de volksjury: Aflevering 114 - Latifa Hachmi

Welcome to episode 114 of The Volksjurie.

We are Laura and Silke.

Everything good?

Yes, we do.

Yes, yes, yes, very good.

Very good.

We have an intense end of last week and weekend together again.

Yes, but fun.

I mean, super fun.

It's just that we finally have a social life.

And we're living our best life.

It's summer.

It's the festivals.

And we've done a lot of things in the past weeks.

In those ways, people really react to my Instagram story

of Safa Mayu.

I mean, what is your level?

And I'm like, no, I've done everything in the past years.

And you even said to me, I think I'm going to get a burn-out of too many fun things.

Pleasure.

Too much pleasure.

No, that's true.

I was with my family at Bruce Springsteen on TV Classic.

It was super fun.

We went to the show together at Pommelin Thijs.

Yes, with me, not with your parents.

No, not with my parents.

They would never.

But Pommelin prophesied with his album.

Yes, there are good slides on it.

I think it went well.

Roma was a sauna.

Yes, but for everyone who was there.

How much sweat did you lose on the scale of 1 to 10?

We died.

Finally.

Finally.

And I was on that good stream.

That was Donnerdagabend Pommelin.

Friday I went to Grenzrock.

Because someone from our team, Jason, played there with his metal band.

I was still at a metal concert.

It was the last performance.

So I thought, I'm going to put this guy under the belt.

There was firework.

It was fire.

You stood in it with me.

And I was like, that's exactly from Metallica Vibes.

Yeah, aiming high.

So that was great.

Next day, we went to Harry Styles.

The man, the legend.

What was that?

I'm just going to give myself my own fault.

So a quarter of the concert begins against Silke Wittgen.

Harry, I feel he is so hard.

Love is Vibe.

But I don't feel attracted to that.

And I was like, you really don't know what you're talking about.

And I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes.

He was on the podium for a minute.

I was like, I have everything back.

What a show.

Yes, yes, yes.

It was also very fun.

Yes, just that feeling of being at a festival,

shining sun with friends.

Yes, I live for these kind of things, for the summer.

Okay, it's hot in the summer,

that's where we've already talked about it last time.

But I do take it with me.

It's like, I can finally be outside.

Yes.

We also asked last time,

what was your time during the weekend?

You reacted to Massal.

My conclusion is,

we would all be super good friends.

Your weekends are all very nice.

I took one out,

because this was really a hilarious conversation.

I received, or we received,

a follow-up message from Lena.

My weekend.

I'm 40 weeks pregnant.

I went to save the delivery.

But the baby was too long, full.

I'm three days in a row,

and with this temperature,

I gave it up.

So I'm just going to listen.

So we send.

Oh, a lot of success.

Merci.

How much more do I have to puke and sweat?

I have no idea,

because I'm already at a maximum.

So we think,

strength to me.

And then there was an update.

Halfway through the delivery,

I still had to stop listening.

I didn't come up with a follow-up message.

My baby started,

and she became more intense and more intense.

The next day,

I fell asleep.

So that's what you did during the weekend.

Hilarious.

Yes, it's nice that we're still

in some weird way.

I'm worried about the baby

who heard our voices first.

Yes, there are a lot of babies

who are already in the belly,

with who we are.

Maybe within a short time,

a short time on therapy starts

for all those children who are born with us.

That's going to be necessary.

Silke, okay, I've been saving this story

for a long time.

Yes.

You've been really hyped all week.

Yes, so now it's going to fall apart.

I've made a very funny story

with my family.

Over time.

Over time.

It was a bit boring,

they didn't see me.

And I thought,

I'm going to save myself

on the podcast.

So we have a family WhatsApp group,

where my whole Hilarious family is in.

And there's a photo inside.

From...

sent by my father.

I'm going to take a picture of your car,

so you can join me.

This boy has flown inside.

What do I have to do?

So on the photo you can see

on the kitchen of my parents,

a yellow park.

Beautiful.

Nice animals.

And as you may know,

my dad went on a pension.

So that man is home.

That man is also a very...

What else do you have to do?

What else do you have to do?

He's a very big animal lover.

So three minutes later,

he had the best name.

Chip.

Good name.

A few minutes later,

the first videos from Chip in the House

came out.

He gets food.

Chip, who is moved by the house.

My mother was in a meeting the whole day.

So she hasn't had anything yet.

And I don't think

my mom is the biggest fan of birds.

But in the meantime,

there was a bond between Chip

and my father.

They did everything

to get Chip back at home.

I believe that.

I believe that.

I want to emphasize that.

So in the afternoon,

in a village group,

there was a package

from whom?

From whom?

From whom?

But there was no response.

So,

my family does what they have to do.

They buy a bird's nest

in their own hands.

And they buy a bird's nest.

And they eat seeds.

And Chip is suddenly

a member of the family.

My mother has a hard time with it.

She didn't have eyes

to take a little child home.

So no bird.

So she really threw herself

as a detective.

So she looked at the band

from the park.

From Chip.

From Chip.

Oh sorry,

because she is now part of the family.

So they looked at the band

and they can trace them back

to Chip's quaker.

So they hoped

they could bring them back

to their family.

But the quaker

couldn't find the owner

back.

No idea

if it was a bird's nest.

I haven't seen it yet.

