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Hello, everyone. Welcome to this week's episode of the Sky Sports F1 podcast, where I've managed

to pin down our very own Nico Rosberg for an Ask Me Anything. And Nico, when we put

this out on Twitter, we've had up to a million impressions on this tweet for questions for

you. So plenty to get through. But I guess, look, first off, how are you?

I'm very well. Thank you. Just came back from a big trip in the US, where I did a combined

couple of things, like some venture capital activities, so startups representing some

representing Jung Heinrich, which is an electric forklift brand out of Germany. And even my

green awards, because we have one of the biggest sustainability events now in Europe called

Green Tech Festival. And we went to LA with that. So we had a nice gala evening there

as well.

Busy, busy. And that's all since Qatar, all in that week.

Oh, sorry, that was before Qatar. So it was just, it was on the way to Qatar. I met my

calendars confusing me.

That makes sense. I was going to say what an awful lot you've packed into a week. Well,

look, great. Thank you, Nico, for joining us. A couple of the big storylines that I want

to get into with you. I mean, look, we've got this triple header coming up. We've got

Austin, Mexico, and then Brazil. I think one of the big stories is that Daniel Ricciardo

is coming back. Before we talk about Daniel, my first question to you really is about Liam

Lawson and how you think Liam's done in that Alpha Tower car. And if you say you were to

give him a mark out of 10, what would you give him?

No, I think Liam has done really well. It was such a difficult situation to jump into.

So if you give it out of 10, you would say eight or even nine, because he just did a

solid job and he secured himself. No, he didn't secure himself a drive for next year, did he?

But I think he put himself in a, no, but I think he put himself a great position to get

a drive in the future with Alpha Tari. What are they called now? Alpha Tari still? Yes.

It's still TVC about what they're going to be called next year. And then, so Liam had

a good, I mean, he got P9, didn't he, in Singapore as well. So it's got his first points in

Formula One. In terms of what Daniel now has to do, so he's got five races, right, to kind

of prove his worth. I mean, we know that he's going to be driving for Alpha Tari next season,

but with the maybe with the issues of Sergio Perez, what do you think would be a good five

races now for Daniel?

Well, first of all, Franz Tost on the grid in Qatar told me that Daniel was still struggling

in the simulator one week ago with his wrist to do a full race distance. So let's see. I think

it won't be easy for him to come back and be physically, you know, 100%. So I wish him the

best. And I hope you mind it because it's so physical driving these cars. Even when you're,

like in terms of wrist, it's not just steering. It's also when you're braking, when you're

braking, you're pushing against the steering wheel a lot because you can't allow your body to

just flop forwards when you're braking into the seatbelt. You need to push against and steer.

So there's incredible forces on the on the wrist. So yeah, I wish I wish that he that he manages to

come back and and and feel fit to race, obviously. And and then the five races he needs to do now.

I don't think there's such high expectation on him now because he's got the drive for next year.

And and I think it just needs to be solid. We got a question here then from Instagram,

from Indian Motorsport fans. Do you think Ricardo can win a race in Formula One again?

Well, it's definitely not going to be easy because first of all, you get to get himself

into a top car. So he needs to do a great season in Alfa Tauri next year. Then perhaps if Sergio

continues this form, maybe even throughout the season, Daniel could have a shot at getting

into the number one team if he does really well, then there's no reason why not. And if he gets

into number one team either sometime next year or the year after 2025, then he will have a great

shot at winning another race. So there is a chance, but it's it's still remote for now.

And I guess look, totally unrelated. Another tweet here from James. Do you think Sergio will

keep his seat for next year? What do you think Sergio's got to do in these next five races?

Similar questions, Daniel, but what do you make of Sergio's next five?

Wow. Well, first of all, I feel for him because it's such a horrible situation to be in. The

pressure of the world on his shoulders and the social media world is criticizing him so much

because also all F1 fans are relying on him as well to keep things exciting. And in a way,

he let F1 fans down because he made it too easy for first happen. And I was in that situation

with with Hamilton, you know, that I was really carrying the the expectation of everybody on

my shoulders to keep it exciting and to not let it become boring, the racing with Lewis Hamilton

being too dominant. And so it's really, really a tough situation for him. So I can really relate

and and he's I mean, he's having such a difficult time. I mean, Qatar was a horrible weekend again

for him, like so bad with the best car. So wow, I don't know. I mean, he really needs to find a

way there and very quickly because at that, how he's driving now, I mean, Red Bull really need to

consider even for next year. Yeah, we spoke on the podcast last week, actually, about the last

three races in terms of points for the Constructors' Championship. So McLaren have scored 104 points,

