The Tim Ferriss Show: #690: The Random Show, Rare Drinking Edition — Affordable Luxuries, Brain Stimulation, Sampling the Future (and Some Previews), Recharging with Creative Experiments, Tokenizing Humans with a Bonding Curve, Poetry for People Who Hate Poetry, and Much More

00:00:00 - 00:30:00

The hosts engage in casual banter and discuss their drinks, including a bottle of French wine called Domain Tampierre. They also mention the Omega Speedmaster watch and its collaboration with Swatch to create a durable ceramic watch with a chronograph and different planet designs. Kevin Rose is relaunching his podcast, which will cover topics such as entrepreneurship, tech, investing, health, and work-life balance. The podcast transcript discusses the host's experience collaborating with a group for a creative project and their transition to a more collaborative role as a creative director.

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00:30:00 - 01:00:00

The podcast discusses the process of training a general manager for the podcast and the importance of trust and volume of podcasts in expediting the training process. The hosts also talk about the decision-making process and the challenges of micromanaging. They mention a new brain stimulation protocol called accelerated TMS and its potential in treating conditions like OCD and anxiety disorders. The conversation also covers topics such as LinkedIn ads, creative endeavors, science fiction and fantasy books, brain stimulation devices for sleep, and a startup called friend.tech that allows users to buy and sell shares of themselves on a bonding curve.

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01:00:00 - 01:30:00

In this episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, the hosts cover a range of topics including owning shares in web three communities, the risks of sparring in combat sports, brain injuries in extreme sports, the potential benefits of psilocybin for Parkinson's patients, cold therapy, and the impact of poetry during significant life events. They also recommend books on haiku and Japanese death poems, as well as a book about a Japanese haiku master and another book on the biological and mythological history of coyotes.

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01:30:00 - 02:00:00

The podcast discusses the evolutionary adaptation of coyotes to increase their litter size when under threat. It also explores the historical perception of coyotes and the impact of their behavior. The hosts mention a book about coyotes that they found fascinating, particularly the first half. The conversation then shifts to a discussion about supplements, including collagen and its potential benefits for skin health and joint health.

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02:00:00 - 02:13:49

The podcast discusses transferring a phone number from Verizon to Google Fi and using Google Fi as a data plan while abroad. It also mentions the infrastructure and international coverage of Google Fi. Additionally, the podcast briefly touches on investing advice regarding bond funds and the potential growth of NVIDIA and AMD in the AI industry.

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Me, Tim, Paris, Seoul.

Kev Kev, nice to see you.

Tim Tim, pleasure.

Ladies and gentlemen, as you may have surmised,

every opportunity to use surmise, I will take,

this is another episode of the Tim Ferriss show

and it is also another episode of The Random Show

with my first ever podcast guest

and my perpetual friend, Bestie numero uno, Kevin Rose.

Worst show ever, but we did it.

You gotta start with the rough draft.

You gotta start with the rough draft.

You had on this list of questions,

you asked me what my favorite cereal was

or some shit like that.

I was like, Tim, you should not ask your guest that.

Yeah, you're like, oh, it's one of those shows.

And then I was like, oh my God,

I thought this was gonna be a layup with kid gloves,

but Kevin's busting my balls in episode one.

But it was good.

It worked out.

We got a little hammed in that one, but it was fun.

Got a little hammed.

Speaking of ham, what do you have over there?

We're having a drink.

Yeah, we're having a drink.

We're having a drink, cheers.

Yeah, cheers to you.

Let this be known to the audience and to the world

that this was the first time I didn't want to drink

and Tim pressured me into drinking.

I don't wanna see the other way around.

I'm freshy.

All right, just to replay the tape here.

I said, do you have a drink?

And you're like, no.

And I was like, but I have a drink.

You're the one who's always busting my balls

about having a drink.

And then like, well, he said it's three PM and I said,

but it's a Friday.

And you're like, you don't really need to say Friday.

You can just say drinks.

And then you walked off and got a drink.

