Global News Podcast: Macron calls for a Chinese role in ending the war in Ukraine

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France's president says China could play a major role in ending the war in Ukraine.

Ukraine's president Zelensky has been welcomed with military honors in Poland.

The 92-year-old billionaire Rupert Murdoch calls off his engagement.

Also in this podcast, not just Queen Consort anymore, but Queen Camilla.

That's how the wife of King Charles III will now be known.

When the Chinese leader Xi Jinping visited Moscow last month, it raised fears that Beijing might

give military aid to Russia in its war against Ukraine.

But it also raised hopes that given the close personal ties between Mr Xi and the Russian

leader Vladimir Putin, that China could make a positive intervention to help bring peace to Ukraine.

Now the French president Emmanuel Macron, at the start of his own state visit to China,

has said Beijing could wield its influence to help end the war.

The war led by Russia and Ukraine has profoundly affected the international order that we have

known since 1945. And this war, which I have repeatedly described as imperialist and colonial,

has violated many of the principles of the United Nations Charter,

which we two permanent members of the Security Council must resolutely defend.

So China, precisely because of its close relationship with Russia,

which has been reaffirmed in recent days, can play a major role.

Mr Macron is being accompanied by the head of the European Commission, Ursula von

de Leyen, to signify European unity. So can the French leader, who failed in his diplomatic

efforts to stop Vladimir Putin launching all-out war on Ukraine, succeed in persuading Beijing

to stop siding with Russia and instead put pressure on it to end the war in Ukraine?

It's a question I put to our Asia Pacific editor, Michael Risto.

Well, in some respects, he's pushing an open door because over recent weeks,

China has indeed positioned itself as an honest broker, a big country able to negotiate some kind

of peace deal with the war in Ukraine. Beijing issued a 12-point plan a couple of weeks ago

and also last month, President Xi Jinping of China visited Moscow. He held talks with

President Putin of Russia. There's also talk that Xi Jinping will have a telephone conversation

with President Zelensky of Ukraine. So there's a lot of diplomatic activity by China,

but that's really not the most important question. The most important question is

whether or not China is an honest broker in this. And lots of people in the West,

lots of leaders in the West believe it just simply isn't. It's already essentially leaning

towards Russia. It's failed to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It's bought oil,

other natural resources from Russia in the last year. It's even increased what it's bought from

there. It hasn't really done anything to condemn what Russia has done. So many people are saying,

look, can it really negotiate a peace deal while she's leaning to one side?

And Mr Macron's also got a big focus on trade during this visit.

Yes, he also was speaking in that first few comments he made when he arrived in Beijing,

he was also talking about business. He used an interesting word, actually, he said,

we shouldn't, Europe shouldn't disassociate itself from China. And in many respects,

that's an obvious thing to say because China and the EU do hundreds of billions of dollars

worth of trade every year. But I think it's also a nod to China's relationship with the United

States. There's lots of talk about that relationship being decoupled. I think what President Macron

is saying that Europe shouldn't do the same. Michael Bristow. At the same time as Ukraine is

being discussed in Beijing, its leader, Vladimir Zelensky, has arrived in Poland just a day after

Finland became the 31st country to join NATO, a decision prompted by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Mr Zelensky was welcomed with military honors at the Presidential Palace in Warsaw.

Poland, a NATO member itself, has been one of Ukraine's closest and most important allies,

taking in hundreds of thousands of refugees and sending large amounts of military support,

including hundreds of tanks, as well as becoming the first country to send fighter jets to Ukraine.

The two countries' presidents held a news conference in Warsaw. Our correspondent there,

Adam Easton, was listening. Well, he mentioned the fighter jets. The Polish president,

Andrzej Duda, said that Poland has now sent eight, that's double the amount of MiG jets, MiG-29 jets,

which the Ukrainian military already uses, so it doesn't need additional training for that. And he

said that a further six were being repaired and they would be sent in the future. So Poland's

really much, very much in the sort of vanguard of trying to ramp up the quality and quantity of

military support to Ukraine. He also said that we support Ukraine and we will continue to support

Ukraine, and that Poland will urge its NATO allies to give even more military support to

the Ukrainian military at the NATO summit in Vilnius in July. President Zelenski, for his part,

thanked Poland for being what he called a true friend of the ages. He said we cannot forget and

we're above all grateful to ordinary Poles, those who opened their homes to put up Ukrainian

refugees in their own homes. Hundreds of thousands of Polish families did that and

some continue to do so. And he said we bow low to you for that humane response to our crisis.

