Förhörsrummet: Familjehämnden - Del 2 av 5

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What's going on?

I don't know. I don't know what you've done to me.

I'm just a knife.

Yes, but where is your knife?

We need some information to help you.

Above all.

Above all? Ok.

Is there a lot of blood?

Send the helicopter now!

They are on their way to you.

It's easier to help you if you have more information to us.

I don't know.

They were masked.

I'm not afraid of them.

No, but that's not going to happen.

Help us on our way out.

We won't be able to help you.

Yes, we are on our way to you.

We are on our way.

We won't be able to help you.

You are listening to the hearing with me, André Christensen.

And me, Anna-Marie Granlund.

And the case of the family incident.

The hearing room is a podcast series,

which creates police interrogation from an authentic case.

You are listening to the second part.

In the previous hearing, you were informed

that your and Zacharias DNA was found on a knife

that was found at home by Zacharias.

Is there anything you would like to say about that?

Yes.

It was something...

That the knife was in...

I don't know if it was Daniel's or Tobias' box.

Someone saw it.

Someone of the two.

That there was a knife in there.

And it looks about like that.

And it can be that.

And this box that you are talking about,

it is preserved.

Yes, it is in the toilet.

It is often used to do that.

Yes, there has also been a result from NFC.

That there is a blood sample on the skull of a lion on the floor in the toilet.

And it is then a DNA that comes from Zacharias.

What?

Oh, I'm sorry.

I haven't done anything, so I'm sorry.

I can't be sure how it has come out.

The injuries on Zacharias.

He had 20 greater injuries in about...

And they were caused by sharp wounds.

There are even more wounds on Zacharias body from external wounds.

I thought I would show you some pictures.

Excuse me.

Apart from these injuries, there are also external wounds.

Also caused by an egg vest.

Yes.

Do you have anything else that you would like to tell?

No.

Just the scaring that there is in my living room.

It scares me.

Not me, but it scares me what happens to me.

I'm afraid of myself.

Who are you afraid of?

Or what are you not afraid of?

What is the question?

It scares me.

On a Sunday in February 2023,

Zacharias Nordfors, who is usually home to his mother, eats lunch.

And late at night, he gets home.

The last activity on Zacharias' phone is close to midnight.

And at 00.05, the alarm goes off.

To open next time, 00.28,

when Zacharias calls SOS Alarm

because he has been stabbed in his stomach.

The police quickly report their mistakes

to 42-year-old Anni and 48-year-old Morten.

And it is reported that they are going to have a fight with Zacharias.

At the same time, as the two are suspected,

Anni's son, Daniel, and her sister, Frans and Rasmus,

are heard as witnesses.

The Cussidens have died during the weekend

and they are going to sleep at home with Anni on Saturday night.

But the witnesses' goals are different.

And how far Rasmus has slept on Saturday night

and how far Rasmus has slept on Saturday night

or not, they share their opinions.

When Anni's DNA is found on a knife at home

at Zacharias' house, the blood is noted in the evidence

on Saturday night, and the details in the Cussidens'

stories about the Sunday do not go together.

That leads to new mistakes.

And at the end of April, 23,

Daniel and Rasmus are also arrested,

suspected of murdering Zacharias.

Listen to Daniel Ström, April, 23.

Then we have to listen to Daniel Ström.

Then Daniel, we have talked to you earlier.

First, in the ownership of witnesses,

and yesterday, you shared your thoughts.

I will take your thoughts again

so that your lawyer can also take part in it.

You are suspected of murder on the fifth floor.

You have together and in common understanding

with other dead Zacharias' witnesses

through sharing their stories and stories

with an egg-wrapped criminal.

You have committed suicide.

You have the right not to express yourself in the wrong way

or in any other way to influence the investigation

through your own guilt.

Have you understood what you are mistaken for

and what your rights are?

Yes.

Is there anything you want to comment on?

No, nothing.

As I said, we have met earlier,

but I thought you would tell us

what your living situation looks like today.

Well...

My living situation looks like

I'm living with my mother,

with my sister.

And your social situation,

how does it look like?

And your sister-in-law?

Well, my sister-in-law

I usually train here.

I train at home.

And then,

I usually go to my cousins,

Frans and Rasmus.

Sometimes,

but very rarely,

I usually go to my friends.