I only get videos

from a flying paratrooper

in their house.

So with this one

I have a new family member.

His name is Chip.

And there is a bird's nest

bought.

But imagine

that the family,

the real family,

is what you say.

Yes, yes, yes.

It will come true.

Yes, but that is

discussed.

My mother also said

OK, we are going to

go to the asylum.

We are going to bring

a bird.

A bird's protection.

But

there was an emotional

shanty next to the other side.

Because he was like

Yes, but you know

still

against my mother

that he is going to

be shot dead.

Because in that bird

there is no room.

So we

can't let him go.

So there was

sort of an emotional

shanty on my mother

so that the bird

had to stay.

Where did he

read it all?

On how to deal

with your paratrooper.

He sent me

a message.

I just read

that a paratrooper

is better with two.

So there is a chance

that there will be

a second chip.

But I'm not there yet.

I'm not there yet.

He also read

that you can

open the bird well

so that the bird

can fly freely

in your house.

So that's what

is happening now.

So you get photos

of that bird

on the seat.

That bird

blooms.

That bird

is going to

fly everywhere.

In his little bird.

So he is

completely taken

by the family.

I have

some questions.

With this

hour

started.

With this

hour

started.

So luckily

my parents

have a roof

but they also

have a

flight window.

So the thing is

of course

he says

that the bird

does not

fly in the heart

and that

if he goes

back

and that's

how it is.

I'm sure

that the

house

is since

chipper

is

vacuum

and that

there is

no

room

and do you think

your mother

is going to

contribute?

Or

she has

little choice?

She has little choice.

Here

she is pushed

in one direction.

She has

the disadvantage

that she

could not

intervene in

the meeting

the whole

afternoon.

And my brother

and I

jumped

on that story

and

directly

to the

side.

Yes

I

chose

the

heavy side.

Chip

is now part

of the family.

We are now

one big family

with

four children,

two

connections,

two dogs

and a

parcel.

I think

that should be possible

at this time.

We are

23

and 23

mother.

Get used

to it.

And

is there already

an eventful name

for a second

child?

Yes

But

the board

has not accepted

the board of the family

because Pino

is associated

with the blue color.

But Pino

is also

in other parts

of the world

yellow.

Yes

So

maybe

when there

is a second

child

we can

put that

on the board

and prove

a whole power point.

Maybe a power point

but I

haven't met Chip

because

I haven't met Chip yet.

Okay

I also want to get videos

from

I have

100 videos

but I couldn't

send them

because

from now on

my mother

is a little bit

stuck in

the path she

is now going

my father

is my pension

and I

promised him

that I would

say this

but

the man

has too much time

because he

literally adopts

every bird

in the

house

so I

wouldn't doubt

that in a

short time

other animals

would also

suddenly start

but

the man

had promised that

after his pension

he was going to

keep busy

and

he

has

such a

test

for

asbest

an asbest

test

so if

you

have to sell

in

Flanders

house

you

go to

www.expertise.be

he is trustworthy

he has a dog

he has a parque

when you

sell your house

and you need an

attaché

I will

go to that website

yes

there is

still no photo

of Chip

on the website

I took

the photos

from him

and I am

really

satisfied

I really

said

do

a little bit

of a

life story

if you do

anything

it would be

too good

too good

ok

so that was

the life story

that Chip

who is now in my family

welcome Chip

new mascot

Yes

I will

definitely share a picture

of him

in the stories

I will

keep you updated

whether

he still have

a brother

or sister

or

something

different

yes

Oh, sorry.

You're from the area of Noah, right?

Yes.

He might be Noah.

Okay, look.

And then the next thing is, is it a sector?

We'll see.

I'm going to keep it in the go.

Alright, good.

Give me a tip.

Yes, I have a tip.

It's been a long time since I had a tip.

And I really enjoyed the reeks of Everdrop and Arnold the Kid, who are part of Iron Man.

I'm glad you're here.

And I almost have to win again.

I'm happy.

I'm happy.

But for the people who don't know yet, I can't spoil anything.

It's all in the media, or if they haven't already.

But I've already seen three episodes.

I'm now waiting for the episode to be effective.

But it's just so cute.

It's so nice.

The friendship between the two brothers is nice.

They're funny, not together.

And then there's this thing, I really like watching shows where people don't have to do anything.

You'll like that.

I like to watch that.

So I'm really looking at my mouth.

Watching shows like that is impossible in my eyes.

So that's why I'm doing it all by myself.

And it's just great because they're more ready for stupid things.

They're hilarious, recognizable.

It looks good in one.

It's well filmed.

I don't know how a videographer calls it.

But it's great.

It's a great edit.

So watching it on YouTube, I don't have to say it yet.

It's so good to watch it on YouTube.

And then I have to think back every time about Rob's speech.

While I was there.

Oh yes.

A little shout out.

It was a really beautiful speech.

We've been really quiet fans so far.

But it's good that we're talking about it.

So I thought, let's put it in a group.

Let's put it in a group and take it with us.

Voila.

Then we have to talk about Hello Fresh.

Yes.

Our friends.

Yes.

The big friends who sponsor the episode.

Because they're more of the party.

And it's summer with us.

Because what I think is that you...

We have the pressure again.

Yes.

And what I like is that you...

You make plans.

So you can say, I want that box.

And then you have to sit in it so many times.

