Morbid: Episode 443: The Horrific Murder of Marina Calabro with Jonathan Van Ness

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Oh my fucking god, Jonathan Van Ness was on the show today people.

Guys, this was such a fun episode.

I'm still, what's the word?

Reeling.

Really?

Reeling.

Jonathan Van Ness is a sweetheart.

We love them.

We adore them.

We, from my dreams, from my dreams.

Truly, this was amazing.

Such a delight.

We had a lot of fun.

We were laughing.

We were joking about a lot of stuff.

But we also had a really gnarly true crime case pushed in there somewhere.

But I just want to let you guys know we have a lot of chit chat.

We talk about Vanderpump rules.

Oh, I had to fill JVM on the T.

But don't worry.

I feel like me and you are going to have a more detailed discussion next episode.

Yeah, I think we are.

We can't get over this vendor.

This is the scan of all of it all.

Scan of all.

But yeah, this was a lot of fun.

This was definitely definitely a chit chatty episode.

But I promise you guys, there's a very, very intense true crime case thrown in there as well.

Yes.

And the reason why we picked this specific case is because it was in Quincy.

And Jonathan is from Quincy.

So we were thinking like, oh, let's tell him about our Quincy.

Because he's from Quincy, Illinois.

We did a Quincy, Massachusetts case.

See what we did there.

See what we did.

See what we did there.

But I mean, without further ado, here it is.

I died.

Hey, weirdos.

I'm Ash.

And I'm Elena.

And I'm Jonathan Fiannaz.

And this is an extra special episode of Morbid.

We have Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Curious, the podcast.

Or you could watch it on Netflix.

And of course, Queer Eye, which is also on Netflix.

And of like every other human project that you could ever take on as a human.

Like you learn to be a gymnast.

You are a stand up comedian.

You're a hairdresser.

You're a beautiful soul.

You're also from our dreams.

Welcome to the show.

I'm also someone who's going to have to go clean up the pile of shit that they just

shot in their pants.

Me too.

Like just like top like my Spotify.

I'm like top point zero zero one percent Morbid like super.

I'm literally like, I love you so much.

I love you so much.

I you're like, I love you.

I feel like this is a dream.

I feel like we're all in.

Have you ever seen?

Well, do you watch SpongeBob?

I'm sorry.

I'm like our social vernacular is like we have more separation than what I was.

We do.

Anticipating, but it's making me love you more.

Okay.

Yeah, you have so many things to show me, you know, but there's an episode of SpongeBob

where they all enter each other's dreams and that's what's happening right now right

here today.

This is also what happens every time you mentioned SpongeBob to me.

I'm like, I don't know.

I'm a youth, but it's fun to learn.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah.

Because you watch like Bob's Burgers or Family Guy or South Park.

I watch Bob's Burgers sometimes.

Love.

Love.

Those are my three adult cartoons.

And we were a family guy house.

You were a family guy house.

Yeah.

But like I told you earlier, I only watch Bravo.

Only watch Bravo.

I like that.

I like that you're clear on what you want.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

I know.

I can't believe you don't watch Bravo.

There's a giant scandal happening right now.

The huge scandal.

The Bravo.

Versus.

I do want to know about that.

So it's like, but it's like it's straight people cheating on each other, right?

Yes.

Well, no, because Ariana's not straight.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That's true.

And I'm not quite sure actually if Tom Sandoval is not.

But she didn't do anything.

She didn't do anything.

She's an innocent bystander.

She is.

She's not that cheating as far as like a man cheated on a woman with another woman.

Exactly.

Yep.

And I was like, no headlines that really are pulling me.

Like if she had cheated on him with another woman, I, if you give me a lesbian, if you

give me some buy, if you give me some nonsense, I'm like, what's going on?

Yeah.

Or a good, but tell me.

So those people.

It's a lot.

It's a lot of history.

So Tom and Ariana got together back in like what?

29 years ago.

Yeah.

Nine years ago.

They've been together for nine years.

They literally have a house together.

Essentially common law married, right?

That takes up what?

Seven years.

Yeah.

I mean, they're for all intents and purposes.

Together.

So then this girl, Raquel joins the show.

Fun fact.

Name is not even Raquel found out recently on the Tik Tok that her name is Rachel.

So we're not calling her Raquel anymore.

We're calling her Rachel because she's a dirty gal.

And she has been carrying on a relationship with Tom Sandoval, who has been with Ariana

Maddox.

I don't know if it's Ariana or Ariana because they interchangeably use it on the show,

but we love her regardless.

I fucking team Ariana all the way.

But he has been carrying on a relationship like behind closed doors with Raquel for seven

months at least.

I also just found out today on Good Authority that they spent Christmas together.

So it's not good.

Ariana is sitting at Tom's show last Wednesday night because he also has a cover band called

Tom and the Most Extras or something like that.

Yeah.

He is extra.

And his phone slips out of his pocket.

She grabs it off stage so he doesn't step on it.

What a kind soul Ariana is.

She's scrolling through the phone and she finds an inappropriate video of Raquel and

then discovers the whole seven months, all the receipts, all of them.

And it was at the same time that Raquel was on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

in New York alongside Sheena at the same time, who has also been on Vanderpump Rules Forever.

And we do not condone violence on this podcast.

No.

Allegedly.

No, just kidding.

So Sheena is Ariana's best friend, but has also been friends with Raquel because she

doesn't know what a dirty girl she is.

So they're out and about.

And then Ariana calls Sheena her best friend and is like, Sheena, are you with Raquel?

I need to talk to her because what the fuck is going on?

So Sheena finds out and then allegedly she throws Raquel's phone into the street, throws

Raquel up against a brick wall, punches her in the face, and then the rest we don't really

know.

So What Happens Live?

Yeah, they were at like a bar or something.

I, okay, having done Watch What Happens Live a few times, like I know exactly where that

is in this city.

I could just like envision like coming out of those doors and they get in their car and

that like, oh my God, all of that ensues.

Sidebar.

My friend went to what's that restaurant that they film at Sir or Tom Tom or Tom Tom.

So my friend, one of my very best friends, as all this drama was happening was like got

reservations at Tom Tom with their friends to see if anything would go down and but my

friend doesn't know anything.

She's like me.

She just wanted to go to dinner with her friends, but the friends were like, you have to get

like camera ready because like shit might go down.

So then she got there and shit did go down and it makes you want to ask her like what

she saw.

Oh my God.

Be like, what went down?

She saw that Tom and the most extras still had to perform and then everybody started

chanting cheater cheater Ariana at him and then he leaned into the mic and said, we love

her.

It's like, no, you don't know you don't say what happened.