And then I can only drink

and party.

And then there is also

the job search,

the future plans.

That's right.

And you have mentioned that Rasmus and Frans,

they are your cousins,

and that you interact with them.

Can you describe your relationship

to them?

My relationship?

Yes.

Well, we usually play together,

so...

We often meet and greet each other

a few times a week,

so...

I see them often.

Are you any closer to each other?

Well...

A little closer to Frans,

than to Rasmus.

But you are friends with both of them?

Yes.

Earlier,

we also talked about this

sexual intercourse

that Sakaria spent

about 15 years ago.

Is there anything more

that you would like to tell or have come up with?

No.

And your feelings

for Sakaria after this?

In recent times,

how have they expressed themselves,

and how have you felt?

They haven't changed anything.

I said earlier that it was...

It was...

It's so boring,

but I didn't feel anything like it.

So...

No.

There's nothing I can do about it now.

You have told me earlier

that you,

Anni and Frans,

were in the hospital

on Sunday night.

And you watched the movie,

listened to the music.

And that you were late

after 24,

but that you were unsure of the exact time.

Yes.

I don't really remember when we were late.

It was...

It looked very dim.

And Frans,

that night.

Did you sleep anywhere?

In the sofa.

But it could also have been a bed.

But...

It was fun to sleep in the sofa.

When Rasmus and Frans slept.

What did you say?

Rasmus and Frans?

Rasmus also slept there?

Yes.

That night?

Yes.

And where did he sleep?

In the sofa as well.

When we have counted the names

earlier,

which were on the left,

Rasmus also slept there.

But you mean that he was also there?

Yes.

Rasmus and Frans.

I hope I forgot to say Rasmus

as well, but Rasmus was there.

And Anni,

where did she spend the night?

She was in the living room,

the kitchen

and her room.

Is there anyone who leaves

Saturday night

on Sunday?

On Monday night?

No.

I think

everyone was standing there

and sleeping.

Rasmus and Frans

were standing there

and sleeping.

Rasmus,

do you know anything

about that?

Do you have anything

to do with Zacharia?

No, absolutely not.

I don't think so.

Anni and Morten,

they have been back for a while.

What is their

influence on this mood?

Nothing.

They haven't done anything.

And how do you know that?

I was with my mother

and I thought she would do it.

That's why.

And did you know

that Rasmus

lives on the other side

of the garden

and thinks

from the red house

on that side?

Did you know that

before this weekend?

That he lived on the other side?

Yes, on the garden

or on that side?

Yes, I knew that.

I will show you

a picture

of how you did this.

No.

This knife was taken

from the crime scene

on Zacharia's apartment.

Okay.

On this knife

there is DNA from Anni.

Okay.

And Zacharia's.

Yes, I don't know anything.

Do you have any explanation

why this knife is on the ground

and

does it have DNA on it?

No, nothing.

It also

has been done

on the ground

where Zacharia's blood

has been found

on the floor of your apartment.

Okay.

Can you explain?

I had no idea.

What do you think

when you hear this?

Well,

it sounded horrible.

Of course,

then you mean

that my mother was involved in this.

You hear

what we say.

No, I have no idea.

I had no idea.

I don't know.

How can Zacharia's blood

be found in your apartment?

I don't know.

Seriously.

How are your thoughts?

Well,

I'm

so shocked.

No,

I'm

shocked

and upset, of course.

Do you know anything about this?

Nothing.

Zacharia's blood

has been found on the floor of your apartment.

I don't know.

During the month

that you've also told

your mother about it.

Yes.

Tell us about it.

Yes.

There's not much to tell about it.

have told you about it before.

They went on their way.

I was at home.

Why did they go on their way?

To look at the house where they lived before.

Because they had talked about it.

That's what I know.

What have you never expressed

to Zacharia?

How did you feel about her?

That she didn't like it.

That's what I remember.

And when did you express

that to her?

Well,

when she expressed it.

You mean

that after he left?

Yes, before or after.

Well,

it has been before

and after, of course.

And what did she say?

That he is a pedophile

and a violent man.

And in what sense

can you explain it more?

When she tells

when she talks about Zacharia.

What do you mean by that?

Expression,

reading.

You can be in different ways

when you express things.

Yes, both

expression and reading

so.

