de volksjury: Aflevering 113 - de Bijlmerramp

Welcome to episode 113 of The Volkjuree.

We are Laura and Silke.

It's fucking hot, so we're opening the door.

So if you hear some birds or a fluffy dog, it looks exactly like we're sitting outside.

Exactly the Provaas, but we're just in Antwerp.

Just.

Just.

Everything good?

Yes, very good.

I'm glad that the summer has finally started.

It feels good, too hot today.

Look, but that always happens.

Always happy that we were able to leave the autumn and winter behind us.

And that the Lent has finally left you.

Summer time.

Summer time.

So that's good.

There must be a complaint in Belgium about the hot weather, because otherwise you're not a real Belgian.

That's true.

Further, I had a nice weekend.

You were there, too.

Today.

Yes, I'm really surprised that people who follow us on Instagram think that we really don't have any other friends.

So now it's proven that other people also came to know, but we do some things with each other.

That's true.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, it was a very nice weekend.

Intense.

I'm going to say free cell.

What are you going to say about it?

Free cell.

Proficiat.

Yes.

Further, we have some words for...

We're not going to give away too much, because we're studying for the brown rubber band.

He doesn't have to know everything.

I know what you're talking about.

My word for cell is aventure.

My word for cell is...

Laura slept in a bed with another man.

Then it's my word for cell.

Cells has slept in a bed with two other women.

And then it's my word for stripper.

That was our weekend, guys.

Fill in the holes yourself.

No, it was super nice.

Yes.

Out of the hole.

And you know, it was the same vibe of, hey, the summer has finally started.

We know that it hasn't officially started yet, but you know what we mean.

For us.

For us.

And then it's like, weekend away with the friends.

Outside at night.

Yes, indeed.

We missed a trick.

Yes, yes.

I didn't have a trick.

So we made my suitcase together.

Because Silke was sleeping at my place in the evening.

And I put on a jacket.

And the blink of an eye was towards my suitcase.

And I was like, what the hell?

It's 30 degrees.

It doesn't cool off.

I was like, okay.

And then we were there.

Then we were there without a suitcase.

And without a B.H.

Steven tepels all over the place.

What a chance for other people to have a dress or a party.

Well, that was our weekend.

How was it from you?

Let us know.

Sometimes I think, sometimes I would like to know what you think about this weekend.

Maybe we can give it some inspiration or something.

Yes, right?

If you really did something wrong this weekend.

Let us know.

Yes, yes, yes.

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And then something we really got a lot of messages about.

I really didn't expect that.

It has been a topic in our discussion group.

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I knew it.

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I want to clear the air first.

I thought about it too long.

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Wait, first I have to say, I'm a member of the Arab sector

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I love it.

I'm not a dual public.

I know that there are a lot of children who have to drink with water

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They drink a lot more water.

I drink a lot more water.

I drink even more water.

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Of course, I didn't think that it would change in cola.

That was never my expectation.

But I can compare it to what Pinter is.

Mamas used to make water with lemon slices

and muun slices,

and you put frambosa,

and that's work,

and you have to cut it and buy it.

And that's all because of that pot.

So of course you don't try that.

I mean, it's not even a sparkling cola,

but it's water that gets a taste.

I understand that.

But you still have time.

It's not that there's something in the water.

No.

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Why?

How is it still working?

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I've had a water bottle for a long time.

I think this water bottle is fucking handy,

also without a pot.

And you can leave it to me.

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Like you have to do it with a lot of drinks.

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Good, that's clear.

I think that's super clear.

Okay, perfect.

I'm going to do the episodes.

I'm going to say that this for me

was totally unexpected, the most difficult episode

to prepare for.

What are we going to talk about?

I can't tell you why.

No, it was my choice to choose.

I have already thought about it,

but I still want to know how you came up with it.

So, I really want to go to the Netherlands anyway.

We have already talked about it.

And I also really want to do something about a space.

And I saw on Disney Plus,

non-spon, that there was a new fiction series,

but I didn't know what it was about.

So I thought,

ah, yes, it's about the firework explosion.

So we're going to do that.

And then I thought,

let's take a look at that series.

And then it was apparently about the Bellmer Ramp in Amsterdam.

I had never heard of it.

Me neither.

I had never heard of it,

so I said,

this is what we're going to do.

And it's just like the previous episode,

there can be a lot to be said about it.

And it's also something that we're going to try

to separate the big lines.

We're going to talk about it later,

because you find it difficult.

Then we can just start.

We are in the Bellmer Meer,

or the Bellmer is also called the Bellmer.

It's a residential area of Amsterdam,

in the city part of Amsterdam, south-east.

And the building of it was started in 1966.

And what's remarkable about it

is that it was very exciting for that time.

The idea that they actually wanted to do,

they wanted to take a separation between living and working.

No, but...

Yes, they wanted to...

No, there was a separation between living and working.

Yes, yes, yes.

So there had to be a separation

between motorways, bicycle paths, food chains,

and that kind of thing.

And they actually wanted to prevent traffic accidents,

they wanted to prevent a kind of traffic jam.

And they went there with the idea of Le Corbusier,

that's the architect of the 20th century,

when I shot it.

They said, look, the modern man

has a right to a quiet, green living environment

without traffic.

And yes, I can't...

I can't give him an immediate one.

So there were ultimately

high-rise flats,

about ten floors,

and they were in a kind of six-sided building.

So where the one flat diagonal stops,

the other closes again.

Yes, they...

They picture it very clearly.

We're going to take a picture.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

So a lot of green was also important.

The first apartments were delivered on 25 November 1968.

And the Beilmer itself is also divided into a kind of neighborhood.

And every neighborhood or every neighborhood

is then also connected to a letter

and the apartment blocks that are in that neighborhood

have the same letter as the neighborhood

and also the streets have the same letter.

That's the only thing I find difficult.

Because then it's like...

Then you fill in a little number.

A letter.

Yes, or a letter.

That's the only thing.

I think...

I also want to say that Silke said,

I want to do something about it.

Here's a podcast where you can listen to it

to get into the business.

And I haven't looked up anything yet.

And he's talking about Beilmer, Beilmer, Beilmer, Beilmer, Beilmer.

So I look it up and I didn't find Beilmer.

But it turned out to be Beilmer with long eggs.

So I also wanted to know where that name came from.

Yes.

I looked it up.

And the Beilmer mayor was more effective than it was until 1626.

So outside of Amsterdam.

They completely dried it up.

And actually the apartments were built

at the place where once a mayor was built.

And that's why the Beilmer mayor remains

even though there is no mayor in the neighborhood.

Okay, thanks.

Thanks.

Thanks for the call.

Thanks for the call.

Now, we always say it was the model work.

It was built for the modern people.

