Global News Podcast: China's Xi to meet Putin in Moscow
BBC 3/17/23 - Episode Page - 32m - PDF Transcript
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I'm Alex Ritzen and at 14 hours GMT on Friday the 17th of March these are our main stories.
China's president announces a visit to Russia next week for talks with President Putin.
Slovakia follows Poland in sending fighter jets to Kiev and the luck of the Irish
government ministers on a St Patrick's Day trip to 44 countries.
Also in this podcast three hospital workers and seven police officers in Virginia have
been charged over a black man's death and according to some accounts torture. The weight of seven
individuals on his body face down handcuffed with leg irons and you say my god why?
Let's start this podcast with the situation in Ukraine and a key question just how influential
is China in deciding the outcome of the war? Next week the Chinese president Xi Jinping
will travel to Russia for a three-day visit. China has insisted that it's a neutral player
in the conflict but the West will see the trip as Beijing providing support for Moscow.
Ukraine's foreign minister who will hear from later in this podcast told the BBC that he
doesn't think China is ready to arm Russia but neither does he believe Mr Xi's visit
will result in peace. Wang Wenbin a foreign ministry spokesman in Beijing said that it
would result in stronger ties. At present the situation in Ukraine unseen in a century
is evolving at a faster pace and the world has entered a new period of instability and
transformation. China and Russia are permanent members of the Security Council and major countries
and the significance of our relationship goes far beyond the bilateral scope. President Xi's
visit will be a trip for friendship. It will further the trust and understanding between
China and Russia. Before we go to our correspondent in Beijing let's hear this report from our
Russia editor Steve Rosenberg who is in Moscow. This will be President Xi's first visit to Russia
since Russian troops invaded Ukraine. The fact that the Chinese leader is coming signals Beijing's
strong support for Moscow. There's no surprise about that. Putin and Xi share a similar worldview
both embrace the idea of a multipolar world. Last year the two men declared their partnership
has no limits but that's not strictly true. Up till now China has not supplied Russia with lethal aid
to help it win the war in Ukraine, though the United States claims that China is considering
doing so. As for the declared partnership between Moscow and Beijing, Russia with an economy one
tenth the size of China's finds itself increasingly in the role of junior partner. The two leaders
are expected to discuss the Chinese initiative to end the war in Ukraine but there is no official
peace plan and there is deep skepticism in the West about whether China could broker peace in Ukraine.
Here's the view though of our Beijing correspondent Stephen MacDonald. China has really lifted
expectations on what might be achieved in terms of this visit for three reasons. One it says it's
impartial when it comes to the Ukraine war. Two is that it has sway Beijing has swayed with Moscow
so you would think if they really wanted to they could unconvince Russia to for example step back
a bit and number three because they've brokered this recent diplomatic agreement between Saudi Arabia
and Iran whereby they would resume diplomatic relations and so China's on a bit of a role in
terms of being a sort of global peacemaker I suppose if you could put it that way or at least many
would see them as that the problem is when you really drill down into it Beijing isn't actually
impartial it isn't neutral when it comes to the Ukraine war and all you have to do is watch the
TV news every night the state-run TV news just not neutral because it runs the Kremlin's line
it doesn't give any air time basically at all to what the Ukraine government thinks of that war
in fact it doesn't even refer to a war it talks about the conflict certainly TV news it would
never speak about an invasion and so as you can see it's not really a neutral player that said
it's not going to stop the expectation that Xi Jinping being in Moscow could achieve some sort
of a breakthrough well what sort of a breakthrough could it achieve given that background where
certainly Western powers will not see it in any way as impartial really at the end of the day
when Xi Jinping leaves Moscow will Vladimir Putin have a sense that China wants him to back off
in Ukraine or will he have a sense that really I should just keep charging ahead because the
most pessimistic analysis of this is that actually Russia is doing China's dirty work it's getting
stuck into the west eating up all this ammunition and resources from the west this is something
that China strategically would see as to its own advantage and so what's in it for China to stop the
war to tell the truth I mean if we if we if we're to think of it in in the most sense or I think
many hard heads wouldn't have great expectations or will he have a sense that president Xi is going
to supply the Kremlin with weapons well this is what the the US government has been accusing
China of doing of preparing to send weapons according to some analysts in the US China
is already supplying this kind of dual use technology so for example you send parts for a
plane but which can also be used to repair a jet fighter or you use some other sort of equipment
actually can be used for a sort of military tracking device so in that sense it's already
kind of supplying Russia if those reports are true. Stephen Macdonald in Beijing. Let's hear more now
about those comments made by Ukraine's foreign minister Dmitry Koleber on those who back his
nation in their defence against Russia and others who he said may have mistreated Ukraine and will
be held to account he says when the war ends he told our correspondent James Landel in Kiev that
delay by western allies in the delivery of weapons will cost the lives of Ukrainian soldiers.
