Morbid: Episode 473: Hayward Bissell and the Murder of Patricia Booher

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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash.

And I'm Alaina.

And this is Morbid.

I did that thing where I almost said, hi, I'm Alaina.

Hi, I'm Alaina.

Just hey, I'm Alaina.

That's it.

That's that's that's welcome.

That's the that's that's that's the whoa.

That's the that on that.

Oh, yeah.

That's what I was going for.

I figured.

I figured that's what you were going for.

Just trying to help you out there first.

I could just take a sip of her iced coffee.

So she's like, you keep talking, keep going, let anyone hear me swallow that iced coffee.

Oh, God, I hate when I hate the thought of people like hearing me chew or swallow or anything.

It's true.

Um, I don't like mouth noises.

No.

And most people don't.

I don't think so.

But he's like, oh, yay, mouth noise.

Oh, yay.

A mouth noise.

My favorite.

Um, I also just needed that coffee because wow, I could not get a sentence out.

It's true.

But here we are.

It's Morbid.

Yeah.

I have a pretty tough one today.

It's it's a sad, sad story.

Oh, good.

Um, but yeah, maybe before we start, I'll just quickly say there's a TikTok account that

you guys should follow.

Oh, she's good at that.

Listen.

Yeah, I haven't done it in a while.

I haven't.

TikTok recommendation corner with Alina.

Who's who's up?

Oh, there's two actually.

What?

Two.

So, uh, my first is like for all, especially parents out there.

Oh, is it?

Annalie.

Yeah.

Annalie, A-N-A-L-E-E.

She's hilarious.

She's like the realist parent account.

She is.

You will follow.

I feel like even if you don't have kids, but like you want kids or like you're involved

in kids lives in a big way, then you'll love her.

Yeah.

She's a great follow.

I highly suggest it.

Very entertaining.

Very sweet.

And every time I watch her videos, I'm like, can we hang out though?

Like can we be mom friends?

I would really like to be.

So Annalie, if you're listening, can we be mom friends?

Can you guys be mom friends and then I can be like your non-mom friend for a little bit?

I want that.

And Annalie and a bunch of other TikTok moms hung out in like South Carolina.

I know.

One of my other couple weeks ago, mom TikToks was there.

I can't think of her name and I'm still not at that.

I lost my mind when I saw it because they were all my favorites and I was like, I want

to come.

The mom with like the super curly hair who's pregnant right now.

Oh my God.

Yes.

Cutest woman alive, funniest woman alive.

And you know what?

We'll make sure to share.

Let me see.

Yeah.

Ash is going to look for it because you got to follow these ladies because they're just

genuinely hilarious women.

They're doing awesome things.

And I highly suggest supporting the shit out of them.

I agree.

Who is the other person that you're interested in?

The other one is if you're feeling, you know, if you're feeling witchy or if you're interested

in witchiness, there's an account called Down the Witch's Way.

Oh hell yeah.

We literally just did one of their cells.

Yeah.

And he has the most soothing voice, my goodness.

A couple of books.

He has a couple of books that I have.

I purchased them because he is that good.

And he's just, you know, he's a delightful human to watch his TikToks.

And I think he needs more followers.

So I agree.

Go take a peek at it if you're feeling like you want some easy little, you know, spells

or you just want to listen to a soothing man tell you wonderful things.

This man is it.

You can do that.

You can do all of that.

Down the Witch's Way.

So good.

I love his spells.

And then the mom that I was just talking about is at the Von D fam.

It's the V-O-N-D-Y-F-A-M.

Hilarious.

And that page is so funny.

She is hilarious.

She makes up like songs and stuff.

And it just cracks me up.

It's really funny.

And again, like even if you're not a mom, but like you love kids or just a very, very

good accounts to follow, that'll just make you smile.

Exactly.

Make you laugh.

If you're looking for a laugh or looking for a smile or looking to learn some things,

those are some good pages.

So cast a fucking spell.

So you know, so do it.

Just do it.

Just do it.

I was thinking of the, does anybody remember the video where the little boy was like, so

do is it?

Just do is it?

I can't find that video anywhere now.

And we remember we used to say it all the time.

You showed me it.

Wow.

But yeah, those are a little internet recommendations of the hour.

And now that we've brought you up, we're going to bring you right down.

I don't know this one.

So I am totally in the dark.

I also hadn't heard of this one.

A couple of people requested it.

So I said, sure beans.

Totally.

Sure beans.

And then me and Dave started working on it.

And we were like, wow.

This is so tragic and terrible, but an interesting story nonetheless.

And definitely, I just want to say at the beginning of this, I have a few like mental

health things that I'm going to plug at the end.

So definitely stay tuned for those outlets.

Okay.

So we're going to be talking about Hayward Bissell today and the murder of Patricia Buer.

It is a particularly gruesome one.

So just please be warned.

So Hayward William Bissell was born March 28th, 1962 in New London, Ohio.

I think I had said you did like an Ohio case recently and I was like, oh my God, my next

one is Ohio.

Oh yeah.

But I ended up doing something before that.

So this is the Ohio one.

Yeah.

This is the one I was talking about.

But Hayward was the second of three children born to Howard and Magdalena, better known

as Maggie Bissell.

All together though, there were four children in the house actually because Maggie had brought

a son from her previous marriage.

Now Howard, he spent almost 20 years serving in the US Army before finally getting discharged

and that's when the family settled down in Ohio.

Okay.

Now once they were kind of settled, he went to work at the Ford plant in Sandusky and from

the sounds of it, Maggie stayed at home and raised the kids and I'm sure she definitely

had her hands full.

And she definitely did actually because by most accounts, Hayward was a pretty difficult

child from an early age.

A family member recalled his childhood and told reporters he was always griping.

He griped as a child and he griped as an adult.

Fun.

Yeah.

According to more family members, he also had a constant struggle with authority.

Whether it was an authority figure at home, at school, at work, he just did not want to

deal with and would not deal with any kind of authority.

That's not easy to deal with.

No.

It was probably for that very reason that it made it really difficult for him to hold

down a job.

The family later said he abhors work and avoids working.

Wow.

And his attitude made it so that he was constantly involved in some kind of conflict, some kind

of argument, always had an issue with somebody.

And that person usually for like the first half of his life was his father.

Their relationship for probably that reason, and I'm sure many others, was very, very

strained.

There was a lot of different reports about Hayward's childhood, but a lot of them were

kind of unreliable because they all said different things.

But that speculation does make a bit of sense that there was issues with the father.

And one relative wondered if Hayward's behavioral problems could have come from, or at the very

least been exacerbated by, quote, a couple of minor accidents as a child that might have

resulted in concussions.

That's always a trigger, I feel.

Yeah.

I've just been growing up in what the late 60s, early 70s, so I don't think they had

a great understanding of what that did or what that could do.

I mean, up until very recently, they would tell you to wake the kid up every hour when

they hit their head.

Right.

And now they tell you something totally different.

Oh, I didn't even realize that.

Yeah, that changed as well.

Like obviously, I'm sure there's different things, but like they tell you to like just

make sure that they rouse correctly, but you don't need to wake them up, especially not

for like a minor head, head knock, you know, that makes sense.

We were always like so crazy, like whatever the kids would like bump their head.

