas to

govern a complex country where we should be engaging in conversation and not

condemnation. AOC this month said this, we have militarized the city while

underinvesting in the youth opportunities that actually keep young

people employed and prosperous and family supported. We've militarized the

city and we don't even have housing. Militarized the city, what's she talking

about? How do you respond to that kind of criticism? You don't. You show

exactly what you have done. Advocates have been asking for years to get 75,000

summer youth jobs. You know what? We did even better. We got a hundred thousand.

They've been advocating to keep our schools open. We did summarizing through

the summer months after the decrease in learning opportunities for our children.

We're the first administration to do dyslexia screening because our jail

system here in New York, 40 to 50 percent of our inmates are dyslexic and so we're

screening not only those in school but we're screening those who are

incarcerated. Our investment in foster care children is unprecedented, paying

15,000 a year for their college and giving them a stipend and continuing their

support. So when you do an analysis of what we have done, public safety and

using police is the least of the way we're responding. There's never been a

mayor like me that understands how we must go upstream and not pull people out

of the river downstream and so I respond to all of that by my actions and you

know history and current state is going to show how reflective I am and how

strong our policies are. Mayor it's always struck me as strange that the

notion of being tough on crime is perceived as a conservative position

when the people who are most harmed by crime are poor and minority communities

not the people that live in high-rises with doorman buildings who can

afford to go to the Hamptons if the city goes south. How did it become the

democratic position to be quote soft on crime? Why is it a conservative position

to be otherwise? Well you know what Barry I think what has happened is that the

Democrats have allowed people to hijack their message. It was the Democrats that

invested in a lot of the crime prevention tactics, supporting police

department, tough on gun laws, looking to do bans on difficult and dangerous guns

that we're seeing. It's a democratic that wanted to push against what we saw

play out in Nashville in Florida. That's what we've always had. We've allowed

ourselves to be embarrassed to state supporting police means that you don't

support justice at the same time. I refuse to do that. I refuse to succumb to

those that believe you have to decouple public safety and justice. They go

together. In fact they must coexist for us to properly keep our city safe and

when you look at who's impacted it is not those philosophical leaders that sit

in their comfort and safe places. It is those who are in the poorer community,

immigrant community, black and brown communities. They're the victims of some

of this egregious violence that you're seeing. You're a former New York City

police officer and captain. Do you think the criminal justice system, broadly

speaking, is getting more or less racist? I think that it has continued to be more

racist the criminal justice system in a manner in which people probably don't

even analyze. When you look at the fact the long period of time that black and

brown and young people are kept in the system even when they are being charged

with a particular crime and how long it takes to get justice for those who have

overwhelmingly black and brown who are the victims of crimes. So that racism I

believe plays on both ends of the spectrum. Those who are victims and

those who participate in criminal behavior and because there's a lack of

urgency to really resolve number one to give people justice and number

two, believe it or not, to fix the problems that's the feeder of crime. I

can't help to believe that if the overwhelming number of people at Rikers

Island were not black and brown that we would not have dealt with dyslexia

long ago, that we would have not dealt with mental health issues long ago. So

when you look at what's downstream of 48% of people mental health issues, 40%

dyslexia, 80% don't have a high school diploma or equivalency diploma. When you

start to add it all up, you're asking yourself how did we allow this level of

neglect and repeated generational issues that are facing people and I think

because the victims that we're pulling out at a river downstream are black,

brown and poor. Police data shows mayor that anti-Semitic hate crimes in New

York City more than doubled over the last two years and 64% of those victims

were Orthodox, visibly Jewish through what they wear. It's not just New York of

course, these numbers mirror nationwide trends but New York has the largest

Jewish community in the world as you know outside of Israel and arguably to be a

Jew, a visible Jew in Brooklyn has meant to be vulnerable. For many years now

Jews in European cities like Paris for their safety take off their yarmulke in

public. I know many of these people. Now you have a famously good relationship

with the Hasidic Jewish community in Brooklyn and I wonder what's your message

to them to Jews who are afraid of being seen as Jewish on the streets of

your city? You know it's so important what you just stated. You did something

that not many people touch on and that is when someone attacked a Hasidic

person is because they're visibly Jewish or someone attacks someone that

wears a yarmulke, they're visibly Jewish. They're not only attacking that

individual, they're attacking every Jewish person in the city. That's the

symbol that they are attacking and it breaks my heart when I sit down with

many of my Jewish colleagues and friends and they talk about when I ride of my

car, walk the streets or go to the synagogue, I take off my yarmulke because

I'm afraid of being attacked. Now here in the city we have a 50% decrease in hate

crimes across the board but we need to go further and there's certain things I

think we need to do. There needs to be a no plea bargaining rule. We should not

downgrade crimes when someone is arrested for a hate crime and I think we

need to aggressively pursue that. Second, we have to do what those who marched

with Dr. King, we knew the bonds during that era. We knew the bonds during my

generation, my relationship with the JCRC and others but we didn't continue

that for the next generation. Our next generation has been sucked into social

media where anti-Semitism is systemic and widespread. So we must do what the

previous generations have done. That's why I'm doing something called breaking

bread, building bonds, a thousand dinners across the city, ten people at each dinner

all coming from a different ethnic and religious and cultural background and

they're doing something revolutionary. They're talking to each other. They're

using the lubricating value of food to sit down and leave our comfort zone and

lean into the beauty of discomfort of learning from each other because we have

to police this issue but we also have to educate this issue and far too many

people are being educated on the hate that you're seeing on social media and

what you're seeing as some celebrities are doing. Celebrities like Kanye? Yes,

it's wrong what Kanye has done and they're using the pain that people are

experiencing to displace it and find someone to hate because of it.