Can she have done something to Zacharia?

From how she expressed herself

about her?

I don't want to answer that.

What is the reason for you not

to answer that?

You don't want to answer that.

You are mistaken for

a mother.

Tell me.

What should I tell you?

You say you understand it.

Well,

I...

I have contact with my mother

and my mother

and then

what happened to me before

when I was released

is why I didn't say I missed it.

And Zacharia's DNA?

Or blood in your stomach?

Yes, what should I say about that?

I don't know anything about it.

Anni says that

the knife that we show up

as you have seen in the picture

is in your stomach.

Okay, I don't know anything about it.

You don't agree?

Or do you just know about it?

I don't know.

But I really don't think that

mother or mother has done it.

What have they done?

I don't know.

Think about what they

prove to exist.

Yes, I...

I don't think they have done it.

Why don't you believe that?

Because I saw my mother.

And I know that my mother is there for it.

And I don't think that mother would do it either.

Is there anything now

that you want to tell us?

To add to this situation?

Yes, that

I haven't done it.

And not mother and not mother.

Who have you done it to?

I don't know.

I... No, I don't have anything to add to it.

I don't have anything to add to it.

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that Frans, Rasmus' 17-year-old little brother, has something to tell.

Frans is guilty to the murder and means that his brother

has nothing to do with the incident.

Listen to Frans Westman, April, 2023.

Then we have to listen to Frans Westman.

Frans, you are going to share your thoughts about the murder.

Yes.

You have been mistaken about the murder of Jotron Stegen 5B.

You are together and in common with others.

You have killed Zakaria Snodfors through the addition of

scourges and sticks with an egg-based formula.

You have committed the murder with abuse.

Have you understood the murder?

Yes, I have understood the murder.

Frans, it is important that we understand each other.

Yes.

You do not understand what I am saying, it is important that you say more.

Yes.

I will ask questions about what you have told,

but it is not because you have told something bad about it.

Just because we want to clarify it or that I have not understood.

Yes.

Are there any thoughts you have right now?

I do not have any thoughts.

Yesterday I was contacted on the phone.

Yes.

It was your father who called me.

Yes.

And then you talked to me.

Yes.

What was the reason for me to be contacted this year?

I contacted you because I wanted to admit myself as a

guilty victim of saccharine.

I felt for the first time, for the first time,

the first person I felt was my father.

And they were completely shocked and they did not understand that it was me.

And I called, I wanted to myself that my father would call you.

I wanted to then...

I felt like a guilty mother.

I did not want anyone else to sit idle when I know the situation.

Which one was more the one who was murdered?

The one who murdered me.

Yes, that is what I am saying.

This conversation is told.

Yes.

I was with Daniel late at night, I think.

It was late at night, that was it.

We decided to just suddenly,

all of a sudden, without...

Without any planning from...

We did not have any planning on ourselves,

but it was...

It was something in...

Psychic.

What it was.

It affected us both mentally.

And then we decided to do it.

We went to...

From Levgränd to Jortronstegen 5B.

Saccharine's apartment and knocked on.

Saccharine opened the door.

Daniel gave...

Daniel gave him a punch with his hand first,

and then after that we both hit him.

And I say...

I say now...

I had never...

been on any innocent person in the whole...

Absolutely not.

In the whole of my life.

It really needed...

To get to that point.

When you go so far, believe me,

it made it...

It took me a lot, because I realized that...

This is not me.

But he had affected so much...

My psyche as well.

I felt so bad about it.

About everything that happened.

Daniel and Rasmus, and not only them,

a lot of innocent people who were sacrificed for Saccharine.

Both victims, and pedophilia, all of this.

I just wanted to get an end to it, so then...

Yes, it was Daniel.

The way Liljeboom, Rasmus Vestman and Anistrum,

that none of these three have anything to do with this.

They don't even know who it is.

No one knows anything.

Daniel and I are behind this.

It's us...

Who are the victims, and it's no one like that.

How does it feel now, when you have...

been told?

It feels good to be told about...

Something I bear as a secret to all of you.

But I'm stuck in my decision, me and Daniel.

Me and Daniel's dream.

And I have never gotten anything,

any crime in my life.

This is the only crime I...

I...

I have endured it, and I stand for it now.

And I'm not a bad person, actually.