Oh, yeah.

We'd be like, we need to wake them up every 20 minutes.

I don't blame you though, because it's like scary.

Yeah, you're nervous.

Exactly.

Especially a new parent.

You're like, Jesus.

Oh, yeah.

Trilling off.

Well, in general, like if you think your kid whacked their head hard enough, that's really

nerve wracking.

And in fact, I'm about to say something about that.

There you go.

One incident in particular where he had fallen so hard that afterwards he told a family member,

he got down on his knees and saw a bright light.

Oh.

That's how hard he had fallen.

Oh.

So that's like definitely concussion territory.

It's pretty hard.

At the very least, if that was one concussion of many, the mental illness that kind of plagued

his life afterwards, and especially when he was an adult, I think could have started an

early childhood.

Yeah.

There certainly could have been a correlation.

I used to say.

So, by the time he reached high school, Hayward had a reputation as a difficult and sort

of hot and cold student.

And I think this was definitely during a time where people did not understand mental health

struggles.

Yeah.

And it seemed very clear that he was struggling mentally and didn't.

But it's just like he's lazy.

He's lazy.

Yeah.

He doesn't like authority.

He doesn't like this.

And I think had he gotten help, I don't think this story would have played out the way that

it did.

That's sad.

But the thing was, if he was interested in the subject, he would actually do pretty well

in the class.

But if he didn't care or wasn't interested in the subject, he would just mess around.

He would distract people in the class and he'd end up failing or just getting kicked

out.

Okay.

So, he ended up dropping out after his sophomore year, which probably had something to do with

his increasingly heavy drug use and alcohol abuse around that same time.

And that's another thing that I think, again, exacerbated the issues that probably were

already there.

Sure.

Now, in 1979, when he was 18, he enlisted in the Army.

And at first, he was stationed in Cleveland, Ohio, but he did eventually get transferred

to Germany, which is weird.

Oh, yeah.

The Joe Matheny.

You were just talking about that and he probably didn't get stationed in Germany.

Yeah.

We don't think he did, at least.

Hayward did.

Oh, that's wild.

And Joe Matheny's childhood was very like, I'm not sure exactly what happened because

there's different reports.

Yeah.

So that's interesting.

Yeah.

They're both very, they end up both being very brutal people.

Yeah, exactly.

But it was there in Germany that he trained as, this is really cool in my opinion, a motor

transport operator and a rifleman.

But strangely enough, Hayward, he didn't seem to struggle with authority as much when he

was in the Army.

I don't know if, I don't really know why that was.

Yeah, that's strange, but who's to say?

Again.

I don't know if it was just one of those things where he was like, I have to do this.

I don't really have a choice.

Yeah.

I just got to get through it and I might as well do it or if it was because he was interested

in what he was working on.

That could have been it, maybe.

Exactly.

I think it was probably all the structure involved.

I think if there's structure, that tends to help.

But not only was he staying out of trouble at this point in his life, but he was actually

succeeding in ways that he never had before.

The more and more I'm talking about this, it is kind of reminding me of Joe Matheny.

He ended up being honored two times with the Army achievement medal for excelling in specialties.

And unfortunately though, his positive experiences in the Army would be short-lived and really

the first and only time in his life where he wasn't involved in any kind of conflict

or some kind of trouble.

That sucks.

But it's so sad because it's clear that obviously he could succeed in some areas.

That's why none of these things, you can really not make sense like heads or tails of these

kind of stories because it's like, would it have stopped you?

Would it not have?

What would have taken to put you on the right path?

Is there a right path for you?

These kind of things are always just like, huh.

It's one of those things where you can argue nature.

You can argue nurture.

It's all speculation.

They're both at play.

Yeah.

It's all speculation.

Exactly.

Because who are we to say?

Who's to say?

I'm not an armchair expert like Dak Shepard.

Exactly.

But I do love that show.

Another great podcast recommendation.

True.

Same.

In 1985, Hayward was actually honorably discharged and he went back home to Ohio where he got

a job working as a security guard at a factory in Toledo, which is really fun to say.

Toledo.

Toledo.

He got another gig after that working at the Fanny Farmer Candy Factory in Norwalk.

And it wasn't long before he met a lady that struck his fancy.

Her name was Sherry Brown and they got married very quickly.

And after they got married, they moved to Norwalk, Ohio.

And a year later, they had a child together, a daughter named Crystal.

Trigger warning coming up for domestic violence.

Ooh.

The newlywed period where you're just happy to be husband and wife and everything is beautiful,

a lotty-dot-do, it did not last long for them.

Just one year after Crystal was born, Hayward started verbally and physically abusing Sherry.

That's fucked up.

Which like, I can't imagine you just have a baby with someone you think you're in love

with and then that's when they start being cruel to you, like that's when the facade

drops.

That's awful.

But things actually got so bad that she filed for and was awarded a restraining order, excuse

me, against Hayward.

But she ended up dropping the order just eight days after it was granted and she did go back.

I'm sure she was very scared.

Yeah, of course.

You never know this situation.

No.

According to her brother, Leonard, the abuse only got worse after the restraining order

was lifted.

He told a reporter from the Sandusky Register, I know he was very dominating, speaking about

Hayward, he made my sister eat food from the floor like a dog.

Oh my God.

He beat her.

He used to do lots of weird stuff.

And what's really sad is during this time, her own family was having a hard time believing

her about everything that was happening, I think because it was so, like, over and exactly

so extreme that they were like, what?

And was he putting on, like, a good front for them?

I think he must have been.

Yeah.

I'm sure he was able to.

Exactly.

Oh, God, that's awful.

So they weren't believing the details of the abuse, necessarily, and it was only after

Hayward ended up being arrested that they realized Sherry was telling them the truth

the entire time.

Oh, God, I'm that poor baby.

That poor baby having to grow up in that environment.

I didn't find anything to say that, like, she was involved, the baby, and I can only

hope that she wasn't.

Well, and I feel so bad for, like, for Sherry, for Sherry, because it's like, I'm sure

Sherry just wanted to protect that baby.

Yeah.

And it's an impossible situation.

Exactly.

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So in January of 1989, she did file for another restraining order after an argument got so

bad that he slapped her across the face and ended up throwing her into the refrigerator.

Not like inside of it, but like onto it.

You have to be like such a huge piece of shit to abuse your spouse.

100%.

Like obviously you have to be a huge piece of shit to abuse anybody, but like someone

you're supposed to love, like what the fuck is wrong with you?

Like you took vows to accept them for who they are, to love them no matter what.

And you can't handle your own anger.

Like you're that fucking, ugh, it's just like, grow up, no, it's learn to manage your

own emotions.

Go get help.

If you're having a problem regulating your emotions, you know that.

Like you realize that inside of yourself and you need to go get help.

And you need to come up with like ways to, you know, hand like regulate it, go take a

walk outside, go do something, count to 10, like figure out ways that work for you to

calm it down before you lose it on someone because that's not cool in any sense of the

word.

That's why I personally feel like everybody should just go to therapy because you figure

out ways to calm yourself down before you even know that you're pissed off about something.

It makes sense.

But it's so sad, she in the affidavit filed, Sherry wrote, he slapped me and I started

to scream.

Then he pushed me up against the wall and hit both sides of my head.

