AI Hustle: News on Open AI, ChatGPT, Midjourney, NVIDIA, Anthropic, Open Source LLMs: Adobe Rewards Artists for Firefly AI Training Content
Jaeden Schafer & Jamie McCauley 10/9/23 - Episode Page - 11m - PDF Transcript
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So Adobe's Firefly generative AI models have now transitioned from beta to a general release
available across Adobe's Creative Cloud, Adobe Express and Adobe Experience Cloud Platform.
So this groundbreaking move has really kind of made the technology more widely accessible
than ever.
And I think this is making a significant step in Adobe's quest for AI-powered creative
solutions.
So of course the road to Firefly's commercial launch wasn't without its challenges.
The company faced a whole bunch of questions around its compensation model for Adobe stock
contributors, especially those whose content contributed to Firefly's training data.
I think some of the tension kind of just revolves around the possibility of these photographers
and kind of illustrators losing business as users turn to Firefly for generating unique
images rather than just purchasing existing stock content.
In my opinion, I don't know what they expect because the alternative is people are just
going to go to like mid-journey and everything else that's out there right now and just get
it without them getting any compensation.
So in my opinion, if they're getting compensated, they should be happy.
Maybe in the future it can be kind of like Spotify where artists complain and got the
regulators or other people to kind of push up the price that they get paid per stream.
But as it stands, since the default would appear to be no one getting compensated, I
would take what you can get and then try to push the needle in the future.
That would be my strategy if I was a creator kind of complaining about this.
But of course, you know, people just want, maybe they just want their cake and they want
to be able to eat it as well.
So in any case, I think, you know, kind of addressing this concern, Adobe has announced
an annual bonus for eligible Adobe stock contributors, which is covering both standard and premium
stock collections.
So this bonus aims to recognize the value these contributors bring to Firefly's ecosystem.
Specifically, the initial bonus is going to go from, I believe, this like June of last
year to June of this year.
So essentially, that's kind of matching the data set Adobe used to train Firefly, aka
they used all of those things to train Firefly.
So they're going to say, like, hey, anyone that had content on the platform, during between
those two dates, we'll look at what the content was and we'll pay you for it.
I'm really curious like what they actually will, what the payout would be for that.
But in any case, determining these bonuses definitely is not straightforward, given the
difficulty in tracking how often, you know, a specific image contributes to a newly generated
Firefly image.
So Alexandru Kostin, who's Adobe's VP for generative AI and Sensei, provided a little
bit of insight into the company's approach here.
This is like actually so, so interesting.
But this is what he said, quote, the formula we have is a mix of the total number of assets
they have in the training data set, and the number of assets licensed.
So basically the popularity of the commercial success of their assets, which we take as
a proxy of the value of their assets through the lens of the marketplace.
Okay, for those of that weren't following, I think essentially what he's saying is they're
looking at like all of your assets that you have, all the pictures that you've taken,
how many times those pictures have been paid for just by users that are like, hey, this
is cool, pay for it.
And essentially, they're not like assigning a value to everything and every time it goes
through an AI model and trains something and gets spit out on the other end, the track
all the tokens and payments and then pay you.
It's not like that.
It's, I guess, too complicated.
It's not like streaming royalties on Spotify.
What they're actually doing is just saying you were like, you know, you sold a hundred
a month of this picture before.
So we're assuming you have like a popularity score of a hundred on this picture.
Now this, we're assuming that it's going to be when people are generating images with
AI, like that is your popularity score on the image and it's going to be the same for
images generated.
I know it's not scientific and so it's probably not exact.
It's probably fairly close.
So like big kudos to Adobe for kind of figuring out what I would call a quick and dirty like
approach to like they want to pay people.
They know this is controversial, but they also don't want to be slow on the technology.
They're not going to rewrite like the way these things, these whole models are rolling.
So in my opinion, I think that that's an acceptable response.
That is kind of cool, very interesting.
So Adobe kind of remains coy about disclosing any figures tied to these bonuses, right?
So they're going to pay bonuses, but no one knows how much it is.
And they're mentioning that these are largely dependent on individual contributors and how
their content is being utilized.