I'm not, and I hope I don't stand as a psychopath or anything,

but I...

I tried to make the right decision.

You're telling me that you were together with Daniel?

Yes.

What happened then?

In his situation, and he died.

Or not, he died because we...

hugged him, and then we ran away.

I don't remember where.

What place is it?

I don't know, I don't remember this place.

But the clothes are up there.

And the knifes I have...

for me were cast.

I think it was like that.

Before, you told us that you went to Jortunstegen.

Yes.

You and...

Daniel, late.

What the hell did you do before you went to Jortunstegen?

Løvgren.

That's right.

But...

I mean...

everyone else had gone to Laktse, I don't think...

I think...

When I say this...

I don't even think...

I don't even remember who Rasmus was at Løvgren.

I think he was home.

He had...

He had already gone home.

Tell us about what happened last night before you went to Jortunstegen.

What are you up to?

What are you doing?

Tell us a little bit.

I'm with Daniel.

We...

I think we...

I think we still...

I don't know if we're still in the living room.

It's just that we're watching a movie.

And the others have gone to Laktse or something.

But we're actually watching a movie.

And then...

We decide to...

end this...

psychical...

unhealthy...

Because it feels like it's...

gone too far for both of us.

Both of us, Daniel and I...

We both had to...

be so bad...

about this.

And I couldn't...

let it just go, like...

Tell us a little bit more about Løvgren.

What are you up to tonight?

I think it's me...

Daniel, Anni...

And...

I don't remember if Rasmus was there...

Honestly.

I forgot about him.

I think he might have gone home...

with...

Yeah, with the biggest accident.

Before this happened to his apartment.

Yeah.

All the others...

had gone to Laktse...

at that point in time.

When me and Daniel went out and...

So no one else knew.

It was just me and Daniel.

Tell us about the reason you went out.

We had decided to...

give him...

injuries.

But we didn't...

maybe...

I don't know if I had the courage to think.

I didn't think it was like...

he's going to die or something...

but to give him injuries...

so that he could...

be able to...

get back what he's done...

other unskilled things.

That's how I see it.

Tell us how it went when you decided.

Yeah, we took...

Thomas' knives.

Black clothes.

We went out from...

Løvgren.

We went out and ended up in Jutlandstyggen.

And then...

we hit him down.

I didn't know that he died...

the day after.

I noticed that he died...

because then it was in the newspaper or something.

That was it.

And...

Zacharias.

Then he gets the first knife hit.

Yeah, he...

says that he gives himself...

but in my opinion...

he can't be allowed to...

be allowed to do what he's done.

But he says that he gives himself.

Yeah, but it doesn't change.

I...

why do I or Daniel listen to that?

Because...

we know how he was...

what he was like...

what he's been through.

And then...

we leave the place after that.

And then he stays in his apartment on the floor.

Your feeling when you left Jutlandstyggen?

Yeah, I...

I...

I didn't feel good about what I did.

There's nothing I...

I don't think it's fun at all.

But it's something I feel...

that it needs to be done.

To stop this once and for all.

And it's something I felt that it needed to be done...

so that he could suffer once and for all...

to see what he's done.

What everyone else has been able to do.

It's like...

to...

to get his own pain back.

I think it's so crazy...

how like...

it's so tragic and I suffer with them...

that I'm exhausted.

I have sympathy for them, I don't feel any sympathy for Zacharias.

I don't do that.

He's dead, I know that, but...

it was tragic that it started to end,

but that's how it happened.

What have you said to each other after the incident?

Well, we...

we've talked to each other and said that...

that we...

that we got rid of him.

We... or he...

that he's no longer a problem.

You've said that.

When did you say that?

I think a few days after we talked to each other...

but we just say that...

that we get to know.

That we keep a secret between me and Daniel.

And that's just it.

What's the reason you're telling us now?

It's mostly when I got...

I also got the message that...

I don't know, I was...

I think it was...

that Rasmus was hated and I thought...

how are you going to get rid of him when it's actually me who's behind this?

And then it was that...

I felt it instead.

It feels best that way.

To get it out of the way.

Like, people don't feel guilty and they don't feel right about me when...

I'm the one who's guilty, you know?

Now you've told us about this incident.

You've named one person by name.

You've sometimes talked about Anni.