So I wouldn't say.

I'm not sure of pressure.

Yeah.

It wasn't really twisting an arm was it?

It was more just like a slight change of wind.

It was like a fingertip to the lips kind of.

Yeah, exactly.

Say no more.

Say no more sleep.

Go get a beverage.

So we have a lot to talk about.

It seems like you got a big list.

I have a big list.

Yeah. What are you drinking by the way?

We didn't talk about that.

Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about it.

Well, what do you have?

I just have some shitty champagne.

Oh, okay.

This is, I'm gonna have to pronounce this

because I don't speak French.

Much like you might say, Versailles, Kentucky.

There is a Versailles, Kentucky.

This is French.

I don't speak French, but you got this.

It's a Bendol, B-A-N-D-O-L, Appalachian Bando Contrôlée, 2021.

Then there's Domain Tampierre at the top.

And then this.

Love that Domain Tampierre.

Domainy, Domainy Tampierre was recommended to me,

actually bought for me by a friend.

I'll call him Jay, not to dox him.

He's not Jay-Z, but a good friend of mine.

And it's fantastic.

It's really nice.

I put some ice in it just to be a heathen and to harken back

to the days of old when I was in Argentina,

where they drank a lot of wine with ice and I got into it.

And cheers, Kevin.

Cheers.

You know, actually, I've been doing ice in my wine as well.

Daria's been giving me shit about it, my wife.

And I said, you know what?

It's hydrating at the same time.

Get a little extra water in there.

And that was my rationale.

That said, I don't know if you looked up the price of that bottle,

but you might be doing it a severe disservice by adding cubes to it.

I don't know if it's an inexpensive bottle or because sometimes

that can be a big faux pas.

You know, I'm OK.

It's like a four hundred dollar bottle.

You're putting big cubes of ice.

My whole life is just a series of faux pas.

My.

Would that be a fowx, Pauce?

Pauce, Pauce.

Well, you know, OK, this is very unclear.

It says price twenty five dollars

and forty seven cents to six hundred and seventy two dollars.

So it's somewhere in that range.

I don't know.

It looks like fifty five dollars.

OK, I do think it may be somewhat challenging to get,

but it's not an over the top.

At the end of the day, if you're enjoying it with some ice,

like Godspeed, right?

You know, yeah, we could go on a whole lot.

Speaking of Godspeed.

Let's speak of Godspeed.

Can I start with my first thing to talk about?

Oh, I can't wait to see this segue.

Yes, please. OK, so.

We got a lot to talk about.

One of the things that I would say we are known for at the random show

is just random shit.

And it's like, OK, we don't see each other for three or four months.

What have we stumbled into that's stupid, that's fun, that's creative,

that's whatever, feeling the blank.

And it's all kinds of stuff.

One of the things that you're quite good at, Tim,

that I really enjoy as part of the random show that we do

is you're always talking about how can I get the most value and satisfaction

out of something that is low dollar value?

Meaning like how you typically phrase it or?

Yeah, like affordable luxuries.

Like how can you affordable luxuries?

Something like that, right? Right, right.

That sounds right.

So there is a the most I would argue outside of like a standard

Rolex Daydate, the most popular watch in the world

for watch nerds.

I think probably recognizable watch would be the Speedmaster,

which is the watch that was worn to the moon.

And it's an Omega Speedmaster.

The original caliber that went to the moon, I think was a 321 gets really geeky.

The very first Speedmaster that you can buy, like the first very release

is now worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for a representation of Speedmaster.

Modern day Speedmasters from Omega, you can still buy them.

They are, you know, let's call it, I had to check the price, but it was called

three and a half, four thousand dollars somewhere around there.

Maybe a touch more, I haven't looked in a while.

That said, they did a collaboration Omega did with swatch.

And at first glance, you think like a swatch, like there's no way.

Like, why would I want?

But the actual collaboration looks amazing.

Like it looks just like the Speedmaster.

It looks identical minus the band.

It's identical, right?

It's super, super similar.

