Morbid: Episode 453: Curses: Micah Rood & The Omen

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Bish.

So we've had some gnarly ones, some gnarly cases lately.

And we've also got some lined up that are going to blow your socks off.

So our anniversary is coming up.

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But we've got, even before that, we have some really gnarly, intense.

Yeah.

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Of course.

But we figured we would kind of do a quick little mind reset here.

Yeah.

This is still pretty gnarly, but like in a different way.

I wanted to do an episode about random curses.

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So do you ever just wake up and say, I want to hear about random curses?

You know, who does it?

And you know, the first one I will do has murder in it.

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the omen, which you might have heard that there's a curse with the omen,

but when you really dig into it, that shit is wild.

Gnarly.

Yeah.

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So the first one we're going to do is the curse of Micah Rood.

Micah or Mike?

It's Micah.

Micah.

But yeah, but it got turned into Mike later down the road because that's what we do.

You know, that's weird.

We just make everything shorter.

I like the name Micah.

I do too.

So Micah Rood also referred to us, Mike, sometimes in several literatures.

Everybody has a nickname.

You know, he was a farmer in what is now Franklin, Connecticut in the 1720s.

That's Micah's name.

So New England.

Ken.

Place.

You know what I'm saying?

While he was alive, his farm was known as Nine Mile Square or Norwich West Farms.

Micah was the youngest of at least nine children.

Too many.

So he came from a little bit of chaos.

He himself was known for at least a time to be a very nice man,

but he developed some issues later that may be explained when you take a look at his family.

Oh, okay.

So Micah's father, his name was Thomas Rood.

I'd like to give a quick little trigger warning.

We are going to mention incest.

Oh, horrible.

He, Thomas Rood, so Micah's father, was charged and convicted for incest.

Oh.

He allegedly impregnated his own daughter, Sarah, and she told the town officials herself.

They'd become a little suss when they saw that Sarah, being unwed in the 1720s, had a new baby.

And so she was asked about it and she confessed and admitted that the baby was biologically her father's child,

and I guess technically his grandchild as well.

Oh my God, that poor, poor girl.

And this wasn't even in the 1700s.

This was 1600s, late 1600s when this happened.

In 1672, they arrested Thomas Rood and actually hanged him.

And hanged him for the crime of incest.

And interestingly, he is the only person in America to ever be executed for the crime of incest.

Not the title you want to go down with.

Oh, like damn.

Wow.

That's heavy.

Yeah, it was wild.

And according to Stephen Gencorella, who wrote Spooky Trails in Tall Tales, Connecticut.

Oh, I like that.

He said, quote, it was the only official execution for incest and what would become the United States.

Sarah was spared death but publicly whipped.

And so they agreed that she had been raped.

Like she did not participate in incest, as most people do not.

But this is what the original texts say about her sentencing, because I was like, excuse me?

Yeah, what?

It says, the sentence of the court is that she be severely whipped on the naked body once at Hartford and once at Norwich,

that others may hear and fear and do no more such abominable wickedness.

So they said, don't get raped.

Don't get raped.

Wow.

By a family member.

Wow.

Especially.

Yeah.

And got whipped on the naked body publicly twice for being raped.

That's like a whole other sexual assault that she suffered.

The trauma sandwich there, I can't even handle.

Like that is, my brain won't even compute it.

Like publicly in front of people?

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Now that you've been raped and are having to deal with that, let's strip you naked in front of people and whip you.

Ah.

Yeah.

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So, um, Micah.

How did he, he got far away from that situation.

He didn't want anything to do with that lead, you know, that legacy.

And so he decided to start over as a farmer in Franklin alone.

He was like, I'm going to buy.

So he set up his farm in 1699 and he was respected.

He was moderately good at farming.

I wouldn't say he was like stellar.

I wouldn't say he was going to win any blue ribbons.

No, you know, but like, like he wasn't as good at farming.

Like he wasn't as good as I am at keeping a houseplants alive.

It's been a couple weeks, which I will say I have done for a couple of weeks.

And so I feel, I feel as though I can speak on this subject as a farmer myself.

I planted this weekend and within 48 hours killed two hydrangea plants.

You know, I usually I'm, I'm one to, to slaughter houseplants, but like,

but I'm doing really good and mostly because John said he doesn't think I can keep one alive.

So I'm like, now I'm a challenge.

I'm going to prove it to mother fucker.

And I'm doing good.

Her name is Lisa Vanderpump and she's thriving.

I also have one named Rupert Giles.

He is also thriving.

So right.

Fingers crossed.

But then what's the other one?

I don't.

The other one I haven't named yet because he came to me a little worse for wear.

So I'm going to.

He though.

It feels like a he Billy Loomis.

Billy Loomis.

Billy Loomis for wear.

He came to us a little worse for wear.

You know, yeah.

But back to Micah.

He was moderately good.

Like I said, he was all right.

Me too.

And he was said to be someone who helped people.

He was social.

He gave people food and stuff from his farm.

A good dude.

Someone you want to have to round.

That's the story you hear.

But then the other story.

Oh, there's two is a bunch of people who say he was weird, strange and mean.

So either history has failed us here with a shitty game of telephone or he just pissed off some people and they're loudly telling everybody about it.

I was going to say, maybe.

Yeah, I feel like that might be it.

Maybe it just depends who you ask.