Red Bull have scored 75, Ferrari 70. So when you hear that, Nico, and you and you feel that,

you know, McLaren have got two excellent drivers now, haven't they scoring really,

really good points getting P2s, P3s, Red Bull, it's basically just max and whatever Sergio

can contribute. But it's not enough, is it, next season, if it's a close fight? No, that's a real

the real headache they've got there, really, really big headache, because they need two

top drivers in the car to score some solid points. And Sergio is massively underperforming at the

moment for reasons that I struggle to understand, because I know that he's a great driver. So it's

very difficult to understand why he would be so far off. One explanation is that Max is spectacular,

one of the greatest of all time. Yeah, he's soon, soon going to be one of the top five of all time.

So that's one reason that still Sergio is too far. Do you think he's going to Mexico? What do you

think the impact of having a Mexican Grand Prix? Do you think it will add pressure? Or do you think

he'll he'll enjoy being in front of his home fans? No, I think he's going to enjoy being home,

not necessarily. And I think he'll just be newly motivated to do really well there. But the Mexican

track is incredibly difficult, because it's a very strange asphalt where the tyre doesn't connect

very well, and it just suddenly steps out when you don't expect it. It's very unpredictable

to drive there. I used to hate driving there. It was so, so difficult. And it was one of my

weakest tracks, even though I won there. Yeah, I win there once, yeah, once or twice, I'm not sure.

And yeah, so, so let's see how Sergio gets on, but it's going to be a difficult weekend, I'm sure,

for him. Yeah, is that when, when, when you're struggling as a driver, is that what you're

looking for? You're looking for consistency, right? You're looking for tracks that you know

not even looking for breakthrough moments, and it can even come in a free practice session.

You're just looking for those small breakthrough moments, because it's very fast in F1. As soon

as you line one breakthrough moment, another one, then you're back. More things move very fast.

They certainly do. So we've spoken about Sergio. What about Max? How does he approach these final

five races? Do you think for him it's a, it's like a victory lap in terms of just celebrating the

fact that he's already won? Or do you think he's going to want to get every single win of those

final five races? And my other question to you is, do you think he'll in any way help Sergio?

Because if you remember back to Brazil last year, where he didn't help Sergio, help, help his course

for Peter and the championship, can you, can you see a situation where Max just is, is, is, is

belligerently going out in front and wanting to win every race and not picking it up?

So I don't see, I don't see Max helping Sergio at all. What, like, what's the point? Max, I think,

is just ultra determined to win every single race left of the season. I think that's what it's about

and that's it. I mean, we saw it in Qatar even. He wasn't thinking about the championship points

on Saturday. He was wanting to go out there and win the race. So, and I think it's going to be the

same for the rest of the year. Let's move on to talk about Mercedes, your, your old team. A tweet

here from C, thoughts on the new dynamic at Mercedes. Do you see any tensions or familiarities

with your own time with Lewis? And this is in relation, of course, to the, to the first lap

incident where, where Lewis and George collided. Yeah, so things have been heating up there,

because also in Suzuka, it was like well over the limit on one occasion, where they both took

each other off the track. And yeah, so it's interesting to follow. I hope that, especially

Toto, I hope he's managing that carefully, because you've got to be ahead of the curve there and

not things, not let things spiral. It's a very difficult situation for George as well,

because you, unfortunately, you can't just be the nice guy in that situation. You have to also

internally keep the pressure on. You have to make it difficult for the team. Unfortunately,

it sucks, but, but because otherwise the team is always just going to take the easiest route and,

and, and yeah, so, so it's very uncomfortable because George needs to like be pushing,

which he does on the radio, you can hear him on the radio in the racing, like saying,

again, and things like that. So he's really trying to hold against it.

Yeah. And I mean, okay, it was a good one now in Qatar for George, because Lewis actually admitted.

So that was a big win for George in that sense, also internally. But, which is very rare because

like in my time, Lewis never had 100% default. So he never actually had to admit in that way.