I got in the shower and told him to leave me alone.

He slapped me again on the side of the head and banged my head against the shower and

knocked me down.

Like this is what he's doing to his wife.

Well, that's the thing.

I'm just picturing her like this is the person that you love.

And I love enough to like welcome a baby into the world.

Stuff always really stresses me out to here because it's just like, I can't, like the

fear that must come with that and the loneliness, I can't imagine.

The fear, the loneliness, the lack of trust that you would have in your next relationship

if you even trusted somebody enough to get into one a second time.

I just feel bad that anybody goes through that.

It's just fucked up.

But so she ended up filing for another restraining order, like I said.

And this time, once it was granted, she had no fucking intention of dropping it or going

back.

And she was going to up the ante this time because she filed for divorce.

Good.

Now, at first, when he was served the divorce papers, Hayward was in shock.

Yeah.

I'm like, you were really, you were really shocked by this news.

He told Sherry's brother, Leonard, I can't understand after so many years of loving

her, why she wants to divorce me.

Like you have been married three years and it sounds like you made a majority of those

years a living hell for her.

Like you did not love her.

Love is not hitting somebody repeatedly in the face.

And also he was trying to kind of like fuck with her name.

And he was constantly accusing her of having an affair with one of her friends.

And she was like, I'm not having an affair.

And another report made to the Norwalk Police Leonard, her brother there, claimed

Hayward is telling people in front of me and to me that Sherry is gay and she left

him for another woman, a woman, which I can say she's not.

What's like, why are you just making random stuff up on her?

Like just go your separate ways, man.

That's the thing.

But either way, regardless of all his protests and claims of Sherry being

stepping out on him and everything, the divorce was granted on March 29th, 1989.

And luckily Sherry was awarded full custody of Crystal.

I was going to say, I'm very glad that she was able to get out of there because

sometimes that is the most dangerous.

Most of the time that is the most dangerous part of the whole thing.

Absolutely.

Is when you file or when you plan to.

Well, what makes me sad is so she did get full custody of Crystal, but a few

weeks after everything was finalized, the agreement was modified and Hayward

actually ended up getting granted custody on alternate weekends and holidays,

which she must have been terrified to send her daughter over there.

How do you let a child be with any person who is violent, especially toward women?

And it's his daughter, it's like, no matter what, of which way it goes.

If that other person is violent and has been proven to be violent,

they should not be able to be around that child unless it's supervised and

like they're in a program getting help.

Exactly.

So the divorce seemed to settle the conflict between Sherry and Hayward.

I think they must have just gone their separate ways and kind of let the court

handle it from the sounds of it, which I think in that situation was the best way to go.

But at the same time, it definitely marked a downward spiral for Hayward into

more violence, more bizarre behavior that hinted at bigger mental health problems to come.

In 1990, his parents moved from Ohio to Florida and their relationship for like

the past couple of years with him had gotten increasingly strained, especially leading

up to their move.

But at the same time, they were also the only people he had to lean on when it came

to managing his symptoms and his symptoms were getting worse and worse.

Yeah.

So once they were gone, the changes in him were completely undeniable.

And his life, it just became like a series of bizarre events, threatening events.

He was having violent exchanges with people, acquaintances, friends, doctors,

strangers sometimes.

And he didn't really have anybody around him at this point to like get him into a program.

I was going to say.

And he was like, it's really tanking here.

It's getting worse.

Now, it was during this time that he was, like I'm saying right now, showing decline.

And in late 1991, his landlord at the Dreamland Motel where he ended up living called

the police and reported that Hayward made multiple strange and frightening threats.

According to the landlord, Hayward stole the landlord's mail and cut it up into little pieces.

And he said he did this because he was convinced that his landlord was returning his

mail, like Hayward's mail, to the post office.

And the landlord was like, no, I'm not doing that at all.

Like I haven't touched his mail.

Seeing it's these kind of things, these like strange behaviors that are always the things

that it's like.

It's leading up to something.

Someone's radar would go up.

But again, and especially in this country, mental health is not where it needs to be

like to be remedied.

You know what I mean?

Like it's not easy to get resources.

It's like stigmatized.

It still sucks.

People don't want to admit sometimes.

Like what they're going through because of the state and not everyone has access to the

help they need or the help that would the help that would stop somebody from going down

these kind of paths.

And sadly, right now, especially like in America, we're in such a mental health crisis

right now after the pandemic.

Beds aren't available.

Psychiatrists aren't available.

It's fucked.

Like it's sad.

Yeah, it really is.

I really hope that some of the sources that I ended up putting in the bottom, if anybody

is going through something, I hope that they can find help there because I feel like therapists

are probably overrun right now.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean?

I can't imagine how their mental health is going like with their caseloads, you know?

Exactly.

My therapist that I used to see said that she had a therapist herself.

Oh, I'm sure.

And like, I can't imagine having to take on all of those problems and then be like, and

like not internalize them, you know?

Of course.

But during this incident where the cutting up of the mail was going on, the landlord

called his wife into the room to be a witness of the exchange.

And at that point, Hayward told the couple, and this is like racist, so trigger warning.

He said, I don't like people from foreign countries.

I'm going to kill one of them when it gets dark.

I'm going to hurt somebody.

I'm going to hurt them or their children.

So that's when the landlord called the police.

Oh, thank goodness.

They took that step.

Yeah.

But shortly before this incident with his landlord, Hayward's second wife, Teresa, she

started noticing a dramatic shift in his behavior because he got married a second time.

They got married in 1991.

And just after the wedding, like he had with his first wife, he started abusing her, getting

argumentative, picking fights, and then started making weird threats or just being

generally menacing.

Now, weirdly, the abusive behavior was not the main cause for the end of their relationship.

What really ended the relationship was Hayward's slow shift toward isolation.

And he was becoming like very obsessive about his environment.

He wanted to control everything in the environment.

According to Teresa, Hayward, quote, got to where he never wanted to go out.

And he was very particular about putting things where they belonged.

He wanted everything done in his way.

So they went their separate ways because of this, but they actually never formally

divorced. Oh, wow.

Isn't that interesting?

Yeah.

They were technically still married, but very much separated when Hayward started

dating Patricia Buer years later.

So in the years that followed the breakdown of Hayward's second marriage and kind of

like the incidents where he was living, he was hospitalized for mental health

treatment several times and, quote, with the diagnosis usually listed as paranoid

schizophrenia, which is really sad.

His symptoms almost always included acute paranoia.

And he believed that people were either watching him, following him or bugging his

apartment.

That's so scary.

It is.

And one of the instances he told doctors, quote, he had been given truth serum and a

shot and a candy.

And then in another, he told his doctors, he believed that, quote, his alarm clock

and his mind were being controlled by satellites and said that certain people in

town were trying to bite off his penis.

Wow.

So he was really, really going through it.

But the thing was more often than not, the periods where he was hospitalized, they

were actually him volunteering to get help and like going into these programs.

Like the, the first move was initiated by Hayward himself.

And it was amazing that he was willing to get help, but because of the state of his

mental health, he didn't always want to stay once he got there.

And while the doctors maybe wanted him to stay longer, there wasn't a lot they

could do back then because this, all of this was a voluntary basis.