Yeah.

We're calling a friend.

We're calling a friend.

We're using the lifeline.

Let's see.

Let's just see really quick.

I mean, I got to.

No, we need to see.

I love it.

Yeah.

Do you consent to being on a, like one of the nation's leading podcasts about Mardar,

but they're also very, it turns out that they're like huge Bravo fans and we can bleep out

your name and just have like, you know, word of a friend is, but when you, what happened

when you went to that restaurant the other night and they were filming all that drama

about that man?

Oh, well, then you're not really filming it.

I don't think, I don't know that Tom was sitting out one of the times I don't know them and

he was like sitting outside like all kind of like upset, you know, and looking wounded

and then a couple of another cast person.

I don't know who they are.

We're with them and then they're like, oh my God, because as we were walking in, my friends

were telling me about it.

Can you give us any more?

What did the other castmate look like darling?

I think it was a big incident.

You know me.

I don't care about people.

So I was just like, oh, I'm cute.

I'm walking in and the girl for like, oh my God, there he was.

You know, my friends are so silly.

And I was like, what?

And they're like, you don't understand what happened, but I can talk to him get the full

story and the names of that.

Can you please text me the full story and in the next 20 minutes, please?

That was terrible.

Thanks.

Very anticlimactic.

Get the story.

Goodbye.

That was terrible.

That was terrible.

Okay.

But I wonder which Tom she saw.

How dare you take up our time.

Because if Tom is looking wounded.

So there's two Tom's.

There's Tom Sandoval and then there's Tom Schwartz.

Tom Sandoval is the piece of shit.

But fun fact that I didn't tell you in the middle of all of this, right now the season

of Vanderpump rules is airing and everybody tried to make us think that Tom Schwartz and

Raquel Rachel were hooking up because we think that Tom Schwartz was covering for Tom Sandoval.

And Tom Schwartz was married to another cast member and they are in the middle of a divorce.

So it was like big deal, even for that.

But then when it turned into Tom Sandoval, it's like, well, he's currently in a relationship.

So Rachel has now like, I don't even, like, what's the word, like defied two of her friends.

Yeah.

And Ariana was like her best friend, one of her best friends.

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Are you ready?

Yes.

Always.

I have this friend and yeah, someone from my friends, friends, family, okay, four siblings,

right, four siblings, okay, four brothers and sisters, okay, I'm so excited for where

this is going.

There's a brother and sister, okay, sister, maybe no, it's not it's not giving Game of

Thrones.

Okay, it's giving it's giving interest, it's giving scandal, brother, sister, they're

both married.

Okay, brother and sister married to their own partners, okay, sister's got a husband,

brother's got a wife, sister's husband, brother's wife, start having an affair, a full

affair, a full affair, and you think that's not going to come up at the dinner table.

So then they leave their partners, because the affair gets brought to light, and they

go on to let Charlie have kids, and they're still married.

I'm a shitty fuck.

It's the only example of a relationship started out of like a full adulterous affair, where

they didn't end up.

So it's like the whole thing of like, oh, don't start your relationship in a fair because

it won't work out.

You losing how you got it.

It's always not true.

Like sometimes people do have horrific affairs, and then they do end up together.

It's true.

Wow.

So my only other example of that happening just got divorced last year, after 26 years.

I was going to say, because maybe it just takes a little longer.

How long have the other two like been together and like having the kids and all?

Since like 94.

What?

That's longer than my whole life.

Damn.

Yeah, very long time.

That's literally longer than you've been alive.

It's two years longer than I've been alive.

Holy shit.

So you were born in 92.

96.

Wait.

Oh my God.

96.

No.

I could not handle.

I know.

So you don't even fucking know about the Magnificent Seven in Atlanta.

No.

You even fucking know about the Atlanta fucking games.

No.

The first time that a women's United States gymnastics team won a gold medal in an uncontested

games.

Were you so busy watching Bravo your whole life that you never even got into the Olympics?

Not once?

No, I've been into the Olympics before.

Oh, good thing.

God.

And actually we were at one of your shows in Boston when you were doing the Olympics

and like doing all the flips and everything and you said that like a little bit of that

whole speech about the seven and I looked at her and I said, what is he talking about?

Because I didn't know.

Can you add to your list of things that I would love for you to watch?

Sister Act one and two.

Sister Act one.

And then the last of us is really good and you should get into it.

I think that people would really appreciate it in your life because it's just really good.

And it's like way better than other apocalyptic shows.

Like it's so good.

Like it literally is.

I would probably do anything you told me to do.

But I'm not sure.

Let me try a different angle with you.

It's not that good.

It's not that good.

Yeah, don't watch it.

Don't watch it.

Don't do it.

I don't even know if that works.

Everyone has like bad taste and you should follow your, it's like not worth it and it's

bad.

Okay.

Resounding bad.

No, that's actually.

That's good that you did that because I'm a Gemini so I do always do the opposite of what

people tell me to do.

Yeah.

Like seriously like the worst.

Yeah, you'll hate it.

I'm not even writing it down.

You know what?

It's not for you.

Okay.

Wait, what's the last thing?

And then the last thing was, what were we just talking about again?

The magnificent seven.

Oh yeah.

Could you please watch on YouTube?

You can usually find like an Olympic final.

Like if you could just watch like the women's Olympic team final, you will see Carrie's

drug in her whole iconic moment, which is such, oh my God, it is, it is the, it is probably

one of the most iconic Olympic moments in history.

Yeah, it's iconic.

Shannon Miller, Dominique Dawes, Dominique Machianu, fucking Amanda Borden, fucking J.C.

Phelps, fucking Amy Chow, Carrie Strag, this team is just iconic and they're just so amazing.

It is a stacked team.

Who did you think I knew?

I didn't hear what you said.

Dominique Dawes.

Dominique Dawes.

Awesome, Dawesum.

She just, I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to yell at you.

I feel like you literally like picked the spit out of your eye from which I like project

out through our zooms because I was so intense.

No, but that's all.

Just those things.

You got into Olympics this time around though, because the girls were super into gymnastics.

Like we now have all kinds of books about, you know, Simone Biles, they have Simone Biles

jackets now that they wear to school for them and say that they're Simone Biles.

I support the Olympics.

Yeah.

I love that.

I just feel like they were skating in gymnastics a lot.

I wanted to be a little figure skater when I was little and I wanted to actually be a

gymnastics girlie, but my mom said, we're broke, so we couldn't do that.

It's very, it's very, that part is very hideous and unfair.

I know.

Especially figure skating.

It's so expensive and geographically prohibitive.

Yeah.

Figure skating.

Very much.

Including me.