So it's very, very rare for Lewis to be 100% at fault like that. Usually never happens. So,

but yeah, to be watched, I mean, it's, it's an interesting battle and dynamic that's,

that's opening up there. Did you think the fact that Toto hasn't been in Japan,

and he wasn't in Qatar? Do you think that has anything to do with, with maybe things getting

a little bit loose and a little bit not out of hand? That's, that's way too, way too extreme,

but maybe his absence? Yeah, that would not have been ideal because Toto is the only person there

that can manage that. He's the only person that will have the authority and respect to be able

to handle that. And he's the right guy also to handle it. Because no one else can, can force them

to sit down really and have a discussion and, and hit the table. And so yeah, I think it'll be very

good for Toto to be back at the racetrack. I mean, unless what Toto can do is, I don't know,

like when they're back here in Monaco on Monday after Qatar, maybe he would have sat down with

both or go visit Lewis in his, in his apartment and, and have a sit down with George individually

first. And then ideally you'd also sit them together then. Is that the kind of manager he'd be then?

He'd, he'd, he'd both go to each individually and then bring them together, obviously for the team

and then yeah, do that. Yeah, he would do that. Yeah. And I mean, he's had so much experience

with managing teammates. So he knows, he knows what needs to be done. And the most important

for him is to be neutral, which was an advice that Alan Prost gave him back in our time.

He said, Toto, the most important is never take a side between the drivers. Stay neutral,

because once you take a side, it spirals out of control. And so I think Toto will have learned a

lot and I'm sure he'll be managing that well. Yeah. And obviously Hamilton's only 30 points

behind Perez in the championship. So actually there's quite a lot to fight for and play for,

isn't there? For, for Mercedes at the moment. I mean, how do you think Lewis is going to

again, this sort of same question, but how would Lewis approach the final five races? It's,

it's a weird one for him to be going for second in the championship, but will he still be

going, going at that with all the vim and vigor that you'd expect if he was going for, for the

number one? Well, I think the frame of mind is to continue scoring as many points as possible,

to distance, distance George as far as possible in the championship, which this year there's a

sizable gap there. Whereas last year, George beat Lewis in the championship. This year it's gone

really the other way. And there's actually a very, very big gap because Lewis just had a very

clean, clean season and really optimize. I mean, he's had incredible run optimizing points everywhere,

except for last race. But yeah, definitely I'm sure Lewis will also be keen on, on getting P2

in the championship because beating a Red Bull car with the Mercedes, the way it was this year,

would be quite an achievement. Yeah, a real scalp. There we got to hear from Formula UR

the differences or they want to know the differences between yours and Lewis's car

setup preferences. Was it always a harmonious decision with that or did you have very different

driving styles? No, it would be very, very similar. Extremely similar. If there was a difference,

what would the difference be? I wouldn't even know a difference. It was really, really literally the

same most of the time. Sometimes we just, when you don't know which, which car set up, like

sometimes you would have different geometries on the rear and you just didn't really know what was

better than it might be that you just deviate and go for two different things, but it's very rare.

Very, very interesting. Henry on Twitter, Nico, with your incredible F1 experience,

if you were to make a comeback as a race driver, which team do you think would be the best fit

for you? Well, the best fit would still be Mercedes. But the only other one that I would

consider would be Ferrari then, because I speak Italian, I get on best with the Italians,

really love Italy, so that would be the only other one.

Be pretty exciting. No, no danger of that happening though, is there?

No, no. I'm completely... You never know, you never know.

It would take me forever also to get back into it now, because even just physically,

to get those, I mean, yesterday I was on a motocross bike and my arm went knackered,

like after, after a couple of minutes and back in the day, I could have gone all day because the,

the underarms are also what you train for the race car to hold the steering wheel.

So it would take me forever to get all those specific muscles back up to speed and then,

and the brain for the brain to learn to process that, that speed again,

would also take forever. I mean, I'd have to drive so much in the racing car,

which you don't even get the opportunity to do, you know, to drive in a Formula One car.

So it would be very difficult now to get back into it.

Do you think you could, if, if you give it, if, if, I mean, if...

If I had the passion and the passion for it to get back into it, then yeah, I could.

But it would be hours. I mean, it would be hours of gym and, and spending time in a race car.

Probably I would have to buy a GP2 car and I would just have to drive and drive and drive

on different tracks and really get back into it with sets of tires, sets of tires, all day long

every day and do really like on, like over and over and over and do so many days. And then,

and then have a whole, old F1 car test series lined up as well. And then eventually I'll be

back up to speed. Yeah, but it would take a long, I mean, half a year at least.