And then you just eat for...

I'm already there.

I'm already there.

And I really like that I can eat the same thing for two or three days.

Yes, you do that.

You cook a lot at once.

So I say to Hello Fresh, I'm not going to order that for two people.

But for three or four.

And then I don't always have to cook.

You can often cook something fast.

Or I want to cook something more.

But sometimes I also like it to cook once a week.

And that can also...

If you do this.

So I think...

Yes.

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Yes.

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It should also be convenient to order a week on vacation.

And then order a box quickly so that you don't have to go to the store anymore.

When you come back from vacation.

Yes.

It also seems to me a handy feature.

Very, very.

We've already talked about it.

They have an app where you can do this all at once.

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And then there's our guys next to us.

Always.

You can't see this.

Our new buddies.

I think it's already ...

Or I shouldn't have put away that I'm a member of the Arup sect.

Yes.

I had kept me on the background the last time.

And I have to say ...

I'm ... I'm there too.

I'm also a member of the sect.

We promised last time.

We tried a lot of flavors.

We made a personal top three.

That differs from each of us.

Yes.

So for me on the third place of the three that I tested is apple.

Okay.

Because I think ...

There are people who will like it.

But it has more of the taste of the lollipop.

Taste apple.

And give me now.

Yes.

There you go.

But that might be too sweet for me.

Too sweet instead of fresh.

Exactly.

On the second place is Yuzu rosemary.

I have no idea what Yuzu is.

Yuzu is a Japanese citrus fruit.

Okay, fine.

And on the first place is peach.

Because I like to drink iced peach anyway.

But now it's just water that I drink with the taste of peach.

So I think that's great.

Great.

Okay.

On the third place is iced peach.

Oh, okay.

Yes.

A bit of the same reason.

I really like to drink peach in my drinks, in my yoghurt.

So it's recommended to drink water.

On the second place, when the bag was opened, she said,

Lukas, what the fuck, you're not going to drink.

You're not going to like it.

Namely, cacis.

Oh yeah.

That's not only liqueur.

But you have a bit of a darker grenadine of cacis.

But it's also used to do my kava.

That's what I know.

For a Kierwael.

Super delicious.

I usually don't like it here.

And on the third place is lemon basil.

Love it.

Love it, okay.

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Okay.

Today's episode.

I was allowed to choose.

This is going to sound a lot, but it's something I've been fascinated with for a long time.

The information we're going to talk about.

Not this matter of view, so it's very tragic.

Maybe we're not going to tell too much.

We're just going to start.

Time starts.

We're on August 5, 2004.

And at 13 o'clock the phone goes to the police of Schaarbeek.

The call comes from the Waalemstraat.

And they tell me that a woman has become unwell at home.

The police are on their way to help services at the same time.

And when the agents arrive, the help services are all busy.

They give a heart massage to a young woman, Latifah Hachmi.

She's in the living room on the ground.

The agents arrive.

Her whole body is under the blue spots.

She had a heart attack.

And when the agents arrive, they hear a lot of loud music.

It's the way they can describe it best.

It's someone who is quoting some kind of parlando verse.

It seems that there are no refugees in this apartment.

But there are a number of strange items that can be found back.

They can be spread over all rooms.

There are water bottles of 5 litres.

Some of them are full, others are empty.

In the bathroom, there are hairs everywhere.

So in the bathroom, on the tiles, on the ground.

The agents speak to the man.

The 26-year-old Latifah's man.

His name is Murat.

There was a problem.

Why did you have to call the whole service?

And he says, look, I left here this morning.

She had a headache.

Latifah had a headache.

She went to the bathroom to help with the heavy headache.

And I just met her this morning.

And that's why I called the whole service.

She was unconscious at the moment I arrived here.

Latifah is called to the hospital.

She called.

She brought her.

And she's taking care of the patient the same evening.

The doctors there talk about a suspect.

And the parcel of Brussels is also going in there

and decides to investigate the case.

Yes.

And the doctors immediately go to the hospital.

And they immediately take care of the patient.

The first thing they see is that Latifah has symptoms

about her whole body.

And there is an article by Humo, among other things,

a very clear article about the case.

It is written that Latifah's body was saved

from bruises or blue spots, even her face.

Now, what seems to be the cause?

There are hundreds of shots with a bot foot.

The doctor thinks of a baseball in the first place.

But Latifah died because of a lot of bleeding.

And her lungs had water.

And that would have been the result of a terrible dip in water

until she almost got stuck.

Now, the question is, of course, where did Latifah die?

But they can't say that for sure.

So, the doctor says that in the days before her death,

Latifah was beaten more than 100 times with brute force

and in a huge, violent way.

She had a lot of heart-rhythm disorders

and in a coma-like state, only she would have died of it.

Now, she almost got drunk.

The doctor said, near drowning,

in the English language,

because Latifah started breathing in water,

which would only have contributed to the coma

and her heart-rhythm disorders.

So, that's not good at all.

So, Murat is brought up again.

And she is questioned for hours.

And then, Murat gives the question

that he and Latifah have made a group

on a group of Islamic exorcists.

And Murat says during those questions,

my wife was possessed.

The blue spots on her body are the work of the devil.

All right.

Flashback, a small biography of Latifah Hachmi,

the family she grew up in, and so forth.

She's the youngest of four children in the family Hachmi.