He also said that Poland should be involved in the future reconstruction of Ukraine

after the war has ended, and that is something that President Zelenski will be speaking further

when he meets the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki in a few minutes. There's expected

to be some sort of agreement concluded about Polish companies being involved in that reconstruction.

But amid all the warm words, there's also been some controversy over Polish farmers

protesting over cheap Ukrainian grain. Yeah, Polish farmers are definitely not happy. This

is more of a problem for the Polish government rather than affecting Polish-Ukrainian relations.

If you remember, Ukraine exports a lot of grain to Africa, the Middle East, and it usually did so

via its Black Sea ports, which have been blockaded by Russia. So it had to turn to the land route

across Poland and across Romania, its EU neighbors, to try and get that grain out to Africa and the

Middle East where it's badly needed. Unfortunately, in Poland, 3 million tons of that grain, which

was supposed to go to those regions of the world, has remained in Poland, and that's partly because

of transport infrastructure bottlenecks and also because Polish animal feed producers have been

buying it up because it's actually cheaper than Polish grain, and that's sent Polish grain prices

plummeting, really upsetting the Polish farmers.

Adam Easton in Poland. Now to Jerusalem.

The sound of clashes at the Al Aqsa Mosque compound, a site holy to both Jews and Muslims.

More than 350 worshipers were arrested by Israeli police who say stones were thrown at them and

fireworks set off by the worshipers who barricaded themselves inside the mosque after hearing reports

that extremist Jews were planning to sacrifice a goat there for Passover. It coincides this year

with the holy Muslim month of Ramadan. Bemi Abbas was one of those inside Al Aqsa.

In the yards to the eastern part of the compound, the police were firing tear gas and stun grenades.

It was a scene that I can't describe. Then the police stormed in and started beating everyone

and they detained people, putting young people on their fronts with their faces to the ground.

They also beat them while in detention. There were similar clashes two years ago in this contested

compound which set off a 10 day war with Gaza. A correspondent in Jerusalem, Lucy Williamson,

told us more about the latest violence. The Israeli police say they went into the mosque

in the early hours of this morning to clear it after a group of Palestinians had barricaded

themselves inside and you heard some of the sound effects there. I mean we've seen video footage of

fireworks exploding towards the Israeli police officers, also other footage we've seen of

the police officers beating people inside the mosque with battens, even with their weapons,

arresting 350 up to 500 of them and some light injuries as well, about 14 Palestinians

lightly injured in that. We've seen these sorts of scenes in Al Aqsa Mosque. The risk is that it

sparks something wider here and we've already seen rockets overnight fired from Gaza towards

Israel. No injuries reported there. Israeli Air Force have also responded by carrying out

airstrikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. Things have quietened down here at the moment

but we are at the beginning of a week where the Jewish holiday of Passover coincides with

the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and so security forces are very aware of the risk of any

conflagration that that might happen as a result of incidents particularly around

that holy site in here in East Jerusalem. A very holy site to both the Jews and Muslims and this

all comes against the background of much escalated violence in Israel and the occupied West Bank.

We've seen dozens of Palestinians killed and about 15 Israelis so there is already heightened

violence in the region and so that's the background to this isn't it? That's it and I think when it

comes to this holy site it's so carefully managed. The balance is delicately held between Muslims who

are allowed to go and pray in the Al Aqsa Mosque and on the Temple Mount Harama Sharif as they call it

and Jews who are allowed to pray at the Wailing Wall and who can visit the Temple Mount but can't

carry out any religious activities there and during Passover there is a Jewish fringe activist

routinely called for religious activities to be carried out on Temple Mount to prove a point for

example taking up a lamb for ritual slaughter that's seen as something that would be very inflammatory

were it allowed to happen but security forces at the moment are saying that no animals are allowed

to be brought up up there and government ministers including the national security minister Tamar

Ben-Govir who in the past has been criticized for his stance over the issue of Temple Mount he has

said also that while Jews should be visiting that site during this this period they should not be

sacrificing animals up there. Lucy Williamson the billionaire media mogul Rupert Meroc is reported

to have called off his engagement to the conservative radio host Anne Leslie Smith it would have been

the 92 year old's fifth marriage as Stephanie Prentice explains his engagement to the twice

married 66 year old caused quite a stir when it was announced a couple of weeks ago. So this

engagement got a lot of attention as their relationship from the very start was described

as a whirlwind romance it really sparked people's interest the couple were first picked together

on a beach in Barbados back in January and by March they were engaged with Rupert telling his

publication The New York Post I was very nervous I dreaded falling in love but I knew this would

be my last it better be I'm happy and his bride to be called their meeting a gift from God.

