The Daily: A Marriage, a Secret and a Crackdown in China

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So, Vivian, tell me how you came to this story.

So earlier this year, I came across a screenshot of a WeChat message from a woman in China.

And she said, I need help.

I think my husband is a blogger called Program Think.

I'm going to speak out on behalf of him, but I need everyone to pay attention in case something

happens to me.

And what is Program Think?

So I had heard of this blog before.

It's a Chinese blog, but you had to get outside of China's censored internet, also known as

the Great Firewall, to access it.

And what made it special was that it really boldly talked about Chinese politics and the

Chinese government at a time when the government had increasingly cracked down on the internet

and free speech.

And nobody knew who this author was, which made it almost kind of mythical to its loyal

readers.

And then suddenly one day in 2021, the blog went silent.

And for two years, there were basically no clues until earlier this year when this woman

appeared and said she knew who the blogger was.

She was his wife.

And I was really intrigued, of course.

And so I reached out to her.

OK, so tell me about her.

Who is this woman?

So her name is Bei Zhenying.

She's 45, lives in Shanghai, and she had been married to her husband for nearly two decades.

And they had been living what she thought was a pretty typical middle-class life.

They owned their apartment in Shanghai in a leafy university district.

She liked traveling overseas.

He liked cycling pretty normal.

And then one day something happened that totally upended everything.

So when I talked to her, she described that day for me.

It was May 10th, 2021.

Started out totally normally.

She had ordered bottled water to be delivered to their apartment and around noon the doorbell

rings.

So she assumes the water delivery and she calls out for her husband to get it.

And all of a sudden she hears a scuffle and someone says, don't move.

So she runs over to the door and discovers that her husband has been taken away.

There's a man standing at the door and she's obviously super confused.

She looks at him and says, are you robbing us?

And they look at each other for a second and then he takes out a police ID.

And of course, she's reeling.

She has no idea what's going on.

And a bunch of police officers take away her phone and start searching the apartment.

And they're asking her questions.

They say, don't you know what your husband was doing?

They say, you know, your husband was writing this blog and he wrote articles that outlined

how to overthrow the government.

One officer says, your husband's crime is very severe.

It's one of the worst crimes under national security laws and he could go to prison for

years.

She says that she starts crying.

Her stomach doesn't feel well.

She thinks she's going to throw up.

And as she's trying to process all this, she's also realizing that maybe she knows very

little about this man that she's lived with for nearly 20 years.

And she starts asking herself, you know, who is this man and had he been keeping secrets

and had there been something happening right in front of her without her knowing?

In the weeks after the arrest, as she's trying to figure out these questions, she doesn't

have any information beyond what she was given the day that the police arrested her husband.

Nobody has told her anything else.

And that's because of the way the Chinese legal system operates.

So they had told her that this was a national security case.

And in China, national security cases are completely top secret.

The trials are conducted behind closed doors.

She's not allowed to see him while he's being held.

His own lawyers are not allowed to tell her about their communications with him or anything

about the case.

So she's completely in the dark.

Completely in the dark.

And all she has to go on is what she knows about her husband and her life with him.

So she starts going back over their entire 20 year relationship, looking for clues, parsing

through all the moments they spent together, looking for just anything that will tell her

what had been going on all these years.

So when Bei thinks back over their life together, where does she begin?

Well, she goes all the way back to when they first met in Shanghai in the fall of 1996.

Bei was a student at East China University of Science and Technology.

And she met a classmate named Ran Xiaohuan.

They were both chemical engineering majors.

And she says that he was sort of well known among their peers for two things.

One was his laugh.

She said he has this famously loud laugh that will fill the classroom and you could hear

it from all the way down the hall.

And the other was that he was just brilliant at computer science, even though he wasn't

a computer science major.

She says that even as a first year, he was so talented and other students would ask him

for help with assignments that they didn't understand.

And he was also a really generous teacher.

He would host tutoring sessions two nights a week.

And Bei ended up being one of the students who went to him for help.

And as they started spending more time together and started dating, she remembers being a

surprise that it wasn't just computer science that he knew a lot about.

He seemed to know a lot about everything.