But in the end, it didn't turn out so well

with the practice.

Because it was made for the Amsterdamers.

But read, the white Amsterdamers.

And they actually stayed away.

There was actually a lot of competition

with a lot of new buildings in other neighborhoods of Amsterdam.

So yes, before that, of course, there was a lot of empty space.

Yes indeed.

I think it's funny that you really have a whole concept.

I wonder if you still have the same mistakes

that happened today among the tenants.

That you build a neighborhood

and think, okay, everyone is going to jump on it,

but no one jumps on it.

Because of the empty space,

because of the apartments.

Yes, they have to be filled.

Because that means that this has to be brought up.

So there is no longer a resident of the Beilmer neighborhood.

It is a very multicultural society.

It attracts people from different layers

of the population,

a lot of people with a migration background

and also people who are illegally staying in the country at the moment.

So it's really a mix of,

do you hear all the languages, all the cultures,

all the stories?

Yes, I think of also among other Dutch people,

but also Surinamers, Antillians, Ganeses,

really everything and everyone is against it.

I think there are more than 130 nationalities.

I think it's fucking interesting.

Yes.

I would have liked to join.

At the end of the day, there is a connection

in the Beilmer neighborhood.

Because there are people who are illegally staying there.

There are apparently circumstances.

There is a lack of work,

there is a lack of criminality.

And also with the fact that they have decided everything.

So where people are going to walk or walk,

there is no social control,

because there are no cyclists, there are no cars.

So it also feels, some parts feel very unsafe.

So that's a bit the setting in which we

actually start the business.

Our business.

Yes.

And then we fly to 4 October 1992.

I have a witness of Betty standing in front of me here.

And Betty is someone who lives in the Beilmer.

And that Sunday evening she would like to go to the neighborhood shop

to buy milk for her child.

And suddenly she is knocked on the door.

She opens the door.

And apparently there are two friends in front of the door

who want to drink something with her.

She says to herself,

okay, I'll do that shop later.

Put it down.

What do you have to do?

Until suddenly there is a huge bang.

They think of a car accident.

And one of the friends is right and opens the front door.

I suspect that the flat, or the flat where she lives,

where you are a bit like the American hotels,

where you go for a walk.

So she opens the door.

And the whole corridor is full of people who are watching.

You are outside.

Yes, you are outside.

And the whole corridor is full of people who are watching what is happening.

There is panic.

And they walk down through the staircase.

They hear all the numbers through one.

Yes.

And around half past seven in the evening,

at the same time actually,

there is a cell phone.

Behind his computer he is a graphic designer.

He is also a farmer, by the way.

And he just sits there behind his computer.

And suddenly he also hears a lot of noise.

He does not understand what is happening.

But he gives the camera that he is lying at home

and immediately goes outside.

What was that actually?

The saw was an island of fire.

Yes.

And pure panic everywhere.

Yes.

And then there is Joop.

And Joop is a police officer.

And he is in the cell together with his colleague

to note down a house arrest.

The people who called for the arrest came to us.

He is a researcher in Amsterdam, South-East.

And he is also around half past seven.

He hears a knock on the door.

And sees people walking in a certain direction.

And he decides, together with his colleague,

to go in the same direction.

Yes.

And then there is a last witness that we found.

He is from Avie Davelaar.

He is currently visiting a friend in South-East.

And he is in the G district.

And shortly before that, there were only children at the G spot.

I think.

Sorry, I missed that.

And then there were children at Haarlem.

For example, they almost every weekend

went back to the Beilmer to see their friends there.

And at the age of 17,

Korson, I do not know if I can pronounce it correctly,

and he was actually with his brother

from Haarlem to the Beilmer.

And they actually see something.

After six, they see Korson.

They say, I can say hello.

He and his friend Morena would go to the movie with friends that night.

And not much later,

they actually see a plane from the window.

Still falling down.

He says, I was not quite there.

It was not strange at all.

Until a man,

the man from one of his friends came in

and said, what are you still doing here?

There is a plane crashed.

And so in the Haarbuurt,

she is in the G-buurt,

the Haarbuurt is apparently a plane crashed.

And yes, she does not know where her son is.

And it is in the Beilmer, it is pure panic.

We have already said it.

And the question is, what is happening here?

Was it an accident?

She knows very little at the moment.

But as soon as possible,

they will come after that it would be a freight plane

from the Israeli aviation company LL.

So a Boeing 747-200 for the people who would say something.

But all those people have,

what we just talked about,

they have heard how a plane crashed

in their neighborhood,

so many people live here.

Yes, not only when the plane crashed,

an apartment building was damaged.

This is already a lot of millennial images of 9-Eleven.

There are pictures of how the plane probably

broke the flat,

so we will definitely share it.

But let's talk about the plane.

Yes, I have another one from Joop.

He writes, it was an inferno.

There were parts everywhere,

parts of the plane, it was so hot.

He says, I think it even lowered 1000 degrees.

You can't imagine that.

He also says, how do you know what 1000 degrees is?

You can make a small estimate up to 45 degrees,

but everything between 250 and 1000.

I have no clue.

I think it was about 350.

Exactly.

And yes, apparently, two people

have seen a burning flat.

Yes, indeed.

I have the plane first.

Yes, the plane.

So indeed, like Silke said, it was a Boeing 747-200,

which was left in New York on October 4, 1992.

And it was on the way to Tel Aviv,

but it was planned to land on Schiphol.

During the flight from New York to Schiphol,

three defects were reported.

In the plane, I'm almost going to say

why my voice is really high again.

Three defects in the plane were

fluctuations in the speed,

regular of the automatic pilot.

I think that's because there is also a physical pilot.

I can still take that over.

There is a problem with the short golf radio

and fluctuations in the electric voltage of generator 3.

That means engine 3.

The plane lands, as planned, at 4.30 p.m.

on Schiphol.

In Schiphol, a new charge is added to the aircraft.

It was well done by the Duwans,

but not physically controlled.

The plane is refueled.

That's one of the main reasons why it has to stop on Schiphol.

And the defects are provisional.

Adai.

And apart from the man who left that in New York,

a new person is on board.

Let's mention all the male members.

We have the first voice-over pilot,

Yitzhak Foush.

He is 59 years old.

He was a straliac pilot in the 1950s.

He had more than 25,000 airpower at the Israeli Air Force.

Sorry, this is for the nerds, but I'm going to help here.

More than 25,000 flight hours behind the scenes.

In the 1950s,

he knew how to adjust.

His co-pilot and first officer was Arnon Ohad,

32 years old.

He also had a lot of experience.

He had 4,288 flight hours on his name.

Wait, is he still on board?

Gedalia Sofer, 61.

He is a flight worker.

I like to have someone on board.

He has the most experience on this flight.

26,000 flight hours.