And what only exacerbated things further was that he was prescribed medicine to

manage his symptoms, but he didn't always take it consistently because he doesn't

have like an aid that lives with him.

He doesn't have a doctor that's coming out to check on him routinely.

It's just him or just anyone that's like around him taking care of that.

Yeah.

He doesn't have anybody.

So that was obviously going to lead to a lot of bigger issues.

This whole story is really sad for everybody.

Yeah, truly.

No, in the late nineties, he was living in Greenwich, Ohio, and he was having a lot

of run-ins with the police.

I think it's Greenwich.

It might be Greenwich, but I said Greenwich.

Yeah.

Cause we have a Greenwich here.

We do.

Yeah.

So he was having frequent run-ins with the police during this time.

There was a lot of sudden outbursts.

There was a lot of inappropriate behavior going on.

And he actually got to know the police chief, Randall Kilgore, pretty well.

And because of this, Randall actually recognized Hayward symptoms of mental

illness.

And I think he kind of like would keep tabs on him a little more because he knew

that he was by himself.

Now, on one occasion, Hayward walked into this officer's office and reported

that something evil had taken hold of him.

He said he couldn't tell the chief what it was because it was quote unquote

confidential.

And that was actually his second run-in with Hayward that same day.

The first run-in was when Hayward was discovered sitting in the front seat of

the mayor's car in the like city hall parking lot.

Oh my.

So clearly this was escalating.

Yeah.

And the thing was for the most part, aside from the struggles within the

marriage and the domestic abuse afterwards, his behavior was strange and it was

off-putting for residents in the small town, but it was usually just minor

disturbances that were going on.

But in December of 1998, that all changed when police in Newark, Ohio, received

a call about a man with a gun causing problems at a place called Nick Saloon.

Oh boy.

Now, when the officers arrived at the bar, they were approached by a man who said

somebody else in the parking lot had been following his car closely for miles

and he didn't know why.

Now, when they approached the driver of the other vehicle, it turned out to be

Hayward Bissell and he told the officers he couldn't tell them why he was

following this man.

He said, again, it's confidential.

Oh boy.

So in his mind, he was on these like missions basically, but obviously it was

due to the schizophrenia that he was suffering from.

So in the spring of 1999, he was hospitalized again after a small fire on

the stove of his apartment set off the fire alarms in that apartment in

Greenwich and he told the investigators he'd been smoking pot and that

interacted with his already prescribed medication and the fire started because

he fell asleep with a pot still on the stove.

Oh.

Now, when he woke up, whatever was in the pot had caught fire and he ended up

with a burn on his arm.

So he got treated for the burn and while he was being treated, he definitely

seemed to be kind of out of it and the doctors were very concerned about his

behavior.

So he got admitted for a psychiatric evaluation and treatment.

Now, during this inpatient stay, Hayward told his doctors that it was actually

federal agents that had set fire in his apartment and he said that the

government was taking away his special powers.

So he's starting to really go through it.

Yeah.

But sadly, that was another short stay in the hospital that didn't really do

much to alleviate his symptoms and in no time he was out again and left to his

own devices.

Now, later that spring, one of his former girlfriends actually introduced him to

a woman named Patricia, better known as Patty Buer.

Like Hayward, she had a pretty difficult life.

In her case, though, it was for very different reasons.

She grew up in Olena, Ohio and she spent a lot of her early year surrounded

by family, but she did not come from the best family.

One of her family members was sexually abusing her until the abuse was discovered

and they went to prison for it.

But at school and in the community, she was very well liked.

She did struggle with cognitive impairments and at school, she was identified

as a student with special needs.

So she had people at school and in the community that looked out for her a

little bit more.

Yeah.

But because of what she felt like were impairments, she was self-conscious and

kind of shy around other people.

Now, as she got older, she became a lot more scared of men in particular, I think

because of what she had gone through.

Yeah.

Her diaries from the mid to late 90s suggest that she'd gone through a lot of

traumatic events that caused her to form these negative associations with men

and intimacy and all that kind of stuff.

Now, those negative experiences were probably triggered again in 1994, when

her father, Vernon, was arrested for sexually abusing two girls that lived nearby.

He was a terrible, terrible man.

He literally had bad to the bone tattooed on his forehead.

And when he got arrested, it was almost like he was proud to admit what he had done.

Oh, that's fucking disgusting.

Fucking horrible.

Throw him in a dank cave.

And it's unclear whether or not he had sexually abused Patty as well.

But either way, his behavior had to have made her fears and her trauma even worse.

When he was evaluated for a sex offender treatment program, this is how much of a

monster he was.

He failed to meet the criteria, quote, because he did not have the mental

capacity to meaningfully engage in it.

What?

Like they couldn't, they were like, he cannot be helped.

Like he needs to be in prison.

Wow.

He cannot be reformed.

Wow.

That's how fucked up this is.

That's horrifying.

Now, at the same time, so Patty had all these diary entries where there was a clear

clear signs that she was like very afraid of men and nervous about intimacy and stuff

like that.

Yeah.

But at the same time, there were other ones where she was longing for affection and

attention from a partner.

Like, of course.

Cause she probably just wanted it to feel like, feel right.

Yeah, like exactly.

Feel right.

You know, she was like, I want this, but I, but not like this and this is all she's

ever really known is people taking advantage of her.

Um, but unfortunately, and I mean, most likely because of the trauma that she'd

experienced, she kind of struggled when it came to distinguishing positive

attention from negative.

Yeah.

And she had a tendency to put, this had a tendency to put her in the company of

abusive or manipulative men.

That's sad.

It is.

Her own beddie took advantage of that.

Of course.

Absolutely.

It's fucked up.

Yeah.

Her aunt, Betty would later say she was never a very good judge of character when

it came to boyfriends.

And it's like, I just wish that she had more people to help her out, you know,

more people for backup, being like, Hey, I don't know about that one.

Yeah.

But by December 1999, Patty had been dating, uh, Hayward for a few months and

she was feeling very optimistic about their future.

She wrote in one diary entry, there is a man in my life that I love with all

my heart and soul, but then she goes on in other entries to say things about

them hadn't been going so well lately around this December 1999 period.

And she was wondering at this point, if it was time for them to split up.

Oh, geez.

But she almost always, she almost seemed like empowered in later entries when

she wanted to get away from Hayward.

It was like she wanted more for herself and she was, it almost seemed like she

was realizing that she could get more for herself and convincing herself that

she was worth it.

Yeah.

She said, I can't go on depressed anymore.

I feel like I have received a wonderful blessing.

I'm in touch with myself now.

Oh, so it seemed like she was kind of getting there.

Yeah.

Now by the winter, she was still unsure about her relationship with Hayward.

On one hand, she was very determined to build a positive future for herself that

didn't involve volatile or abusive men or people taking advantage of her.

Yeah.

But then on the other hand, she still wanted a partner.

She still wanted somebody to love her.

And she also really wanted to start a family, which is awful.

And the latter feeling, I think definitely explains why she was hesitant to break

things off with Hayward.

Yeah.

But still the fact that the relationship was having struggles was clear, especially

to her family.

One of her cousins, Rebecca, later pointed out, usually when she had a boyfriend,

she would bring him over here.

She never brought him over here talking about Hayward.

Yeah.