He would talk about astronomy, geography, philosophy, history.

He read so many books.

And he was somebody who always seemed to be looking to learn more, this sort of seeker

of knowledge.

And she says that this hungry personality of

his was even in his name, Ren Xiaohuan.

It was a name given to him by his father, who was a literature professor.

And it basically means to know the universe.

So when it came time to graduate, actually, Ren had spent so much time on computer programming

that he hadn't finished all the credits he needed for his chemical engineering degree.

But he said, you know what?

That's fine.

I don't need that degree.

What I'm learning in school is already lagging behind, you know, the most cutting edge developments

in technology anyway.

And he figured he would learn more quickly outside of school on his own.

In retrospect, you know, this was probably the earliest sign that he was perhaps unusual

or at least didn't really care about what society expected of him.

But for her, that was fine.

That was what she liked about him.

She liked that he was independent, that he had his own sense of values that he stuck

to.

And so reaffirmed for her that he was really special.

And in October 2004, they get married.

And what was their married life like?

So they're both very independent people and very focused on their careers.

So Bae lands a job in marketing for a multinational firm.

She climbs the ladder.

She becomes a manager there.

And Ren was right about the diploma.

He didn't need it.

He worked his way up in major tech companies in China.

And he actually became so good at his job that he was tapped to oversee information

security for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Whoa.

Huge job, right?

Definitely.

This is a massive responsibility.

It's the moment of China stepping out onto the world stage.

But just a few years later, Ren suddenly decides to leave it all behind.

Bae says that he told her he felt stifled by the corporate world.

He'd always been motivated by learning new things, by discovering new things, innovation.

And he just didn't feel like he was getting that at work.

And so around 2012, he quits.

And according to Bae, he starts spending more time alone in his study, just day after day

hold up in there.

And what exactly does he tell Bae he's doing in there all day?

She thought he was just working on his own coding project, you know, the type of stuff

that he hadn't gotten to work on while he was still working a corporate job.

But when she did actually ask him, you know, what exactly he was doing in his study all

day, he didn't really give her any direct answers.

She said that sometimes she would knock on his door and say it's time for dinner or

something like that.

And he would actually get upset.

He would tell her, you know, programming requires a lot of focus.

If I'm interrupted, it's hard for me to get back on track.

You wouldn't understand.

And again, in retrospect, maybe that should have been a warning sign.

But at the time, she says, she just thought, OK, programming is complicated.

And so when that study door is closed, I'll just leave him alone.

God, it sounds lonely, actually.

Yeah.

And, you know, she did say that the more time that he spent in his study, the more withdrawn

that he became.

And she really felt like there was distance growing in their relationship.

And there would be disagreements.

So some of them were small.

For example, he would get upset if she bought him a new outfit.

He preferred to wear his clothes until they were full of holes.

Or if she threw something old away, he would actually take it out of the trash.

But other disagreements were more fundamental.

For example, she wanted children.

He refused.

I mean, he would say he didn't want to raise a child in China, given all of the problems

that the country had.

There are problems with the education system, with food safety, with health care.

And he would say, you know, why don't you care about these problems as much as I do?

How could you want to bring a child into this society?

And this became something that they would argue about a lot.

She says that he was always pushing her to read more.

He gave her this whole list of books that she had to read.

And he said, you know, once she read more, maybe then they'd be able to find common

ground and understand each other better.

And then maybe they could discuss having children.

Oh, that sounds hard for her.

Yeah, so of course it is frustrating and hurtful for her.

But for Bay, at the time, she thinks, OK, people do drift apart.

No marriage is perfect.

And so at the time, she told me she didn't really see this distance between them as a

warning sign or anything terribly unusual, until that day in May 2021, when the police

stormed into their apartment and took her husband away.

So Vivian, even though Bay is trying to work through all of this in her head, she doesn't

seem to have any more details about what exactly the government is accusing her husband

of doing.

Right?

Like those answers would have to come from the government, which at this point isn't saying

anything at all.

But does there come a point when the government starts to tell her more about the case?

So the only part of this whole process that Bay can participate in is the sentencing hearing,

which is when the court will announce whether or not her husband has been found guilty,

what they say he did, and what the punishment will be.