From 15,000 to a Boeing 747.

Sorry, a flight worker?

Is he still on board?

Or is he a steward?

No, I don't think it's a steward.

He has to know a lot about the plane.

And who is on board?

That's Anat Solomon.

He's a passenger.

He's 23 years old.

He's already a co-pilot in Amsterdam.

He's traveling to Tel Aviv to marry another co-pilot.

I suspect that the company's co-pilot

will be able to fly with him when he gets there.

But on Amsterdam Schiphol,

with a delay of 52 minutes,

the plane leaves at 18.22.

From the Zwanenburg-Bahn in the northern direction.

It was very bad weather at the time.

Strong north-eastern wind.

Once away from the ground,

the plane chooses to take a turn to the east.

That's the Pampus.

So a planned departure route.

A fixed way to leave the airport.

But after the first turn.

What are the first problems?

At 18.28, the man has already given the first emergency signal.

Above the gaui, there are several hard clashes.

Engine 3 is the inside engine

on the right wing of the plane.

It would be broken off,

damaged the wing clashes,

and flew against engine 4.

Laura screams at every word I say.

Because the engine 4 is also broken off.

At that moment, in the gaui,

people who were driving on a boat

were shocked by the clashes.

They also reported it.

But we didn't see two objects falling down.

Our reporter Vuchs

gave a media report to the traffic police.

They said, let's go back to Schiphol.

A few minutes later,

the engine 3 was on fire

and then LL1862,

lost number 3 and number 4 engine.

In Schiphol, they didn't see the emergency signal.

Because it was lost,

it was often seen in the air

as the loss of engine power.

And not so much that we literally lost our engines.

So they thought,

they just dropped those engines.

And they suspect that the pilots also thought so.

Because they didn't know how to look at the wing.

From the cockpit.

They couldn't see if it was still there.

And they just saw it on their computer.

They saw that the engines didn't turn on.

They didn't work.

But they had no idea it was lost.

I don't see the difference.

Not working or not working,

for me there's no difference.

First, the pilot asked

and later it became a published transcript.

Look, which track is available for emergency landing?

The air traffic control has said,

look, landing track 6 is still free.

But the pilot then tried to make a emergency landing

on track 27.

And why?

Because that image is not really clear.

And it has never really become clear.

And they also said,

a choice for track 27

wasn't directly for the hand.

The wind came from the northeast.

There should be a strong gust of wind.

And they think that the crew chose this

because the load of the LL

close to track 27 was stationary.

But they think that it would also be possible

that track 27 was chosen

because this was the track

that would have been the closest

from the aircraft.

And that's why it was chosen for track 27.

Now to get it right for track 27,

the crew first made a circle

above Amsterdam.

That's a tight area.

A tight area.

And during that circle

to fly to the LL,

our captain gave his pilot an assignment

to write out the flaps

as if they were clapping the wings.

And on the left, the flaps were shaking

and the left wing.

And because of that,

engine 3 damaged the right wing,

it couldn't flap on the right wing.

Everyone who has already sat on a plane

knows it.

And it's the principle

for which it is used.

It brakes you off

because you can clip it out.

Is there wind?

A small sweet minute

before you land,

suddenly you hear the whistle

and you see the flaps.

And that's to go against the wind.

And that doesn't happen

on the right wing.

Because of that,

more rotation power

was created on the right wing.

And the pilot also said

there are also problems

with the flaps.

But on the way to the landing

the plane lost balance,

lost rotation.

And at 18.35

the plane flew down

vertically,

flying with the right wing

through two flat buildings

in the Beilmermeer.

Exactly at a point

where the Galerijflat Groeneveen

went over in Kleinkruidberg.

Yes, I found a drawing of it.

Because it wasn't clear

how that was

flying vertically

when I went down to the right wing.

Yes, it's confusing.

But I found a drawing of it.

Yes, what are the consequences?

The buildings that are being boarded

fly immediately in fire,

die part of it.

Hundreds of apartments

are being renovated at the same time.

The cockpit

comes into the eastern

wing.

And between those buildings

you have the viaduct

of the Metrolijn 53.

It seems to me

a very bad place

to come with a plane.

To land.

At 18.35

the air traffic

in the traffic jam

happened.

From that moment

you could

see a big rock

above Amsterdam

in the traffic jam.

And they knew

the plane was down

they didn't know

how or where.

They did see the direction

but not where exactly.

So the traffic leaders

made contact

at that moment

with the aid service.

Yes, what I want to say

is that

the pilots had contact

for a media report.

And those people

didn't see

the air traffic jam.

So it was the traffic

traffic in the airport

that those people

had to say

that it happened.

So the people who are in those towers

actually do

when I have it right

simply the landing

and

the rise of airplanes.

And when you are flying

with someone

you don't have to

sit in those high towers

you are in a normal building.

Yes, that's right.

So they didn't see it

and in those towers

they knew

there were problems

and they kept going

because they were going

to make an emergency landing.

They were waiting

on that plane

and then they saw

that smoke and so on.

It happened.

So at the moment

of the first flight

there were two police agents

in the neighborhood

and they are

tracking the emergency message.

And they see

that the situation

immediately collapsed

and we also

had a big alarm.

Soon

the fire department

the rescue teams

are there

the hospital

and the environment

is being alarmed

to be able to take

hundreds of wounded

because there is

an initial thought

that hundreds

of people

died.

And also

because

there were still

people who

didn't stay

legally in the Netherlands.

So they

didn't register.

They didn't know

how many people

were officially living

in the flat buildings.

We have already said

there are people

also from the flat

buildings

jumped out

from the burning flat

buildings.

What the police

also noticed

is that there were also

plundering places

in the first hours

to the crash.

There were broken in

in the

empty houses

and there were TV's

and magnetons

brought with them.

That's the most good

in the year

of August.

A microgolf.

But then

we didn't know

if it was serious.

There were

ramp tourists

on board.

In the podcast

you hear

very well

that people

really

came from everywhere

to look

at what

exactly

was

there.

Very serious.

Very serious.

I'm just

going to

do a little

interview.

This is my

biggest fear.

Guys,

I hate planes.

Halfway

above the Atlantic Ocean

and

Zürstow

that was no longer

on the plane.

It's not

really

dramatic for me.

And I really

didn't expect

to read

about a ramp

that I

really had to

stop

around the quarter.

Because

now

something

is being added

to the possibilities

that can happen

with the plane.

You can

literally

drop

two engines

above Amsterdam.

So,

I'm still flying.

Yes,

I'm talking about it.

And

for me

the problem is

that it's

difficult.

For example

you have

people who

have a lot of problems

with landing

or

with

getting on

because

98% of

I know

such things

go

in those parts.

But

because

my issue

is in the middle

of my flight

I have

to

be

Oh, okay.