Like you can't please everyone.

No, you can't.

I mean, if you asked like about me, you'd get a lot of different viewpoints.

I would say she's grand.

She's grand.

But like, I'm sure Micah is like dealing with the same fate.

I mean, at one point Micah, you know, he does something that like you really can't argue with saying he's kind of a shitty person, but like, we'll get there.

Okay.

So one thing that was not disputed by anyone was the fact that he may not have been the best all around farmer or all around human.

But he had the greatest and most beautiful and thriving apple orchard in the galaxy.

The galaxy.

The galaxy.

This one.

Yep.

And the next.

And then we don't know about that.

No, we know.

We know there is not more thriving apples on another guy.

It's just not possible.

I'm not putting my money on that.

His apples were juicy.

They were beautiful.

They were fucking huge.

They were all in a neat line, all the trees and they had white blossoms and every fall they would all pop out and he would sell them all.

They would pop off.

They would just pop off and everybody would just like lug them away because they were so giant and amazing.

I love it.

And one night in December on his farm, so everything's going great for Micah.

He's just selling these apples.

He's like, I may not be great at this other farming, but you better believe I can give you an apple.

So one night in December, a salesman came through the area and he was like those kind of salesman, like the one in Sabrina, the teenage witch.

I can always bring it back there.

Always.

When that salesman comes through the linen closet portal and sells Sabrina tomorrow ball against Terrence wishes.

That one.

He is just like that.

Totally.

He had everything and he was even tomorrow balls.

He had tomorrow balls and he was a regular in that area.

So he had told that he had told sold a ton that week and he had a lot of cash on him.

So in those days, this was risky business.

Yeah.

If you just listened to our episode with red handed about the about LaVenia Fisher, you know that being a highway man or a highway woman was like an actual thing back then.

And any sales person or merchant that was walking around with tons of cash was just like a giant bull's eye on their head.

I mean, it's risky business.

So the risk of being robbed or worse was really high, but he was known there.

So he felt safe.

You'd been there before.

He somehow that night ended up like in or near Rude's farm and no one is really sure how, but he ended up going inside the house.

Okay.

I don't, he must have been invited.

Something happened.

He liked apples.

He wanted to get some.

But then he went missing.

Yeah.

No one knew where he went.

He never returned home.

Search parties went out.

And then there was a tip that came in saying that somebody had seen him in the Rude farm area.

They searched the property.

The salesman was found.

They found him.

I can tell by the look in your eye that that man was.

He was buried under an apple tree with his head shattered open and all of his money gone.

Okay.

That's not quite what I was expecting.

But damn.

Yeah.

Of course, it's a very 1700s investigation followed.

So everybody was invited to the crime scene by hand.

Yeah.

And everything was totally fine.

Very up to standards.

Oh man.

Micah was definitely the prime suspect since it was his farm and he was the only one there.

That makes sense.

He denied, denied, denied.

And they couldn't really gather any more physical evidence other than the body being found under a tree on his property.

So they had to let it go for the time being.

Oh my God.

So even though this guy was found buried under an apple tree with his head smashed open.

Yeah.

And all his money gone.

There was really nothing that could tie it directly to Micah.

The apples.

That's that.

It was the apples.

So he was just kind of let go.

The ring came.

His trees thrived again.

Wow.

But one tree came back completely different this time around.

It was the tree, the body of the salesman was found under and it came back with bright red blossoms.

And remember, I said he would get these bright white blossoms.

Yeah.

As if that wasn't strange enough.

Once harvest time came at the end of the summer, huge yellow apples grew.

And when they were cut open, they contained a red circle in the center.

That looked like a stain of blood.

Do not eat those apples.

All the apples on that one tree had this and no others in the orchard did.

That's strange.

Like a totally different kind of apples.

And after this, so he found this and he knew.

So after this, he started to lose it.

He was suddenly.

It's very much like that.

So everybody said his demeanor completely switched out of nowhere.

He was depressed.

He withdrew from everyone.

He never came into town and people near his farm said he would just scream late into the night alone and pace around and around all evening.

I want to start doing that, like just to see what people just to see if people are like, she just screams night alone.

Maybe that would be a cool legacy.

Yeah, I think it would.

But he wouldn't eat or tend to his farm and everything just completely died.

He let everything go.

But that one tree, everything except that red apple tree.

Every season it came back, even though he didn't tend to it.

Bitch, there is a story in legends, lore and secrets of New England by Thomas Di Agostino and Arlene Nicholson.

And it says he told a few townspeople that he was being haunted by a ghost and he said that it attacked him anytime he tried to work on his farm.

Oh, so people think it was the ghost of the salesman back for revenge.

And it also says there's a story of one season, a young boy stealing apples from that red tree.

And when Micah caught him, he told him to take the entire tree of apples because he was so frightened of it and he wanted them gone.

He was like, just take them all.

Wow.

And the boy was like, no, no, no, I was just like, I'm sorry, I stole one.

He was like, no, I want you to take all of them.

I don't want them.

That's no terrified.

That boy just ran away.

He was like, no, I'm not going to.

Yeah, it's insane.

So he continued to deteriorate.

And at the end of his life, the townspeople believed he had either been falsely accused of murdering the salesman, which that is a possibility.

Yeah.

And that the body had been placed under the tree by someone, you know, the killer to frame him or that he had done it and lived a life of guilt being haunted.