Earlier this month you announced a new mental health initiative which among

things like opening new community centers and increasing the number of

mental health street team professionals will expand New York City's program to

send more mental health professionals in police of police officers when there is

a specific mental health 911 call. Are social workers adequately prepared to

deal with situations that might involve violence or physical force and how do

you determine that? A great question and here's what people must understand when

it comes down to dealing with an individual who is dealing with severe

mental health illnesses and is armed and dangerous. The situation can turn

instantly and whomever is subscribing to the belief that every time a person is

called a city's service or city employees called to respond to a mental

health issue that you could send a social worker in every situation they are

wrong. I've responded to people who are dealing with severe mental health

crises and it can change instantly like we saw in the Bronx when an individual

pulled down a knife and ran towards the police officers. That's how quick it could

happen. We must have the right balance of the situations where we can send

mental health professionals or as a team of police and mental health

professionals we should do so but whenever it's dealing with imminent

threat to life to the individual or others I'm going to make sure I have the

proper well-trained law enforcement who know how to subdue someone but also know

how to de-escalate a situation and that's what our new plan is. Our new plan the

second wave of our mental health approach is to deal with our young people

who are experiencing some serious mental health issues after the pandemic to

deal with those who are dealing with substance abuse and to deal with those

who are having severe mental health illnesses and we're going to deal with

all three levels. We're now seeing the unintended and devastating after effects

of COVID lockdowns especially among children and teenagers. Children are

behind academically across the country American math scores showed the largest

drop ever recorded and also developmentally with students suffering

from unprecedented levels of anxiety depression and so on and these of course

are the most pronounced for poor and minority students who attend the most

under-resourced schools. If we could go back in time three years ago was it a

mistake to close down our public schools? No it was not it was not a mistake to

close it down. I believe the previous administration made a very smart decision

and let's remember I was out in the streets every day when COVID was at its

peak. I moved into Borough Hall placed the mattress on the floor so I would not

in any way pass the virus to my family members because I was in NYCHA

developments our public housing I was going to the hospitals and I knew the

severity of what we were dealing with. I saw it firsthand we had morgues I

saw every hospital if we didn't stymie the spread of we could have lost more

lives and we could have really impacted and overwhelmed our health care system

it was a smart decision but I knew back when I was borough president prior to

COVID hitting our city we had to start thinking differently about education and

coming up with this real first-class remote learning tool. Too many of our

communities did not have high-speed broadband didn't have access to the

internet that's something that we are turning around here in this

administration by ensuring a Big Apple Connect we're going into all of our

public housing every public housing resident will have free internet

connection but we now must be prepared and think differently about education

that's why we kept many of our schools open over the summer month there's no

reason we know we have to catch up we should think about suspending those two

months off every year during the summer months we need to somehow supplement

the education laws that our children have experienced. One of the key battles

that's constantly roiling in New York City is the battle over whether or not

schools like Stuyvesant and Brogd Science high achieving elite public prep

schools that admit students based on a test should scrap that test because it's

not leading to quote equitable outcomes those in favor of dropping the test

including your predecessor Bill de Blasio point to the fact that the number of

black and Latino students at these schools has been dropping for example in

2021 only eight black students were admitted to Stuyvesant in a class of

about 800 you have said that you're gonna keep admissions as they are

despite the protests of some in your party I wonder why and why do you think

schools like Stuyvesant and Brogd Science are important. Let's think about

this for a moment our answer to black and brown children not reaching

proficiency is to cut off places where people have reached proficiency I have

a better response why not have black and brown children reach proficiency why

do we have a school system where we're spending over 30 billion dollars and 65

percent of black and brown children don't reach proficiency in math and

English every year so our answer to that is say okay accelerated learners we're

going to close down accelerated learning opportunities because we did a

terrible job with those who don't reach proficiency so let's leave the eight

schools alone only eight it has sucked out all the oxygen out of the room let's

deal with the 90 something percent of students that are not keeping pace let's

open up five more schools have a combination of what it takes to be

admitted in the schools it could be of people learn differently if you're

dyslexic you may not be good at taking a test but you have other ways of

balancing out I know that because I'm dyslexic and so what we are failing to

do is look at all the opportunities to help accelerated learners use all of

their creativity and a test is not one way a test is good for some students but

some students have different ways of expressing their gifts and their talents

and that's what we must lean into the community that feels most threatened by

the prospect of ending merit-based admissions and doing away with grades

and test scores are New York's Asian-American Stuyvesants about 70