Also because I always...

And that's purely my mini-dream.

That happens above the sea.

So I find it also extra exciting as a plane above the sea.

I have to fly because I also think,

I'm the person who's going to survive the crash in the middle of the ocean

and then there's a mega-high down there.

Also, I'm not a fan of open sea.

I don't think I'm that way either.

So, you know, I saw all my fears combined in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

And now...

Normally, when I was flying above a city or a country,

there's always a chance of a crash.

And now, that chance has been taken away.

No, but there's always a chance of a crash.

Yes, but...

You've also tried it.

A crash isn't successful.

So the only thing that can save me,

and that's just a small heads-up,

I'm going completely for a conspiracy theory in this specific case

just to make my own trauma no bigger.

Okay, okay, okay.

Valalla, what did I say?

What are we going for?

The early morning of October 5, 1992.

My mom is still nine days younger than me.

Oh yeah, that's right.

What did I say?

Her last nine days have passed.

She didn't know.

In the early morning of October 5,

they started with the space of the ramp.

Actually, this is the cleaning station

under the line of the fire brigade of Amsterdam.

There is directly indicated which buildings to install.

It is checked which concrete plates can still slide down.

The joy.

And the accident when they start cleaning

is sorted out.

Or before deciding

that this accident is going straight to that depot

because it's just an accident, concrete, blocks.

Parts of the airport are brought to a certain location.

Hangar 8 on Schiphol,

all the airport materials are brought there.

And the rest is actually going to the Avalberg.

So that's not being checked.

No, no.

Because the mayor has something

about the victims of the mountain

has the highest priority at the moment.

Yes, indeed.

May I dive into my conspiracy

or do you rather have the first facts?

I just thought

that they would know the cause.

Oh yes, just do it.

Yes?

Yes.

So we know that the engines 3 and 4

have been broken down.

And what it looked like.

That one of the pins,

which makes such a motor,

to really make it just an error.

Yes, I didn't know it was just a pinnacle.

Yes, but I know that now too.

That's an extra mechanism.

If one thing fails,

it doesn't mean that everything fails.

Yes, yes.

That's already about this plane.

But look.

So one of those pins,

which means that the engine is stuck

to a wing,

would have been broken down.

And later it turned out that in that pin

there were also some small hairs,

which means that metal has finally given up.

And because one of the engines has broken down

and the engine has taken over.

And that's why the flaps are damaged.

But it's not just about that pin.

Apparently there was a fault

in the concept of the engine

of that specific wing.

Of this plane,

not of the 747-200 type.

Yes, I think so.

Yes, but I wanted to...

Yes, because they have the rear...

I didn't even roll yet.

But they have all checked the rear.

I can't forget this.

I don't know.

There was a fault in the concept.

For me, it doesn't matter.

For you, it only matters this plane,

because they fixed those faults.

And so...

So yes, it wasn't just a pin that was broken down,

but there was something wrong with it.

But there is still some criticism,

because the failure of the plane

and the plane went way too fast.

There are also trucks with broken parts

of the plane going straight to the failure of the plane

and instead of going to the shipwreck.

And that's also the discounted Henk Bruis,

who said that the earpiece was missing.

Yes, missing a number of parts.

I understand that Brandt takes the lead

of such a mountain.

They are specialized in that.

Yes, the mayor of Siegheuze, from Gaufort.

Yes, Gaufort.

But there might have been people with airplanes

who should have been there,

because something that seems to be the one failure

is crucial for the other.

So that's where it's wrong.

Not all the aircraft material

goes to the airports where it can be checked.

I want to say something about the death toll.

And then you can...

No, no, no, no.

So after the ramp,

there are a lot of missing parts,

up to 1,500, apparently.

There is a first-person account

with a death toll of 200 victims,

even 250 victims.

But in the end, the number of victims

is officially set to 43,

but that's good news.

In the first instance, there was a passenger plane.

The death toll was so high,

that they came to know that it was a freight plane.

Fortunately, no one was there.

Then it turned out that there were

43 victims in total.

And in total, there were 26 people

who were taken up by 11 in a hospital.

Amazing, isn't it?

I don't think there are many victims

for what has happened.

Indeed.

There were also people who

had already been illegally taken up

in the flats.

And there is no clarity

about who had already been taken up here,

who can be created from the list.

So the mayor of Vantijn

decided at that moment

that people who were illegally taken up

and who were involved in the ramp

were to be given a permanent permit.

They would come to a so-called cost list,

but there was also a massive misuse of it.

Because within a few weeks,

the 1,797 people

would have lived in those two flats.

Look, I understand it.

And some even came from Brussels,

Amsterdam, to...

But I understand that I would try.

Now, there are 91 people on that list

who would be given a permanent permit

out of 55.

And the list of victims

is also due to the list.

And it is reduced from almost 1,600 to zero.

So there is not a single person

who had been illegally taken up?

They said everyone was taken up.

Well, that's convenient.

Let's see.

Where do I want to start

with my conspiracy theory?

Oh, yes.

I've already talked about the outcome of that.

And very quickly after the ramp,

24 hours after the ramp,

there is an anonymous journalist

by the standard, the Vlaamese Karant,

who wrote

that he and his own eyes,

or he and his own eyes,

have seen that frauds

are carried out in a special kind of truck,

namely blue trucks,

without description.

There were security people

who spoke English,

and they held the news at a distance.

Two of those trucks, they saw,

did not go to Schiphol,

also not to the mountain,

where the accident went to.

They were on the other side.

They were camouflaged

with advertising texts.

And there were German warning signs.

So the journalist

was surprised

that something would happen to him.

So 24 hours later,

the Vlaamese Karant,

the standard with a scoop,

sus, sus.

The next day,

it's time for a press conference.

There must be a big ramp,

so there must be a story.

From the Reichs-Luchtvaart-Dienst.

I suspect it's a sort of...

We don't have a Reichs-Luchtvaart-Dienst in Belgium.

I suspect it would be

something like that.

Or is it for you?

What is a different entity?

Foreign policy.

Foreign policy.

What is it called?

Reichs-Luchtvaart-Dienst.

Or maybe the base of the airport?

No, I think it's an independent entity

that is responsible for the investigation.

Yes, it can.

They are...

In the first press conference,

we are here in the morning after the party,

so we are...

This is really quick after the party.

Then I have to give up.

I'm not going to go too fast down the toll

in my rabbit hole.

There is a one-motor broken down.

It fell into the egg.

That's the cause

that the plane crashed out of balance

and collapsed.

At that press conference,

the journalists are from all over Europe.

It's a big space,

so everyone gets there.

There is a Danish journalist

who is a Dutch journalist,

Vincent Tecker,

who has been very busy with the

and according to me, also in the podcast.