If one delivery is postponed for one day it means that someone is going to die on the front line
it means that someone who could have been still alive will be lost. I will say enough has been
done when we win the war and it applies to everyone evenly from the United States to the
United Kingdom and other countries of the world. When we win then all the words of gratitude will
be said and all the conclusions about those who misbehaved in the course of this war and mistreated
Ukraine will be made to. You know war allows you to be honest even if you are a foreign minister.
Of course if anyone in the world thinks that the way this or that country behaved itself or treated
Ukraine at the darkest moment of its history and that will not be taken into account in
building future relations these people just don't know how diplomacy works. Ukraine's foreign minister
Dmitry Koleber but Russia seems just as committed to the fight as we heard from the Russian political
scientist and former advisor to President Vladimir Putin Sergey Markov. From our point of view
independent Ukraine does not exist now because it's puppet regime of the United States of America
and its proxy war of United States of America against Russia. Bakhmut is old Russian city.
Donbass had been artificially joined to Ukraine. I think the biggest Putin mistake was not
sent Russian troops in 2014 and 2015 when he must do it but he promised that time to the
western leaders Minsk agreement should be respected. This war had been prepared by the United States
from a Russian point of view. This war regarded as very bad but inevitable. For us it's a civil
war or rather Russian people. Sergey Markov. Ukraine is still crying out for western military
support. Some of this has been forthcoming but the West is yet to send its fighter jets which
need high maintenance and training. For now it has to make do with aging Soviet era MiG fighter jets.
Today Slovakia followed Poland by promising to send them to Ukraine. I heard more from our
Europe regional editor Danny Aberhardt. These are MiG 29 planes. They were produced first in the 1980s
in the Soviet Union during the Cold War and many of them were brought up by countries in Eastern
Europe in the 90s. So they are old but they're still supersonic jets and crucially the Ukrainian
military already uses these so air force pilots in Ukraine are familiar with them and wouldn't
need training to fly them. So that's why it's important. The government in Slovakia say they're
no longer needed. They were taken out of service last summer partly amid security fears that with
Russian technicians working on them and Slovakia airspace is covered now by the Czech Republic
and Poland in a deal arranged through NATO and Slovakia is waiting for US jets which are to
be delivered next year. So of these jets 10 are thought to be operational. Three have been out
of action for a long time and even those might be useful for Ukraine for providing spare parts
to its fleet. Yeah because there was a similar offer from Poland yesterday. Yes Poland offered to
send four working MiGs in the coming days and it plans to send more in the future. There might be
it has more than 20 MiGs in total and Ukraine has obviously welcomed this but Ukraine really
wants modern Western fighters. Yeah and any sign of those modern jets the sort that are used by
Britain and the US perhaps. The US has repeatedly rejected these requests although President Biden
last month at one time he said for now so that opens up a small window of possibility that at
some point in the future the US could provide things like the F-16s or Britain has said similar
rejections for its Typhoon aircraft but these aircraft require a lot of training and other
technical problems such as having long smooth runways for example so the West is very reluctant
to do that also for reasons of seeming like an escalation. Danny Aberhart. Prosecutors in the
US state of Virginia so they've charged three more people in connection with the death of a
black man who died in custody at a state hospital. After watching a surveillance video of his death
Ivo Otieno's mother called his death inhumane and said he was treated worse than a dog. David
Lewis is following the story. New details have emerged overnight into the death of the Kenyan
born Mr Otieno. The 28 year old aspiring hip-hop artist was being transported from the Henrico
county jail to a nearby psychiatric hospital on the 6th of March when investigators said he became
combative. His family said he was experiencing mental health distress and he died while being
restrained by several officers. The preliminary report from the chief medical examiner's office
identifies asphyxiation as a cause of death. At a news conference his family's lawyer Ben Crump said
Mr Otieno was subjected to horrific treatment. You see in the video he is restrained with handcuffs
he has leg irons on and you see in the majority mark of the video that he seems to be in between
lifelessness and unconsciousness. Now the video which has not been released is the core piece of
evidence in the case. Mr Crump went on to describe what he saw in the footage. You see him being
restrained so brutally with knee on his neck the weight of seven individuals on his body while
he's face down handcuffed with leg irons and you say my god why. So speaking alongside Mr Crump
Otieno's mother Caroline Uko said the footage had been distressing and claimed her son had been
tortured and there have been a number of arrests. That's right three more central state hospitals
and employees were arrested on Thursday charged with second-degree murder there in addition to seven
Henrico county police officers arrested on Tuesday and facing the same charge. We'll soon know a
little more about the direction of this case there'll be a county court meeting next week
and we should find out then which final charges will be brought. David Lewis the BBC has learned
that negotiations to get the UK back into a major EU research programme could begin within weeks.