It's got the chronograph.

It's made out of this ceramic that is super durable.

They just crushed it and they made them in a whole variety of different colors.

And they put a different planet at the bottom of each one.

So this one is Saturn right here, this brown version.

They're impossible to get and you have to buy them in the store.

You can get them on eBay, but if you go into the stores,

they actually have a limit to supply.

They kind of dole out each day.

What's the price range?

Or the cost of $250 or $290, something like that.

So definitely cheaper than $100,000 and cheaper than $5,000.

And you get the exact look of the Speedmaster.

And it's it's so it's such a fun watch.

It's a really iconic.

It's a super iconic watch.

Yeah. So if you're like always been Speedmaster curious

or want to have one of the most iconic looks in terms of watches.

No, I'm serious.

Well, that's why I went from Godspeed to here.

You can see the jump.

I see it.

It's it's it's just a cool watch.

And you've got to see a different color van.

So they call it the the moon swatch instead of the moon watch.

So it's the most watch from Speedmaster and swatch collaboration.

Yeah, just always trying to find something that is, you know, holidays are not

that far off if you have a watch lover or someone in your life

that you want to do a gift to great gifts as well.

So it's kind of fun.

And for folks who may not know also,

the swatch group is the world's largest watch company.

Employees about 36,000 people in 50 countries.

They own a whole line of different brands, including Omega.

Yes, that's why this happened there.

Yeah, exactly. So there you go.

And you have to imagine that people of Omega are pissed.

I just knowing so much about this industry, they might.

They might have been like, we decline your suggestion.

And then the para company was like, no, this isn't a suggestion.

Right. This is what we're doing.

Exactly. Like this is actually happening.

And I will say that, and you know this,

I don't generally wear any kind of jewelry or watches or anything.

Very, very little adornment.

But I was gifted as a very beautiful, thoughtful gift.

A Speedmaster by a friend of mine.

And it is a very it feels good to wear this watch.

And also, if you want to,

it's kind of like guys who have really good mustache or beard game.

Like they think the women are going to be into it.

And then they just constantly get compliments from guys.

That will also happen if you're wearing one of these things.

Well, 100 percent.

And the fact that you can get that swatch for those people who are not watching

the video, that collaboration, it looks just like the speedy pro.

I mean, it really does.

Well, one thing that is worth mentioning there on this watch

that for those that want to know kind of like the two second geeky backstory

is that Neil Armstrong not only wore this watch to the moon,

but used the chronograph feature to time the propulsion and jet

releases to land on the moon.

Talk about like he had to use a device like there was some computers to do this.

A mechanical device, a mechanical device on his wrist.

And so that's why this watch is like legit.

It's a real true utilitarian, like awesome tool.

So it's pretty awesome.

Yeah, you can imagine if there were some wrist bound computer

used for like the first human landing on another planet.

Yeah. And then that was made available in limited supply

for civilians to buy what that would hold in terms of meaning.

Did you hear about the sealed first iPhone went for over one hundred

thousand dollars at auction? No, I did not.

And that was just a few years ago.

That's wild.

I didn't say that.

Now, you mentioned one thing, though.

I'm curious about you said you can't find it on eBay.

How does a company pull that off?

I'm sorry, you can find it on eBay.

Oh, you can. Yeah, that is the place you have to either go in store

like an actual swatch store or on eBay.

There's only two. I got it.

You can get it used or if you want it new, you have to go to the store.

Right. Like you can't go to swatch.com and buy it directly from the site.

They won't ship it to you.

What else you got?

I got a lot.

Yeah, yeah. Bring another one on.

And then I'll I'll choose an appropriate transition from one of them.

I'll bring a quickie.

And then I've got some really hard hitters after that.

The quickie is that I'm relaunching my quickies.

I just want you to keep saying it and you look quickies.

I'm relaunching my podcast.

I'm actually doing it and getting back in the game.

Which podcast are we talking about?

So I had the Kevin Rose show from back in the day.