Yeah. Wow. Long, long process. So yeah, didn't think it would be as long as that.

Well, look, I mean, imagine Roger Federer.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Tell him, hey, get back to being the best in the world.

It's going to take him, it's going to take him 12 months to get back. Andy Murray,

after his long injury, he's still fighting now to try and, to try and get into a top,

top 20 in the world. So it's very similar.

And you've got to have the desire right to do it. Because if you don't have the desire,

then you just have a huge desire to, because putting the work is going to be painful. I mean,

the work that would go into it would be, would be rather painful.

Yeah. Caroline on Twitter would like to know if you think Oscar Piastri has a genuine chance to

be world champion. It's a little bit early day still, but let's start with being a,

well, I was going to say race winner, he's already a race winner, but let's go for Sunday

race winner. So he has a great chance of being a multiple race winner. Champion,

let's wait with that. Because this year he's shown some weakness in, in race pace a little bit

still, which is normal. It's normal for rookies to struggle in some different areas. And he's

up against one of the best out there, which is Lando Norris. And I haven't yet seen that,

that he could definitely beat Lando over the whole season. So we need to give him some more,

more time, but let's start with multiple race winner.

Can you remember ever in Formula One, a turnaround like McLaren have had this season,

a team mid-season being able to, to transform their car from pretty much the slowest to the

fastest? That's incredible. Yeah. That's incredible how they've done that and brought such a massive

upgrade in performance. And I've heard rumors that they expected it to be such a jump as well.

So they really fully understood it. It showed in the numbers. It's, it's all to do with the

regulations still being so young though. So they really copied a lot from the Red Bull car,

from the concept. And so suddenly the car just came alive because it's a very different concept

they've gone to throughout the season. So it has to do with the fact that regulations are still

young. And in terms of back to Lando, what do you think the impact of having Oscar in that team

will be for Lando? Do you think it will rise, raise him up? And do you think it will raise his game?

Because ultimately, I guess if you look back at the last couple of seasons with Daniel,

there were only a handful of occasions he was challenged by his teammate. And I think now,

would you agree that he's, he's got someone who's going to challenge him week in, week out?

Yeah, but I think Lando has been doing really well when he wasn't really challenged so much. I

think he was always at his best. And then if you look at Katara now, suddenly you've had Lando

was a little bit off, never putting a lap together and qualifying and therefore having a bad worst

grid slot and not getting the best out of the weekend because Oscar beat him in both on Saturday

and on Sunday. Plus, what was a little bit of a worry because Lando always says himself how he has

sometimes challenges with mental health. And I saw some signs of that unfolding again this weekend

because he goes into this spiral of, of then saying, oh, I'm not good enough and I'm just making

mistakes and I've done a bad job. And, and he just repeats that over and over. And that's a typical

example of, of, of a little bit of a mental struggle there. You know, and I was, I was going to

write him maybe because I studied with a psychologist for 10 years. You know, I was really

the driver who was most dedicated to, to improving my mental performance, but also mental well-being

actually because it came hand in hand. So I spent every two days, I worked two hours with a psychologist

every two days. It was more intense than, more intense than the physical training. It was insane.

And it really helped. It was a big, big, big, big part of me becoming a world champion.

So I wanted to write Lando actually, and I wanted to say that one thing is thinking you're not good

enough, but the other thing which you can influence and avoid is what you're saying then. And if you

keep repeating that, you, you, you start to believe what you say even more, you know, in repetition,

you can, you can start to believe what you say. So it's important to try and avoid repeating,

I'm not good enough and I'm making too many mistakes and over and over and over for the whole weekend.

Because I guess we, we in the media, we've, we've, we've been so lucky with Lando because he is so

open. And I think when he first came into Formula One, it was such a breath of fresh air. He was,

he was, he was so great with the media. He was such a personable character. Do you think almost

he has to go into a bit of self-preservation mode and go, actually, I'm going to give less away.

I'm going to be less honest with my answers in the media pen and keep all of that back a bit

because that's going to help me, like you say, not talk about it so much, not be so open.

No, but let's find a balance there. It's, we all appreciate his honesty and that is how he is.

