Global News Podcast: Clashes as Macron pushes through controversial pension reforms
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I'm Valerie Sanderson and in the early hours of Friday the 17th of March, these are our main
stories. Clashes in Paris after President Macron forces his controversial pension bill through
parliament without a vote. Several big US banks pump billions of dollars into an ailing lender
to try to avert more financial uncertainty. Also, the private Russian military group Wagner
is using tens of thousands of Russian prisoners to overwhelm Ukrainian positions.
We get access to the front line of the most ferocious fighting in Ukraine and
my mission was to physically and psychologically shatter the system of white supremacy in
Mississippi. A new BBC Sounds podcast about the first black person to go to the University of
Mississippi in the US. In several cities in France thousands of protesters have been out on the
streets demonstrating against President Macron's decision to bypass parliament and push through
controversial pension reforms which increased the age of retirement from 62 to 64. In Paris scuffles
with riot police broke out and water cannon were fired. French media are reporting more than 70
arrests. France's second largest trade union, the CGT, called for new nationwide strikes.
Its leader is Catherine Perret.
Given the support from a vast majority of the population that has been mobilized for weeks,
the unions continue to independently demand the withdrawal of this reform with calm and
determined actions and call on unions to hold small gatherings this weekend and for a new
death strikes and demonstrations to be held on Thursday the 23rd of March. A correspondent in
Paris who Scofield was watching at a chaotic session of parliament's lower house.
There was pandemonium in France's national assembly, left-wing MPs in toning the national anthem
as the Prime Minister, Elisabeth Bourne, struggled to make the formal announcement that her
government was giving up the idea of a vote in parliament on the pension reform plans and instead
forcing the measure through using a constitutional procedure known as the 49-3. Earlier she and
President Macron had concluded that it was impossible to win over enough conservative votes
to be sure of a majority. It means that Mr Macron should now get his way with the changes which he
says are vital for the long-term viability of the pension regime, but it comes at a cost.
By showing himself unable to muster a majority in parliament, he's effectively conceded to the
opposition of left and right their argument that with these reforms he's overruling the will of
the people. For weeks now France has been living through a campaign of strikes, demonstrations
and now uncollected rubbish. This looks set to intensify.
He's co-filled in Paris. In an extraordinary move to contain panic in the banking system,
almost a dozen of America's biggest financial institutions have agreed a multi-billion dollar
bailout for the U.S. regional bank First Republic. Its share price fell dramatically in recent days,
as investors worried it could be the next financial institution to fail.
Our North America business correspondent, Samir Hussein, explains why the banks had no choice but to act.
They are basically trying to shore up confidence in the American banking system. The collapse of
those two U.S. banks really spooked investors and consumers that are left wondering, well,
if those banks have collapsed, which ones could possibly be next? And a lot of investors were
thinking it could be a regional bank like First Republic. In the recent days we saw that the
share price for First Republic was cut in half and depositors took out billions of dollars from
the bank. That had everyone very spooked about, again, that contagion idea. So a consortium of
11 banks have stepped in and said, okay, well, here's $30 billion of uninsured loans going to
First Republic. The U.S. government and U.S. regulators are really trying to get in front
of the banking crisis. And in fact, the Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was testifying to Congress.
Now, she was meant to testify about the U.S. budget, but there were lots of questions about
what has happened in the banking industry in the last few days. Have a listen to what she said.
I can reassure the members of the committee that our banking system is sound and that Americans
can feel confident that their deposits will be there when they need them. This week's actions
demonstrate our resolute commitment to ensure that our financial system remains strong and
that depositors' savings remain safe. Inflation has been the word de jour for many, many days,
because interest rates have been climbing all around the world to try and contain inflation.
And now we heard from the ECB that just said, we're still going to raise interest rates by
half a percentage point, seeing all of what's happening and saying, well, look, we're still
going to stay the course. The question is, of course, what are central banks to do in the
midst of all of this? America's central bank, the Federal Reserve, they are going to be meeting
next week. And they're obviously watching all of this and the impact that rising interest rates
has really had on all of these banks. Samira Hussein. A new study spanning the seven decades
up to 2021 shows how the life expectancy of countries has changed. Although people are living
longer overall, rich nations, including the UK and the US, have plummeted in the rankings,
with Britain falling to number 36 during the COVID pandemic, just above Chile, Costa Rica and Thailand.
Professor Martin McKee from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
is co-author of the study. I asked him what struck him most in his research.
What was surprising was the scale of the decline in some of the countries that we looked at,
particularly the United Kingdom and the United States, that had really done badly
relative to other countries. And what countries are doing well?