And so the only way that Bay can get the answers that she needs is to wait for that sentencing.

That's where she thinks she's finally going to be able to find out what he did.

And more importantly for her, you know, who he really was.

So what happens?

The day comes and?

Well, so first, the sentencing hearing doesn't happen until almost two years after he's

been arrested.

So it was February 2023 when Bay is finally notified that she can attend his sentencing

hearing.

And of course, you know, leading up to that day, she's feeling really anxious.

She describes making sure that she'll get to court early.

She puts on makeup.

And she says that she wore a really bright green down jacket because she had no idea

what the scene was going to be like inside the courtroom, but she wanted to make sure

that no matter what, he would be able to see her really easily.

She's about to see her husband for the first time since he was arrested nearly two years

ago.

So she walks into the courtroom and officers bring her husband, Ben Xiaohuan, in.

And she says that she sees him scanning the room, looking for her, and they lock eyes

for a moment.

But her reaction is just that he's barely recognizable.

She says that his hair has gone almost completely gray and he was really, really thin.

She remembers that, you know, the lawyers had at least told her that he was being fed

okay in prison, but now, you know, it just looks like he was wasting away.

And so sentencing begins and the judge begins to read out the verdict that she has been

waiting so long for.

And the verdict says that her husband was guilty of subversion of state power because he had

published a large number of, quote, subversive articles starting in 2009.

But as Bay is listening, she's realizing that it's not giving any details on what it

was that he supposedly wrote, why it was subversive, or even the name of this blog where he supposedly

published these articles.

So the government isn't really laying out a case in the way that Bay expected them to.

Exactly.

So all of the answers that she thought she was going to get on this day are not there.

And then she hears the sentence, which is seven years in prison.

I mean, she was just shocked, she said, by how long that sentence was, especially because

she still has no details about what it was that he supposedly did.

And then the sentencing is over and the bailiffs hold onto her husband's arms.

They escort him outside.

And she says that while he's being escorted out, her husband is turning around, craning

his neck, trying to look at her, just trying to have their eyes locked again.

And she says that she could see a cry for help in his eyes.

She says, you know, I realized in that moment, I just needed to save him.

I needed to do everything I could because no matter what he did, he

doesn't deserve to be treated like this.

Vivian, what's in her mind at the moment?

I mean, what does she think he had done?

I mean, subverting state power does communicate something, right?

He's run afoul politically somehow of the Chinese state.

Well, she really just doesn't know.

And clearly the state has taken it really seriously because they gave him such a heavy

sentence, but she's still totally in the dark.

And the other thing for her is, you know, starting to go over, well, why was there

so little information in this verdict?

It seems like the government isn't telling the whole story.

In fact, to her, it seems like the government is hiding something.

And so she realizes that if she wants to find out, you know, what exactly he did

and what's going on, if she wants these answers, she's going to have to find them on her own.

We'll be right back.

So Vivian, how does Bae go about answering these questions she now has burning in her head?

What does she do after the sentencing?

So of course, the most important thing for her to do is actually figure out what was

this blog that he wrote.

And the verdict did say that it was an overseas website.

So to find it, she knows that she has to go over China's Internet firewall.

And that's not something that she's ever really felt the need to do before, because as we said,

she was pretty happy with her quiet middle-class life.

She didn't really think about politics.

So for the first time, she learns how to install anti-censorship software.

And because she's worried that the government is monitoring her Internet at home, she actually

goes to an Internet cafe to do this.

And it takes her several hours to figure out how to get over the firewall.

But once she finally gets it, the first place she goes is Google.

And she doesn't have much to go on because she has so little information.

So at first, she's just plugging in different combinations of keywords.

And when she tries 2021 missing Shilian blogger, she stumbles upon a news article asking what

had happened to a blog called Program Think, and the article says this blog had exposed

the secrets of China's powerful insiders.

And so as she's reading this article, she's thinking, you know, wow, could this be my

husband?

Then she opens the blog.

And the first post from this blog dates back to January 2009.