Yes, my wife, she's dead.

And Rasmus Westman is dead.

They have nothing to do with this at all.

They...

I'm stuck with it and I...

I want them to get rid of me as soon as possible.

What I know is that it's me and Daniel who are guilty.

And that's the truth.

You say that it's you who's guilty.

Yes.

What do you mean by that?

We give the order to get rid of him today.

That's it.

Yes, he's dead.

What do you mean by that?

Sacriage.

But...

Anni's involvement in this incident.

Yes.

What does she have to do with it?

What's her name?

Well...

She didn't like Sacriage at all.

But she didn't have anything to do with the incident

that Daniel and I did.

With doing it.

Or with the others.

It was a decision that Daniel and I made.

Listen to Daniel Ström.

May, 2023.

This event has been going on for about two and a half months.

As you can see, we've been listening to each other

for different reasons.

Since then.

Since the last hearing with you,

one person has been arrested.

What do you say about that?

Nothing.

This person who was arrested last time

is Franz Westmann.

Your cousin.

What do you think about that?

Nothing special.

I heard about it on the TV show.

We've been listening to Franz.

He has told us what happened

on the ground floor

in Sacriage's apartment.

And now it's time for you to tell us

what happened.

I have nothing to say.

What do you mean by that?

I have nothing to say.

Would you let his version be uncanny?

He says that you are on the ground floor

in Sacriage's apartment.

What happened?

I didn't think so.

But I think it's weird

why he would say that.

That's what I'm wondering.

Why would he say that

if it wasn't true?

I haven't been there.

You should have beaten up Sacriage

in your face.

I haven't done that.

What have you done?

Nothing.

I was at home.

I haven't been to his apartment.

If we go back to

Freda and Lördag

that weekend,

I've understood

that you sleep over

with your cousins.

That's right.

How do you talk about Sacriage

during these days?

I don't like her.

It's...

It's not special.

And who are we?

It's me, Franz.

Because you have

decided to hurt Sacriage.

No, not in that way.

Tell us about it.

No comment.

Anis,

tell us about the plan

during these days.

Tell us about it.

I have nothing to say.

Does it mean

that they don't have

any part

or that you don't want to comment

on it in any way?

How am I going to keep quiet?

What are you thinking about?

As I mentioned earlier,

it has happened that

you have decided to hit Sacriage,

and you are also going to

have decided to stab someone.

What have you done?

Nothing.

Sacriage even said

that the year you were at the

Juttonstiegen.

What have I done?

Tell us what you did then.

No comment.

The clothes you had on you,

you who were at the Juttonstiegen,

what happened to them?

No comment.

Tell us about the knifes

that you took to Juttonstiegen.

I don't know.

Some knifes.

I don't know how to talk about them.

In the latest news,

you got to see a picture of a knif.

A knif that we have

in hand.

Tell us about this knif.

As I said before,

I have no idea

what that knif is about.

As I told you earlier,

on this knif,

there is Anis and

Sakaria's DNA.

On that one?

Yes.

And it has done more research.

And then there was your DNA

on this knif.

But...

I don't know how to do anything about it.

No.

It sounds quite strange

that you don't know that.

Yes.

How is this knif

on Juttonstiegen?

I don't know.

You have listened

to the other part of 5.

In the upcoming parts,

you will hear,

among other things,

this.

In the previous news,

you have found yourself

in Sakaria's town

on Juttonstiegen,

when the crime happened.

Yes, it is completely wrong.

Your father also tells you

that you have told him

that Daniel is going to tell

something similar.

Now you are going to do it

decently.

I don't think so.

Use your car

during Sunday.

Or at night.

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Utredningen av mordet på Sacarias Nordfors i februari 2023 fortskrider, och ytterligare personer häktas misstänkta för att vara involverade i hans död.

Samtliga namn och platser i serien är fingerade.

Medverkande:

Mårten Lidbom: Emil Almén

Anni Ström: Amanda Krüger

Daniel Ström: Filip Johansson

Frans Westman: Simon Carlsson

SOS-operatören: Tove Vahlne

Sacarias Nordfors: Philip Eliason

Regi: Anna Maria Granlund

Manus och research: Tove Vahlne

Originalmusik och klippning: Philip Eliason

Producent: André Christenson

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