Yeah, I had a lot of resentment to work the world.

Including me.

Well, I often like to say to my mom that like most of my therapy, I spent like working through

the resentment that she didn't ride my back to St. Louis like to the nearest figure skating

rank because like I could have taken us to the Olympics, like she could have been my

momager if she would have just done that.

She would have just done it.

But then we wouldn't have gotten queer eye like the revamp, so.

You would have gotten and I could have been an Olympic.

Probably it would have had to have an ice dancer.

I think I could have, but then I would have had to have like given straight energy or

at least like convincing like mask and I don't know.

We wouldn't want that.

No.

Yeah.

I was like born in the wrong.

Everything.

I feel I meant to be a lady figure skater.

I feel.

I could have done it.

Damn it.

Yeah.

It was like next time.

No, my next life.

I'm going to be like Michelle Kwan.

Oh, I love that.

That era.

Yeah.

I love that.

That era was such an era.

Like I remember watching her on TV, me too.

I remember like the Nancy Kerrigan of it all.

Are you?

Well, yeah, I guess she was.

Yeah.

She won her last.

Michelle won her last world medal, which was bronze and 04.

So you would have been 7 by then.

So I believe.

9.

I believe.

9.

8 or 9.

9.

2004, I was graduating high school.

I was there.

I was there.

That's actually how I figured out how old I was going to be.

Yes.

Wait, are you guys the exact same age?

Yeah.

Are we?

I think we are.

You graduated in 2004.

I think we are.

You graduated in 2004.

Because you were born in.

85.

It should have been 5, but I graduated early.

So I graduated, I was born in like 87.

But I graduated.

See, I was born basically in 86.

I'm December 28th.

Yeah.

I graduated in 95.

So like, I'm right on that.

We're the same.

We're the exact same.

We're the same people.

We're the same person.

And you literally are like, I just love your guys.

It's wasting so much money.

We're two halves of a whole.

That just broke off.

Plus me.

Plus you.

You're one and a half.

And you're the sprinkle.

Oh, either on top.

Yes, I am.

We're three peas in a pod.

I love that.

We make a snap pea together.

I love that.

We do.

I love snap peas.

Literally.

Remember when a random lady on your street gave us snap peas and we ate them with no questions

asked?

We were in the garden.

And we said, okay.

And then later we were like, what?

Yeah.

Why did we do that to them?

We did.

That night we were like, oh my God.

Do you feel funny?

I feel fine.

Do you feel fine?

We felt fine.

She really grew them in her garden.

They were good.

I love local produce.

It's the best.

Who says no to local produce?

And she had them in a little basket that seemed legit.

It seemed so legit.

Seemed like a farmer basket.

She was great.

Get on her list again this year.

Right?

I think we just ran into her by happenstance.

And we were just walking her dog.

And we were just walking your kids.

Yeah.

I didn't give my kids the snap peas though.

You didn't.

No, I didn't do that.

I took them.

How can you take a lady snap peas and not eat them?

Yeah.

That's a really sweet story.

Right.

We're pretty wholesome, you know, just eating local produce.

I'm saying, is there anything else we want to chat about?

Well, we should chat about all the happiest things in the world, because my story is

not wholesome.

No.

It's not happy.

I want to hear it.

My story is sad.

Sad.

It's really sad.

And if you have a grandma that you love, and you don't want to hear about an older person

being murdered, then you should not listen to this.

But if you're Elena or JVN, you don't have a choice.

So it all started on December 19th, 2001, Anthony Calabro returned home to the house

that he shared with his great aunt Marina in Quincy, of course.

Marina from Quincy.

Rest in peace, Marina from Quincy.

Well, because when he walked in, he found his aunt dead at the bottom of a flight of

stairs.

Now, initially, the authorities believed that the 84-year-old had slipped and fallen to

her death, because obviously that's a pretty rational thought to have, sadly, a lot of

older people living by themselves can fall and hurt themselves and, you know, worse things

can happen.

But just 10 months later, the authorities came to a very different conclusion.

The scene had been staged, and Marina had been placed at the bottom of the stairs to

make it seem like her death was an accident.

Scary.

I hate this already.

Yeah, it's pretty rough.

So in time, detectives came to realize that her death had actually been orchestrated by

her 19-year-old great-nephew, Anthony.

With the help of his two teenage friends, he killed Marina, and they staged a cover-up

in order to inherit the money that she was going to leave him in her will, because...

My ship bags.

Always.

It's always about money in the will.

Always.

After the murder, obviously completely shocked the residents of Quincy, and it left so many

people wondering how three teenagers could brutally kill an 84-year-old woman in cold

blood like this.

That's what always amazes me, is when these people can get in a group, like you can get

more than one person that's like, let's murder this 84-year-old woman, and they're like,

yeah, that's a great idea.

Like, how do you get like-minded people like that?

That's the thing that's so scary, that all three of them sat there one day and had that

conversation, and then had further conversations to plan the whole thing.

It's like, what?

How are you that evil?

How do you not think old people are like the cutest?

I love old people.

Ugh.

So cute.

Well...

Thuckers.

Honestly.

Not old people.

The people that killed the...

Yeah.

Just because I feel like I actually hate old people.

So Marina really was well-loved, and her neighbors were especially surprised and obviously very

disappointed when they found out that she had died.

She was well-known in town, she had retired in the mid-90s, but before that, she had been

a fixture at the Marvel Beauty Salon, where she worked for over 40 years.

Oh my God, Marina.

A hairstylist like us.

Now when she retired, she focused all of her time on maintenance and upkeep of a multi-family

duplex that she owned on Bedford Street, and she had inherited that from her parents

when they passed years earlier, so she really wanted to like take care of this place.

Her neighbor told reporters, she was a champ.

Her lawn was always kept nice, and even when it snowed, she was out there shoveling.

Marina.

And other neighbors said they loved her.

She always had a pleasant presence, and she would always flash a quick wave when somebody

passed, and she always had candy for the kids.

Oh, stop it.

She would fish out a little caramel or a little strawberry.

Oh, one of those little strawberry hard candies.

Hell yeah.

I love those.

I love those so much.

I actually want those right now.

And I love a Werther's.

Oh, going to CVS.

Yes.

Now, Marina, she was a bad bitch.

She did not let retirement slow her down at all.

She kept in shape walking everywhere.

She was constantly doing her own yard work like we know, and she just like wanted to

do things around the house constantly.

She was like a doer.

So people were shocked when they heard that she had slipped down the stairs.

They were like, I don't know, she's in like really good shape, and she's constantly doing

stuff like agile.

Exactly.