In the six months that Patti and Hayward Bissell dated, multiple, multiple of

her friends and acquaintances warned her that he did have a history of erratic

threatening and violent behavior.

And they were like, we're worried about you.

Yeah.

But she was either unable to or didn't want to see these issues.

Yeah.

She was very committed to making things work.

And by January 2000, she was even more determined to make things work because

she had achieved her dream of starting a family.

She was pregnant.

Now on January 22nd, she called a ton of her friends to let them know that she

was pregnant, that she and Hayward were expecting.

They were more than likely confused and very concerned about this because things

weren't going well at this point.

Patti had actually told him, told her friends on numerous occasions right

before this, that she was planning on breaking things off with him.

He was controlling, he was critical, he was abusive to her at times, and she was

usually afraid of him.

Oh, that's awesome.

So her friends were really worried.

But every time she tried to break things off, he would do something.

Say something that convinced her to stay.

Yep.

And now there was another person involved in all of this.

So she wanted to make this work.

Now, this is where the story kind of gets a little bit confusing.

It's kind of unclear what happened here because they go on a road trip.

So what we can assume is that Hayward must have wanted to tell his parents

the news in person and he told him that he and his girlfriend, Patti, were going

to take a trip down to Florida to see them.

They actually hadn't seen Hayward in like five years at this point.

Oh, wow.

And they didn't know why he was coming to see them.

They just all of a sudden heard that he was coming and they were excited to see him.

Okay.

Um, Hayward, excuse me, Howard, the father later told the Sandusky register.

We expected him to visit, but he never showed.

Hmm.

So later, while he was being held at the county jail, Hayward would tell

investigators that Patti didn't know where they were going.

She just knew they were going for a drive.

Oh, jeez.

So she wasn't prepared.

Remember they're in Ohio and they're driving to Florida.

She wasn't prepared for this and she's pregnant.

So they left Ohio on the afternoon of January 22nd and that day they made it as

far as Chattanooga, Tennessee.

And that night they stopped for the night at a motel, but they didn't have any

money to pay for a room.

So they slept in their car in the parking lot.

Okay.

Now the next morning they woke up to some pretty gnarly weather.

There was an ice storm the night before that had passed through.

So everything was covered in a thin sheet of ice, which was going to make

the drive more dangerous to finish.

And because of that, Hayward was very on edge because he was like

irritated about the weather conditions.

And to make things worse, he was already irritated before this with Patti.

He was mad because she hadn't brought any money along for the trip.

I'm sorry, dude, what the fuck are you doing?

And also you didn't tell her that you were going on a trip.

She had no idea where you were going.

You thought you were going on a drive.

She probably thought you were going to get fucking ice cream or something.

Like what the hell?

She has, she was not prepared for this.

No, of course not.

But I think he must have been in a mental state where that was not computing.

Like this, this was all just a disaster, truly a traumatic disaster.

But that, again, she didn't even know they were going to be gone overnight.

Yeah.

So he's mad that she doesn't have money.

He's mad about the weather conditions and he just starts driving kind of aimlessly.

He was looking for a Western Union so that he could ask his parents to send

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Now, eventually they reach Somerville, Georgia.

It's a small town not too far from the Alabama border.

And it was there that they stopped for coffee at a Burger King around 7 30 in the morning.

And when Hayward pulled up to the drive through window,

he asked the lady at the register whether there was a flea market in town

where he could buy, quote, weapons, guns, knives and stuff.

Oh, and she told him that there was a flea market,

but that they didn't sell weapons at the market.

And she said you could probably kind of find something of that sort

at the local pawn shop, like one of the pawn shops.

What a strange interaction.

Yeah, I can't imagine at 7 30 in the morning being asked that question.

I can't imagine being asked that question really ever.

No, and especially not at a Burger King.

No, definitely not.

Fucking love Burger King.

But he told her a pawn shop would take too long to deal with.

So she was like, OK, I would try maybe one of the markets just over the border.

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you guys.

Exactly. She's like, I'm just here to give you coffee.

So she was like, yeah, like cross the border in Alabama, find one of the markets.

Here's some kind of rough directions.

No, after that, Hayward drove around for a while

until he spotted a woman who was driving a green Nissan Maxima.

And for some reason, he started following her as she drove.

And then she pulled into her driveway at her house

and he pulled in closely behind her and just sat there with the car idling

in the driveway. So the woman kind of called out to them and was like,

hey, like, do you need help?

Like, what's going on?

But he just sat in the car just staring at her, not saying anything.

And she was like, what do you guys want?

And finally, Hayward said that they were lost.

But just as he was about to say something else,

the woman's cat tried to get out of her house.

So she reached down to grab the cat and she just went back inside

and like locked the door and didn't come back out.

Yeah, I think she was.

And that's why she was like that.

I almost think she was like, OK, I think this happened for a reason.

Let me go inside. Yeah.

Let me go inside the door.

Yeah, like something between us here.

Something about this interaction didn't feel right.

It wouldn't feel right to me.

Wouldn't feel right to me.

So Hayward and Patty sat in the stranger's driveway

for a couple more minutes, and then Hayward just randomly pulled back out

and started heading back the same way that they had come.

So now they're backtracking.

He never said why he followed this woman or what his plan was.

But I guess it's possible that he just needed directions.

I also think it's possible that he was going to hurt her.

Oh, yeah, this is just scary in all ways.

Yeah, I don't like it.

I thought you were saying it's scary in all ways.

And so I was waiting in all ways.

It's scary. It's fucking terrifying.

So the woman at the Burger King, like I said,

she kind of just gave him general directions to find the market.

But now at this point, he's probably forgotten what she even said.

He has no idea where he's going and he's only getting more and more.

I was going to say he's getting angry. Exactly.

So eventually they made their way back to Somerville, Georgia,

where Hayward stopped the car in the middle of an intersection

and just sat there again with the engine idling.

So two women who happened to be out for a walk went up to the car

and said, like, oh, like, do you need any help?

Like you're arguing in an intersection.

Yeah, exactly.

And he said, no, I don't need any help.

I'm letting the transmission cool down in the middle of an intersection.

And they were like, OK, Doki, we're going to go about our way.

But later, those women would tell investigators

that during this exchange, Patty looked very upset.

They said that she was huddled up in the passenger seat

and she looked like she'd been crying.

Oh, that breaks my heart. It breaks my heart.

The story I told you is gut-wrenching.

Multiple other people that same day would have would report

having strange interactions with Hayward that afternoon.

And it was especially while he was driving around the Somerville area.

He was just stopping at various points to get coffee

and asking bizarre questions or doing bizarre things,

stopping to use the bathroom and doing the same thing.

And then around three p.m., he became very suspicious of Patty

and he demanded to know he said to her, are you double or seven or the devil?

Oh, no. Yeah, this is a huge break in reality.

It's a very, very big break in reality.

And by that point, it was clear he had come to believe

that Patty was either a double agent.

This is a quote, a double agent or a black witch,

like meaning dabbling in like the black arts.

Yeah. And at this point,

he was determined to, quote, unquote, get rid of her. Oh, no.

So shortly after accusing her of being a witch,

he claimed that he asked Patty if she knew where they were.

And she answered, telling him that they were in Georgia.

And at that point, he absolutely lost it on her.

He went full break from reality.