And this journalist says,

No, no, no.

I heard that

two engines of the plane

were broken down.

And I also have a copy

of the radar images.

And that radar route,

that they say that the plane took place

here in the press conference,

that's not the route to see the radar images.

So something is not right there.

So the journalist Vincent Tecker,

who filled his water with something here,

and afterwards,

the Rijksluchtverdinsk came back.

At the beginning I said,

there are still two engines broken down,

but on that plane route,

they never came back.

So it's enough to

get his own research,

and he also got permission

from his head editor.

Yes, so there is something

to the whole explanation,

and it only becomes more subtle,

because we still have a whole list

with suspicious things.

It is of course a cargo plane,

so the question on everyone's lips

what was in that plane,

what flew to Tel Aviv.

So we have to know

what is the minister of traffic and water.

Yes, I think it's beautiful.

I think I had to be in the closet,

so I wouldn't regret this.

There was a plane down there,

there was a dangerous load.

No, perfume and flowers,

that was in there.

And certainly no military

or dangerous load.

Because there were also computer parts

in there, but nothing dangerous.

Now, two weeks after the crash

one of the passengers finds

a partially burned cargo plane.

There it says

what the cargo is.

And it turns out that on our flight

a military

equipment,

ammunition for military gear

was on board.

It also comes from 1993

to the outside, a year after the ramp

that the plane was found

and what was on it.

So how

did military weapons

come in there?

A nice vague description

of what it could all be.

There is something military

that can already be used as weapons.

Yes, but we also have to explain

the link between Schiphol and Israel.

The plane made a stop

on Schiphol.

It was from New York,

in the direction of Tel Aviv.

And it received a new load there,

which was controlled by the Duane.

It did not seem to be the case.

And on Schiphol

didn't have to follow the same rules

as other aviation agencies.

Sorry, you already said that

El Al is an Israeli, I don't know

what the story is about.

Yes, with this Israeli aviation agency.

Now, what is also remarkable

is that the cargo division

of El Al, one of the biggest clients

of Schiphol.

And Schiphol is an important link

between Tel Aviv and the United States.

But the question is

very quickly.

The Mossad of Israel

uses the Schiphol

for certain materials,

weapons, via Schiphol.

Because they do not have to

follow the rules

to their own land,

to the rest of the world.

The Mossad is, by the way,

the secret institution.

And they also say

about the aircraft.

It is perfectly laid down,

very central.

And it is well equipped,

I think it is also a very good word.

It is well equipped

as it were, with tools

to carry out such flights.

We already said

that at the emergency landing

they wanted to have a certain runway

number 27, where their hangar

has been established.

They indeed have a very large hangar

next to the landing runway.

There is a lot of personnel on Schiphol

and even LL personnel

allowed the aircraft to enter and exit.

While every other aircraft

works with personnel,

ground personnel of the aircraft

that is not necessarily connected

to a specific aircraft.

But LL already had their own personnel

and even that personnel came on board.

It is also a small dream of mystery.

And then I also have

LL Operation Manager

Je Plettenberg

who actually has the supervision

on the loading and unloading

of the aircraft.

He actually noticed that there were

different versions of the request letters.

While there were other documents

that came from New York

that were used again.

He explained that in a program

in 1996.

So he said, I suspect that

LL has already started an event

with all those request documents

for an unfortunate aircraft.

And after that event, he just

rejected it.

He also did a report against LL

for the recommendation of waiting documents

and false records.

But nothing came out of that.

So about the loading,

we will go further into it later.

But this is already a first Red Flag.

A small Red Flag indeed.

The cockpit voice recorder

Flight data recorder

or are you going to say something about the loading?

It doesn't matter.

I am now going to

do the cockpit voice recorder.

I just wanted to

go through that

with the space of the aircraft

and the crash environment.

Those two essential

elements that had to be looked for.

The cockpit voice recorder

and the flight data recorder.

The two black dots.

So the flight data recorder

tracked an aircraft

when I understood it correctly.

So there are all flight details

and they have damaged the crash

after a few days

but found it back.

The last two and a half minutes

were tested, that's a shame

because that was indeed very crucial information.

And the cockpit voice recorder

is actually right next to it.

On an aircraft, those two

are very close to each other.

But it is not found

on the crash scene.

That might not be right.

How do you say that?

The place where the crash took place.

The crash scene?

Yes, the crash scene.

Better.

What I found out

is that the police also spread a poster

on November 7th

that they were looking for

a voice recorder.

Because they thought, who knows,

one of those ramp tourists took it with them.

They stole it for 15 months.

But what a shame,

the wrong model was displayed on the poster.

Yes, yes.

The fact that they were next to each other

that's absurd.

And that one is found back.

So there are people who have been released

saying that one of them has flown away

and the other one is not.

And you have to admit that

they were released from America.

They said

that they knew exactly

what the cockpit voice recorder was.

But it didn't have

anything to do with it.

And then

there is

the conspiracy theory.

There is a former Mossad agent

Viktor Ostrovsky

who speculated on November 1st

1994

that the airplane

the CVR

and the cockpit voice recorder

didn't have that.

Because he says, look at all the airplanes

there is

standard, the cockpit voice recorder

that is taken out of standard.

Especially

when there is a military charge

or when the Mossad

for the Israeli secret service

or when people are being flown for that.

And he says, yes, to distance

that doesn't take a minute.

No one has to

see that.

So that is remarkable.

Now that there is still

food, because it is

remarkable that it has disappeared

is that according to

declarations of twelve eyewitnesses

just after the crash

6 to 10

people were always

at the airport.

And they had to take it

with a kind of helmet

they had white suitcases

and other residents

who said, look, 8 minutes to the crash

there was a white order bus

there was no air with

men in white suitcases

who could walk through the fire

and they were not busy

looking for people to help

they were doing something for themselves

and

they are all convinced

that it was not people

who were at the aid service

and

that is also strange

that a lot of people already say

there were people doing something

and we don't know what.