What do you think?

I don't know because it sounds like Micah like wasn't a bad guy, you know, so it is a little strange that he would suddenly lash out.

Right.

You know, but I don't know that tree was definitely the symbol of whatever had happened here.

And they, the people of the town did come together when he became too frail to take care of himself in his old age.

And they paid two shillings to volunteers to watch over him for two days at a time.

So to me, it feels like the community kind of believed he didn't do it and that he was falsely accused.

I don't think they would be going through this trouble if they thought he just killed a salesman in cold blood.

Yeah, they're not going to bury him under an apple tree.

Anywhere near him.

Yeah.

So there's, I mean, to me, I'm like, that's some good community right there.

Yeah.

Especially since there is a possibility he was a brutal murderer.

Totally.

Like, but I would love to believe he isn't.

I kind of believe he's not.

And he ended up dying in December of 1728 looking over that red apple tree.

He was sitting in his chair looking out over it.

That's so sad.

What's crazier is that tree stood and thrived until 1938.

What?

And it was blown over by a hurricane.

That's how it was finally gone.

But before it was still up 1930s and people were still eating the apples.

Yeah.

And people took pieces of the branches and tried to replicate the apples, but they never could.

And there are some legends that say there are traces of red in some of these strains, though,

and especially in the Franklin, Connecticut area.

That's so interesting.

And they would call them like Mike's apples or Micah's apples.

I want to go apple picking next year in this area and find one of those apples until I find one of those apples.

And there is a movie on prime right now.

I don't know if you can still get it on prime, but I saw that it was on there called The Curse of Micarude.

And it's from 2014 and it's about this whole story.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

So there is a curse in the apples.

If you find the apple, I don't know exactly what happens to you that you can't say.

I think it was more Micah's curse than anybody else's.

But I don't know.

I want to believe.

I both want to believe that he was falsely accused and I don't want to because I feel bad.

Agreed.

You know, like it's like that would suck if his whole life was him being like not a murderer.

Well, so I feel like the thing would be, did he come into like a lot of new things after that salesman was killed?

Yeah.

Like, did he spend the money?

That's the thing.

It's like, was that the reason?

Right.

Or did he just kill this guy?

But all his money was gone.

I know.

So I'm like, that seems to be the motive.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's very strange.

It is.

It makes a lot more sense to me to be honest that like some highwayman or highwayman found this guy.

Robbed him.

On his way, robbed him, killed him and then buried him under the tree thinking no one would find him.

Yeah, that makes more sense to me too than Micah just like randomly snapping and killing this one man.

Who is well known in town too.

That's the other thing.

And it's like, if I know Micah.

Right.

I don't think he did this.

That's exactly how I feel.

Like, despite him coming from a father that was like, whoa, that was executed as the first person for getting executed for incest charges.

Some people's parents are fucking terrible and they're great though.

Well, that's the thing.

You know, it's like, you know, and they're great.

You know what I mean?

So, I mean, I don't know.

That's the curse of Micah rude in the apples.

I thought it was an interesting one.

It's a nice New Englandy one, which is always fun.

But the next one I'm going to talk about because I want to watch this movie essentially is The Omen.

You know, I've never seen it.

You should.

It's a great movie.

It's a really, really great horror film.

What year did it come out?

It's 1976.

Okay.

Never mind.

There was like a remake.

Yeah, there was remakes for sure.

Yeah.

One of the remakes came out when I was little and I remember being fucking terrified of

the preview and like crying about it.

I saw that remake, I think with my ex-boyfriend in the theater.

Terrible.

Yeah.

Was it good?

It was good.

But at the original one, that is.

The movie.

Yeah, the movie was like, yeah.

Religious, like scary movies to me are like the scariest and you always say that too.

Yeah.

If you bring religion into a horror movie, it just brings an element of like uncomfortability

to it, no matter what.

And uncomfortability in like the best way for me.

Like I love it because it scares me on a whole different level.

That's, it's so funny because I agree with the latter part of that.

It scares me on a whole different level, but to a level that I don't want to be scared

on.

Oh yeah, you see, you don't like it.

I love it.

And it's weird because I'm not like, I mean, we all know like neither of us are very religious

at all.

No.

I was going to say very religious.

But it still scares me.

Yeah.

It scares me because like it usually when they use it in a horror movie, it's used in a

really fucked up way.

It's just the, everything that they'll do, like, like the scene in Hellraiser when he's

in the church.

I love that scene.

And he like does the like the fake stigmata kind of thing.

Yeah.

I love that scene because it is so uncomfortable.

It's like such a wildly, I don't know what it is about it.

I don't know.

I think maybe it's because I feel the same as like, like paranormal movies.

Like it's just like, it's unknown to me and I don't want to fuck with it.

And it's very like, there's a lot to it.

That's the thing.

Yeah.

Cause like I don't care what you practice religious wise.

Like I don't give a shit as long as you're not hurting anybody.

Literally.

That's how I feel like.

So that this isn't to be like, you know, a knock on religion.

I literally don't give a shit, but it's because I'm not religious.

I think it does make me uncomfortable in like a scary way when I watch it.

I don't know what it is.

I just, it freaks me the fuck out.

Also, did anyone see ghost release in the EP?

Of course I did because I essentially live with you.

And it was so good.