So that's great. So he should keep that. So it's just a matter of say it once, you know, hey,

it's just been not, not, not my best weekend. For some reason, the car was a bit difficult for me

to put the lap together and qualifying. And then that's it. Just, but there's a difference between

that saying it once like that and just repeating it for the whole weekend over and over. And there's

there's the difference changing tax on Instagram. Sonia would like to know,

could you be a team principal if not a driver? I don't know. The whole human resources thing,

hiring people, managing people, that's not really, it's not my greatest strength. And you need that

like someone like Toto is incredibly well or even I suppose Christian Horner, incredibly well with

managing people, giving them also like a, like a view to the future, how they can grow within

teams and, and keeping the culture strong so they don't jump ship to another team. That's a really

big strength of Toto's. And I don't think that I have that similar ability. So that would be a

little bit of a weakness, an important weakness there. Apart from, apart from that, then also,

I would not want to put that kind of dedication into my life again, ever again, actually,

because being a team boss is a 24 hour, every single day of the week job, even a Saturday,

Sunday. It's such a demanding job. So I don't ever want to put that kind of dedication into,

into work anymore, because I value my family, family time too much for that. And if I could

show you now, I would, I was riding a horse with my daughter on the weekend. I was writing,

which was, yeah, how times change. The horse was like, it's like a race car, the horse. Like,

it's unbelievable. Like a little twitch on the right and they will do a slight turn to the right,

little twitch on the left. Like it's amazing. It's incredible. This is how you train for Formula

One again, Nika. You just, just be on a horse and it will do everything you need to do. But in terms

of what you, what perhaps a team principle does on a race weekend, in terms of the, the managing of

a team and the strategy of a, of a, of a team, would that be something you'd enjoy?

Enjoy. Yeah, no, of course, there's role, there's parts of that role that would be very enjoyable.

Yeah, certainly. Especially like managing the drivers with the engineers, getting involved

in strategy, making those kinds of decisions. I think they're definitely, I would have strengths.

Another thing that Toto obviously has to do through weekends is play the politics game

with the FIA, with the other teams. It's a constant politics, like constant. Even now,

with the 11th team trying to, trying to, they, all the team managers are trying to,

or team, team owners are trying to stop that and leveraging the, leveraging Dominic Cali and the

FOM to try and stop that with the FIA, against the FIA, you know, and it's like politics all day

long, like Christian Horner trying to get some different engine regulations. So, so they have

to do politics to stop, to stop that from happening or, or all it's like, and I would hate that and

it's just never stops, you know, and that, that's something I really don't like.

John on Twitter would like to know, which group make a good F1 team great? Engineers, mechanics,

or strategists? In other words, if you were forming a team, where would you invest most heavily?

Where did you spend most of your time as a driver in a Formula One team?

Well, that's the thing that in F1, really, everything matters, but you'd probably, I would

probably start with the air-dynamicist. So I would invest most time and money to begin with,

but it's, but it's not correct to say that, but anyways, that's my feeling that I would go air-dynamicist.

The problem is you need just as much than the guy on the construction side who's going to actually

put what the air-dynamicist wishes into an actual car without it breaking. It's just as important

to fit everything together, to package it. Then we come to the engine, just as important to have

a good engine. Otherwise, you're just going to be nowhere. So it goes on and on. Then you need a

good team boss to keep the team going in one direction. You need to invest just as much

and having the best drivers. So it's a whole package. It's not just one area.

I guess that's why we love Formula One, because it's such so complex.

George on Twitter, this is a silly question. How do you keep that hair looking so glorious?

Oh, there we are. I have quite a good hair day today, actually. Just putting it in place.

What's your routine? Yeah, there's a whole strategy to it. So there's a hairspray which

goes to the skull, first of all. Then the hairspray goes on top of everything. Then there's also

powder, hair powder, which that is the best invention of all time, hair powder. Everybody

has to try that. It's amazing. I'm going to take note. Very good.

A tweet here from Bia. Who are your top three favorite Formula One drivers of all time?

Top three favorite Formula One drivers of all time. Well, Mika Hakinen, because my father

was managing him. So Mika Hakinen, and I was cheering for him big time in his fight against

Schumacher. Before that, I didn't really see anybody because I started to get into a fun with

Mika Hakinen. So then after Mika Hakinen, in that period before I started, who was my favorite?

I don't think I really had a favorite in that period then. I mean, there was Raikkonen, Alonso,

Montoya. Montoya. I think Montoya was awesome because it was just so exciting to watch him

battle Michael in wheel to wheel. That was awesome. So maybe Montoya for a period there.