It's a family of Moroccan immigrants.

The only girl had three older brothers.

Her father was named after the princess,

and she was treated by her mother,

but also by the three brothers.

She was the apple of the family.

The father was Capor,

and he had the mother of Latifah in Brussels.

She was a hubby of love,

no one arranged her hubby.

She was not very broad,

but she had everything she needed.

Latifah's parents were religious,

but not strict.

Latifah's brother convinced that he,

as a young adult,

went in search of the meaning of Islam for him,

because his parents were not really working with him.

Latifah's brother, his name is Fuat,

brings up good memories.

Susanne tells her,

that she never knew that she was a cat.

She was the only one she really wanted.

She was her own family.

She referred to the TV series

The Little House on the Prairie.

That was the kind of family she had in front of her.

Fun fact, I'm called Neralora Ingels,

one of the characters from The Little House on the Prairie.

So my mom will recognize her here.

Latifah grew up to build a warm, real family.

At the age of 12, she went to the middle school,

like everyone else,

and she came to a community school in Wollewee.

That's a community in Brussels.

Fuat clarifies,

that she and the community

meant that there were autochtones in the classroom in Belgium.

Latifah followed a scientific direction there,

and everything went very well.

Until Latifah came to her puberty.

Yes, because Latifah makes it clear

that she wants to wear a headscarf.

Fuat immediately said,

like other people,

she wanted to be a punk or a god,

so she wanted to wear that headscarf.

The profiler, that's what you do when you see it.

But the only problem was,

at that school you didn't have to wear a headscarf.

Fuat tells her,

and her father,

please let Latifah wear that headscarf.

But that was refused.

And Latifah didn't want to wear it either.

They said,

I want to wear that headscarf.

Her father said,

do it at school,

do it at night,

try to find some compromises,

but Latifah continued to like it.

What made her change from school?

And in the article,

another article that we read,

I believe it's from the standard,

Latifah leaves to a school in Schaarbeek

and it's described as a ghetto school.

No, the words of Fuat.

And he says,

if I remove the education system

and the Belgian education system,

then that's it.

I'm sure Latifah had an open mind

if she could stay in Wollewa.

Because he thinks that headscarf

was a kind of moving phase.

If they put that down again,

we can't say anything about that.

And even if it's not like that,

but it is indeed education,

education is key in everything.

The story goes,

spoiler alert,

it's a bad ending,

but education is so important,

you can mean so much to young people,

make sure they have an open mind

in their middle school.

That's what it's really about later.

In Schaarbeek,

in that school,

where everyone plays the role of headscarf,

what is extremely different

for Latifah is that

there is a lot of knowledge.

Here she goes over to Naya,

so she goes more that way.

Now,

Fuat is actually of the opinion

that her world actually became very small

from that moment.

She married a 17-year-old

with Murat,

who was a distant relative

to Latifah's mother.

And that would also be a lovely event, of course.

Now,

Fuat tells in the article

that Murat

was still a distant relative

of her family.

Fuat says,

I couldn't believe that Latifah

became a distant relative

and nicer.

He thinks, of course,

that she could have become a scientist.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with both,

but I understand that

there needs to be frustration

with Fuat, of course.

You see, she changes from school

and she gets the feeling that

she is also a distant relative.

Yes, she is also a distant relative,

so of course she depends on the fact that

everything is changed until she goes to that school.

I understand her point of view.

Yes, and she also says

that Murat will follow the evening lessons of France.

But

Latifah shouldn't go to the evening school

because it was a mixed class,

boys and girls.

But Fuat says

that Murat

will follow the evening class.

Why don't you do that?

And she doesn't.

But Latifah became very fond of her brother

and he kept his mouth

for the love of peace.

Yes.

Now, what has changed

when Latifah went to Schaarbeek?

She has reached the stage

of a certain non-school association

that is now known as

the VZW La Plume.

As you can see

together with

Muslim sisters.

La Plume was founded

by the 52-year-old

and I hope I'm going to say this

Abdelkrim Asnagoui.

The 52-year-old ex-stimmerman,

ex-foreigner,

ex-installateur of Jackpots

in Café.

He had a lot of life, this man.

And in the 1980s

he was from a turbulent nightlife in Brussels.

And he made

a switch

to religion but

in a fairly extreme form.

He grew his beard

and would wear a short pants.

And he profiled himself

as a Koran teacher

and an Islamic genius.

He had no education

but he would say

I'm self-taught.

He specialized

in one specific type

of Islamic genius

which is Rokya.

In the broad sense of the word

it means Rokya, the traditional

Islamic genius.

He didn't

go there

at all.

There was something very specific

in his approach

and that is exorcism.

He used

a lot of equipment

to genius people.

He had an assistant

to the Muslim-based Belgian Xavier Meerd.

He took his new name

Selim.

And the two met

by the extremist Muslim

milieu in Brussels.

I found out a little bit about Xavier.

Yes.

He is the one who

set up the VZ2.

It is known by Abdelkrim.

But Xavier set it up

and he specialized in his 14th.

It was all fine for his mother

who said

he never had problems with Xavier.

He thought about his mother

for a very long time.

A well thought out choice.

A well thought out choice indeed.

But in the end he would

turn the well thought out choice

into an obsession, according to his mother.