It's going to get really intense here.

If you want to tap out of this, I understand.

Here we go.

At that point, all of a sudden, he just reached into the back seat,

grabbed a knife from the floor and cut Patty's throat.

Just that abruptly out of it.

God, absolutely nowhere.

And he would later tell his cellmate, I was just following orders.

I was her supervisor.

She was lying, so I terminated her.

Oh, boy. Like he did not have any understanding.

It's horrible.

But the murder set Hayward Bissell off

on what he described to his cellmate as a rampage.

Like we're not even done yet.

The autopsy findings would later note

that Patty's lower right leg was severed at the knee.

Her left hand was severed at the wrist. Oh, my God.

And, quote, portions of her left lung, liver and stomach were removed.

Removed. Removed.

The cause of death was the sharp force injury to her neck,

meaning the first attack is what killed her

and everything else happened after she'd been killed.

So she didn't have to experience that luckily, but her body did.

Now, the autopsy also noted more than 30 stab wounds to her eyes, her eyes,

the bridge of her nose and several sharp force injuries to her chest.

He he was gone at this point, like on another level.

That's wow.

And later, when the crime scene technicians processed this vehicle,

they found blood on nearly every surface of the interior.

I believe that.

And there were even spots on the exterior of the car.

Now, they think the murder most likely took place in the parking lot of

the discount food mart, a food mart, excuse me, in Fort Payne, Alabama,

which is a small town that is just across the border from Georgia.

That afternoon, two men were leaving the store parking lot

and they saw Hayward outside of the car with his doors open.

And they said he stared at them menacingly as he as they drove past.

And just as they were by the side of Bissell's car,

he grabbed Patty's head up by the hair, held it up.

And they said as though he were proud to display what he had done.

What the fuck?

Yeah. Are you kidding me?

No. Oh, just really bad.

This sounds like a horror movie.

I was going to say this literally sounds like a horrible.

This is awful. It's just so sad.

Now, obviously, they were shocked and terrified and sped the fuck out of there.

Yeah. So obviously, Patty's murder was completely senseless,

insanely brutal, and both of those factors suggest that Hayward Bissell

had become dangerously paranoid at this point.

Like, like we've said this whole time, it reached a breaking point on this day.

Now, even what he did in the aftermath shows that he was not operating under a sane mind.

He believed that he needed to report what he had done to Patty to his supervisors.

So he strapped Patty back into the passenger seat

and left that food mart parking lot and headed in the direction of Georgia.

He drove about 12 miles until he got to the small town of Mentone, Alabama.

And there he pulled into a stranger's driveway and just got out of the car.

Oh, God.

Now, it was January 23rd.

It was one day after he had left and James and Sue Pumphrey were at their home in Mentone.

Multiple people in their neighborhood actually that day

had lost power and water from the ice storms that I had talked about.

They lost power actually the night before.

So James and Sue had spent their afternoon

cleaning, collecting and distributing plastic jugs of water to their to their neighbors that afternoon.

And they got all the water from a nearby natural spring.

Like just went out and did that for their community.

So when Hayward, a total stranger to them, pulled into the driveway,

their two dogs started losing it.

And James looked out the window to see what was going on.

And he said, that's when he saw this large man coming up the driveway toward the house.

Now, he would have never opened the door

if he actually had a very clear view of Hayward, who was completely blood soaked.

But he didn't see that.

And again, he also especially wouldn't have opened the door to somebody

who had rammed open the gate at the end of the driveway.

Oh, is that what he did? That's what he did.

But from where he was standing, James didn't see either of those things.

So being the kind and helpful person he was,

he stepped out onto the porch to offer this stranger help, just thinking like,

oh, maybe this is someone in my neighborhood.

Yeah, like maybe they lost power and I just don't know.

Maybe they heard we're handing out water and they need some, you know.

So the first thing that struck James and his wife, Sue, as unusual,

was how aggravated the dogs were by this man's presence.

They were two chocolate labs and they always liked people.

They never showed aggression to strangers.

Labs will always tell you.

They will always tell you if it's a bad person.

And they sure did.

James was shocked when Hayward got close and one of the labs actually snapped at him.

Oh, see, they don't fuck around.

Like the dogs had never done that before.

And he was like, oh, this makes me nervous.

That's why I love my little girls because they will they will always tell you

who's a bad person. Exactly.

I love them so much.

But from what James could see from the porch, it just looked like

or it looked like Hayward had struck back hard at the dog

and sent her running back in the direction of the house.

So he spun around to see what had happened and called out to Hayward.

Did my dog bite you?

Like he was like, what the fuck is going on?

And when he turned back around,

Hayward was standing right in front of him and just punched him in the stomach.

Oh, my God.

Just out of nowhere.

He later, James later told reporters because just know he survives this attack,

which is insane. Oh, thank goodness.

He said, his hands were so big, I didn't even see the knife.

He stabbed him.

So he had stabbed him.

Stabbed him. Holy shit.

Everything happened so fast,

he didn't even realize that he'd been stabbed until he looked down

and saw that blood was pouring out of his stomach.

So he backed up toward the front door and Hayward continued walking towards him.

But just then the wife, Sue, called out

and it actually distracted Hayward for a second.

So he, James screams to his wife to stay where she is. Oh, my God.

But just as that he was doing that, the dogs ran out to the porch

and they started attacking Hayward, protecting their owners.

Of course, because he hurt his person.

I do want to give you a trigger warning for animal abuse.

So James and Sue, they were able to close their door

and they were able to protect themselves.

But now Hayward was left outside with their two dogs. Oh, no.

While he fought off the dogs, James managed to get a rifle

and actually fired a warning shot before aiming the gun at Hayward.

So he gave him a warning.

But now Hayward had opened up the front door

and was standing in front of the couple at this point.

So James later said, I fired once.

Then I pointed at him and it jammed. Oh, my God.

Because I was like, honestly, I'm so glad he's armed right now.

He said, you come any closer and I'll kill you.

And then he said that Hayward started hollering.

Don't shoot me and ran off. OK, you just stabbed him.

You just pull you broke through his.

You drove your car through his front gate.

You stabbed him.

You hurt one of his dogs.

You started fighting his dogs and now you're standing in his living room

and he has no fucking idea who you are.

But once Hayward left, the couple was able to survey the damage of what had gone on.

James had a large knife wound to his stomach and was still bleeding heavily.

And their dogs, Reese and Coco had been killed.

Hayward killed these two dogs.

James actually had to be hospitalized twice due to this attack.

And he ended up being out of work for months afterwards.

And on top of that, they were incredibly traumatized.

I can't even imagine.

This just happened randomly out of the blue.

Sue later said, I'll never forget his face and I'll never forget his eyes.

That's what caught my attention with everything going on so quickly.

His eyes were just unreal.

It was like he didn't have a soul.

Oh, my God, that's so terrifying.

But they credit their survival entirely to Reese and Coco.

I was literally just going to say, what an awful end to this.

But it would have been much worse if those dogs weren't there.

Absolutely, those dogs like protected their heads, protected them and stopped him briefly.

Like, yeah, it's insane.

I just I wish that they had not been killed.

I wish they'd survived.

But Sue said, if it weren't for our dogs, we wouldn't be here.

They saved our lives.

They were our angels.