Japan has done very well, although it started from a low base in the post-war period. France
was just a little bit below the UK in 1950 and has stayed relatively high.
And what about countries traditionally that have had low life expectancy like the African
countries? Are they still at the bottom? Sadly, they have stayed low. And in fact,
what we saw with the advent of HIV in many of them, the situation got considerably worse.
Did the COVID pandemic make a difference? It has done so, but we don't have all the data
from across the world yet. So it's a little bit too early to say, but we do know that there was a
big variation in the excess mortality in different countries for which we have data.
And what are the main reasons do you think for an increase or decrease in life expectancy?
Because the Scandinavian countries, they were at the top, what, in the 1950s, and they still are,
aren't they? That's right. And there's no single factor. We can look at things like obesity and
smoking and alcohol, and often we can find explanations there. But fundamentally, when a
country is seeing its life expectancy failing to improve, we have to look at the political
context, the decisions that are being made that affect the conditions in which people live their
lives. That's really what drives all of the other things. Is the room for optimism, though,
because people in the 50s, what they live to something like 65, and that's gone way up,
hasn't it? Obviously, at some point, we're going to reach a biological maximum, although we're
certainly not near that yet, because we can see that life expectancy has got to a very high level
in particularly the East Asian countries. There is a biological maximum. We don't have anybody
in the world who lives beyond 120. But at present, we're getting up to maximum life
expectancies in countries of the mid and high 80s. We can do a little bit better than that,
but I think we will at some point reach a theoretical maximum somewhere in the 90s.
The worrying thing is that we are seeing increases in what we call the deaths of despair.
Those are people who are dying in middle age or even younger in some countries that have been
experiencing significant economic problems, deindustrialization, and particularly the United
States and parts of the United Kingdom. Professor Martin McKee. Poland descending
four Soviet-era MiG fighter jets to Ukraine in the next few days. President Duda said other
planes were being serviced and would be handed over soon. Meanwhile, intense fighting continues
in Bakhmut, in eastern Ukraine, where tens of thousands have been killed. Two Ukrainian army
brigades defending the city's southern flank last week gave the BBC access to their positions.
The men have spent months facing regular Russian army forces and prisoners recruited by the Wagner
private military group who've swarmed their trenches in droves. From there, our correspondent
Quentin Somerville sent us this report. We're heading right to the very forward position.
Do you hear shelling right now? I feel an automatic gunfire. There's more shelling.
They get attacked here on a daily basis. The Russians are only 500 metres away,
all along this line. It's got a need fire, automatic gunfire, and tank fire. Keep down.
The enemy's positions are just there. Get ready to move fast.
Boris, a captain with the 28th Mechanized Brigade, was an architect before the war.
He and his brigade are from Odessa. They've been fighting since the very start, but Bakhmut
is the most brutal battle they've faced. Their enemy, 150 metres away at the nearest point,
is using new and cruel tactics. Have you captured any Russians here?
Yeah. The private Russian military group Wagner is using tens of thousands of Russian prisoners
to overwhelm Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut. The men are poorly trained and cut down by the dozen,
but they reveal the defenders' positions and are then followed by specialist Russian forces.
Wagner, they have absolutely no principles. We fight for our homeland, for our motherland,
for our family. They came here to rob, steal, rape, and kill.
This mud that you can hear is like porridge that pulls you in all sorts of directions.
It's difficult for men, it's difficult for machines. It makes fighting here all the harder.
The battle for Bakhmut has been going on more than seven months,
and it has created an enormous wasteland. In the north, and in the east, and here in the south,
the Russians have gained ground, but it's costing them. The Ukrainians say that for every soldier
they lose, the Russians lose seven. Bakhmut is a place which no one believes has any kind of
strategic value, yet thousands of men are dying here. And the reason they're dying is because
Ukraine says the longer it holds on here, the more Russian casualties, the more Russian armour
it absorbs and the longer it can hold out. These trenches are dug into the chalk, not very deep
though. It's cold, it's wet, there's water dripping. I have to be quiet here and I've already been
told to get my head down because we're about 800 metres from the Russians and we're within sniper
range. The conditions here would be familiar to the men's grandfathers, and so too with some of the
weaponry. Both brigades are using stout green belt-fed Maxim machine guns to see off Wagner
and regular Russian troops, as Fox of the 28th Brigade tells me. So it's Maxim's machine gun,
120 years of history of killing Russians, a weapon from the first world war that uses
in the third world war. And this is how the battle for Bakhmut is being fought. As winter
turns to spring in 24th century Europe, a 19th century weapon still mows down men by the score
in the black Ukrainian earth. Quentin Somerville in Bakhmut in Ukraine. This week we've been
reporting on an increasingly toxic squabble between the Pakistani government and its main rival,
the opposition politician Imran Khan. He lost a vote of no confidence as prime minister in April
last year, but he retains considerable support in the country. On Tuesday some of Mr Khan's
legions of supporters gathered at his residence in Lahore as police try to arrest him for failing
to show up in court, where he faces multiple charges from corruption to sedition. Razir
Iqbal spoke to Imran Khan at his home and asked him why he'd failed to appear in court.