So they were confused, but the medical examiner concluded that it was a straightforward case

of blunt neck trauma from a slip and fall accident that had resulted in her death.

And that was all there was to it, he said, until 10 months later, when the authorities

kind of started to grow suspicious of Marina's great-nephew, Anthony, because he had been

spending a lot of money not long after her death.

It's like, idiot, you're so dumb.

So two years earlier, and this is the thing, she had invited him and his two friends to

stay with her at her home.

So they'd been living there for like two years, and after her death, the three of them continued

living in the duplex on Bradford Street, and the neighbors were not thrilled about it.

One neighbor said of their time there, they would throw out trash from the second floor

of balcony, and the house just went to pot after that, which I've never heard.

Went to pot?

You've never heard that?

No, that's funny.

It's funny.

We totally say that.

Really?

Yeah.

So it went to pot after that.

In addition to the nonstop partying, there was kids coming and going at all hours, neighbors

were noticing new cars and other luxury items being delivered to the house.

Anthony even had a new puppy, which like, what are you doing with a puppy?

Take that dog away from him immediately.

And he already had a dog.

Oh.

He had one dog, and then after his aunt was killed, he bought another one.

How do you have dogs and kill an old lady?

I have absolutely no idea.

Like, how do you reconcile those two parts of yourself?

That's like a dichotomy in a half.

That's a lot.

It really is.

Well, if you think about it, if you murdered someone, you might feel depressed, so maybe

you would want a dog because you feel less sad.

Yeah, that's true.

That's kind of mixed up.

And you'd be scared that that person you murdered in that home that you are now living in is

going to haunt you.

Haunt your ass.

Yes.

You'd probably be pretty paranoid.

So you'd get a dog to like have a fear.

I hope she haunted the shit out of them.

I hope so too.

I would.

I absolutely would.

Marina would.

I doubt in my mind Marina was in those halls.

Marina from Quincy was haunting his ass.

For sure.

Yeah.

She had her blow dryer turned on.

Hell yeah.

She was like burning her neck.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She's like, get out of here.

Now, the sad thing is, she had always been extremely, extremely fond of Anthony.

And remember, this is her great nephew.

She included him in her will.

I was just going to say, they were close enough that she did that.

That's a big deal.

She put him in her will.

And she invited him to live there with his friends.

Like, come on.

Now, he was supposed to get more than $200,000 cash once she had died.

Wow.

So she left him a lot of money.

Oh my God.

Now, once he got that money after murdering her, he wasted no time spending it.

He got a new Corvette, which like people are going to notice if you park a Corvette outside

of a duplex in Quincy.

And also like really, yeah, like really, he got big screen televisions.

And this is a quote, more than $80,000 on military equipment, including grenade launchers

for where Lally and himself.

Those are his two friends.

I'm sorry.

What a fucking flaming pile of garbage.

Yeah.

And also, where do you just buy a recreational grenade launcher?

But it does.

It does speak to the failure of our education system that like that's how people think that

like you should like didn't let me teach you 401k, you better fucking invest that shit.

Like what do you mean?

Like buying rocket launchers.

Yeah.

Like, we don't even know.

Like all of it.

I guess I only learned about that stuff like two years ago, but still, but still, but

that's the whole problem.

You know, they don't teach us that stuff.

It's true.

I had no idea what a 401 teaching about like, yes, we needed to teach the people like how

to like not like how to have safe sex and how to like have enough money.

Yeah.

Because like things that we need to like, yes, taxes, how do you balance a checkbook?

Yeah.

Yeah.

What happens at the end of high school?

I literally used to have to Google how to write on an envelope, like how to address

an envelope because we just didn't learn that.

Oh, we totally learned that.

We did learn that.

And now they're not even teaching kids cursive.

How are you going to sign my mind?

Which that is so fucking like, I love cursive cues.

I love cursive.

Me too.

Cursive cues are so fun.

Oh, good times.

Those were the days.

Do people often tell you about how fun it is that you say exactly with your tea like

that?

It's like so.

It's like a divided nation because some people really, really love it.

I also never knew that I did that before I had a podcast.

You know, I never noticed it either.

No.

My grandma would be so proud of me.

My grandma, you pronounce every freaking syllable.

So that's probably why I say it exactly.

Yeah.

It was a joke for me.

I'm like the first episode.

Like it was like, it's like one of my, I'm team loves.

Thank you.

Makes me feel happy.

But when you say that, and anyone who says opposite is like weird, but it's also so interesting

like looking at you guys when you talk because I'm like, wow, like now you know, who says

what that whole time, like you just learned so much.

No, it's even more magical.

I love that.

It's like, you, it's like when you love someone and now you can imagine like where they're

sitting in their house when you're chatting with them, like that's what my grandma always

said.

She had to come to your house cause she didn't like chatting on the phone and not being able

to like envision where you were.

I love that.

I love that a lot.

And now like, it's like really cute.

Like in a non creepy way.

Yeah.

I love that.

Also, are you going to come to our pod lab someday?

Yeah.

In like real life?

Please.

We have a whole set up over there to like sit down.

Our friend Mikey's in the corner.

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But wait, so then what happened?

So she's so nice.

So nice.

So she's so nice.

Puts them in the will.

Then they kill her.

They're buying grenade launchers and according to their friend Jim Morrill, I hope I'm saying

that right.

The boys had, quote, dreamed about becoming mercenary soldiers, which is what the whole

grenade launcher was about.

And now that they had the money, they were stockpiling weapons at this point.

Weird.

Now Jim, he had spent three or four days a week at Anthony's house, both before and

after Marina had been killed.

And Jim had dreams of becoming a professional musician and he actually played in a band

with Anthony and his friend, Weir, and the band was called Electronic Kill Machine, which

like honestly, lame name, if you ask me.

Yeah, that one doesn't do the whole like, hello, Cleveland, we are electric kill machine.

No, I'm out.

Right.

I'm leaving.

It doesn't work.

Yeah, I've already left.

Left the building.

Now, apparently they were doing all right because they had already released a CD, a compact

disc, and they were hoping to release another one now that they had the money.

But Jim's enthusiasm for the band and his friends, it took a serious nosedive in late

October of that year.

The thing that like really turned things on their side was when Anthony confided in him

that they had all murdered Marina the Great Aunt, Jim didn't really love that.

Well, good for Jim.

Yeah.

I'm glad Jim did not love that.

But Jim had questions.

He was like, why did you kill Great Aunt Marina?

Like, why would you ever do that?

I would also have that question and Anthony was like, yeah, like I can't just wait around

for her to die of natural causes.

Oh my gosh.

Like you're a disgusting human.

You can't just wait around.

He's a vile human.