The whole, the whole like story that you were telling me like behind the video that they

released.

Yeah.

It was like cool.

And I watched the video cause it's, it's wild.

Ghost fans.

But it's like, yeah, ghost fans go watch the video like everyone else don't.

But I'm just kidding.

But they did a cover of Genesis, like Phil Collins of Genesis.

Jesus, he knows me.

It's a great cover.

And I think they have like a whole EP of covers coming out in May, I want to say.

Covers.

Covers.

But it goes with the video and they released it on Easter.

And it was just like a really good cover in the videos, like really wild.

So it was a nice little Easter treat and it kind of goes along with all this like religious

talk.

So there we are.

So the Omen.

Let's talk about it because it definitely has some like, you know, Satan and all that

in the Antichrist things in it.

It was like I said, came out in 1976.

It's directed by Richard Donner and it was written by David Seltzer.

Seltzer.

The Omen is pretty fucked and is a classically terrifying and disturbing horror flick.

One of those masterpieces of horror.

Just the way it is done, in my opinion, I'll say.

But it starts out with a guy named Robert Thorne, who's played by Gregory Peck and his wife,

Catherine Thorne, played by Lee Remick.

They're in Rome and about to give birth to a little boy when things go horribly wrong

and the baby is actually born deceased.

So obviously Robert is distraught and he has to be the one to tell his wife this.

She doesn't know.

But before he can do that, the hospital chaplain comes in and is like, hey, a baby has just

been born a few doors down and the mother died during childbirth.

He's like, um, I'll take it.

You should just take this baby and just tell your wife it's yours.

Easy peasy.

Like nothing can go wrong with this.

That's why this all went wrong.

That's partly.

That's called kidnapping and it's a crime.

And I love it because Robert's like, that sounds great.

What luck.

Like he's just like, all right, let's go.

Men.

And he does.

And they name this boy Damien and Jesus.

They don't name him.

I mean, like Damien and also Jesus.

I'm saying like, whoa, Jesus.

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But as this Damien kid grows up, shit goes awry.

Lots of bad stuff happens to this family.

People die horrifically.

Their nanny literally hangs herself during his fifth birthday.

Oh my God.

Damien, we find out, is the actual Antichrist.

Oops.

For some reason, the term Antichrist to me is hilarious.

Well, I think of it in Donnie Darko when he's like, I think you're the fucking Antichrist.

Same.

So I have two thoughts.

We're going down a path here.

I think of Donnie Darko with that whole scene, which makes me lull.

And then I also think of the anti-faries from Fairly Oddparents, which you won't understand, but other people will.

And then like now that you think of that, you're like, oh wow, like they were definitely inspired by the Antichrist and that's hilarious.

And it's just like a wild term.

The Antichrist.

The Antichrist.

Like, okay.

And it's like that Damien is just is the Antichrist.

It's like, okay.

Yeah.

What does that mean?

I don't understand.

Or Patrick Swayze.

Yeah.

And apparently they tell you what it means because like they're like, oh no, Damien is the Antichrist.

Like, oopsie poopsie.

I don't know what to tell you.

Oopsie poopsie.

And a priest close to the family, Father Brennan, is like, yeah, he's the son of Satan.

So that bold move you took in the hospital there, like did not.

That wasn't a good move.

So are we to believe that that woman fucked the devil?

Well, that's, thank you, because that's the thing that would, that would make the most

sense that, you know what, I'm not going to give spoilers right now.

I'm not going to give spoilers right now, but watch the movie.

You'll get the answer.

Me?

And it's wild.

You want to watch it together?

Yeah.

I think we should watch it because.

Oh boy.

Oh no.

It's all I'm going to say.

But yeah.

So, you know, he's the Antichrist, son of Satan.

Okay.

Oopsie.

You got the wrong kid.

But then Catherine becomes pregnant again.

Yeah.

And the priest ups the bad shit level when this happens and says, oh yeah, since Damien

is the son of Satan, he's going to be hell bent, pun intended, on murdering that unborn

fetus and both of you.

So you got to kill him, but I'll like 100% look the other way.

Like this priest is like, don't fucking worry.

I feel like, can you kill him for me?

And Father Brennan's like, no, I cannot, but I will absolutely not report you to authorities.

Oh my God.

So shit goes down again.

I won't spoil it in case you haven't seen it.

It was from 1976, so you have had the time to see it.

Plenty of time.

I would be very justified in spoiling, but I love you all so much that I won't do it

to you.

Okay.

Watch it.

It's nuts.

So many more twisties, but we just, we're not here just to talk about the movie plot.

We're here to talk about curses on the set, so let's go.

So obviously it involves a lot of really dark shit.

This movie plot, all of that, you know, very like, um, historically dark shit.

Yeah.

Satan, demons, murder, antichrist, dark religious topics and all the like.

So right away, everyone making this film was like a little weary that they may be messing

with some forces that like could potentially be dangerous.

So that's the thing, like I would feel that way a bit.

I wouldn't.

No, I know you wouldn't.

Yeah.

I wouldn't feel that way.

I know you wouldn't.

No, I know you wouldn't.

But I know you would.

Yeah.

But it's weird because I don't believe wholeheartedly in any of that, but like a little piece of

me would be like, I'm not, my whole goal in life is to not fuck around to find out.