That's going to make me cry.

I know I hated that I had to include that, especially when you have two labs.

But Hayward Bissell left the Pumphrey's driveway

and headed out to Alabama Highway 117, heading towards Georgia.

So he is in this state of mind still.

He has killed his girlfriend, who is still in the car.

Still in the car.

He has killed two dogs, attacked a man and is back out on the road.

So it was late afternoon when he drove up behind Rea and Donald Perch.

They were a couple driving through Menton on their way home.

Rea Perch barely even noticed the Lincoln town car that was riding their bumper

until she felt their car get bumped from behind.

Oh, Jesus.

So she figured the other driver must have just had a patch of black ice

because, remember, ice storm and she figured, oh, it was just an accident.

So she pulled off to the side of the road and started getting out of the car

when her husband stopped her and said he would get out to exchange

information with the other driver.

So she rummaged through the glove compartment

as Donald walked around to the driver's side window.

And then inside of the car, she felt another jolt

and heard, quote, a sickening crunch as Don began to shout.

When she looked up, she saw her husband

holding on to the hood of the Lincoln that had bumped them.

And the driver was speeding off.

Oh, my God.

It turned out that the bumper of Hayward's car

had struck Donald in the legs, which made it so that he couldn't fall beneath the car.

Luckily. Luckily.

He was able to grab the hood and pull himself up onto it.

So he's literally holding on to this man's car.

He said, I was two feet from his face yelling, stop, stop, what are you doing?

Why are you doing this?

All while he drove me about 200 feet down the road.

What the fuck?

He is holding on to this man's car for dear life.

He was just driving with his wife a minute ago.

Just my God. Normal day.

So in response to Donald's yelling, apparently, this is what Donald said.

Hayward only stared at him and gave him an obscene hand gesture.

What the fuck?

Like he is not here right now, and he jerked the steering wheel,

which sent Donald flying off the hood of the car to land in a ditch.

Months later, he recounted Donald, recounted the story for a local paper

and told them at first I thought he was just mad.

But when I looked into his eyes, I saw that he was a madman.

Wow. Now, wildly.

Donald never even noticed Patty's mutilated body in the passenger seat.

Because he probably because hanging on to the hood of the car.

But he told repeat a reporter, excuse me.

All I saw was his eyes.

I never saw the cut up girl next to him because he was probably focused

directly on the driver, just being like, what the fuck?

And holding on. Yeah, just trying to hold on to the car.

So Rhea ran to her husband, who was now lying in the ditch with a broken leg,

two broken wrists and a shattered knee.

But he waved her off.

He was like, you need to get off the highway and flag or you need to go down

the highway and flag somebody down for help. Oh, my God.

So she's running down Highway 117.

And luckily, she locates a man named Walter Pollen,

who was working on on his field on his tractor that day.

He called to look out mountain fire and rescue,

and they then returned to the ditch where Donald was laying.

And in the meantime, another couple, James McCray and his wife,

were passing Rhea and Donald's car and they saw Donald.

So they pull over to stop and help.

Now, James McCray sees the state that Donald is in and he's like, OK,

like you need to call 911 to his wife.

Now, that was like the one of many calls

that the now to County 911 dispatchers were getting about this hit and run.

Now, like their phones are ringing off the hook.

So as Rea, Walter Pollen and the McCrays gathered around Donald

waiting for the ambulance to arrive.

Rea notices the Lincoln Town car come back into view.

Heyward Bissell's car. Oh, my God.

It was hurling toward them, like speeding toward them.

And before anybody knew what was happening,

Heyward rammed his car into Walter Pollen's tractor.

Oh, my God.

And then slammed the car in reverse and aimed it instead at the group.

What that now had jumped into the ditch

all together to protect Don and to get away from the car.

Oh, my God. And it's all these like strangers

just trying to protect this guy, like people working together.

Exactly. Jesus.

So he paused for like several what they said were very long seconds.

Yeah, I can imagine.

And then put the car in drive and started speeding toward them.

These five strangers just laying in a ditch together.

God, they were all sure.

How is this real?

That's the thing, it sounds like a horrible, horrible movie.

But they were like, OK, we're going to die like in that moment.

Yeah.

But he swerved at the last minute and took off.

So he was doing that just to terrorize them.

He's terrorizing them.

Exactly.

So now police and emergency

responders are making their way to this accident at the scene of the accident

scene on the side, Jesus, of Highway 117.

And Menton's police chief, Ken Busby,

he was at a nearby gas station filling up his car for the day.

He was actually off duty.

It was his day off.

But he went out to survey the damage from the ice storm

and wanted to see what he could help to do around town.

So it's just a bunch of helpful people around here.

I know, like community.

Jeez. So while he was paying for his gas,

he heard the Bolo alert about the Silver Lincoln town car

that had fled the scene of a hit and run and was now making its way towards Georgia.

And he's like, OK, I think I should get to it.

So he hops in his car, thinking that he might be able to help now at the scene.

And he heads out on the road in the direction of 117.

Now, he only made it about a quarter of a mile down the road

when he spotted the Lincoln town car.

Damn. Heyward Bissell barreling down the road now in his direction.

So Heyward's speeds pass past Bugsby

and Bugsby managed to spot his license plate number and called in to the dispatch.

So before he knew it, Heyward found himself at a crossroads in the road.

At this point now, he is blocked in all directions by patrol cars

because they come running out and their drivers are all standing around him

with their guns drawn and aimed at him like this is a standoff.

So he revs the engine as this is happening

and tries to drive the car directly in front of them.

But he only went a few feet and one of the officers was shouting,

don't do it, don't do it.

And he revved the engine again, but then stopped the car.

So officers approached the vehicle and they yank the driver's door open.

They were fully intending to yank him from behind the from behind the wheel.

But they struggled to get him.

He's a very big guy. Yeah.

Now, while several officers are struggling to subdue this guy,

they're realizing he's covered in blood.

Yeah. And other people are like, the other officers

are realizing that there's a ton of damage to this vehicle.

And so one of them went inside to put the gear shift into park.

And that's when he saw the bloody knife for the first time

and realized that there was another person in this car.

And this person, this officer said it actually took a few seconds

for him to fully process what he was looking at

until his brain started to register that it was Patty's brutalized body

in human remains.

He said, I thought it was a mannequin at first.

It was such an unreal thing to see.

You know, it's it's so wild that everybody always says that.

I thought it was a mannequin. I thought it was a doll.

And it's like so.

And I'm always like, it's never a mannequin.

It's never a doll.

But I'm like, your first thought would never be that's a real person.

No, that's a real thing.

You know what I mean?

Like, especially my first instinct is always like, it's never.

It's not a mannequin ever like it ever is.

But I'm like, I would think the same thing.

Why would I ever think that that's a brutalized human body?

Excuse me, I was taking a sip of water,

especially in the state that Patty was in.

Exactly. She had literally been decapitated

and he's holding up her head at one point.

Like, that's awful.

It's insane.

It's this story is so scary.

So once he was removed from the car,

Hayward was actually mostly compliant with the officers. Wow.

They began to search him and he was letting them

and Sheriff's Deputy Lamar Hackworth later said

his arms were totally covered with blood as well as his shirt and pants.

And this officer also noted that Hayward seemed to be covering his shirt pocket

like he was hiding something in there.