Why don't you spend time with her?

Why don't you find out what she did in her life?

Yeah.

Why don't you stop being a dick?

Ask her about the salon.

Yeah.

Right.

Ask her about running this duplex.

Well, and as we know, there are so many good stories in a salon.

I can't imagine 40 years worth of salon stories.

Could have said something.

Yeah.

But it's like, if you are on that murder track for the will money, it's...

You don't care.

Yeah.

Those probably aren't sounding quite juicy enough.

No, he didn't think so.

So Jim was like, okay, like, thanks for telling me that, like not going to tell the police.

Definitely not.

He did tell the police.

Good Jim.

We love Jim.

We love Jim.

Jim is who we're fighting for.

There you go.

So actually, and he had to sit through a whole car ride home with Anthony first.

Awkward.

And imagine being in a fucking car with this kid, he murdered his great aunt, like what?

No.

So he drops Jim off at home and Jim immediately goes to his dad and is like, listen to what

Anthony just told me.

And the two of them went straight to the Quincy police department to make a report.

To make a report, Ken.

To make a report.

So Jim worked with Quincy detectives on a plan to get his friend's confession on tape.

Oh.

And just a few days later, that plan was set into motion.

Is there a wire?

There's a wire, mama.

Oh, I love a wire.

I love a wire.

So Jim meets up with Jason Ware, one of the friends at McDonald's in Norton.

Ooh.

I have been there.

I used to go there all the time in high school.

Damn.

Crazy.

I wasn't there when this happened.

No.

Jason didn't know it, but Jim was wearing a wire.

And he was about to hear exactly what had happened the day that Marina was killed.

Can you imagine how stressful it would be to wear a wire?

No.

I can't even fathom it.

Especially in a scenario where like, like in a scenario different than this, where like

somebody could potentially like feel you for a wire or in a place like not a public place

if you're like in their house or they're in your house, which happens or in a car or

something.

Oh, terrifying.

Have you ever watched Good Girls?

No.

Yes.

Love that show.

Yeah.

So good with Rhett.

Love that.

Yeah.

So good.

There you go.

So this is what happens in the wire too.

That makes sense.

I need to watch that.

I've been meaning to watch that.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

Well, great theme song too.

Agreed.

So in the afternoon of December 19th, Anthony, Thomas, Lalli and Jason where they drove

to Marina's house and Anthony waited in the car with his dog, the one that he already

had, while the other boys went inside.

So he couldn't even do this himself, by the way, which like, I'm kind of glad, I guess,

but I'm not glad at all because this story is awful.

So Marina was out that day doing what Marina did.

She was probably giving children candy, taking care of her lawn, just like being an amazing

human being.

And when she got home, she was surprised to find the two boys in her kitchen.

And even more so when she saw that there was newspaper lying everywhere on the ground and

all the surfaces.

The newspaper had been put down earlier because they decided it would soak up the blood.

Now as she moved closer into the kitchen, she was met by Thomas Lalli, who was holding

a cast iron skillet that he had taken from the cabinet.

Marina was obviously terrified, so she was like, what are you doing with that?

And he replied, this is what I'm doing with this and brought the cast iron skillet down

on her head.

With such force, this is a quote that the handle broke off.

Also, you're fucking gross.

I love that he had the whole like, this is what I'm doing with this.

You're a 19 year old.

This woman has lived her whole fucking life for you, you piece of shit and garbage to

do this to her and they're 19, like 19 is well above the age.

Of course it is.

And one of them shenanigans should be happening.

Yeah.

They were like, two of them are 19 and one was 17.

Yeah.

It's like you are way too old.

Get fucked.

Drones as adults.

Get fucked.

Get fucked.

Truly get fucked.

Get fucked.

Exactly.

So Lalli, he expected that the blow from the cast iron pan would be enough to kill

the 84 year old.

But there was blood coming down her face and she started screaming for Anthony.

Oh my God.

Completely unaware that he was outside in the car, knowing full well what was going

on inside.

Oh my God.

She's yelling for him.

For help.

Oh, that hurts my heart.

So she started screaming and he, Lalli, grabs a yellow tea kettle from the stove top and

he beat her with that even after she fell to the ground.

And when she was down, he climbed on top of her and started to manually strangle her with

his hands, but she was fighting back.

She scratched at his face.

She bit his arm and she was screaming.

So when he realized how difficult it is actually to strangle somebody, he instead held a small

pillow over her face yelling, let go, give in.

Anthony wants it this way.

Like that's what she heard in her dying moments was that her great-grand-nephew had wanted

this to happen.

Dark.

Oh.

Like that is brutal.

And like, for what?

I wonder if they were on drugs because there is such like a disassociation from reality.

Yeah.

And a lot of times when you hear about like murders like that, like it is like the paranoia,

the soldiers, the murder, like all of it's like, yeah, or it's like, or maybe that's just

like my brain wanting to say that because it's like otherwise you literally sober decided

to fucking cold blood murder.

That's what I was gonna say.

Like your 84 year old auntie, which makes you a fucking monster.

An absolute monster.

It's like addiction and that's not who your soul is or whatever, but it's really fucked

up.

I don't think they were on drugs.

I didn't read anything that said they were, which makes it like you were just saying makes

it worse.

Oh, it's awful.

So five or so minutes later, Anthony entered the apartment and this is fucking insane.

Walks over to his great aunt who had taken him in, put him in her will, looked at her

lifeless body on the floor and quote, gave a shrug before leaving the room.

Just was like, wow.

Like you are a soulless piece of garbage.

You should never be allowed around people ever again.

Never.

So before doing anything else, they thoroughly washed Marina's body.

They were trying to get rid of any kind of evidence, but she had scratched on his face.

I was just going to say she took some evidence and she bit him, so then they carried her

to the top of the stairwell and dumped her body down the stairs to make it seem like

she'd fallen.

Wild.

I'm also like, who was the medical examiner?

Don't you think that's a thing?

Like you're not going to suffer that much.

Like what they have seen at the blows to the head were like pre-mortem and post-mortem

like falling down.

Like wouldn't that be, like would that be something that they could tell?

They could definitely tell whether a wound is post or peri-mortem or pre-mortem or pre-mortem

or pre-mortem.

Would it be possible that she was maybe like a still a little bit of a lot?

But if they watched, I mean maybe, I don't know when she died at that point, but they

washed her.

Yeah.

Like if they washed her up and like cleaned up, that's a lot of time and that's enough

time for blood to clot, which means any of those wounds you could tell whether they

were done post or pre-mortem or even peri.

So I think the medical examiner probably was like, oh, like look, she fell down the stairs

and like didn't look too much further into it.