Britain has been blocked from the horizon scheme because of the row about post-Brexit
arrangements for Northern Ireland. Our correspondent Jessica Parker is in Brussels.
Horizon is the EU's flagship science programme and the UK was supposed to become an associate
member of it after Brexit but its membership was never ratified because of the dispute about
trade rules for Northern Ireland. When a deal on that was struck in principle last month
hopes rose for fast progress on horizon. So reports the prime minister was skeptical about
the scheme's value sparked dismay among university and business leaders who say the
stalemate has been damaging for both research and innovation. Now UK officials say that while
they'll still work on a plan B negotiations for access could begin within weeks but because Britain
has already missed out on part of the seven-year programme there may be some haggling about the
UK's financial contribution and its ability to shape the scheme. Jessica Parker now before we
move on with news of this weekend's happy pot here's Andrew Peach. Yes the happy pot is half an hour
of the happiest news stories in the world and you'll find them here every Saturday. There's a big
tech story this week about using a data centre to heat a swimming pool for free. I've been talking to
the man at the centre of it about how he had the idea in a pub and how his idea might change how we
heat lots of things. There are academic studies about happiness published pretty much every week
going to hear from the oldest this weekend at Harvard University in Massachusetts. They've
been working on it since 1938 and we've got many more of our listeners with the sounds that make
them happy this week from Berlin, Tallahassee, Vienna and Mexico City. Oh and Alison who thinks
she's got the happiest job in the world. Do get involved send me your happy news global podcast at
bbc.co.uk and join me Andrew Peach for the happy pod this weekend. Still to come in the global news
podcast. It looked quite professional till at some point they were announcing maintenance
and the money just disappeared. How thousands of people say they lost their life savings after
trying to ride the cryptocurrency wave. As we approach the 20th anniversary of the invasion of
Iraq one searing image has come to symbolize the suffering of civilians. It was of 12 year old Ali
Abbas in a hospital bed with both arms amputated and burns all over his torso. He had lost 16
relatives in an American missile strike. After treatment in Kuwait he was flown to the UK to
continue medical treatment and he now lives in London where Caroline Hawley who was the BBC's
Baghdad correspondent went to meet him. A warning some of the details in this report are distressing.
The invasion of Iraq blew Ali's life apart and still affects him every hour of every day.
As it began his father had been excited to see the back of Saddam Hussein.
You know when he see the Americans coming you know he'll just make like a party for them
you'll make a barbecue you know we were just hoping for a better life we were thinking that
getting rid of Saddam we will have a good life and a good future for Iraq.
Ali's family had left the capital Baghdad for safety but returned thinking the worst was over
just hours before their home was hit by an American rocket while the family were asleep.
The fire everywhere I I hear my my mother screaming and my father also yeah it was it was
terrible I felt the fire burning my my body and my arms and what is worse even to inhale the smoke
was was really really hard. And who rescued you? My neighbour you know he got my father
and mother first you know and then they were they were dead you know they were gone and so he got me
he got me out after that and yeah they put me in a car and sent me to the hospital. I remember
my neighbour was telling me that when he pulled me out of the rubble because my arm was so badly
burned so when he pulled me out one of my arms came off. Can I ask how your injuries have affected
your life what are the things you can and can't do? My amputation is so high up you know it's not
so easy to use prosthetic arms you know I tried using them yeah but at the moment I'm I'm trying
to use my feet you know so much easier than prosthetic arms like I can I can write with my
feet I can use the phone. Using his toes Ali's just dialed up his five-year-old son Yusuf
who's in Baghdad with his mother though he hopes that one day he'll be able to bring him to the
UK. He's always spoiling me you know he doesn't let me do anything he's trying to be my carer you
know he's taking good care of me yeah I can also hug him with my with my feet so it's it's okay with
that. Eli's going out with me in the car a lot he always gets the car keys open the door for me before
we go. This is an amazing video of Ali driving in Baghdad with friends music's blaring he's got
one foot on the steering wheel the other on the brake and just incredibly dexterous with his feet.