Now he proposed with what's estimated to be an 11 carat diamond ring and that was estimated to be

worth 2.5 million dollars so the love story got a lot of headlines and people were very interested

in all of the details. Absolutely they were very very fascinated by them and I suppose the big

question now is what went wrong. Well absolutely now we do know that Anne Leslie Smith became a

conservative radio host later in her career and she espoused us quite rigid evangelical views now

some source have pointed to this as the cause of the rift or some sort of split saying Rupert

Murdoch was uncomfortable with some of the things she was saying and describing her as outspoken

there have also been reports that Anne was uncomfortable with all the media attention she

was getting throughout this engagement but as yet we wait there's been no formal statement

and no explanation for this seemingly abrupt about turn. Stephanie Prentice New Zealand's former

prime minister Jacinda Ardern has given an emotional farewell speech to parliament many were stunned

when she announced in January that she was stepping down to pursue a life outside politics

but in her speech to MPs she said that there was much she was proud of in her career. Now I cannot

determine what will define my time in this place but I do hope I've demonstrated something else

entirely that you can be anxious sensitive kind and wear your heart on your sleeve you can be a

mother or not you can be an ex-mormon or not you can be a nerd a crier a hugger you can be all of

these things and not only can you be here you can lead just like me. Ms Ardern was the world's

youngest female head of government when she was elected in 2017 and she was only the second leader

to give birth while in office. Our correspondent Phil Mercer reflects on her legacy. Well in January

when Jacinda Ardern said that she was exhausted she had nothing left in the tank and that she

would be resigning there was a sense of dismay among many New Zealanders however you have to

remember that certainly in the last year of her position as prime minister her popularity domestically

had started to wane inflation was rising the cost of living crisis was biting into the family

budgets of many Kiwis crime rates were also increasing and there were contentious water

reforms as well so pulling the plug after five years as prime minister was a surprise to many

New Zealanders but we really got the sense that Jacinda Ardern simply ran out of gas that she no

longer had the energy or the enthusiasm for the top job and you have to remember that New Zealand

has a general election in October of this year so Jacinda Ardern deciding to quit in January

giving the new man in charge Chris Hipkins a fair run to try to win that election but for now

Jacinda Ardern is looking forward to new roles trying to combat violent extremism online she's

also a board member of a new environmental price set up by Prince William so it's politics in the

rear view mirror for Jacinda Ardern but many opportunities lie ahead. Phil Mercer

still to come on this podcast how a pole dance performance in a church resulted in death threats.

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In its latest attempt to banish a female presence from all fears of public life the Taliban has

barred Afghan women from working for the United Nations. The UN says the Taliban informed them

verbally but has not issued an official order in writing. In response the UN has told all of its

Afghan employees men as well as women not to report for work for 48 hours until it's met

with the Taliban to clarify what is going on. This report from our South Asia correspondent Yigita

Limoye. The United Nations has said it's been verbally told that the Taliban's top leadership

has ordered a ban on Afghan female staff from working in the organisation. This move means

that the bar on women working for all NGOs except for those in the health sector announced in

December last year now includes the UN. The body had earlier been exempted from the rule. Women

working in public health are expected to still be allowed to continue to do their jobs as long

as they are in health facilities and not in offices. The UN has said the order is unacceptable

and will undermine the ability of aid organisations to reach those in need. In Nangarhar province

the UN says the Taliban have already started preventing women from going to work at their

facilities. The UN is meeting with Taliban leaders to seek clarity on the order

and until then have told all Afghan staff to not attend work. If implemented the ban would be a

significant test of the future of UN operations in Afghanistan and relations between the body

and the Taliban government. Yigita Limoye. A lack of rain in recent years has meant that the northeast

of Spain is seeing its worst drought on record. This has led to a series of strict measures

being taken to ensure that the area's water supply is not exhausted. It's also added to

concerns about the impact on food supplies in Europe. Guy Hedgeko reports from Catalonia.

I'm walking along the parched banks of the Sao reservoir which for the last half century or so

has supplied water to millions of Catalans but lack of rain has caused the reservoir's water

level to plummet to less than a tenth of its capacity. And up ahead of me is an abandoned

church, the church of Sao Romain, which used to be entirely covered by the water of this reservoir

but in recent months the whole building has become visible above the water line because

of the drought that this area is suffering. The remaining water is now being drained completely

and it's pouring downstream to another reservoir to prevent it from being contaminated by silt.

Meanwhile teams are hauling fish out of the water to stop them from rotting there when they die.

This we also say that in Catalonia it doesn't know how to rain because sometimes it rains too

much and we have floodings but sometimes it doesn't drain nothing and we have to draw.