I was going to say that's like not good because she's 84.

So like maybe he was just, or they were like, and you'd think they just like, she would

be very bad and I know it fall down the stairs.

If you, I mean, it depends on the stairs.

It depends on what it's a duplex, I think, and it's a duplex in Boston.

So to me, I'm, if I'm seeing the stairs, that's a steep, long set of stairs potentially

even curved.

I feel like a lot of them are randomly curved or they're just like really long and thin.

So like, I guess that could cause a lot of damage, especially if you went, you know,

head over feet.

Right.

Exactly.

But like, but still like pre and post, like you were saying it was going to take time

to wash her up and everything.

They would also, I feel like, I know that they put down the newspapers, but it's like, there

would be some spray.

Like that hit would cause some kind of splash.

Especially if she had like pulled it back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think no one found that.

If it sounds to me like they were just very ready to, yeah, open and shut.

They found her at the bottom of the stairs.

She's 84.

She fell.

Work here's done.

Wow.

And I don't know about the crime rate in Quincy, but I'm sure it's not like a very quiet area.

No.

So I think they probably were like maybe overloaded.

You could think.

I could see that.

Yeah.

So.

So they did all of that.

Unbelievable.

Later that day, they cleaned the apartment.

They gathered up the bloody newspapers and then they drove to Norton where they dropped

wear off at his parents house and Anthony and Lally went on to dispose of the frying pan

and the tea kettle in a pond before heading back to Quincy.

Now Anthony and Lally waited at the apartment until 11 o'clock at night and then called

the police to report that Anthony had come home and found his beloved dear aunt like

this.

Wow.

So police found out from the wire that that's exactly what had happened and they were all

three arrested.

So he was just like, yeah.

He told the whole story.

Wow.

Now, when it came time for the trial, all three of them actually pleaded not guilty, which

I'm like, honey, is that you on the wire because like we all heard that.

Yeah.

Now, Lally pleaded not guilty to first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

Anthony for first degree murder, accessory before the fact to murder and conspiracy

to commit murder.

And we are for first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

All three trials actually were hung up for like years and years because of administrative

and pre-trial matters, all that stuff, stupid stuff.

But by March of 2006, all the respective hurdles have been cleared and Thomas Lally was the

first to go on trial.

Bye Lally.

Bye.

Now, in his opening remarks, I have to laugh when I say this because it's Norfolk.

Norfolk County District Attorney Robert Nelson.

There's like no other way to say it.

Yeah.

It's not Norfolk.

Yeah, Norfolk.

Yeah.

The district attorney Robert Nelson, he told the jury about how the boys had planned the

murder months in advance.

So this was months in advance they planned this.

They developed a strategy after visiting websites and watching TV shows about how to get rid

of forensic evidence.

Oh, God.

And according to Norton, Calabro, Anthony there, and the other boys did this because

they thought they were going to inherit more than 700,000 when Marina died.

And they would split.

They said that Anthony told the boys they would split it evenly.

It's like, number one, I don't know who you think you are.

Like you're not getting 700,000 dollars and clearly he's not going to split it equally

with you.

No, of course he's not.

And also, that's sweet Aunt Marina.

What the fuck are you doing?

Yeah.

Now, in exchange for their participation, Weir was expecting a $28,000 pickup truck.

And Lally thought he was going to get his amount in cash.

But at the end of the day, Weir only received $6,500, which still is a lot of money.

And Lally got somewhere between $8,000 and $10,000 because he had been the one to do

everything.

Wow.

Now, when you thought you were going to get $200,000.

A little different.

A little different.

So only $10,000 to kill somebody and then live with that for the rest of your life.

And not even, they said between $8,000 and $10,000.

So, you know, that was like $9,000 something, if that.

It's like also no amount of money is worth it to murder a sweet old woman in her home.

And to like brutally.

While she's calling for her nephew.

Yeah.

Oh God.

That's what kills me.

Like that part.

Yeah.

Sweet old little Marina.

But not a sweet old little who like gives candy to children and like weaves at her neighbors

and it's just been a staple.

No, I want you there.

Dress her.

I ate it.

I ate it so much.

I ate it.

Cause you know, she was just the sweetest.

Yeah.

Marina from Quincy.

But now the good thing, well, it's like a good and bad thing, but it works out because

the evidence against Lally, it was largely circumstantial, but it was just circumstantial,

excuse me, but it was still significant.

When the police arrived at Anthony's house on the night of the murder, they actually

had noted, which I'm like, you noted this and you still said that it was not a murder.

They noticed that he had scratches on his face and a bite mark on his arm.

And they asked him about it that night actually.

And he said he got them during a fight with Anthony earlier that day.

No, no.

Like girl.

You check that.

I have to go.

You check that.

But later on they ended up searching Lally's home and they found scraps of the newspapers

that had been laid out and Jim was able to direct them to the pond where they had dumped

the cast iron skillet in the tea kettle and they recovered those items with the help of

a dive team.

I wonder where the pond was.

We're fucked.

It was in Norton.

Oh, it was one of the Norton ponds.

Holy shit.

I bet you know which one it is.

Ooh.

So the most damning was the testimony from Jason Weir.

He actually agreed to testify against Lally in exchange for a reduced charge.

He was going to get manslaughter with a maximum sentence of 10 years.

So on the stand, Weir admitted to being in the apartment and he said he may have tried

to restrain Marina and actually even handed Lally the pillow.

That was what killed her, but it was Thomas who had struck her with all those blows that

had killed her.

I'm sorry.

If you held down an 84 year old who had already been bludgeoned, you're a fucking monster

too.

And also just that there would be like.

What's his name?

Jason.

Yeah.

And also to be like, well, I may have restrained her, but I don't remember.

Fuck off.

You don't remember murdering someone?

Oh, I do.

Jason, I hate you just as much.

I hate Jason.

I hate Thomas.

I hate Anthony.

Fuck you, Jason.

But yeah, so he said that.

And then he told the jury in the days leading up to the murder that Lally had made several

comments to suggest that he was actually excited about going through with this and that afterwards

where was so scared to report the crime because of all of that and he feared retaliation from

Lally.

And that's why he didn't tell anybody.

It's like, no, you didn't tell anybody because you held her down and you handed a pillow

that's.

I was going to say, that's the thing, you know, you were a pivotal, you played a pivotal

role in this whole thing.

That's why you didn't say anything.

Exactly.

Don't play with me, Jason.

Fuck off.

Fuck and play around here.

So arguing in Lally's defense, attorney, which like, I don't know how you do that.

Attorney Robert Griffin told the jury that the police and the prosecutor had prosecute

or excuse me, I'd gotten everything wrong.