I have been through a very difficult times especially just after the injury I have to
deal with it without parents and without arms so it was very difficult in the beginning but
I've seen many people with injuries that are much worse than mine and I always thank God for
what I what I have got so I think of the positive things. Ali Abbas ending that report by Caroline
Hawley. Thousands of people are believed to have lost their savings after investing in a crypto
trading app called iERNBOT. Experts who have investigated the company say it could be one of
the largest crypto scandals to date. Trading in cryptocurrencies has become popular as people are
often attracted by the promise of large rewards over short periods of time but law enforcement
agencies advise caution as they're seeing a growing number of scams. Sara Monetta reports.
We had enough knowledge to think this might be a scam the fact that in between us and the company
there was a reputable teacher made it that we didn't check too much. Roxana is from Romania.
She lost hundreds of euros when she invested in a crypto trading app called iERNBOT which was
sponsored by a leading IT expert in the country. She's asked me not to reveal her identity so we
are not using her real name. It looked quite professional till at some point they were announcing
maintenance. Roxana says the app blocked all withdrawals and when the alleged maintenance
was over things didn't go back to normal. I made the request and the money just disappeared so
portfolio became zero but I was never credited with any money. iERNBOT presents itself as a
US-based company with apparently excellent credentials and a top-notch marketing team.
On YouTube there are several promotional videos explaining the app. I would like to showcase
the iERNBOT and on TikTok content creators from different countries were recruited to promote it
but when we fact check the information on their website a few red flags come up. The man who's
mentioned as the company's founder told us he never heard of them. iERNBOT claims it's a strategic
partner of MIT and companies like Huawei and Qualcomm but they too say they don't know them.
My name is Sylviata Boushka I'm a researcher with the Center for Legal Education and Research.
After thousands of investors lost their money in Romania Sylvia started to look into the company.
When they have enough money invested in a specific country they do not allow that country to withdraw
money and they open other countries at the global level. It's closer to a Ponzi scheme and not to
real business. We have reached out for a comment to iERNBOT but they have not engaged with us.
In some countries people still trust the app. Dozens took part in this recruiting event that
was organized in Medellin in Colombia by a group of local mentors. Andres is one of them
and he still believes the company is legitimate. They had their registration in the US
showed they were legit and I still believe they are. In Colombia withdrawals have been blocked
since December and now some local organizers are receiving threats. People took loans to invest
and many people were affected. As the leaders did not have answers people started to get angry.
With the help of an analyst we managed to identify one main crypto wallet that received
payments from around 13,000 potential victims for a total profit of almost 1.3 million dollars
in less than one year. But we couldn't identify the people behind this wallet. So the question is
in cases like this how can those responsible be tracked down and held to account?
One of the challenges is to identify and attribute to who the illicit actor is,
where the value is going and then being able to take investigative steps and
you know law enforcement action. John Wyman is the chief of the virtual assets unit at the FBI.
Knowledge and doing some due diligence before you know the investment process is critical.
It's like anything else if it sounds too good to be true it oftentimes is. The FBI has told us
they cannot confirm nor deny that they've opened an investigation into ironbott but they insist
the best way to defeat scammers is prevention. Sarah Monetta. An Australian has broken the
world record for the longest surf session. Blake Johnston has eclipsed the previous mark of 30
hours and 11 minutes at a beach in Sydney and as Phil Mercer reports from Sydney he wanted more.
Blake Johnston has deserved the cheers and support he's received. He said he felt pretty
cooked after catching more than 500 waves during his non-stop record-breaking attempt
at Cranulla Beach in Sydney. He was surfing for more than 30 hours and said he wanted to
keep going and reach 40 hours in the water. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, I still got a job to do though.