You know, I think that's a very smart way of going about life to be quite honest, find

out certain things, but I'm not going to fuck around to find them out.

Honestly, I'm smart.

Thanks.

Very smart.

I'm fully on board with that way of thinking.

Too many inexplicable things can happen in the world and I'm not trying to figure it

out like that.

I mean, it's, there's a lot going on, but it a lot did go on really during this.

So an advertising exec and an evangelical Christian named Robert Munger was the one who helped

birth the idea of this child, Antichrist.

He had said to producer Harvey Bernhard that he believed the Antichrist was walking around

in the form of a child because that would be the thing no one would expect.

He really believed that to be true.

He believed that to be true.

I beg to differ this as do all parents, I'm sure, because, but I'm like, no one's going

to expect a child to be the Antichrist.

I think everyone's going to expect that.

Who are you?

Who are you?

Yeah.

So I get it, but whatever.

So this idea, you know, this idea is obviously pretty fucking terrifying, like at its core.

And it's also pretty brilliant as like in a horror sense, to have a child walking around

as the Antichrist.

So they started working with it.

They're like, what an idea.

Some religious ideas in the film were created and not taken directly from the Bible.

Like the idea that the Antichrist is the son of Satan himself.

I don't know what he actually is, but that wasn't.

I guess that's not what the Bible says.

OK, David Seltzer created that idea for the movie, but it really does work really well.

That's the son of Satan.

That's way scarier to people.

You hear the son of Satan.

It's like you're that works like, you know what you're you're coming with here.

So so yeah, they made up a lot of that stuff.

But people think that it's that it's these kind of changes that angered something dark,

like the real Antichrist was like, that's not my authorized bio.

Like, why are you doing that?

Maybe heinous lies.

But then I here's my thinking.

I'm like, well, why would the Antichrist give a shit, first of all,

that you're not going by the Bible?

Yeah, I don't think that would bother him.

So I'm so like, what are the dark forces that are mad that you're not going by the Bible?

Like that gets a little that gets a little hairy.

That gets a little hairy, scary.

No comments. Yeah.

I'm like, that's I don't know.

I feel like another side would be angrier that you're not going by the Bible.

But again, I don't know.

I don't know if there's pieces of the Bible that would turn that on its head.

You know, I don't know much about the Bible.

No, nor.

But before he even got the film started or greenlit,

he pitched it by telling producer Harvey Bernhard

that he believed the devil didn't want them to make the film,

which seems like a pretty bold pitch to me.

We wait, the the guy who like made this whole idea

said the devil doesn't want to do this.

Yeah, like he was like, I'm pretty sure the devil doesn't want us to make this film.

The devil doesn't want screen time, which I don't.

And I'm not saying it's a bad pitch because I don't believe that's a bad pitch.

I think it's a bold pitch.

That's one of those like risky, I got to hit the right person with this pitch

because you're being like, hey, I'm pretty sure the devil himself

does not want us to make this film.

It's like, you're going to get some person that's like, oh, then we shouldn't.

And you're going to get somebody else who's going to go

down in the air and they're going to be like, let's make this film.

And you're all going to do like devil horns together and rock out.

So I think I would be the former and you would be the latter.

I would just pull up an electric guitar and just literally like the covering above the land.

But yeah, he got someone to be that did the Darren in an air.

One more time for people in the back.

They do that on last podcast on the left, like whatever.

Yeah, whatever. They'll say something like super metal.

They're always like, shout out, shout out to last podcast on the left.

One of the first podcasts I ever listened to.

Yeah. Remember one of their live shows?

Yeah, that was great. I got vertigo.

You guys are funny, but it was great.

But later in interviews, they both repeat this idea.

Like they they tell this story and that this was a true story

that he pitched it that way, that they were like, yes.

And Munger is quoted as saying, I said, if you make this movie,

you're going to have some problems.

If the devil's greatest single weapon is to be invisible

and you're going to do something which is going to take away his invisibility

to millions of people, he's not going to want that to happen.

So the devil is invisible, I guess.

That's what I took away from.

So Bernhard recalled the devil was at work and he didn't want that film made.

So here's where I sit again.

I'm going to keep telling you where I sit from here. Please do.

Imagine the devil.

Like if that is an actual thing, which like, I don't I don't know.

But imagine him, what the icon iconique that we think he is,

like that whatever we see him as with like the horse and all that.

Imagine him being so mad about a Hollywood horror movie.

See, so here's where I'm at.

I picture the devil like the one in Sabrina, but like the new Sabrina.

Did you get to that season where like Sheridan?

He's like, yeah, he's like, he's with me right now,

because Mikey just banned himself.

That man made me question so many things about my identity.

Anyways, yeah, I pictured that devil and I forgot where I was going

because I started thinking about him too much.

Are we just picturing that devil right now?

Is that all we're doing?

Here's where I was going with that.

I picture that handsome, not handsome devil.

And I would think that that devil would want to want the PR.

Thank you. That's kind of what I don't see him being pissed.

No, like that's just me because people are also going to be fucking terrified.

And isn't that the devil's whole thing is like terrifying people?

That's the thing.

I'm like, I feel like that's kind of like his shtick.

And oh, my God, I'm looking at the devil now.

Now, also looking at the Sabrina, the teenage,

which one I have a refresh my memory.

I'm looking at the devil.

Just look at the devil right now.