Xavier doesn't have a social life anymore

but because of the VZ2

he goes back

on the ladder.

He gets to see him again.

He is very interested

in the traditional genesis

but it is not based on a teaching

but it is written

on his own interpretation

and fantasy.

That is always a good start for something like that.

Exactly.

Fouad describes

the VZ2 as a kind of disease

and I don't think you can see that.

He claims that Latifah

was looking for her until evening

and that outside

he almost lost contact with her.

We as foreigners

didn't really know what was going on there

but it was clear that the influence

of those two men on those young women

who were a part of VZ2

was enormous. They were isolated

and they were easy to manipulate.

Everything was still

due to the information

about demons, witchcraft,

god services, fanatics.

Not really a healthy environment.

Latifah

was a part of VZ2 La Plume

but she wasn't really looking

for solutions

with the Islamic genesis

until she had a problem

Yes, I wanted to say

that she was in the first session

just for god's lessons and arabic lessons

so she wasn't really dealing with

those genesis.

No, absolutely not.

But suddenly a problem came

to herself

where she was

with two men

she had a problem with children

and they didn't get pregnant

so she went to

Xavier

and Abdel Karim

Abdel Karim

Yes, I thought that was Abdel Karim

but

Abdel Karim, indeed

I see different names

because further in my research

I also see Abdel Kader

I hope that we don't have

Abdel Karim.

Abdel Karim, yes.

So she goes to those two men

and they let her know

and convince her that she was pregnant

and that only a devil

could save her.

And Murat really enjoyed that

she wanted to have

a different idea in the beginning

but Latifah was convinced

and she believed herself

that the devil was in her

so Murat went with her

to help the devil

and they started

two months before her death

and

Latifah was

already in the war

with the first treatment

she wasn't so good at reacting

Murat actually called the parents

of Latifah

who were in Morocco at that time

they were back

then Latifah at her house

in the society of Abdel Karim

she had other assistants

and

for what she said

we can see that she was thinking

about the movie The Exorcist

she was apparently tied to hands

and feet

she had to drink a lot of drinks

she was completely weak

she had stupids

but for everyone in that house

it looked normal

no one was there

and then Abdel Karim

started to read

now Latifah's father

Ramdan

excuse me

he really said

everyone outside

he wanted to call a doctor

but the female assistants

who were there

also under the leadership

of Abdel Karim

actually refused to leave

because Abdel Karim said

a doctor will only send Latifah

in psychiatry

and then she will stay for the rest of her life

so she asked

Latifah's father

to let him do what he did

because he knew what he did

but the father

said

and

Latifah's parents

stayed there for 4 days

to take care of her

non-stop

she gave her vitamins

she ate a lot

she really took good care of her

and she will come back

on top

now Latifah's father

asked Murat

to take care of Latifah

along with a psychologist

and then they were on the advice

of the psychologist

they went to France

for 2 weeks

to be in between

and Murat also promised

to leave Latifah

but

he broke his word

yes

flash forward

to 10 days before her death

Latifah decided

to take a new attempt

to get rid of her demons

and

she went back to Abdel Karim

but he was not in the country

and not available

but they are being friendly

Safiye

who had seen enough

how teachers are

and he could do it

he also wants to be in life

I can do this

but also in that way

imagine

that they would be there

that I learn something

I read a book

podcast maker for dummies

and I say to you

I think I can do this

yes, let's do this

and we did it

I mean

I like that people are curious

and interested in life

but when it comes to genius

there are people who studied

and they can do better than you

sorry

without doubt

I mean

no, I was giving bad examples

there are no other examples

don't play with your health

it is clear

look at our family

go to a psychologist

great advice

but Latifah

unfortunately is so convinced

that he is with demons in his body

and Abdel Karim

says, Safiye Meerd

he is going to help you further

and

Murat, the real genius of Latifah

he decides to take a new attempt

and he screams Latifah

from that moment

from her family

he makes sure that there is no contact

her parents

would have stood in front of the door

in the period he followed

he never did it openly

he really made sure that Latifah

could work alone with her demons

and her demons from the driver

we are ten days

before her death

and Safiye Meerd

is in the apartment

to drive the devil out

how is he going to do that?

what does he have with him?