So the officer reached for the pocket to check what he was hiding.

This is gruesome.

And one of the other officers told him to leave it

and let them finish searching him at the station.

But if Lamar Hackworth had searched Bissell's pocket at that point,

what he would have discovered was a large portion of Patty's esophagus.

What her esophagus part of it was in his shirt pocket.

I don't know what I thought was in there, but that is not on the list.

No. What the fuck?

This is, I think, the most brutal case that I have ever heard.

Yeah, like at least one of them in terms of, yeah.

This is doing this one was really difficult.

Yeah, this is horrifying.

So, yeah, as the police began the booking process,

investigators started putting together the pieces of what they discovered

and realized this wasn't just a hit and run, but that they were actually now

dealing with three separate crimes and this one person was behind all of them.

So the county district attorney,

Mike O'Dell told reporters that who had assembled for a press brief at this point,

quote, the whole set of circumstances is bizarre.

We're having a difficult time sorting it out.

We're not sure where the homicide occurred.

Like, they were like, we actually have no fucking idea what is going on.

Wow.

So once they determined that Patty's murder had occurred in Georgia,

the DeKalb County investigators called in the Alabama Secret Service agents

to interview Hayward.

Now, unfortunately, while he may have been relatively docile during the arrest,

he became very, very agitated when they put him in a cell and the agents from

Alabama were doing their best to get information out of him regarding the murder.

But really, all they could get out of him was that he was on a mission.

That's what he kept telling them.

And to make matters worse, his unmanageable

behavior was becoming kind of a safety concern.

Yeah.

Since his arrest, he was destructive.

He was banging his head on the cell, on the concrete wall.

He actually broke the shower head off the wall in his cell and that caused

water to spray everywhere.

He also tried to flush his pants down the toilet at one point.

So the toilet started overflowing.

So they were just dealing with, like, everything that you could possibly

imagine all at once.

Pure chaos.

Now, the next day, Hayward's bond hearing was held and had to be held in the

jail after he was determined to be too dangerous to transport.

Like it should have took place somewhere else, but they couldn't move him.

They said, for his safety and the safety of others, we could not take him into court.

But Bond was luckily refused by the judge.

I think they saw what they were dealing with.

Yeah.

And Hayward was luckily finally going to be transferred to a secure mental

health facility.

This time it wasn't voluntary or involuntary.

Yeah, you can't sign yourself out and you're not coming out.

But the sheriff's office would have to wait for a bed to become available.

There it is.

We were just talking about, like, the fact that they had to wait for a bed

to be available for this guy, like, come on.

So they were, again, trying to piece together what had happened to cause

Patty's death and the other attempted murders of the Pumphreys and Donald

Perch, but Hayward was not giving them any information.

He was talking in circles.

He was telling them different conspiracy theories that he had.

He told them how Patty was a double agent, all this kind of stuff.

So he was given a public defender and his public defender, Hoyt Bah, I

believe is how you say the name, told the press he's definitely paranoid

and definitely hearing voices, which was true.

Remember, he's diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

But by the evening of Wednesday, the 26th, now it had been three days since his arrest.

He had mostly calmed down.

He was still slightly agitated.

And a few days later, he was able to be transferred to the Bryce

Hospital in Tuscaloosa, where he would say he would stay until he was deemed

stable enough to go through the trial.

Yeah.

Now, in April, a grand jury indicted him for the attempted robbery and the

attempted murder of James Pumphrey and the attempted murder of Donald Perch.

And at that point, he pleaded not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect.

And afterwards, he returned to the hospital and there he would await word

of a grand jury hearing for Patty's murder.

Okay.

But meanwhile, the investigators traced his movements from Alabama back to Georgia.

And based on Patty's DNA profile, they connected Patty to the small pool

of blood in the Discount Food Mart parking lot.

Wow.

So that's how they officially found their murder scene.

Wow.

Now, after months staying at Bryce Hospital, Hayward was deemed competent enough

to leave the hospital and he was sent to a jail cell in Fort Payne, Alabama that June.

Wow.

But I don't know what had to happen there.

Maybe he was put on proper medication at that point.

Maybe.

Because remember, he had been taking medication off and on.

Yeah.

But in the time since his arrest, he did become much more manageable and way less

destructive, but he was still largely uncooperative.

This is crazy though.

By the time he returned to his jail cell, he had lost over 170 pounds.

Wow.

And he refused to leave his cell.

He spent nearly two years bouncing back and forth between hospitals and county

jails while doctors were trying to stabilize him and while investigators and

prosecutors were trying to figure out how to go forward in this case.

But finally, it took two years.

In February 2002, two years after Patty's murder, Hayward Bissell did go before a

judge in Somerville, Georgia, where he pled guilty but mentally ill to the murder.

Now, Superior Court Judge Christina Cook Connolly, she accepted the plea and she

sentenced Hayward Bissell to life in prison.

Now, the plea of guilty but mentally ill meant that he would spend the rest of his

life in a prison suitable for his psychiatric care, which.

Makes sense.

Thank goodness, like that he could finally get some medication so that nobody else

has to go through something like this again.

The rest of his life, but OK with me.

Need to be in jail, 100%.

And the Georgia Department of Corrections is actually required to monitor

his mental health and behavior while also managing his medications.

So I have to say, it seems like this court system did everything that they needed to.

It seems like it worked out in this situation, like the sentencing and punishment.

Exactly.

So hopefully with them managing his meds and treatment, he's in a better headspace

and is not terrorizing those around him.

But it's really tragic that it took what it did for him to get this kind of help.

It's horrifying.

And it's absolutely tragic that so many people's lives were affected by this

when he could have gotten help earlier, you know, like, like some of these people

were just like, like the couple and James and Sue just in their house.

Just going about their day, helping people like everybody, obviously.

But it's like he just he like sought out people to destroy their lives.

He did.

But like I said, I got a lot of sources for you guys.

So if you or anybody, you know, struggling mentally or is in a relationship,

experiencing domestic violence, we're going to put all these sources

in the show notes, but I'll read them out for you now.

We have the Schizophrenia and Psychosis Action Alliance.

Their website is sczaction.org.

And they have they have a bunch of like education materials and support groups,

which is awesome.

And then we have the National Alliance on Mental Illness,

which is also known as NAMI or NAMI.

It's N-A-M-I dot org.

And they have general resources there for mental health.

And then we have the Domestic Violence U.S. Hotline number.

That's 1-800-799-7233.

We also have the Battered Women's Justice Project.

We actually donated to them and we've met with them a few times

and they are like an amazing resource.

Their website is bwjp.org and they offer free legal help

if you're going through any kind of domestic violence situation.

And finally, we have the Center for Domestic Peace.

Their website is centerfordomesticpeace.org and they offer support groups.

Amazing.

So again, I'm going to put all of those in the show notes

for anybody struggling, anybody that knows anybody struggling

and just like take care of each other because this one made me really sad.

This is a really sad story.

It is all around.

And the thing is, like we were saying in the beginning,

like you want to think that we treat mental health differently now.

But but it's still tough, still really tough.

Yeah. So long way to go.

Yeah, a long, long way to go.

So guys, I love you.

We hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird.

But not so weird.

Yeah, just not so weird.

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