The title is basically an introduction to this blog, and it lays out this sort of dorky

statement of purpose, saying it's going to be a place to share software engineering

tips, industry information, and the early posts are all very wonky, you know, just sort

of complaining about common coding mistakes, or recommending books on programming.

But within a few months, the blog starts to take on this sharper edge.

The blogger notes that China's censors have started blocking more websites, such as Twitter.

And the author says, this is terrible news, and it's time for me to write about something

other than technology.

And so soon, the blogger starts posting about all sorts of things, politics, history,

literature, just a really huge range of topics.

And as Bae is reading all of this, the first thing that strikes her immediately is the blogger's

tone, because in her telling, it was totally her husband's voice.

It was eager to learn, eager to teach, but also, you know, sort of swaggering, sort of

arrogant.

And she also notices that there's this ongoing list of book recommendations that the blogger

had kept updating.

And as she goes through this list, she sees that a lot of them are the same books that

her husband had recommended to her and insisted that she read.

So, you know, there's 1984 by George Orwell, there's Thinking Fast and Slow.

By Daniel Kahneman.

Yeah.

And there's another clue beyond just the voice or the overlap in the book recommendations.

Which is the timing of certain posts.

So, for example, the verdict had said that the problematic posts in the blog started in

2009, which is the same year that this blog per round thing had been founded.

And the very last post on this blog is May 9th, 2021, which is the day before Bae's

husband was arrested.

Wow.

And so she's putting all of these things together, the voice, the interests, the timing.

And she becomes absolutely convinced that Program Think is her husband.

But does all of this really feel like proof, the overlap in dates and a couple of book

recommendations?

Well, so it's important to note that it's basically impossible to 100% confirm if

Program Think really is her husband, Ren Xiaohuan.

She has not been able to speak to him and ask him about this herself.

But there are these things that line up, and at least for Bae, it's enough.

She spent 20 years with him, and she is certain that this blogger and her husband are

the same person.

Okay.

So Bae is absolutely certain she's found him.

How does she process all of this?

So I asked her this, and she said that her first reaction was actually jealousy.

Because remember, this blog had an intensely loyal following.

Some of these posts have hundreds of comments under them.

And the blogger actually took the time to respond to many of them.

And as she's looking at this, she's thinking, wow, my husband spent all of this time doing

all of this for his readers.

All of these years, it was these people who had his attention when his study door was

closed, and what did I get?

All I got was a reading list.

But beyond her emotional reaction, she also still just wants to understand what exactly

was he writing that the government thought was so dangerous.

And so over the next few weeks, she returns again and again to the blog to read it in

really close detail.

And she combs through all the posts that she thinks could potentially be the most

provocative or the most sensitive.

And it's true that a lot of them do take on information that is sensitive in China.

So for example, there are posts that explain the 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre.

There are posts that show how the Chinese government has manipulated historical photographs

to fit the narratives that it likes.

There's also a series of posts where he collects information that is not necessarily

where he collects information from foreign news reports about Chinese leaders' financial

relationships and maps them all out for his readers.

And this is really, really sensitive.

The Chinese government does not like anybody to be talking about family or financial

relationships among its leaders.

But Bae's argument, as she's taking in all of this information, is that there is a

difference between criticism and subversion.

And she says, you know, he never called for violence or riots.

In fact, he said that his motive was to improve the state, not to subvert it.

But isn't that a little bit naive on her part?

I mean, clearly, this is the kind of activity that would be banned by the Chinese government

and that people get in trouble for all the time.

Yes, you could definitely say that she's ignoring the realities of China's political climate.

But technically, at least on paper, she's not wrong.

There are no explicit laws in China saying, for example, that you can't talk about Tiananmen.

And so putting all of this together, reading all of this, she comes to the conclusion that

this blog does not cross a line.

And in fact, she actually starts to believe that not only had her husband not done anything

wrong, he had actually done something really important.

She told me he created something that allowed people to see the outside world, to think independently,

to have their own thoughts and opinions.

And as she's spending her time reading over this blog, seeing what she thinks her husband was

trying to teach other people, she actually starts to go on that journey a little bit herself, too.

And she says, you know, I'm realizing that there was a great man living next to me the whole time

and I just didn't see it.