he has Quran texts

which he wrote

on a piece of paper

or plastic

then

he put it in warm water

so that it

dissolves the saffron

and that dye

Latifah had to drink as much

as possible

and then

there was a bath

with hot water

that's where the Quran was put

because that would burn the demon

Murat has decided

that everything

has been put into place

and

I can believe that

they really want to do everything

to solve the fertility problem

so until then

we have a devil excursion

Safiye Meerd

has two female assistants

and she lets me

do the dirty work

we have Jamila

she had a devil excursion

and since then

she has been specialized

in finding the demons

and she also helps other victims

this is really

a standard Stockholm syndrome

that's what Jamila is

and what she has to do

she is convinced that

there is a button in Latifah's skull

and that there is a

really strong demon

locked up

so it takes

so much time

to break two fingers in Latifah's skull

and then

she lets the fingers in the skull

and massages them from inside

the button in her skull

to get that demon

if Latifah is not in the bath

and no brown water is drinking

she gets a headphone

tied to her head

I think

where the Koran verse

is recited

when she wants to sleep

the headphone is also busy

so

how they work

is also clear in that article

of the humor

and in that

later on the police complain

that in the first instance

we were only offering

but we noticed that it has little effect

so that's why they started with the bath

and he says that

sometimes Latifah doesn't want to sit in the bath

sometimes not

we had to swim with the three of us

and it is clear

the water was hot but not cooking

thank you Xavier

and what is also clear

is that Latifah

was tied

in the case of the demon

in her head

now they think that

with a spider web and a camera

a centurion has happened

he says

yes it happens that we lower her head

but that was very short

but really very short

and Latifah tried to get up

but Xavier says

that was her survival instinct

and the devil who doesn't drink water

and I agree that he did it

because

he voted for it

and it was the devil who came up

he connects his actions

to the devil

and he forgets that

there is a person

and a body where

there is no devil

but he speaks his actions well

to say that he tried the devil

and he says that Latifah

was often exposed to such a session

but also

sometimes they didn't react

and really had to be helped

by the bathroom

where they were put in a seat

and they put their headphones back on

but all the officials say

we have never beaten her

don't forget the child had knifes

very nicely

Xavier still has a

addition

and he says we have never beaten her

there was a bitstock

but I took it away

because I thought it might seem suspicious

but I didn't agree with that

it turned out to be a toilet

which was covered with

Koran verses

and he says I sometimes

have a body part

but I didn't agree

I think we now know

where the blue spot comes from

Latifah sometimes also

resisted against the attempts

of Jamila to use her

what did Jamila do

then she opened the can of Latifah

now

eating

so we know that she had to drink

a lot of water

but she didn't

drink more than 2 liters of yoghurt

per day

because

she didn't use any food

but just the bad substance

so that's why she got the yoghurt

served

we didn't get much

than a white paper

a bit like lime

and Xavier says

we know from experience that it's magic

so we went there for 9 days

because if you eat your yoghurt

and you cut a white paper

then it's definitely duffels

that's definitely duffels

so we went there for 9 days

Latifah the child still reacts

I think there was

23 I don't know

half unconscious

with still the head up

plastic

of course under

but the exorcists were

for sure that it couldn't last

longer before the Jins

as it's called

would give up

now Jamila said

I noticed that the Jinn

the demon in Latifah's belly is poisoned

which is good news

because then they can get children

who are sitting in their eyes

and also one more dangerous

who was in a cage

so suddenly the fingers

deep in Latifah's mouth

and then it's

August 4

the day before Latifah's death

yes

it's been quite a while

but this is

the highlight

of the devil edition

Xavier

asked Murat to

let a bath

to put Latifah in there

and to let her drink a black soup

it was a mix between

an oily extract

and that Quran water

and then Murat

the servant started

to spartle Latifah

Xavier took his beard

and

Xavier thought about it

it was so hard that I had to

do a great

she also drew a line

that woman used

in the last episode

to put her in there

instead of taking her out of the bath

they decided to

put her under water

and to keep her

so that she stays in the water

that's also why she's being tarnished

we didn't hit Latifah

but on the Jinn who was in her

and that's why she asked

what she did

to each other

Murat indicated that he

was calling the aid service

because it seemed that Latifah

stopped breathing

but that all the rest of the voices

were given

that the Jinn

would be the last force

and that's what she was doing

that she certainly didn't have to stop

there's still someone in the phone

and that's Xavier

that the situation is not going well

and he calls

who else is the teacher

Abdul Karim

that band is in Morocco

Xavier explains the situation

and he only has one question

for Abdul Karim

namely what should I do

when Latifah comes to die

you know what you have to do

to get out of there

but what if it goes wrong

and I don't know what Xavier

I thought the answer was

that I expected

if that happens

then you take your bullet

and then you're gone

great, that's the people you leave

the aid services

were eventually contacted

because Latifah stopped breathing

and when they arrive

Murat is alone at home

so that means that Xavier

has followed up the good advice of his teacher

together with the WC

to get out of there

something later Latifah's father

arrived

who was going to call for him

he saw his daughter in the morning

and that evening

he left

as we already said

in the hospital

now you already know

that Murat is known

so two years later

a group of exorcists

for the correctional court

were beaten and wounded

with the death

but

there were very light punishments

roll your eyes out of my pocket

yes, so I read it before

Xavier was 5 years old

and didn't have to go to the prison

his assistant was a few months old

that Latifah's husband

was 4 years old

and Abdul Karim

who, as they say, was morally responsible

was released

Fouad

the whole family

was angry

and he said

that the correctional court

allowed him to be arrested

by the lawyers

who said it was about a cultural abuse

owned by Islam

where an accident

happened

but Fouad didn't say

it was about a mental disorder

alcohol, beatings, beatings

Fouad, a platform, please

so the reason I wanted to make this episode

was because I wanted to talk

about exorcisms

and when I came to this

I was surprised

because I really

believe in exorcisms with the Christian faith

of course by all the horror films

that were made about it

so I found it very interesting

to see that it is about

religion, borders and so on

so we also

studied exorcisms

black magic

first in Islam and later in other faiths

in the article of Humo

they let the anthropologist

Philip Hermans on it

why not?