So the company did promise to divulge more details about the overall size of the bonus
pool in the future, whenever that is.
So on the user side, Adobe has implemented a quote generative credits system to meet
firefly usage.
So each time a user opts to generate an image using firefly, it's going to consume one credit
and the company has also redesigned the firefly web app to prevent automatic generation of
images until a user finalizes their actual settings.
So they have a bunch of different plans with different amounts of these generative credits
ranging from 25 for free users with an Adobe ID to 3,000 credits for Creative Cloud Pro
plus all apps subscribers, which is equivalent to I believe, if this is correct, what we're
seeing here around like 3,000 images that you'd get a month that you could generate.
So really impressive.
In any case, I think it's noteworthy to say, right, like this isn't, they can't just like
say, okay, pay 25 bucks a month and get as many images as you want.
It costs a lot of money, people would exploit that and like abuse it.
So they really have to like just assign credits and you can buy credits.
This is how a lot of things in AI are happening.
Makes a lot of sense.
You saw the same thing with like Jasper, the AI writing tool.
Yeah.
So I think this is the way it's going to go.
I think platforms are going to have to do credits for generating stuff because everyone
uses this stuff differently, unless, you know, sometimes maybe they'll just like, you
say it's a flat fee and then they kind of are averaging.
Some people are spending more than it's worth.
Some people are spending less than it kind of averages out as a profit for the company.
You may see that as well.
But I think credits is going to be especially for big companies like Adobe, the way that
this all ends up rolling out.
So I think, you know, running out of these credits doesn't lock users out of Firefly.
Instead the service is simply going to operate at a slower speed.
So that's another thing, right?
Adobe has also confirmed that additional subscription packs are going to be available,
although specific pricing details are yet to actually be revealed.
But I mean, that's kind of cool, right?
Like it's kind of like a chat GPT, you only have so many uses of GPT-4 in an hour.
But if you use them all up, it's not like you get locked out of your account.
It's just like you get, you know, put on the slower or worse GPT-3.5.
So Kostin elaborated on the need for the system stating, quote, all of these models
are very large.
They run in the cloud and are expensive to run and we are optimizing them for quality
of output, not for inference speed.
Because of that, we need to protect the user base to make sure they have access to the
service and to ensure fair use of the services.
So Firefly so far has generated, I think, over two billion images.
That's really impressive.
And I think, you know, Kostin kind of underscores that because AI was primarily trained using
Adobe stock images, the generated content is commercially safe for business use.
Also that's massive, right?
Like they have the licenses.
So when you use this, like no one's going to sue you and say, hey, like, I don't know,
whatever.
Businesses were concerned that there's going to be lawsuits, like, because this was trained
on an artist's data and the artist is going to go sue the business for generating something
with AI based off of their stuff without getting permission.
This is all this permission.
All the permissions done, Adobe had the licenses.
So this is good to go for businesses, which I think is also a big move and another reason
why Adobe is going to see a lot of success here.
So Adobe has also taken the extra step of indemnifying its enterprise users against potential lawsuits
arising from the use of Firefly generated images.
They said, like, look, if we did something wrong in the copyright and you're getting sued
because of anything that you generate on our platform, we're going to pay for the lawsuit.
So like big kudos to Adobe again.
So Adobe's dual focus, rewarding content contributors and, you know, regulating user access, I think
signals a balanced approach to ethical and business considerations as it scales its generative
AI capabilities.
The broader launch of Firefly showcases the company's kind of ongoing commitment to innovation.
They don't want to be left behind pretty much, right?
Like we're seeing massive innovation from all the top tech companies.
Adobe doesn't want to be left behind.
And I honestly think they've done an absolute standup job of getting this thing put together,
doing it right, you know, paying creators, you know, like telling businesses they're
not going to be liable to any lawsuits.
Like they really, like no one else is able to do what they've just done here.
And maybe it's because they have the deepest pockets, so it's left to be said if they're
going to completely sweep the floor when it comes to the enterprise use case, right?
And take some market share from Mid Journey, who seems to be the market leader right now.
But very, very well done.
Big kudos to Adobe.
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