No indeed, and there are a lot of eyewitnesses

who say it

so apart from those twelve people

there are still people who are eating

for things that have disappeared

some people say that the suitcases

were aluminum colored

some people say white suitcases

but I suspect that you can find

some people who speak of a helicopter

who brought the people in their suitcases

and brought them back

we are talking about that time

sorry, 8 minutes

if there is no police

who is already white

because of the control room on Schiphol

yes, I think so

Yes, there is someone

one of the head officers

says, look, it is unclear

if it could be

secret agents

so it is unclear if the secret agents

were there as soon as possible

to eliminate the black suitcases

a part of the charging

to unify or to investigate a possible bomb attack

that is actually

on your own skin

your own investigation where it started

the thing is also

the stories of white suitcases

came up quickly

people wanted to help

they came to talk

and there is also no order service

so no one came forward

and said

this is the fire of Amsterdam

or this is the special police unit

or the camp

but no one speaks

so no one knows who they are

I'm not going to say that all those people were hallucinating

I don't believe it

now, about a year

after the ramp

people started

in the residents of the village

but they called

but they have legal complaints

and they are going to put a ban

with the ramp

the legal complaints

are mostly sleepless

chronic airway infections

a lot of pain in potency

but they have legal complaints

and then

by a ban

which actually comes up

for people who now say

I have an assignment to keep up

they leave a bomb drop

in October 1993

so a year after

after the facts

and they said

look, in the plane

there was an armed uranium

and that was known

a year earlier

but it was not yet known

and when I was in class

armed uranium

world ramp of format

apparently it's not normal anymore

that it was in the plane

but then I read

further, on October 7

so only 3 days after the facts

there were

2 blown up

of armed uranium

of every 45 kilos

found back on the ramp

one was broken in the middle

why are they in the plane

they are used

as balance

weight

to make sure that a plane

remains in balance

sorry

and in the end there was

in Hangar 8 where the plane

was broken

and then

there was

48 kilos

found back

of armed uranium

the big problem

is that the plane

has broken it

in total 282 kilos

of uranium

and out of that

130 kilos

found back

but I just want to say

that there was not even half

found back

so what is important

to know is that

uranium

has a kind of protection

because it can't

come into contact with the outside

to create harmful substances

so

the protection layer

has a melting point of

1453 degrees Celsius

that is far above the temperature

of an intense kerosene fire

as with a plane

the melting point

of armed uranium

is slightly lower

and that is

132 degrees Celsius

and that is still higher

than the maximum temperature

so there is no doubt

that

from the plane

uranium

is harmful to the uranium

and that is why people

have become sick

now

there is a big medical research

that they will conduct

in 1994

I have a question

about uranium

I understand that a kerosene fire

will not burn uranium

but where is it?

one, where is it? and two, we are

crashed, that means that it broke the impact

we know that there was a fire in two

I understand their concept

about kerosene fire

but that's not true

I know that our

expert who said

what the cause is

that in an article

he said, yes, with an armed uranium

there was a fire in the office

oh my god, and that is why

I will stay away from science

now, there is a big medical research

that has been done

but

in the end

it is not decided to go further

because they say

with the maximum temperature of the armed uranium

that makes no sense

but in 1997

there appears in the newspaper

reports of the American government

that say

when it comes to much lower temperatures

from each other

can it fall much earlier from each other

than where we went from now

so

they actually want to do an inventory

to the health complaints

but it also goes from the start

and then I think

show some respect for the people

we will come back to that later

respect for the people

I have a look

what else do I have

no, because

we will start the research

in the end

it is decided to start

a parliamentary investigation

this is like a parliamentary research

committee in belgium

that came to the leadership of the Bende van Nijvel

and of Dutro

they are our big

so

there is a hope

that the government

and the government

will start a research

and if they are hopeful

they will say

the answers may not come

via the air force and the first research

but the parliament

will not

to disappoint us

so in 1998

6 years after the ramp

they are calling the workgroup

B1

and they will have to do an inventory

what the contribution of the ramp is

they have been there

the workgroup is known

and then there is

another newspaper

the NRC

and they reveal

that there is

190 litres

or 240 kg

DMMP on board

and that is good for the production

all the chemical students

and now for the rest

because that is good for the production

we have 70 kg of saarin

saarin, our favourite gas

it is not the CNU gas

saarin

the basic element

one of the basic elements

to make saarin gas

now on the freight documents

to come back

that the Dutch authorities had created

a part of the charge

to write as fire-resistant fluid

really

is it whiskey

that is fire-resistant?

or is it saarin gas?

now LL would then serve the day

so after that contribution

that there is indeed a chemical substance

that is used for the production

of CNU gas

but the Israeli government

has declared that this substance is not poisonous

and that the 190 litres DMMP

meant for testing

filters against chemical weapons

it was for peace

it was for peace

now on that

with that explanation

we are going to do our best

and we are going to hold a parliamentary survey

to answer all those open questions

and in 1998

in October

they are starting

and they have to meet some preparations

and on 27 January

in 1999

and in total

90 witnesses are heard

and we are going to

share a lot of conclusions

on that

what do you have under your feet?