Yeah, if it's that one, he would definitely be down for it.

But I don't. Yeah.

I don't down for what?

I don't down for what you say.

No, I don't I don't know.

But then when I think about it, I'm like, that's my interpretation.

So there's a vast number of in

Mike, he's bringing up pictures of the devil, of that devil,

the one from Sabrina.

And I'm just it's getting so much harder to look elsewhere.

It's because I can't.

But there's they call him Daddy Satan.

But yeah, you know, watch that show, by the way, that's a great show.

Also, now all I can do that show.

I know what the fuck.

All I can hear in my head right now is that Jack Black song

where it's like, oh, my God, the tenacious D.

So does that stand for devil, tenacious devil?

I have no idea.

But either way, I was going to say there's several different ways

to interpret the devil, whether he exists, how he exists, who he is,

what his beliefs are, what his motivation is, what his personality is.

This is just mine.

You probably you probably do have a different interpretation

because we're all different here.

And that's OK.

And maybe your devil that you're thinking of, I mean,

and it doesn't have to be your devil, just the devil you think about.

Doesn't want the PR. Maybe he doesn't want the PR.

Maybe he does want to be invisible.

So I think my idea of is that he wouldn't give a shit

about a horror, a Hollywood horror film.

I feel like that's that's small potatoes to a daemon to the devil team.

But maybe your demon does.

So I'm not here to stomp on your idea here, but that's just how I feel.

We digress.

So filming is about to begin in London

and the cast is heading on to set and shit already is going really awry.

And this is the part where when you enter into this, you're like,

OK, I curse like the devil.

What are you talking about? Shut up.

But then when you hear the shit that happened, you're like,

what was going on there because it's a lot.

So I've heard like some of the things

that I know are definitely not manmade accidents.

Do you think any of these accidents were manmade to like add to the hype?

Honestly, I know.

I don't know if I can come up with one that is manmade.

There are a lot of these are too big and too kind of everyone's hands.

OK, for them to happen and you'll see why.

So Gregory Peck was on his way into London to begin filming.

And the plane he was on was struck by lightning.

So that's not manmade. No.

And now I looked into it and according to Scientific American,

each airplane in the U.S.

commercial air fleet is struck by lightning at least once a year.

Remember what happened to Miley Cyrus?

It did. Now, usually these strikes are light and not really noticed that much.

Don't do a bunch of damage.

They used to, but they definitely don't anymore.

It happens once a year to each plane on average.

But December 8th, 1963,

a commercial airliner crashed as a direct result of being struck by lightning.

Well, that's terrifying.

That was in 63.

Remember before they put in a bunch of different shit, which I will talk about

that has made that so it won't happen again usually.

But it was Pan American World Airways Flight 214 and it was a Boeing 707.

The flight was going from San Juan, Puerto Rico to Baltimore, Maryland.

And then it was taking off from Maryland and going to Philadelphia.

So the plane took off from Puerto Rico, got to Baltimore.

Then as it was going from Baltimore to Philadelphia,

the plane exploded and went down with 73 passengers and eight crew members on board.

Oh, my God.

And the last words they heard over the black box was May Day, May Day, May Day,

Clipper 214 out of control.

Here we go. Oh, isn't that like the most chilling here we go?

What the fuck would you say that?

Now, everyone on board perished.

This was directly due to lightning strikes and it ignited the fuel tank.

And that's why it exploded after this, though.

So don't worry after this planes were ordered to install lightning

discharge wicks or static dischargers on all planes in the US.

This basically what these are, are they're on the wings and they allow

the excess electrons of built up static energy to have a pathway back into the atmosphere

so they don't build up and say ignite a plane's fuel tank.

Like they get shot out into the atmosphere.

So it's like a way to like ground it and send it somewhere else kind of thing.

And they work like they've tested them out.

They work. That's how it works.

Thank you for that.

Yeah. So just wanted to like detour on that because whoa, scary.

So shortly after this, within days, writer David Seltzer's plane

also was hit by lightning.

He said it was the roughest five minutes I've ever had on an airliner.

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Newfield was also in the plane headed to production

and his plane was struck by lightning.

Come on. That's insane.

Three planes were struck by lightning.

And you said it only happens to one plane per year.

It happens once on average a year. No.

So Harvey Bernhard was almost struck by lightning

while standing on the ground while filming on location in Rome once production began.

Too much lightning. Yeah.

And it was literally right next to him.

See, that's why these are a little weird.

Like how how do you not think like something had to have been at work here?

Something. Yeah. Right.

Like, don't you believe that? That's like smiting.

But like I smite you with these like you believe that something was at work.

Right. Something weird is happening here.

I don't know what I can't put my my little my little finger on it.

But no. But, you know, something is wrong here.

I believe a lot in energy.

There you go. So it's bad energy.

Maybe that's what it is.

You're talking about like a whole ass kid being born.

That's a whole ass kid.

Like, I'm going to kill the mom. I'm going to kill that.

I'm going to kill my mom.

I'm going to kill my dad. That's him.

That's literally him. That's me in.

So don't have a juice box.

But yeah. And, you know, it did have some bad energy going into production

because they were immediately setting this up as like the devil doesn't want this.

So they're setting the bad energy from the start.

Yeah. Not manifesting properly.

Now, Harvey Bernhard was so stressed that he began wearing a crucifix on set.