I shut it down for maybe it's been about a year and a half, two years ago.

And I've missed it.

I missed a lot of kind of what I was doing there.

But also I want to kind of modify it in a few different ways.

Now, this is separate from unless I'm already I've had a third of a glass of wine.

So maybe I'm just hallucinating already.

But foundation, the foundation and Kevin Rose show kind of merged into one.

So it's still one feed because the foundation was all about interviewing

entrepreneurs, talking about their entrepreneurial kind of journey,

trials, tribulations, things of that nature.

Yeah. Speaking of other planets, you did have Elon on at one point.

Yes. Back in the day.

Yeah. So that's actually what kind of one I want to get back to where

when I think about some of the value that I was able to add to my listeners,

it was around in something that I think I've personally been good at

is identifying trends early on and talk about them before anyone else.

Yeah. You are just to underscore that you are undeniably one of the best

in the world I've ever seen at that.

I appreciate that.

It's true. I've come over and over and over and over and over again.

Yeah. It's funny. Incredible.

Someone has a clip of me mentioning

Ethereum for the first time on your show. Have you seen that?

Yeah. We did a random show.

It was like 1985.

It was way back in my apartment in San Francisco.

Totally. Yeah.

So getting back to that, like just really wanting to highlight

and expose people to that early beta beta.

I think of like early software, right?

And so the tentative working title is called beta,

but it's going to be like showing off things as early as possible

that have potentially a lot of upside for the user.

So in advancements in AI, you know, when I had Elon on the show back in the day,

Tesla stock was $1.90.

I looked up the price of when he actually came on the show, which is crazy.

So, you know, it's going to be a variety of shows going to cover tech, investing,

you know, health.

And then I think also important to throw in there is this kind of mental

work-life balance that is so important to me these days where yes,

investing is great. Yes, making money is great,

but it's not going to bring you happiness unless you can figure out the shit in your head.

So just making sure that's a component to it as well.

So anyway, don't have anything to announce,

but I would tell people if by the time this show comes out,

if you just go to KevinRose.com, you'll see a link to the podcast there.

Have fun. And I'm going to fire it back up.

Do you have any teasers for likely or possible guests?

Could be names, could be just profiles.

I'm going to go, it's a great question.

I had sent Elon an email a while ago and he said he had a lot of fun

on my first show and was game to do it again.

That was a while ago, but I got to go and hit him back up.

I would definitely want to have Elon back on. That's going to be a good one.

But I would say, you know, it's going to there's three or four,

but nobody is confirmed.

I really want to kick it off with a good banger to begin.

So TBD. TBD.

Well, let me tell you about something exciting on my side,

which is really just celebration at this point of enthusiasm for me.

It's not a launch or anything like that at this point,

but you don't know about this.

Nobody knows about this really, which is I recently last week did a,

I guess it was a four day creative sprint

in the middle of nowhere at this rustic retreat

with two writers and three concept artists

who are some of the best in the world, who have done some of the best known

work for D&D, for Magic the Gathering and be worked on cockpunch stuff.

Believe it or not, we actually spent that entire time

coming up with scenarios, characters, adventures, concept sketches, artwork.

I don't want to spoil the surprise.

We made some significant tweaks to the nature of that realm

that I think are very, very, very compelling and got tons and tons of artwork.

And it's spectacular.

Some of the work is just outrageously, outrageously good.

What these guys can do in a handful of hours, it boggles my mind.

It is just beyond my comprehension.

It's really as if from the writing perspective,

if someone sat down and like in three hours, they just banged out 3,000 perfect words.

What? How is that humanly possible?

Like I saw that with these artists, they were so well oiled, so professional

and also had very different styles, which was super fun.

So I could watch them also feeding off one another,

even though they were working on different aspects, different greater houses and so on.

And for me, part of the celebration is

realizing that even though it was my first go around, my first rodeo

and I didn't quite know what I was doing, of course,

it was an experiment in collaboration because I've been such a solo act.