And one thing she said that was really moving was that, you know, as she's reading the blog,

she's actually reminded of the Ran Xiaohuan, the person that she met in college, the person

that she fell in love with.

And she sees this person that she looked up to who was always seeking out information for himself,

charting his own path, and trying to pass that on to other people.

And she said, you know, I'm not the type of person to worship anyone,

but there was a little bit of that old college feeling.

And I guess in some ways, you know, her husband isn't there, but it feels like

she's in conversation with him because she's reading this blog and what she thinks are his

writings. And it's a conversation they never really had during their marriage.

Yeah, I think that's right. And she says that she regrets not having that conversation sooner.

Because for over 10 years, he had to hide a part of himself from me. There was no way for

him to be honest. And probably I wouldn't have understood the things that he said anyway.

But now I do. That's all in the past. And she says what matters is that now she's ready to

support him in any way that she can.

So Baye has this new information. And, you know, in some ways, new resolve. What does she do?

So if he's done nothing wrong, then in her mind, it means the government has wrongly convicted him.

His case has been wrongly decided. So her first action is to hire two prominent human rights

lawyers to help her appeal the case within the legal system. But she also realizes,

because she's not naive, that this can't be her only track. She's seen now that there can be

problems in the legal system, like the verdict that led her to this point in the first place.

And so she also decides to take a more dangerous path and do something the program thinks blogger

never did, which is to go public with their identities.

So in March of this year, she sends out a WeChat message asking for help, saying that she believes

her husband's program think and she wants to speak out on his behalf. That's the WeChat message I saw.

And she knows that it's risky to draw attention to both of them and to the blog.

But her calculation or her hope is that by drawing public attention to this case,

she'll create a kind of pressure on the Chinese government and show that her husband wasn't just

some nobody that they can grow in jail for seven years. He was somebody with the following, somebody

who can garner international attention. And the government has never denied that her husband is

program think. So they think that maybe this attention will create an incentive for the

government to treat him fairly during his appeal. And where does Bay's husband's case stand now?

So the appeal is still pending. The decision on that was actually supposed to come down

several months ago, but the court again kept postponing it indefinitely without giving a reason.

So Vivian, how does this story map on to the broader crackdown in China that's happening?

I mean, we know, of course, a lot of people have been put in jail for criticizing the government.

What numbers are we talking about here? I mean, Bay's husband is one of approximately how many?

Well, it's really hard to give a number on that, in part because

there are untold numbers of people who have had their accounts deleted or have been

silenced in some way for saying something critical, but they might not have gone to jail.

And if there are people who have been sentenced on national security charges,

we might not know about them because of how top secret these cases are,

especially if they don't have someone like Bay to speak out for them.

But what we do know is that blogs like Programthink that are written from within China and that

express these kinds of thoughts are extremely, extremely rare. Programthink was essentially

the last one standing. And where does all of this leave Bay? Where is she now? And how has

this whole experience changed her? Well, she describes it as an awakening.

She looks back on the period before all of this happened and says,

you know, her life was pretty comfortable. She accepted it for what it was. She didn't question it.

And now she says, you know, maybe I was so

comfortable and stuck in my way of thinking that I didn't know that I was stuck.

But now things are different. She's slowly understanding the society around her.

She took this risk that she never could have imagined before, speaking out and choosing to

jump the firewall. And after she did that, she stayed on the other side of it. She read more

outside news. And she told me, I used to think that news from inside China and outside China would

maybe use two different angles to report the same thing. I never thought that it'd be like two

entirely different worlds. Bay told me, I have a different understanding of reality now. And

there's no way I can turn back. And then in early June, Bay's Twitter account disappears.

And she stops responding to my texts. Oh no. One of her lawyers who I got in touch with

also said that he couldn't reach her. After several days, I got back in touch with him. And he said

that he could say that she was safe, but he couldn't comment further, which is usually a sign that

the government has silenced someone. And she hasn't spoken publicly since.

I looked back at one of the last texts that she had sent me before she went quiet.

And it was about her determination to keep speaking out for her husband.

She wrote, I feel very strong today. I'll keep working hard.

Vivian, thank you. Thank you.

We'll be right back.

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