He said, Jason, where is the one who killed Marina Calabro?

Uh, no, but he told the jury that the DNA evidence collected at the scene was not a

match for Lally, who had simply gone along with his friends.

It's like, I love that that's a defense.

Sure.

This 19 year old was peer pressured into brutally bludgeoning an 84 year old to death.

Like, I'm sorry, am I supposed to go, oh, okay, don't throw him in jail then.

It's fine.

Yeah.

Make him pay a fine.

Don't worry about it.

He'll get over it.

And also like, she had had plenty of people over in the cut, in like the days and stuff

before that, like that could have been anybody's DNA.

We all know what happened here.

Yeah.

They continued living in her house and using her money to buy grenade launchers.

Jesus.

We know what happened.

Yeah.

So, he was not the mastermind, Anthony was, and he was not the murderer, Jason was.

Oh, he just, he had nothing to do with it.

Exactly.

So finally, Thomas Lally there took the stand for himself in his own defense, and he told

the jury that it was Jason Weir who had killed the woman.

Oh my God.

They were like, okay, okay, okay, sounds good.

And then they deliberated for five hours, and when they came back, they found Thomas

Lally guilty.

Oh, good.

Okay.

On first degree murder.

I was like, I swear to God, if you get me, not guilty.

They were like, I will.

Don't you do it.

And the superior court judge, Charles Grebaugh, I want to say it is, sentenced Lally to the

mandatory sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.

And then the Norfolk District Attorney, there was a lot of emphasis on that there, sorry.

He said that he was satisfied with the outcome, but he, quote, remained troubled by the savagery

of her death, which is like the same.

Very savage.

Now, it seems like Thomas Lally's conviction definitely put some fear into Anthony because

in June of 2006, just a couple of months after Lally was sentenced, Anthony ended up changing

his tune and he decided that he was going to be pleading guilty to the second degree

murder of his great aunt.

Please.

It's like, first, please.

Please.

He planned it.

He cried before the court.

He said he played a role in her death and he said, I'm disgusted with myself.

I'm disgusted with my lack of action and attempting to stop it or anything else for that matter.

You mean when she was calling out for you?

And also like to stop it, like you continued even after she died, you divvied out her money

to your friends who you had hired to kill her.

Yeah.

He's so sad that he didn't stop doing that.

You're sorry you got caught.

Yeah.

Your tears mean nothing.

Exactly.

And that's how the judge felt too.

And he sentenced him to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 15 years.

Hate that.

Oh.

Hate that.

Yeah.

We don't love the possibility.

2006, 15 years.

Oh.

That wasn't.

We're not done yet.

Oh.

Oh.

Now because of his deal, Jason Weir pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to

10 years with credit for the four years already served while he was awaiting trial.

Now for a little tea though.

In July of 2006, after all three cases had been settled, it was discovered that the Norfolk

County prosecutor, Susan Cochran, or yeah, I think that's it, had shared audio interviews

and other evidence and sensitive materials with the CBS News Program 48 hours.

What?

And she was immediately fired.

Oh, shit.

She got fired for that.

Damn.

Now in January of 2022, Anthony was granted parole.

Yup.

Fuck.

He had been denied once in 2017, but given his age at the time of the crime and his record

of good behavior while in prison, probably because there's no old ladies to kill.

84-year-olds.

Yeah.

The parole board felt that he had been rehabilitated and was a suitable candidate for parole.

And they specifically cited his participation, quote, in numerous prison programs, including

one called Alternatives to Violence.

It's like, well, I'm glad he participated in that.

So he's like 42 or something now?

Like 42 or 43?

Yeah.

I hate it.

I'm really bad at mental math, but I think that sounds right.

Because if he was like 19 in 2001 and the trial didn't go on until 2005 or so, yeah,

like 19 in 2001.

So then like 21, he was like 39.

Yeah.

It's like 41.

He's just walking these streets.

He's just walking these streets.

Now.

And you murdered your great, or your great aunt.

Your great auntie?

84-year-olds.

That's like my Lollie.

We call ours Lollie.

Oh, that's so cute.

I love that.

How could you do that?

And it's like.

There's Lollie and Pops.

Stop.

That's so cool.

Her husband.

He's so rude.

And if you're going to kill somebody, you know that brutally.

Like, I mean, he didn't do the killing, but he like set it all up.

You can do that for someone you love.

Yeah.

What are you capable of?

For somebody you don't know.

Now according to the terms of his parole, he'll be released to a minimum security facility

and he was going to stay there for a year.

And then after that, he would be released quote on a home plan that would include a curfew

and electronic monitoring.

So we have that to settle our stomachs.

Okay.

So in May of 2022, so pretty recently, Jim Morrill's story of being a voluntary undercover

agent on behalf of the Quincy Police Department was featured on the Discovery Channel series,

I Went Undercover.

And the series producer told the Patriot Ledger, this series is all about regular people taking

great risks and going undercover.

When we heard about Jim's story and his bravery, it was a natural fit for the series.

So yeah, that is the story of two, three actually, fucking crazed individuals, three pieces

of shit who murdered sweet, sweet Marina.

Marina.

I mean, she rest in peace.

Fuck him.

Hey, poor Marina.

RIP Marina.

We loved you before we even knew you.

Truly.

I loved her so much.

That's such an upsetting one.

It's very upsetting.

Oh, shout out to Dave for helping me with research on that.

Shout out to Dave.

Yes, Dave.

Oh my God.

To the end just said, yes, Dave.

Yes, Dave.

That was amazing.

What a story.

I know.

It was upsetting.

It was really sad.

I definitely need to watch Sister Act one and two.

Yeah, you do.

To move on from that.

Yeah.

Also, The Last of Us is so good.

And also, so is the 1996 Women's Olympic Team Final.

That's true.

But nobody likes The Last of Us.

I know.

We hate it.

Off.

Here's the thing with The Last of Us.

You knew.

I was like, I won't watch this.

I was like, John, my husband loves an apocalyptic movie.

Me too.

Loves.

He loves a worldwide epidemic.

He loves.

I already have my checklist.

Yeah.

I already know exactly what I would do.

There you go.

That's John.

That's good.

That's good planning.

Yeah.

Raid the pharmacy, get my HIV medicine.

That's the motherfucking first thing.

Yeah, there you go.

Did I want to get the guns?

I'm really not into guns.

I would guess.

I thought we were scared of them.

Yes.

But in that situation.

No.

If it's Armageddon, post-apocalypse.

Like, I'm getting so fucking gunny with it, then I'm taking my ass to the grocery store.

I'm getting all those fucking cans, the canned goods, and the Pop Tarts, even though they're

not in the can.