Personally Razir, I've been going to all the cases. As of yesterday, it's gone from 80 to 85
cases now. I went to two in Lahore High Court and Islamabad High Court, but unfortunately there was
no security for me. So my lawyers have asked the judiciary that, look, client is willing to attend
all the cases. We only need two things. Either you give us security or you have me through video
conferencing. The one court case which I didn't attend which they came to arrest me, you take me
to court, my lawyers had made it clear that that place had had two terrorist attacks there. It's
a death trap. So you clearly have concerns about your own security. What has resulted in what looks
to be a bit of a thymasha outside your home over the last couple of days, just chaos with your
supporters coming to support you presumably. But the accusation that's been levelled at you by the
government is that you are using them as human shields, women and children included in the crowd.
When the police announced, people just came spontaneously outside my house. There's a fair
here that this is not being done just because they want some hoola flaw. It's because they want to
get me out of the way of elections. That is the claim that you have made time and again. However,
you have an awful lot of cachet as a leader. Why not just ask your supporters to leave?
First of all, I had protective bail in this case till the 18th. Number two, when the police came in
then my lawyer gave them an assurity bond that I would be present at the court on the 18th. The
law says that once you give them an assurity bond, the arresting officer, he does not arrest you. So
it was going to be an unlawful abduction. The only reason these all these 85 cases have been made
against me is to get me out of the way. The assassination attempt was made to get me out
of the way of elections. Out of 37 by elections, we have won 30. The law will sweep the elections.
The law says that your protective bail runs out on the 18th. On the 18th, will you hand
yourself in to the police? I was already going to the court on the 18th. So what was this drama
all about? This is why I suspect that if nothing do with law, they wanted to get me out of the
way by putting him in jail. The current prime minister is suggesting that talking is the only
way forward. Are you willing to engage in dialogue with the government? We are willing to hold
dialogue with anyone. But unfortunately, right now, the one that is backing this government,
the most powerful force is the military establishment. And I'm afraid this is where
we have an issue. When the establishment is supporting this assortment of 12 parties,
I'm afraid this is where the problem is. Who do you talk to? Because these people are just puppets.
We had a very good working relationship with the military establishment. But what happened in the
end? Why did the switchhorses when the country, according to the economic survey of Pakistan,
was performing the best in 17 years? In Corona, we were considered the top three countries who
dealt with COVID-19. So why did the switchhorses? I still don't know. The only way out of the
quagmire which we are getting stuck day by day are free and fair elections. Anything else we do,
we are only going to sink deeper. The government sitting in parliament right now,
they are petrified of elections because as the economy sinks, the troubles of people are getting
worse by the day. They are scared of elections. Imran Khan. Still to come in the Global News
podcast. For the first time, we have the access to AI that is as empowering as it is powerful.
As we move into this new era, all of us who build AI have a collective obligation to do so
responsibly. A warning from Microsoft as it launches an AI tool, it says, will change work
as we know it. As you may have heard in recent podcasts, Malawi is in desperate need of international
help following Cyclone Freddy, which has left thousands of people displaced and killed more
than 300. A state of disaster has been declared at a time when the country was already in the midst
of its deadliest cholera outbreak in its history, which has taken the lives of 1600 since last year.
Before the Cyclone made landfall, the BBC's health correspondent, Rhoda Oriambo, went to a cholera
treatment centre and centres this report. Emily Song wants the family she has lost to cholera.
We met her in a neighbourhood, a previously informal settlement of small concrete houses.
I've lost three members of my family. This cholera outbreak has robbed us of strong,
unable people who are breadwinners of this family. Cholera is found in contaminated food
and water, and the bacteria thrives in the rainy season. I visited a nearby hospital where Emily
and her relatives were treated. Nasdjanit Tembo shows me around the newly erected tents brought
to the small centre in partnership with the wild health organisation. The place is now
prepared to receive patients diagnosed with cholera, but she tells me it was a different
story at the start. It hasn't been easy. We're working at a very tough condition. We would have
a few staff working against lots of patients. We only had one tent, which was only 8-bed capacity.