I might also do the same.

I would not. But he said he's like upside down.

But he said, quote, I wasn't about to take any chances, which I get.

The devil was at work and he didn't want that film made.

We were dealing in areas we didn't know about.

And later on in the picture, it got worse, worse and worse.

So like, I get it, you know, like, you're not going to take any chances.

You might as well throw a crucifix around your neck.

It's crazy that this movie, like, happened.

Completed. I know.

There was a private plane that was rented for production

because they were using it for, like, overhead scene. Sure.

And during production, like during filming, somebody else rented this plane.

Like they chartered it while they weren't using it.

Upon takeoff, the engine was hit by a flock of birds,

caused the engines to fail in the plane, crashed onto the end of the runway,

skidded into the road and hit a car. Oh, my God.

Everyone on board and in the car was killed.

Yeah. This is true.

This much is true.

But in some sources, and I don't I don't know if this is true.

I can't verify this. It's just in some sources.

Sure. They say the car was carrying the pilot's wife and two children.

I really hope not.

That's way too over the top.

They do cite it in some sources, but I found I want to be clear.

I found nothing to verify this.

OK, yeah, sometimes you will read that in some sources.

That's why I want to let you know, like I couldn't find something to verify it.

If you can, then that's even worse.

But and if you can, I'm like, you know, like it's already bad enough

that everybody on board died and everyone in the car died.

You don't need to make it worse.

Thank you, because I'm literally like, you don't need to make that.

Like I already are more traumatizing, like people die.

Yeah, like I'm already upset.

Yeah, I'm upset that.

So that happened.

Holy shit.

Apparently, I think it was Peck, who was supposed to be renting one of the planes

to and it might have been that actual plane and he ended up not renting it.

That they're using it that day to do something and it crashed.

Wow. And he was supposed to be on it.

There was also an animal trainer who was on set because there's a scene

with Rottweilers where Peck's character is chased and attacked

in a cemetery by really angry, vicious dogs.

Hellhounds, if you will.

But the dogs, the Rottweilers attacked the stuntman for real

and they wouldn't stop. Oh, my God.

And they bit through the paddings and ignored the handlers and the animal trainer.

And I guess the stuntman ended up being OK, but he suffered actual injuries from it.

Wow. And it was very unlike these dogs to not listen to the handlers and the trainer.

Yeah. Were they OK?

They were OK. OK, good.

So Richard Donner was leaving Harvey Bernhardt's office.

Something else happens to the animal trainer, by the way.

We'll get to it.

But he was leaving Bernhardt's office after a meeting and he was hit by a car.

Oh, my God. He was OK.

But like, what the fuck?

He was actually he was hit by a car.

How do you know how long this production was?

Like, how long it took?

No, I don't know exactly how long it took, but it happened quick.

I'm going to try to find out because I'm like, all of these things are happening.

Like, was this a couple months? Exactly.

An executive producer, Mace, there was staying at the London Hilton with his wife

while filming and it was bombed by the IRA.

What? And on November 12th, they were all there.

Executive producers, directors, actors, all of them were having some kind of dinner

at some restaurant and that restaurant was bombed by the IRA

minutes before they arrived.

Oh, my God.

This is over an 11 week period.

I was going to say it was quick.

Eleven weeks.

All crammed into this period.

Oh, my God.

And now there's a scene speaking of the animal trainer.

There's a scene in the movie where they go to a zoo and Damien's presence,

just his presence there makes all the animals like go crazy.

They're all screaming every they're flipping out stresses me out.

It's a really haunting and very scary scene.

Yeah, it's really good.

And they come across a group of baboons and the baboons freak the fuck out

when they see Damien and he's just smiling at them.

It's so scary.

And so the baboons attack the car there and that they're driving through.

And according to Richard Donner, Lee Remick, who played the mom,

was legitimately terrified while filming this sequence.

So her screams and the fear are very real.

And they're what's in the final shot of the film.

So they use that animal trainer for these shots as well.

And everything was fine.

But the next day, that animal trainer was killed by tigers.

What the fuck?

Bernhard later said he was killed the day after we shot there.

He was killed by a tiger.

He grabbed him by the head and killed him instantly.

Oh, my God.

Like, what the fuck?

And too many freak accidents.

And what's even worse is it didn't end after filming.

So Special Effects Supervisor John Richardson was responsible

for a really infamous scene.

It's a decapitation scene in the movie.

It the man, this man is like really brutally beheaded by a sheet of glass

sliding off the back of a truck.

It's very final destination ask.

Yeah, it's really brutal.

Well, John Richardson was in Holland with his girlfriend, Liz Moore,

on August 13th, 1976.

They were filming Richard Attenborough's abridged a bridge too far in their car crashed.

He survived, very injured, but she was decapitated.

Stop.

Now, really quickly, just because, like, I looked into Liz, the girlfriend,

the victim here, she was a really talented and really respected painter and sculptor.

She designed and sculpted Star Child and Stanley Kubrick's 2001 Space Odyssey.

Oh, wow.

The nude furniture and a clockwork orange, the C3PO suit in Star Wars and worked

with another artist named Brian Muir, Muir, I think it is sorry, to create

the finalized version of the Stormtrooper helmets.

Holy shit.

She was only 32 years old when she was killed.

Wow.

Imagine what she could have gone on to do and killed by decapitation.