you are my favourite anthropologist

humo call me

my favourite anthropologist

was not available

Philip Hermans also wrote

a book

I think that the man just said

I would do a Xavi

because I know everything

but actually not

but he has deepened himself

in the Moroccan folk culture

and he wrote the book

the world of the gin

I also want to say

for everyone with an alcohol problem

that he thinks about gin

the drink is

I knew nothing about it

I took this information

as a case

really

I find it so difficult

so apparently almost all Muslims

it is a pity that you do not get an anthropologist

you studied anthropology

I think that is something for you

that would be for me

but I would like to read about it

it is also a lot of

rabbit holes

but in a good way

so I would read

something for an exam

and then I would be there

and the rest would not be taught

that would have been to me

I can imagine

apparently it would be good

if all Muslims believed

in the existence of gin

they are written in the Quran

they would be created by Allah

in which it is said

you have male and female gin

good and bad, believing and unbelieving

and also getting children

they can fly through walls

training in camps

sometimes they come to our world

and then they always have bad intentions

it is a bit

the culture of gestures

that we have

that is also described in Islam

the official Islam is very clear

they do not let black magic

they do recognize the existence of it

so

a bit like hard drugs in Belgium

we know that it exists

but it is not allowed

strange

people

go to people

who call themselves

deaf and hard of hearing

to let others deaf and hard of hearing

there was a very

very nice testimony

in the article

a woman who tells her brother

in the slaughterhouse of Anderlecht

and there was a woman who came to him

to ask a very specific question

that man was like

no sorry, not in our drama

but you want me to order it

and what are you going to do with it

where you are probably really interested

in how you make it ready to eat

for that you did not use that woman

because it was necessary for Hexer

they were going to make a drink

that would make sure that the person

you really enjoyed

would serve you as a deaf person

yes

I find it very fascinating

I find it very fascinating

so

where are they, they are everywhere

but why do you take the most risk

to get them in your body

that is in big rows

slaughterhouses and my biggest fear

the toilet

every day I go to a toilet

sit once

sometimes at home, sometimes at work

and now there is a cobra

in my vagina

that is the fear

also with me

and now I realize that

I am already afraid of the gins

you know, there is already one

in you

I don't want to make it ridiculous

but so they come to you

they also have

food preferences

they really like blood

and milk

I wrote three on it

that you know gins are

celebrity gins

I find it very fascinating

so you have

Aisha Kendisha

she is a very beautiful woman

she appears to be for men

but then it turns out that she has

lelechis and bouquets

you have Pasha Hammu

she is a male gen

that is very strong

and has a lot of blood

fuck him

because he takes care of

menstruation with women

and he drives people to

overweight

alcoholism and auto mutilation

I find it less funny than a beautiful woman

who suddenly has bouquets

and last but not least

I wrote down Um Soubien

she is also a fallen young woman

but actually she is old

she has slingshot

and there comes smoke from her nose

and she falls specifically on two population groups

pregnant women and small children

and she is going to sleep

because there comes under her bed

to sit down

a lot of muslims

no orthodox officers

they believe in muslims

they believe a little bit

but they like it

just like we believe in gins

and

it is actually only if

something goes wrong in their lives

that they will eventually

find a genesis

in belgium

it would mainly be for psychical diseases

and for general events

muslims have faith in the

classic genesis

I would like to say that

I have mentioned it

but the number of gins

is very different

compared to the Brom

that you have read

some Quran scholars estimate that there are

68 billion

so boy

look

who knows

but I would like to

because it is really

I was today years old

that I knew about the existence of a gen

so if muslims are

listenable

let us know

do you believe in it?

do you believe in gins?

how do you deal with it?

are there special things that you do?

I am curious

you said

that the real one

has to be recognized by the Islam

because

it has to happen

by a Quran

and that is important for this story

because we have heard a lot about

fulterings and martins

but actually

the demons, the gins

can be derived

but only by Quran

there is an article

in Scharebeek

because what has played out

we think more about scholars

who do not know how far they can go

it seems

to me that

recitation of the Quran

also seems to me something

but maybe I will interpret

because it is repetitive

that you come across a kind of meditation

that someone

who is psychically un-Russian

can make calm

and understand

where recitation comes

and to touch someone

I understand where

the non-traditional

is but it is good that

it is clear

that it is the one that helps

and all the rest

we have talked about Islam

but let's be honest

this is not just an Islamic

as you say

we will talk about the Christian

we have a few examples

where it seems that

it is very common in Christianity

as Paul Francis in 2013

on the St. Peter's Pines Rome

such as himself

a duvel excursion

when he put his hand on the head

of a man with a restriction

which is in the article

weird to react

I do not know what is meant by that

now the Christian

exorcists who immediately

put their hand on the head

that is one of our methods

we know that

so according to the exorcists

Paul Francis also

did an exorcism

now the Vatican

says again that the paus

just wants to pray for that man

but the paus

himself said

that the priests do not have to

pray for

the spiritual, historical and exorcist

to change that

and I found this

very strange

so we have here in belgium the website

kerknet.be

I am also going to look

and it is still on the cover

in a news article

to a lecture for exorcists

in the Vatican

that is an initiative of the

Saaserdos or Sacredos Institute

in cooperation with the International

Association for Exorcists

and there is kerknet.be

and more and more

there is an international association

for exorcists

they are there

I then

in the article of

HumoSaisen

then also called to the Abbey of Averbode

where there are

who are still

regularly asked

for exorcisms

so the interviewer asks

how many people have been

a thousand people

but now it is

much, much, much less

so they are still

asking and how much

right now when it is much less

come daily people

for an exorcism

what?