I will start with

to answer

yes

what is said about that

that effective

different police people

had also declared

that they have a sixth number

speaking English

directly after the bell ramp

on the ramp

they had paces

and they served as secret Israeli

agents

and they asked for access to the ramp

police officers

I don't know if you know

but here is a ramp

let's do the order

what they have to do

and then they would have tried

to get in

it is unclear

whether the man is effective

with our

cockpit voice recorder

cockpit voice recorder

yes exactly

we can encourage them

but it is certain that

men with white clothes

who are not from the Dutch order

were on the

on the ramp

the word ramp is difficult for me

in the end

the ministry of foreign affairs

knows that the Israeli security service

in the time of the ramp

had 60 secret agents in the Netherlands

so 60 people who had the chance

to be on the ramp

and they were also

the security of the LL

the security of what

why? why do you have to be on the plane

and after the ramp

it would have been a number to 80

oh yes look

your activity is only in a secret

protocol and that protocol

is still secret

to get it

yes great news

but they also conculate

that it is

indeed very possible

that there is evidence

then I want to

talk about the charging

especially

where dangerous substances

are not working

and

it is a complex

matter

in the second week

the parliamentarian

made it known

that there is evidence

that the air traffic

from the beginning

had already known

that the charging of the plane

took away poisonous substances

but that the air traffic

on the LL search

had disappeared

political disarmament

there are different top officials

from the moment that it was known

that it was already known in the beginning

that there was poisonous substances

there would

have been a type where

there was a conversation

where it was heard that

between the parliamentarian and the LL

minutes after the crash

it was warned

about the charging of the plane

and then a second conversation

another half hour later

it was actually intended

to be known

but later it turned out that the evidence

was not right

so you thought ok but what was there

but with warning

that is really the best smoke

that you can use

because they would have based themselves

on a wrong request letter

so from a good

request letter

it would seem

that there were no poisonous substances

on board

there were also a lot of documents

so there was no conclusion

about what was

effective in the flight

but

there were still 20 tons

of waste

20 tons of waste

what the hell was that waste

and in the end

they came in to force copies

it was so difficult

and in that they said

it is mainly about computer parts

and electronics

which is still super vague

this is a bit

this is for me

like the theory of the mole

follow the money

we know that LL is one of the big clients

of Schiphol

there are always people who have worked with us

to have a small smoke here

don't lie but just deny things

and keep it behind

make sure mystery

and also we are talking about a ramp

there can be an effective charge

on fire

but it can't be that you don't know

what the exact charge of the plane is

that's just a big bullshit

nothing else is being said

no

so I will go further with Uranium

also there

a lot of confusion

look we are trying to answer

the questions you have

but we also don't

but Boe and KLM have

worked together

and calculated

in a Boeing 747-200

Boe is the maker

of the aircraft

and KLM is a aviation company

who orders aircraft

like LL does

normally there are 282 kg

of poor Uranium

in the aircraft

which is usually at the start

to maintain that weight

there was 130 kg

in the first day after the ramp

at the top

of the ground in 1993

so in a year there will be

a piece of 3 kg

in 1994

in Hangar 8

there was still some

130 kg

which means

132 kg

that's not grave

we know that

we found it back

somewhere

or we found it

or that the Parliamentary

investigation commission

also suspect

that based on the scientific explanations

that a part of the

missing 150 kg

could be oxidized

so burned

and then in the air

and that a part of it is spread

the commission

does it as a conclusion

that Uranium

did not take care

of high concentrations

of Uranium

in the ground

in the neighborhood of Belmer

so that the health complaints

could not lie

to the poor Uranium

to go further

to the health complaints

they notice that there are

harmful substances

and that there are

harmful substances

but the commission does not

assume that individuals

would be healthy

depending on the situation

where they found themselves

at that moment

what you are saying

is that the large group of residents

and the Helps Verleners

did not take care of Uranium

and they actually want to

emphasize that

it is not possible

to specify the number of individuals

so much

so maybe

some of Uranium

so that they would have

a disease

but that is unimaginable

because it is about

collateral damage

and because it is about one individual

and not about a large group of people

I have a testimony of a household

it is actually a testimony

of after the parliamentary

it is an investigation

I wanted to say the research commission

you have to say the parliamentary

investigation commission

I can not believe it

I will say the research

but I will say the investigation

and he was a housekeeper

his name is Nizaer McDoombax

and he has the feeling

that his residents

and his patients have not taken care of

in this investigation

he says there was a question

how many people did not leave their complaints

if

we, as a housekeeper,

had asked

we could give much more clear symptoms

that maybe could be recorded

in that question list

and he says look

I am a housekeeper

there is a relationship between the health complaints

of patients in front of the ramp

and after the ramp

above that, things that I hold

that have not yet been recorded

the ramp was 5 to 6 times

so high in the region

where I worked normally

all of a sudden

I came across very rare genetic defects

against young children

I have never experienced that

and a lot of young people with cancer

are not examined at all

that are not health complaints

that are diseases that you will have to deal with later

but I am convinced that the ramp

has something to do with it

now about the death toll

of missing and dead victims

so the Parliamentary Inquiry Commission

concludes that

that it found

a number of bodies

that actually came across with the number of victims

and that there are no reasons

to think that the death toll

would be higher than the official death toll

of 43

but people continue to doubt that

because it seems that there are still

body parts found

that are not connected to missing

so

people always have 5 legs and 3 arms

exactly

and what they also think

some bodies may be completely burned

where we don't have any more

remains

there is also someone

who says that 10 to 20% of victims

were completely surprised

by what happened there

and what does that mean

there are firemen

who actually told

that they have seen sleeping rooms

where everything on the ground

was damaged except

a metal frame where they knew

that the people were at home

so

according to many people

there is also

because there are a lot of people without papers

sorry but that number

can't be just

a plane in a flood building

and at the end there are 43

people of your list that you have to have

and just that are the 43 bodies

that you found, I don't believe that

I don't believe that

sorry

now, on April 22,

1989

for the word which I have to add

but this is a parallel

with the current investigation

they have presented an end report

that the title gets a load flight

so many layers

a load

flight

everything is in

everything

I think there are three links

I think

I want to say one thing

they have done more than

to describe an end conclusion

because these are the most vague end conclusions

of an investigation that I have ever read in my life

okay

okay

so they said

there has been little information

information

the second room is

regularly wrong

there was also

a break in information

from officials and responsible

a break in coordination

and responsibilities

were removed

also the mountain of the plane

is not well done

and the investigation of the

air force does not

replace

end

and I have a few things

yes, do it

I hope there is a story

no, totally not

a criminal investigation

to the cockpit voice recorder

had to and can replace

in the first months after the ramp

yes too late

I am here

but I had to learn this

too late

he had

to be indicated

of the disappearance of the missing element

so the cockpit voice recorder

too late

the ramp competition is important

and identification of victims was

relatively adequate

so now they come back on a step

I had to run away

also the investigation of the research

and the men in the white suit

was unnecessarily carried out

and this is

the problem of the armed uranium

was underestimated and unnecessarily recognized

so

they realize that

I always stay with you on my hunger

do you understand, this is

for me, this is read as a bust on the whole line

I still have the tension

of the government to get all the fraud documents

but not adequate

indeed and the commission concluded

that the loading papers of the flight were complete

and that there was no proof that there were women

but still the fraud documents were

but

everything is still not enough work

if

someone would do this in private

then you will be fired

I have one more

they also have

that they should have had more respect

for the victims and for the medical research

and more

and that also has to do with

the people who live here

it was quick through the corner but it is

that was the white Amsterdamer

the modern man

had lived

then it was all covered up

but now it was

as if it would be the same

if there was a plane on Molenbeek

would crash

luckily there were no comments

about it

yes, indeed

I always ask

and I think

that will not be about fraud

but if someone would

do this at work

I was really waiting

and then that minister gave up

but that did not happen

I think it is a pity

also the survivors

said that the commission would bring more

and that they could get the same from the politicians

but in that they became a bit

sad

this is still a fun fact

most of the research

is still secret

until when

is it around 2060 or so

2060

yes, just a moment

but there is also a lot of

criticism coming

on the

Parliamentary Enquiry

there is also another journalist

Pierre Heibourg

who actually followed the Parliamentary Enquiry

very critically

he was also aware

of the research commission

and then you also reach

the place where he was

that is not true

so he is convinced

that the Enquiry commission

did not find the truth

and that it was

really a military plane

so yes, there is

still a lot of criticism

and I have read that

the Parliamentary Enquiry commission

has criticism on criticism

great

Pierre, that is still interesting

he is in

1868 in Amsterdam

to work for the Parliamentary Enquiry

and he is then going to live in the Beilmerwijk

so he also has an effective bond

with the place

I do not know if that is the reason

why he

was so involved

after in 2002 a book was written

with the title Doemvlucht

now is of course the question

what is the aftermath

should we do the first theory?