And then of course, once I started, it's more difficult to say favorite driver. So let's go

for Hakinen and Montoya. But then looking at history, looking at history, my dad. How about that?

So Hakinen, my dad, and Montoya. That's a pretty good piece, isn't it? There you go.

Pretty good three. As a driver, yes. So obviously, look, we've got obviously the three races coming

up, but then we're going to Las Vegas. I'm intrigued to get your thoughts, Mika, on what,

if you were racing in Formula One now and you've got a brand new race on the calendar like Las

Vegas, do you go, oh, that's so exciting. Can't wait to race around Las Vegas. Or do you go,

oh, there's going to be so many more media commitments. I'm going to be exhausted. It's

a new racetrack. It's so much to learn. Where do you sit? Where would you have sat in that scale?

Yeah, it's a mixture. I mean, it's super exciting to go to Vegas at the same time. You know that the

burden of everything apart from the actual driving is going to be 10-fold almost for the whole weekend.

So that's something that then one would not look forward to so much.

So it depends. But I think in general, it would be just exciting. I mean, I would love to have had

Vegas on the calendar at the time. And in the lead-up now, I would be in the simulator at the

headquarter. And I'll be doing laps and laps and laps and practicing the Vegas track, probably even

doing a race distance. So I can practice the lift and coast, which is managing the fuel consumption.

And so you'd probably even do a race distance to practice that.

Do you think now simulators are good enough and well-made enough that actually,

once you get to Vegas, nothing's really a surprise? You kind of expect a lot of it? Or

how much of that would be a surprise? Maybe like the track surface and things like that?

No, simulators are still quite far off and they always will be. It's a real challenge to get that

to be 100% realistic. But anyways, they've made progress and it's still worth spending time in it.

Final couple of questions. We know that Andretti have obviously been given the green light

by the FAA to enter Formula One. It's just now down to Formula One to decide. What's your opinion

Niko, in terms of would you like to see an 11th team in Formula One? And can you understand the

pushback from the F1 teams that don't want an 11th team? Well, I mean, would you like to see that

it's an easy answer? I would love to see another competitive team being an F1. There's no point

to have another team that's just going to run around in last place. That would be completely

useless. So we don't need that. But if that team can prove that they have the competence,

the people and the funding to be competitive within a few years, then of course that would be great

because also there's talk about it being backed by Cadillac. So then you'd have an American car

manufacturer, an American team. That's awesome. That's super cool. Then all you need is an American

driver and then you got the full package and it'll be amazing for the sport. And the pushback from

the teams maybe comes because some people think they're just going to be uncompetitive. So that

could be some pushback. And then of course that they take some money away from the pie.

So teams and F1 get less revenues, less profit. So there's definitely going to be pushback as a

result of that, which in a way is understandable also. But personally, if they can prove that

they can be competitive, I would love to see them in F1. Yeah, I think we all would. Final

question. This is from Genie on Twitter. What is your favorite ice cream flavor from your ice cream

shop? Yeah, so we have an ice cream shop in Ibiza. It's called Vivi's Creamery. And we're number

one now in the Balearics, which is awesome. And we had an amazing season as well. So my favorite

flavor, the one I take every time, honestly, I just go for vanilla. Just plain and simple. It's

awesome. So I really like that. I go vanilla stretchatella. But yeah, if any of you are coming

to Ibiza, we're closing on the last day of October. So there's a couple of days left for you to take

a plane down. Are you involved in the tasting and the making? Yeah, yeah, of course, I'm involved

in everything. Wow. It's like a passion project from Vivian and I, which we share together.

And so we just, yeah, we get involved together. Have you had to learn a lot about ice cream

maker? I guess you have. Did you have any prior experience of ice cream making? No, no, we're

all started from zero, even with having a shop where everything started from zero. And we have

like 10 employees now, you know, so it's like a, it's like quite a big, big machine. And now,

yeah, it's been a, it's been a lovely experience. The problem is that when we're there in summer,

we go every second day and then it's almost like all you can eat. So it's not a, it's not the best

health wise, it's not the best. But thankfully it's just in Ibiza. So yeah. Very good. Nico,

thank you very much. And thanks everyone for sending in your questions. I'm going out to Austin

this week. So we're going to do the podcast from somewhere at TBC. Not really sure yet.

We're around Austin. But until then, we'll be back next Tuesday. Hope you can join us then. Bye for now.

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