percent Asian and one of the things that has surprised me and many people is

that Asians in New York City who have historically voted for Democrats are now

trending Republican in many of their neighborhoods what's your message to

those voters well you know I did extremely well with the AAPI community

the Chinese community and others and listen their concern was around public

safety and education those were two driving issue for those communities and

we need to hear them and not ignore them and not interpret their pain when

someone is hurting don't tell them they're not hurting learn while they are

hurting and assist them over that pain and that is what I am attempting to do

with all of my communities in the city in general but specifically with my

Asian community they were concerned about these specialized high schools as we

call them they were concerned how they were being treated and they were

extremely concerned about public safety issues we saw at that time an increase in

hate crimes towards Asian particularly our older Asian Americans and those who

are here and we need to zero in and focus on that and ensure that we keep our

brothers and sisters from the Asian community as part of the Democratic

Party because they are part of that big tent in the past mayor you've called

yourself the new face of the Democratic Party what does that mean what is the

vision of the Democratic Party that you think you embody and why do you think

it's a winning one well first of all it's not allowing ourselves to be pigeon

whole because we feel differently about certain topics you know there's this

litmus test of the perfect people try to attach to everyone I'm perfectly in

perfect because we are perfectly imperfect as human beings and Democrats

just no longer try to believe they must line up and check every box on every

issue if you're a Democrat and you believe in specialized high school the

tent is big enough to fit you inside there if you're a Democrat and you

believe in any of these other difficult topics the tent is big enough for us all

we don't have to line up according to this imaginary criteria that someone

created and define who we should be as Democrats I think that's the face of the

Democratic Party that's where the overwhelming number of Democrats are

they understand that we are diverse in our thoughts and our ideas and our

likes and our dislikes and we should not be afraid to articulate them we

should be honestly communicative on how we feel about these topics after the

break a lightning round with Mayor Adams stay with us

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okay mayor Eric Adams are you ready for a quick lightning round always ready

for lightning what's your favorite New York City Museum it has to be the

Brooklyn Museum or for Eastern Parkway love it favorite jazz club there's a

number of it blue note I love the owner and it's a good small tight spot how do

you feel about the comedy seller love the comedy sell seller whenever I'm

down and feel like I need a boost I go there and get some great labs best vegan

ice cream if such a thing exists I make my own believe it or not frozen

bananas avocado a little peppermint and just a real touch of dates inside freeze

it then I have a ice cream maker you turn it slowly and it is the bomb veggie

burger of choice I make my own again I use lentils mushrooms I don't like the

other veggie burgers that are out on the market east side or west side no side

I'm Brooklyn best song about New York oh my favorite plays I played every

morning you know Frank Sinatra's rendition of New York that's my theme

song all right fill in the blank Rudy Giuliani is hurtful Randy Wine

Garten is smart Eva Moskowitz is dedicated

wokeness is something we need to never have gone to sleep AOC is trying to

define what she wants to do with the country and I look forward to her vision

as well as mine Alvin Bragg committed dedicated Donald Trump troubling Bill

de Blasio committed to what he was doing people have called you the nightlife

mayor and the mayor that never sleeps I'm not gonna ask you about what you do

between five and nine but I want to know this how many hours of sleep do you

actually get every night roughly about four hours asleep but I'm also still

like a child I like my naps every once in a while there are people around you

who believe you could be the next president of the United States I'm

hearing a lot of scuttle butt over the past few weeks is there anything to that

listen you can run the country from New York City this is the greatest job in

politics on the globe and you could help people that's why I love it helping

everyday people you grew up famously in a rat infested tenement in Bushwick you

were so poor that you reportedly brought a bag of clothes to school in case of a

sudden eviction how does your upbringing shape the way that you govern you know

it's powerful I am fighting for those who are living the life that I lived and

I think about that every day when I did the dyslexia screening is because I'm

dyslexic when I talk about homelessness is because we lived on our

relatives floors until mommy was able to stabilize us when I think about police

brutality I think about when I was beat by police officers every part of my

policy is attached to the life that I live we betrayed New Yorkers and we

betrayed Americans my goal is to end those betrayals mayor Eric Adams I think

we're coming in just under 30 minutes now you can get off into your black car

and so well where you headed next got a bunch of events this evening and you

know don't forget them I have a metro car too okay mayor Eric Adams thank you

so much for making the time thank you take care good to speak with you start

spreading the news I'm leaving today I recorded this conversation with mayor

Adams a few days before Manhattan DA Alvin Brad announced the unprecedented

historic indictment of former president Donald Trump I emailed the mayor to

follow up to ask his thoughts about the indictment and he only said this through

a spokesman the mayor is in constant contact with Commissioner Sewell about

all public safety issues affecting the city the NYPD continues to monitor

all activity and there are no credible threats to the city at this time as always

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