This centre is now well-equipped and spirits among the medical staff is high,
but inside the tents is a reminder of how serious the disease is. Cholera causes vomiting and
diarrhea. Spirit is key to treatment as severe dehydration is fatal. Inside this particular
tent, I can see a lot of women, men and also children. Most of the patients are severely ill.
They've lost a lot of water, so what the doctors and the nurses are doing right now
is ensuring that they get rehydrated. Adam is looking after his sister who arrived yesterday.
I ask him how he thinks she got cholera. We have a very big problem of
vomiting in my area. I think it's the cause of this illness. We mostly drink and clean water.
Health officials who speak to are key to stress personal responsibility when it comes to cholera
by maintaining clean spaces. When I asked the principal health secretary, Dr Charles Monsambour,
what the government is doing to ensure that people have access to clean water,
he told me that the government cannot do it all. There's a limit as to what government can offer.
We need to also look at the citizens responsibility as well because we all have to play our part to
stop this epidemic. Cholera thrives in the rain, something nobody can control. The arrival of
Cyclone Freddy makes the government's hope of ending cholera cases by the end of the month
or the more unlikely. In China, police have detained 75 people in connection with the network
thought to number around 300 which helped pregnant women determine illegally the sex of their baby.
The service, worth as much as $30 million via the fees it charged, offered to smuggle blood
samples into Hong Kong where a test would determine the gender of the fetus at eight weeks.
It was brought to light after 101 vials of blood were found in the backpack of a passenger crossing
from the mainland. A China media analyst, Kerry Allen told me more. There's been a lot of discussion
about today on Sina Weibo which is China's equivalent of Facebook or Twitter. It's been
happening for a number of years now and basically what it is is couples who are having a child,
the mother wants to determine the sex of the child after eight weeks and this can be tested
within the mother's blood. So what happens is some mothers actually send the blood
to Hong Kong to be tested covertly. So in this case it was smuggled over in a carrier bag. Then
if they are not happy with the gender of the child, they abort the child.
And they're doing this because testing for gender is illegal in China?
It is illegal in China, yes. There has been a long-term preference for couples to have a boy
because previously China had the one-child policy meaning that couples could only have one child
and there has been this preference to continue the family line. It's very much known in that period
which lasted many, many decades in China between the 1980s and 2016. There was a lot of femicide
and nowadays we see this because the population of China, there are millions more men than there
are women. But they've lifted the one-child policies so why is there still a preference do
you think for boys in China? I think there are a couple of reasons here. One it might be pressure
from parents. Also this culture does still remain but also there are very, very few people in China
who are actually having a child now. Couples simply can't afford to have a child and the
government is trying to promote couples having as many children as possible at the moment because
China does have a stalling birth rate. So that is the main reason but yes also there are cultural
reasons that a son has long-term been preferred. And what's the attitude to testing for gender in
Hong Kong because that's where this whole blood test was developed isn't it? It is yes and it's
much more accepted. I mean you think now internationally that you hear of these gender reveal parties
that are happening in different parts of the world. This is something that doesn't happen in mainland
China because of this culture of femicide that was very much happening during the one-child
policy era. But yes there are still couples within China who would like to find out what child
they're having and in mainland China it's very much the case that the government would like
people to have as many children as possible and there are only very limited ways that people
can find out the gender of their child before it's born and that's very much limited to
there being medical reasons for example. Kerry Allen. Microsoft has announced that it's building
artificial intelligence capabilities like chat GBT into Office 365 the most commonly used computer
software in the world. The AI assistant called co-pilot can behave like a human and create
PowerPoint presentations, draft emails, summarize meetings and analyze data from excel spreadsheets.
Our technology editor Zoe Kleinman explains. This is a real game changer for the millions of people
who use Microsoft Office programs in their daily lives. During a demo the tech giant showed how
co-pilot can effectively complete office admin type jobs in seconds that would take humans
considerably longer and it did them in a natural way. He wouldn't necessarily spot that a draft
email had been written by artificial intelligence and not the named sender. Microsoft has invested
billions of dollars in the firm behind the viral AI chatbot chat GPT and while co-pilot isn't the
same thing rebranded it does use the same tech. The chief executive of Microsoft is Satya Nadella.
For the first time we have the access to AI that is as empowering as it is powerful. Of course with
this empowerment comes greater human responsibility just as an individual can be aided by AI AI can
be influenced positively or negatively by the person using it. As we move into this new era
all of us who build AI deploy AI use AI have a collective obligation to do so responsibly.