I said 40 so I'll go and give it a crack. Yeah, pretty cooked. I'm pretty cooked. Yeah, thanks
everyone. You're the best. Everyone deserves to feel awesome. So deserve to yeah, take care of
yourselves and yeah. The surf here in Sydney has been good for this exhausting record-breaking
attempt but Blake Johnston's efforts have put him at risk of infected ears, dehydration,
hypothermia and drowning. There is a very serious side to this marathon. The 40-year-old former
Australian professional surfer is raising thousands of dollars for youth mental health projects.
A decade ago his father took his own life. He wants the children he now coaches to have the
resilience and support to cope with life's challenges. Phil Mercer in Sydney. Now giving
babies tiny tastes of smooth peanut butter could dramatically cut peanut allergies. According to
a new study giving little ones a taste during weaning could cut peanut allergy cases by up to
an amazing 77%. So how did scientists come up with it? Here's our health and science correspondent
James Gallagher. This is a big study that's been conducted by a team of researchers in the United
Kingdom and the United States but its implications are truly global and they've been looking at
updated evidence that's come out over the past 15 years or so on what happens when you give
peanut butter and things like that earlier on in life and showing that you can massively reduce
the risk of peanut allergy and that's in sharp contradiction to what many people will be familiar
with because you don't have to go back that long to when the advice was don't give peanut before the
age of three. This is a series of scientific studies and this is an official government
recommendation but truly it would apply globally because the findings have been tested in lots of
different races and ethnicities and in many respects it is a global story really because
this actually started in Israel where peanuts is given much earlier in life but peanut based
snack is given from kind of like earliest weaning and some researchers went there and went why is
nobody here having peanut allergy and yet it is soaring in other countries like in the United
Kingdom it's like one in 50 children now has a peanut allergy and it really stemmed from there
and showing that actually early exposure while the immune system is still learning and developing
and trying to figure out what's friend and what's foe what's safe to eat that earlier exposure is
what can help prevent peanut allergy. James Gallagher as I record this it is March the 17th
and around the world people are celebrating St Patrick's Day marking Ireland's national saint
and national day the Irish government well most of it has chosen to spend the day elsewhere though
36 members of the government are traveling to 74 cities in 44 countries this week I asked our
Ireland correspondent Chris Page who was overseas why they'd left Ireland. In Irish government circles
Alex just a point everybody is overseas and this is really as big as St Patrick's Day tradition
in political circles in Ireland now as the parades are on the streets of Dublin and New York and
Sydney and many other cities around the world to commemorate all things Irish really the Irish
government in Dublin and also politicians in northern Ireland they see St Patrick's Day as
the key opportunity in the year to promote Irish interests abroad so obviously those are
diplomatic interests cultural interests but maybe most of all economic interests so really this
whole week Irish ministers see as the best opportunity they have to travel the world and
sell Ireland as an investment destination so they really hope to come back to their home countries
to their constituents to their citizens with news of jobs announcements with news of multi-million
dollar investments by overseas companies so while it seems like it's a major diplomatic
push that basically there's nobody at home well Ireland would say that in the long run it really
boosts the economy substantially yeah yeah you say there's no one at home who is minding the shop
basically civil servants it seems to me government officials just about every
government minister is overseas the head of the Irish government known as the T-shirt
Leo Vragher he is in Washington to meet with President Biden now there's a tradition there that
the T-shirt gives a bowl of shamrock a plant very much associated with St Patrick's Day in Ireland
to the president and that's happened regularly nearly every year in fact since the 1950s so
that's a reflection of the fact that lots of people living in the US have Irish ancestry and what
Ireland Irish ministers will say is look what country in the world really has annual access
to the White House like that so as far as Ireland is concerned it's a high point of the year it is
a public holiday at home but abroad is a highly significant time where Ireland celebrates the
fact that it is and I think we can say this objectively a country that really punches above
its weight internationally Chris Page and that's all from us for now but there'll be a new edition
of the global news podcast later if you want to comment on this podcast all the topics covered in
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twitter at global news pod this edition was mixed by Russell Newlove and the producer was Stephanie
Prentiss the editor is Karen Martin I'm Alex Ritzen until next time goodbye
Machine-generated transcript that may contain inaccuracies.
The visit comes as Beijing, an ally of Russia, has offered proposals to end the war in Ukraine, to which the West has given a lukewarm reception. Also: Slovakia follows Poland in sending fighter jets to Kiev and scientists say they have found a way to avoid peanut allergies…