Samuel Reyes is director of the Catalan region's water agency. He says this is the worst drought

on record in this part of Spain. It's been two and a half years without sustained rainfall

and the outlook isn't good. We think that this year it's going to be completely different and

it's going to last still maybe one more year but also I think that the Mediterranean climate

it's kind of complicated to predict because it seems that tomorrow it's going to rain and then

disappear or it's going to rain in March and it doesn't you know it's it's kind of difficult.

I'm in Barcelona the bustling Catalan capital where the drought is also having an impact

as well as in surrounding towns and cities. Now the local government has introduced restrictions

on day-to-day water use here in Barcelona as well as in many other places. That includes

restrictions on washing cars, watering gardens, even cleaning streets and ornamental fountains

have also been switched off because of the drought. Use of water for heavy industry has been cut by

15% in the Barcelona area but it's farming which has arguably been most affected by the new restrictions

with a 40% reduction in the use of water for agriculture.

On this farm near Barcelona workers pour harvested artichokes into a bucket to be taken away.

Agustín Garcia Segovia who farms this land and blames the drought firmly on climate change is worried.

The lack of water for our crops is having an impact. We haven't had this problem since 2008

and in that year it was seasonal it lasted three months or so but now it looks as if this drought

is never going to end. Farmers warn that the shortage of their products caused by drought

will push up food prices across Europe. In the market in Barcelona vendors are also concerned.

The lack of water means that fruits and vegetables are smaller, there's less variety.

In the summer we sell lots of lettuces but without water there won't be as many and they will be

a lot smaller. It's a problem. I sell meat products. The farmers who produce the animals

are going to have to raise their prices because the cost of water will go up. I think there is a lot

of wasted water. We are having a drought but you can be sure that the golf courses of Catalonia

are still being well watered. The voices of vendors in the markets in Barcelona ending

that report by Guy Hedgeko. The leader of a church in eastern France says he's received

death threats after organising a pole dancing performance last week set to medieval music

on the suffering of the Virgin Mary over the crucifixion of Jesus. Programs from the evening's

performance were defaced with comments such as you're going to hell. Harry Bly reports.

The performance of Stabat Maitre featured baroque style music, opera singers and the

French pole dance champion Van Sondkrabelny. It took place at Saint Guillaume church in Strasbourg

and was a full house with all 1,000 tickets sold. A local newspaper described the performance as

skillful, athletic, graceful, impertinent and some would say sexy and it said it had left the

audience gasping. The church's minister Daniel Busenbacher said the evening's program was

flirtatious but soft. But following the performance came the letters. The criticism ranged from

this is not a church, it's a cabaret to calls for the minister and parishioners to be decapitated.

However, the threat did not deter Mr Busenbacher nor his church from hosting more shows,

with two further performances scheduled in the coming months.

Here in Britain Buckingham Palace has indicated that after King Charles' coronation next month

his wife will be known as Queen Camilla. At the moment she's referred to as the Queen Consort.

The change was announced at the same time as the official invitation to the coronation. Camilla

will be crowned Westminster Abbey alongside the King. Our royal correspondent Nicholas Wichell reports.

A thousand years of precedent and tradition have established that the wife of a British King

is known as the Queen. Yet from the moment Charles succeeded to the throne last September,

Buckingham Palace has been at pains to refer to her as the Queen Consort. This, it was said,

was to avoid any confusion with the Queen, Elizabeth II, Queen Regnant. It also, of course,

helped to soften any remaining sensitivities about the former Camilla Parker Bowles and her

long association with the then Prince of Wales. But with the publication of the invitation to

the coronation on the 6th of May, it's clear that this is about to change. The invitation is to the

coronation of their Majesties, King Charles III and Queen Camilla. It's an appropriate moment,

officials believe, to make the change. Meanwhile it's been announced that neither

the US President nor the Vice President will represent their country at the coronation.

In their stead, it will be the first Lady Jill Biden. There's no official word yet on whether

Prince Harry or his wife, Megan, will travel from America to attend. And that's all from us for now,

but there will be a new edition of the Global News podcast later. If you want to comment on

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bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on Twitter at Global NewsPod. This edition was mixed by Alicia

Thursting, the producer was Oliver Burlow, the editor is Karen Martin. I'm Janet Jolial. Until

next time, goodbye. It's late night in London and we're recording an emergency episode of

America's with the news that Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 charges. We're going

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The French president made his comments during a visit to Beijing. Also: Ukraine's president visits Poland, and Rupert Murdoch calls off his engagement.