I just ask

what you think is happening

or what is it

I will say what I think

so that I can sleep at night

so that you can say that

I think

that in the podcast of Ramvlucht

tell

is that he

states that

that it was often old

so that there were

technical defects

but that they really

used until the end

to fly with

I think

that that plane

crashed by accident

I think that there was no purpose

was aware of the attack on the plane

I believe

what Pierre says, I believe

that a plane was with a special load

with a specific goal

and I think there is concern

and that it was very fast

that the attack

or the people here in Schiphol

were placed in front of

the flight number

because it has a special load

and that they were aware of

which flights were important

or military flights were

and that it was so fast

I think that it was really on that plane

that it could not come out

I am very convinced that

I will not say 100%

that there was something

with the plane

because why would there be

people around there

who do not hear it

at the moment that there is a plane

but I also believe that

there is nothing wrong

that it would go to an attack

but

all day long

with those freight documents

and there will not be any answers

and normally you know

yes, they have done this or that

and they say

in the first instance that it was Parfum and Bloemen

but

there are too many strange things

to really say

yes, it was only Bloemen and Parfum

I think it is amazing

that

I am probably very naive

because this will probably still happen

but that there is such a word

when it is human

when it is humanly lethal

when it has a consequence

I really hope today

that something like this could not happen

that when it comes to your plane

with a secret load

that there is more clarity

because a lot of people are

43 people died

but I think that the scope of this is much bigger

sorry, there is a little baby

who will say that

no baby by the way

she is not

she hears us about conspiracy theories

and she is not there

I just wanted to say

that I hope that this day

could not happen

but I am probably doubtful

for me

there is a special relationship

between Schiphol and Tel Aviv

Israel is such a special state

in the negative sense

of the word

but there will not be this

conclusion

so you know

there is such a low

luxury

and to see

what is coming from

the parliamentary investigation commission

you think

how can this be

and claim that they found things

and then they have to return to what they said

because it does not seem to be right

and that is what you will see later

there will be a wave created

and so no one knows

what is going on

I think it is good that they influence

because let us be honest

this is all being sent from LA

from Israel

I believe

that

the investigators

and I suspect

a part of the airport people

who do not belong to LA

they will have the best intentions

in the investigation

that Israel

can

go through the parliamentary investigation

with the tentacles

tentacles

and that power

I find it very scary

I find it very scary

that you can have such a deep influence

I think it is too bad

that it is so strange about the charge

to just be a charge

but no, it was a military charge

we know what conflict it was

that they found

and we know that there is a conflict

Israel is already in conflict

yes

that's it

the next one

what I have found

is that after that ramp

there will be a fence

with the residents

of Groeneveen

or we will break it

or we will rebuild it

and they chose to rebuild it

but a lot of residents

of that specific flat

have left

they had to

find another house

a part of them is back later

but there are

161 apartments

but 320 flat apartments

of Groeneveen are saved

but small Kreutberg is

completely broken

and I do not know

when this is

broken

and it has become part

of the park that they already had

I would not want to live anymore

at that point

and then we started

the construction

of this episode

we told

they are going further

so we split it up

and we told Betty

look, a week after the ramp

they could not hear

they did not dare to be alone

when I went to the toilet

I had to take her with me

Betty goes to the house

and she says

she is in shock

I can imagine

after that ramp

a plane in the air

that you are really in your belly

I mean, you just made this

she herself says

I went to my apartment

to get some personal stuff

and after that

everything was damaged by the rock

she stayed at a clinic for two months

then she got a new apartment

where she still lives

on the day of today

she says sometimes I still come

to meet people

but we always talk about other things

I have no intention

to get bad memories

let's cheer up

I still have a question

about Ayvi Davelaar

and Korsan

who went to the cinema with his girlfriend

and she says

look, I woke up

the next morning

and Korsan was still

not back at that moment

she says

I went to work

but there I started to call

with the question

whether anyone knew where Korsan was

he worked at a car shop

but he was not there to support

the water, this is nothing for him

and she just goes to the bathroom

during lunch breaks

she goes to find her son

and she meets a friend

Korsan and Morena

and they said

before they went to the cinema

they went to the dinner

to get milk for their baby

but

they never went back to the dinner

and that the baby

was still there

and

that's why Ayvi immediately

went to the crisis center

to give Korsan and Morena up

but there

they got a very strange reaction

maybe they just ran away

after a fucking ramp

totally wrong

five days after the ramp

they got the confirmation

where they were already afraid

Korsan's body was identified

now what was

he and Morena

were driving at that moment

with the bomb

at the moment the plane

crashed they were driving

under one of the flat buildings

so when they were one minute later

or earlier

there was nothing on their hands

and they still lived

they have never seen their body

the only thing they get back

is their dirty clothes

a golden ring they gave them

broken

and Ayvi says

those first years

I couldn't talk about that

I was only a robot

it was like everyone else

but in the end

with the community

of the Beilmer

there is a memorial monument

and there they often go

to think about Arizona

I want to finish with Henk

because he has a positive story

to make about the ramp

he is the man with his super 8 camera

something he did in his free time

but that man saw the worst of the situation

he jumped on his bike

to the NOS

and said I have pictures as a picture

and he later saw those pictures

about the whole world

for the CNN BBC

because he had those pictures

to the ramp

but Henk was also the chairman

and he really threw himself

at the collective

attitude towards the ramp

he opened the public space

so people could talk about

what was going on

he went fishing in the neighborhood

with text ramp tourism

he collected supplies for the survivors

at companies, at citizens

and he says if I can think back

to the Gulf of Medeleven

that came here in our country

after the ramp I got emotional again

about the ramp

and just before the ramp

there was a no go area

there was literally one positive

ramp and after the ramp

our work got even more

involved

even television programs

and he says

until the end

I respect

my role

and what I do as a chairman

I can help people

and I got an insight into how politics works

in Den Haag and in the Belmer

the ramp gave me a lot of life wisdom

I just fear that

that is not positive

but yeah

he has become smarter

yeah

it was a tough episode

a very confusing episode

but for me

an eye-opener

out of the plane

a human life

is really not so valuable

for big organizations

for world powers

for nations

so make the best of it

but there is no one

who thinks

if something happens

we live in the best

and we will be helped

and if I prepare

these things

then I think

that is a positive note

I have one last thing

something very special

is a tree

next to it

there is a big tree

next to it

and it has no branches

and it is very spontaneous

it is a kind of thinking monument

and people gathered around it

and now there is a monument

around the tree

built with banks

with the names of the victims

who saw everything

because the tree saw the ramp

and they might be able to bring more wisdom

than they could speak

so with that magical realism

it is an episode

thank you for listening

I am super happy that you chose a ramp

but I

we are going to get a plane ramp

I might choose a boat ramp

what?

a boat ramp

but I thought it was a boat ramp

what a challenge

a murder with a boat ramp

who knows

there has always been a mission

I google it tomorrow

maybe it is a spoiler

who knows

bye

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