They still count.

Oh, Pop Tarts count.

Oh, they are coming out.

Preserved cans.

What kind of Pop Tarts do you guys like?

All of them, really.

I like the brown sugar cinnamon ones.

The Oreo ones.

Those are my favorite.

And I was just going to say, the cookies and cream ones are a dessert Pop Tart.

I like the strawberry too.

Just go classic.

Love.

I like the s'mores.

That's my second favorite.

S'mores is so good.

Yes.

Brown sugar cinnamon's my number one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Brown sugar is classic.

I want a s'mores Pop Tart.

If you want to get really decadent with it, I should say, then you put them in the toaster.

Take them out when they're nice and warm.

Do you put ice cream on them?

No.

But that sounds great.

Butter.

You put a little butter on the crust.

Oh, no, you put butter on the whole thing.

Okay, good.

Okay, good.

You know what I do?

I'm so impatient and so and able to control myself that I will eat.

I will take one package out, eat them together, stacked on top of each other cold.

Like I will while I toast the other pair.

Amazing.

I toast the other pair.

It's a meal.

That's next level.

I need it.

I need it up front.

Like I can't wait for three minutes, but I like it room temp and hot.

So I just do both.

It works both ways.

It always laughs at me like whenever we order food or something, I eat something in preparation

for the food to come.

She's like, we have food coming.

I'm like, yeah, but I'm really hungry.

I feel that though.

Yeah.

Actually, my nutritionist taught me to do that because like then you don't overeat the

meal.

I still do.

Yeah.

It does help me though.

I also like have a snack like before I order now because then I'm like a little bit less

enraged.

I'm a grazer.

You are.

I'm a grazer.

I like to eat throughout the day.

Drew and I are doing a challenge this month where we don't order Door Dash for dinner

because it's gotten really, really bad.

I was going through my statement the other day and I was like, all of my money is going

to Door Dash.

Same.

And I am getting married in 33 weeks and these hips, they do lie.

They do lie.

They do not.

Shakira.

Shakira for life.

So yeah.

So yeah.

That's that.

That's that.

This is the most fun I ever had.

This is so much fun.

We need to do this again.

I want to do this.

And it'll be easier to schedule and we'll bring our new phones.

Yeah.

I love you so much.

Can we just like, I just, I have to still finish part two of the Hollywood Slayer.

That's where I am.

Oh yes.

That one is rough.

That one's gnarly.

You should start Vanderpump rolls.

If I'm going to watch Sister Act, you should start Vanderpump rolls.

That's true.

It's kind of uneven.

It's kind of uneven.

I'm only giving you like four hours and even then I'm only giving you seven hours.

That's true.

We're giving you 10 seasons.

You're giving me like such a big commitment.

Yeah.

So I think here's what's more accurate.

You get through Sister Act one and two and then 1996 women's Olympic team final.

And the last of us.

When I shall embark on the, that's more than I can, I just like an hour for hours.

I'm telling you the last of us, I did not want to like it, but I love Pedro Pascal and

you will too.

And also that third episode.

From one hairdresser to another.

If you just like appreciate it for like the lighting, the hair and the makeup, like how

would you dress someone's hair if it had not been cut for 20 years, if the world had shut

down?

Like how would you interpret?

Like that's kind of like, because like before I made TV, I didn't watch TV for that as much.

But then once I understood like what it looks like in real life versus what it looks like

on TV, like in an unscripted way.

Now I like, I appreciate more of like lighting and like how long it would have took the others

like more art there that I think you would appreciate if you just would give yourself

the chance.

And the monsters in the last of us are some of the most horrifically gorgeous monsters.

You said there's monsters.

They are like the bad things.

The infected.

And it gets better.

Like you get more of them and there's different stages of infected where they look different.

Okay.

Most gorgeous makeup I've ever seen.

All right.

I'm telling you both right now, I'm going to watch this, but it's going to take me a

long time to get through it because I have to watch it by myself and I think it might,

I think the first, I watched the pilot like the first episode like four times in like

the first week because it was so, it was giving layers, layers, more layers than a fucking

shag, honey.

And you know, that's a lot of motherfucking layers.

I'm going to film you when you get to that third episode because I have to pass that

trauma on that.

It's a curveball.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

It's gorgeous.

We're going to have to watch it together when Drew goes away.

Okay.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm asking for you.

I am asking you to aggressively make some time for this.

Yeah.

I'll force it.

We don't have time for a fucking vacation out of your partner.

When the fuck's he going to leave?

He's all, you guys are together all the time, all I ever hear about in your podcast.

I don't have time for two weeks.

I don't have time for that shit.

Elena does it.

Nobody does.

Nobody has time for two weeks.

Please.

Can you imagine if someone, yes.

Yes.

Okay.

You have.

I can't lie to you.

I will.

Just episode one.

Okay.

The word of the Lord.

Please.

Either you're a really good liar or you're going to because I feel like your face changed.

Yeah.

Because I feel like I believe you.

Like I went from not believing to like not about anything just about the last of us specifically.

Yeah.

Of course.

She knows that I'm going to make it happen.

I'll watch it.

Will you send me a DM?

Yeah.

Of course I'll send you a DM.

I want to know what you think.

Oh, you just sent it to me.

Yeah.

Please.

Or just text me.

It's even better.

Sometimes I forget that.

I'm pretty sure it's probably better for you that I do forget that.

No.

Don't forget.

Yeah.

Always remember.

Yeah.

I'm going to text you once I'm done with it.

There you go.

Morbid is number one.

Morbid has so much fun.

Okay.

Now let's do your thanks for listening.

Okay.

I was just going to invite you to do it.

Do you want to do the keep it weird?

Yes.

Okay.

So guys, well, that was our episode with JVN.

I'm very sad that it is over.

But with all that being said, we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep.

Keep it weird.

Jonathan, but not so weird that what?

But not so weird that you try to take your step auntie's inheritance and then take your

two best friends and then murder her with a frying pan and a teapot and then clean her

body and then take her up to the top of the stairs and then throw her down the stairs

and then get grenade launchers and all this weird fucking shit and just like take care

of your family.

But do do that.

But don't do the other stuff.

No.

He said it.

That was really good.

That was really good.

That was really impressive.

I love the end of the podcast so much.

Like, I love it when you do that.

That was so organic.

I just did it justice.

Oh, you did really good.

I felt it go off first and I said, like, why can't you just take care of people?

Because it's like not so weird that you would was like, yeah, you do it and take care of

people.

That's only the bad stuff.

Yeah, you got it.

Yeah, you killed it.

You got it.

That was really good.

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