This kind of tech is known as generative AI and it still makes mistakes sometimes sharing
misinformation or just making stuff up. AI experts kindly call this hallucination or
usefully wrong but it's a reminder that you can't completely rely on it especially if it's doing
things in your name. Zoe Kleinman an international competition to decipher a charred papyrus scrolls
in Italy has been launched by a group of researchers. The fragile documents were discovered in what
used to be a library in a luxury villa in Herculaneum next to Pompeii where they'd been
carbonized by the intense heat and blast of hot gas after the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in AD 79.
Scientists in I believe a 21st century artificial intelligence program can extract letters and
symbols from high-resolution X-ray images of the scrolls. Tobias Reinhardt a professor of
Latin at the University of Oxford says the contents of the library are truly exceptional.
We know from other books which have been recovered from this library that it was
largely a philosophical library so we are hoping for texts written by Epicurus who used atomic
theory to explain the world and stoic philosophers who have recently regained some currency. If you
have a luxury complex like that and a library set out like this and you keep entire scrolls there
then this isn't going to be a shopping list or cooking recipes although even those would be of
use to the scholar because you could tell all sorts of things about the place from the plants,
the animals, the fishes, whatever available at that time. It's most likely that it will be
philosophical works. There is no parallel for an ancient library containing entire scrolls.
Papyrus is a material that does not take damp at all well so we only have a few finds of
papyri from Greece and Italy and the papyri that we do have tend to come from the dry sands of Egypt
and those wouldn't normally be entire scrolls so this is really in many ways a very unusual place
and a very unusual set of documents. Tobias Reinhart Professor of Latin at the University of Oxford.
Breaking Mississippi, a ten-part podcast launches on BBC Signs this week. It tells the story of
James Meredith who became the first black student at the University of Mississippi in defiance of
the racial segregation in 1960s America. Jen White is the host of Breaking Mississippi
and Amarajan asked her to set the scene. People often talk about it as if it was ancient history
and it's actually recent history. If you believe in states' rights, if you believe in segregation.
Anytime you have people pushing for change, pushing for integration, you also experience a major
backlash and that's what you were seeing in 1960, a backlash against racial equity,
a backlash against segregation and that's the environment that James Meredith enters into
and tries to attend the University of Mississippi. My mission was to physically and psychologically
shatter the system of white supremacy in Mississippi and eventually all of America.
Just tell us who he was. Well, James Meredith was born in 1933 in Mississippi. He was raised on
his family's farm in Etala County. He attended high school. He served in the U.S. Air Force and
then he went back home and decided he wanted to become the first black person to attend the
University of Mississippi after attending Jackson State College. But he'd been told by his father
when he was young that he had this divine destiny, that he had a role to play in the liberation
of black people in America and he carried that story and that charge with him throughout his
life and that's really what led him to the steps of the University of Mississippi.
And ever since I was a little boy, he had told me it was my divine responsibility
to save the black race. White supremacy was real and I always felt my job was to straighten it out.
He's entering into an actual battlefield, not just a philosophical battlefield, but an actual
experience where he is facing physical harm. When he actually makes it onto the campus of the
campus of the University of Mississippi, a mob arrives on the campus as well and violence breaks
out. This was a nasty, nasty mob and it was a mob that was challenging federal authority,
armed federal authority. So it was a literal war. My overriding goal was clear and simple
to continue my mission from God by inspiring black Americans in the South to overcome their fear
and register to vote. What does James Meredith feel that his struggles tell us about modern
America? James Meredith is almost 90 years old at this point and yet he connects his life to that
of George Floyd and he says, I am George Floyd. In other words, it could have been me. I could
have been George Floyd and he sees a direct line between his struggle to integrate the United States
but the ongoing racial violence and dissension we have here in the United States. It's exactly the
same as Emmett Till. Everyone is the same. I would love to have a conversation with him
about where he thinks the current struggle for racial equity stands in America because clearly
it's not over and in part the United States has never truly grappled with its origins and the
fact that the country's wealth was built on chattel slavery. Jen White speaking to Amal Rajan
about the new 10-part podcast on BBC Sounds called Breaking Mississippi.
And that's it from us for now but there'll be a new edition of the Global News podcast later. If
you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, send us an email. The
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This edition was mixed by Lana Bowles and the producer was Emma Joseph. The editor as ever
is Karen Martin. I'm Valerie Saunderson and until next time, bye-bye.
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The French President used special powers to force the bill through Parliament without a vote. Also: Some of the biggest banks in the US pump billions of dollars into rescuing the struggling lender, First Republic, and the competition to help decipher scrolls that survived the volcanic eruption in Pompeii almost 2000 years ago.