see, there is

so much more to come

and I didn't know that

I am really shocked

everyone has to do what they want

everyone has to believe in what they want

but this has nothing

to do with faith

and love and friendship

and the doubts

from the fact that

the word exorcism is missing

get out

Knakke is also going to ask

how is it at the Jodendom

if we are still going to go over

and then he says, look

at us it is not really about the devil

the so-called diboek

so you have to believe

that if someone dies

the person's goal will remain

but there are

in the case without it

where the goal can get

a second chance

to improve yourself in other people's

so if you have missed it

in your first life

you don't do it anymore

they say

you have a Sunday

without life and then there is

without a chance

it is a bit like Rat van Vorduin

exactly

now what is the feeling

when the diboek comes

to sit in another human body

is that you can get dreams

that don't seem to come from yourself

or that you can't even

place

but as you said

there is almost no exorcism

but they are going to talk

about the person in question

but in the article

it is said

I doubt if they are going to

organize themselves and sometimes

do a lot of exaggeration

so the person in the article

has interviewed

he says it doesn't

but Bonn of course never knows

what is going on

I think it is nice

that something like that comes back

in all cultures

yes indeed

so to make it really clear

that it is not only

in Islam that there is no

reaction from

you know

now the family of Latifah

to go back to that

they are obviously frustrated

they are angry about the

dirty stuff

that they received in the correctional

bank

and they say we just want

to go to Assizehov

and that those things are treated there

and indeed they get the chance

the case goes to Assizehov

and the case was then

qualified as a full-time

that was necessary to get Assizehov

we are standing there

Murat, Abdel Karim

Xavier and the assistant

Jamila, Fatima and Hayate

now Murat, Xavier,

Jamila and Fatima

are guilty

of following the death

but without the intention

to kill

Xavier was more responsible

for the continuation of the treatment

despite the deteriorating

condition of the victim

and the concerns he had

that is written in the arrest

both other guilty

Abdel Karim and Hayate

were also guilty of following

but they spoke more freely

about the serious circumstances

the jury members were

responsible that Xavier and Murat

were the two responsible for the

beatings they had before

then

the jury also judged

that Jamila and Fatima

had determined

that the victim was in a coma

and they then did not

call for the help

because they also made themselves

guilty of the crime

Jamila also tried to

make them guilty

while they were already

aware of what the

doctors said

as very dangerous

of course when you are

aware of it and you are still

going to use it, then it is the

chance that you also stick to it

after that the jury also

judged that Abdel Karim

came in June 2004

at the beginning of the session

and that he could not be responsible

for the death of Latifah

but

they also made those allegations

for Hayate and they said

that is not true

since July 29

they had no contact with the victims

or were they held back

so I think it is the same

so with her

they said

we already talked about it

I am going to start this petition

hold the word again

and I think it is

again wrong in the Netherlands

so

with Hayate

they also said

she is also not responsible

for the death of Latifah

because she had no contact

since July 29

and she died in August 5

so

on the Assisi process

Moura and Xavier

were sentenced to 9 years

for the death of Latifah

Jamila and Fatima

were sentenced to 5 years

and Abdel Karim and Hayate

were sentenced to 3 years

so

better

but not much better

families

of course

were deeply hurt

but they could start their raw process

and you would think

here it stops

and on the word

it is

Abdel Karim

who even tells

about his work

as an exorcist

because he is still on strike

he doesn't deny that

and he says in the article

I am constantly dealing with devil's intentions

people keep coming to me

I have already done more than 1000

and Minilem

minimizes his prejudice

but my lawyer

gave me that

the only thing I wanted to do

was to help Latifah

her parents were grateful

I am getting very aggressive

but I will finish

he says

when Latifah was in Morocco

I had advised her

to do the ritual medicine

but she would die in the hospital

and not at home

during the process I told the police

that you are welcome to visit

to see such a devil's intention

and I asked the hospital staff

to help

the patient

to recite the Quran

I am convinced

that I will be able to help so many patients

what the fuck

shut this guy up

this guy is Delulu

here I am getting angry

I am really getting angry

of course

I am not saying that

you are not responsible

but you are

very, very responsible

but this is so God complex

absolutely

and you just don't want to see

you don't want to recognize

that you did something wrong

and within that

you get the impression

that I am the one who has done

thousands of exorcisms

and there you go

we are sold

really terrible

you can see that it is not going well

and he is going to keep doing this

and it is going to be even worse

of course

yes, there are 999

well done

if there is one thousandth mistake

yes

not at all

especially in this

untrusted

there are always mistakes

the risks are so real

you know what the other 999

people are going to keep going

yes, indeed

and as you can see

extremism is just good for nothing

you see the family

of Latifah was good

she was good in that way

people who look at religion

in a very healthy way

what it is really good

but if you get lost

in radical circumstances

then it is just not going well

no

that's it

yes, it was a very difficult

thing

especially because it happened in Schaar

right next to us

and that it just

still happens

yes, because

this is read as a bad horror movie

but this is just recent

and reality

interesting, I am happy

that you can dive into

very certainly

thank you for listening

yes, thank you all

I thought you were saying thank you

also thank you, thank you for being here

Schaar did, with a lot of pleasure

love you all

bye babies

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