That's terrifying.

Now, allegedly, according to reports, he said he escaped from the vehicle

and he saw a signpost they were in Holland pointing to the nearest town.

And it was the town's name was Omen and it was O-M-M-E-N.

Stop.

And according to him, the kilometer marker where this was was 66.6.

I don't know what to say to that.

Another crew member, a stunt person named Alf Joint, also went from working

on stunts and working on like the Omen.

He went to the Richard Attenborough Bridge too far too.

So they both went over to that.

He had an accident almost immediately as well.

He was supposed to be filmed jumping off a roof and he would land

on some kind of like airbag.

Obviously, he fell from the roof really strangely, according to all witnesses

and somehow missed the airbag.

He ended up critical in the hospital.

Luckily, he did recover.

But when he woke up, he said he would, everyone said he was absolutely adamant.

He said, I was pushed off that roof.

Oh, I just got all the motherfucking chills in the way he fell.

Everyone was like, that was not a stuntman fall.

Like that wasn't a stuntman fall.

He was awkward.

It was like he wasn't ready for it.

But he was like, like someone had pushed him and he wasn't ready to do an actual

fall, like a safe fall.

Oh, no.

They said it was like super awkward and strange how he fell.

And he was he he was like, I was 100 percent pushed.

I felt it.

And he was like, that's why I lived that way.

Yeah, fuck that.

No, fuck that.

And to end it all out, the kid who played Damon Harvey Stevens, he disappeared for

years after he's a terrifying looking child.

And the crew of the documentary about this curse had to hire a private detective

to search him down because they thought he was dead or missing.

What?

Then when they talk to him, he won't speak about the curse.

Literally will not say a word.

You can't get him to open up about it.

What?

Yeah.

Which I'm like, is that like what is that?

Is that could that be that you are like playing into it?

Because like, good on you.

I would play the fuck into that if I could.

But like, damn, I would not play into that.

Like that's why it's so like, no, because look, we're talking about it.

Well, yeah, but have people being like, what is going on?

Oh, fuck, dude.

I that's why I say a lot of that those are not like manmade things.

They're like none of them means of the IRA.

They're like planes crashing.

They're lightning hitting planes.

There's people getting in like weird, strange accidents.

Like, yeah, sure, there are coincidences, but not that many.

And that's the thing.

A lot of the people involved in this production were like, yeah,

in the beginning, when you like hear about it, you're like, sure, OK,

like you can kind of explain away some things.

But they're like, as it goes, you just stop being able to explain.

Like, how can you have that much bad luck?

I'm not well, bitch.

I am not well, bitch.

But I think it's an interesting I love a cursed movie set.

Actually, um, Shutter for a while had like a whole series of first movies.

There's a lot of them.

It's like Rosemary's Baby, there's Poltergeist, the Exorcist, and again,

a lot of them are like religion or like, you know, yeah, Satan based kind of thing.

But I think it's one of those things.

I don't know. Maybe maybe.

I mean, religion is one of the oldest things in the world, you know, like so

it's like maybe maybe you're just messing with and maybe it doesn't even

necessarily have to do with like, you know, the devil and stuff like that.

It's like this you're messing with something ancient that you don't understand

an ancient force that none of us understand.

Maybe, you know, like maybe it's something to do with that.

I don't know. Who am I?

I feel like I'm going to be very creeped out the next couple of days.

Whenever we talk about, yeah, I know me too, because I love that feeling.

But like, I also hate it at the same time.

Oh, the end of my hallway is going to freak me out.

Lately, I've been freaked out by the end of my hallway.

Yeah, you might want to like clear that.

Yeah, clear that out.

Yeah, it's my spare bedroom, too.

So yeah, clear that out. Yeah, definitely.

You don't want that being fun.

I think it's just because honestly, there's a lot of laundry in there.

Then that's bad energy.

You're like, I just don't want to fold it.

So that's the bad end.

No, that's why I'm freaked out by the laundry.

Like a couple of hampers full of laundry that I need to get done.

So maybe that's it.

That would freak me out, too.

Tell me I got it. Fucking hate laundry.

Yeah, that's like that's wild.

It's bad vibes. That's bad vibes.

That's that's stinky.

It's bad stinky vibes.

Oh, man, creepy, creepy.

We love a haunted movie, which, you know, these are.

And there was a lot of there's a lot of actual death involved here.

So it's true crime crime element.

Um, we should make this a series.

And like, if you guys know of any cursed movies

that you want to look into, like cursed movies,

cursed TV shows, cursed Broadway shows,

productions, cursed productions.

They like it because that might be kind of fun to look into.

Totally. I love a good curse.

Every once in a while, we need a little.

I don't want to be cursed.

No, I also like to look into a curse.

But they are very interesting.

Let me speak clearly.

Yeah, give the universe the right word.

Yeah.

But yeah, and go listen to ghosts, new, you know, cover single.

Yeah, I heard it.

I'm good. You're going to hear it a lot.

So what?

So there you go.

But yeah, I hope everybody had a good weekend and watch the Omen.

And we hope you keep listening.

And we hope you keep it weird.

But not so weird that you're the Antichrist

or maybe do keep it that weird.

Just up to your preference.

Yeah, whatever you want to do, man, keep it.

Keep it that weird.

You're kind of weird.

Hey, oh, don't hurt people.

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