I've been such a soloist when it comes to large creative projects,

having an opportunity to work with, say, not just one 3D artist, which I did,

Walter for, say, the initial three dimensional 3D blender character designs.

But to work with an entire group and to see if I can actually

interact or co-manage that process in some way was very reassuring.

I think I can do it.

I think I think that even if I'm not putting pen to paper

or stylus to the tablet in some fashion, I think the past that I have

and the experience that I have with

line art and more recently with painting and so on

really helps me to give better feedback to artists and to notice details.

And I'm very excited about it.

So, I mean, there's a few things I want to come on in on here.

One, it's awesome to see and it's so apparent to me now that

you launch this as a NFT projects and if these are having a bad time right now.

Yes, it's definitely one way to put it.

It's a bloody market out there.

All the proceeds went to nonprofit.

Royalties are dead.

So the idea that you're making any further money on this via NFTs is not the case.

Basically zero.

Yep.

And so you're doing this for the love of the game, which I love to see, which is awesome.

And the second and more important thing, having known you for a long, long time

is I've never seen you.

I've seen you struggle with giving up a little bit of creative control, right?

Like delegation.

I'll give you some old temporary stories.

Every time Tim would write a new book.

I'd be like, Tim, let me get a little early copy.

Let me get a little chapter.

Let me see what you're working on.

What are you, what hacks are you doing?

What, you wouldn't share that shit with anybody.

You're like so secretive.

You like, how do I encrypt my hard drive?

Like you would like try and lock down all your shit.

But to see you move into this world of more of creative director is awesome.

Is that been a challenge for you?

Am I am I articulating that correctly?

You are.

Yeah, you're definitely articulating it correctly.

I mean, I think as we were talking about before we started recording,

like we both have maybe daddy trust issues or whatever that we've needed

to work through on a lot of fronts.

And it's definitely the case that that's true.

I will say that there are a few decisions that were super key in facilitating,

sort of lubricating, if you will, the possibility of me being a acting

in a more creative director role.

The first was and it's easy to miss the importance of this with the absurdity

of the name of the project, cockpunch, the legend of cockpunch.

People should check out the trailer at the very least.

Oh, my God, the best episode on it's so good.

Some amazing voice actors involved and the key there by using that name.

And this was very deliberate.

And by pursuing it the way I pursued it and also giving the funds

to the size a foundation, my foundation, S-A-I-S-E-I foundation.org

for people who want to see the projects I'm involved with.

What that did is it basically made fixating on money kind of silly

in the sense that it doesn't go to my pocket.

It's going to the foundation, which is important, but it's not going

to directly improve the quality of my life in any way.

Secondly, the fact that it was given such an absurd slash hilarious title

allowed me not to take it too seriously or be too precious or protective of it.

And that is what opened the door to this collaboration.

My hope is that by testing this with something like cockpunch that I will then

be able to translate it to things that I might be inclined to be more

protective with. And there have been so many benefits to this.

And I'll name a few or I'll at least lead with one, which is the energy

that this has generated has been unbelievable.

It's been like a power plant for everything else that I'm doing.

So it's charging my batteries so effectively that I've been able to engage

much more potently with everything else.

And this is creative energy kind of is from the creativity of it all.

Creative energy, creative energy.

So for instance, I mean, the sort of admin paper cutty

stuff that is so easy to succumb to as a sort of death by a thousand paper cuts.

Like, look, you need to do your taxes.

There are things you need to do that you don't really want to do that

deplete, at least in my case, kind of deplete my batteries.

And if you don't have something on the other side of the leisure to recharge

those batteries, you can end up being really fatigued.

You just don't have extra calories to allocate to a lot of things.

And this silly project, which has achieved a lot of serious things, right?

I mean, like millions of dollars have gone to the foundation or at least two million

bucks and there's more that's going to go because I'm going to be soon.

I'll be donating all the secondary royalty revenue also to the foundation.

I mean, it's done a lot of good in terms of supporting early stage

science at all sorts of top universities and journalism fellowships

at UC Berkeley and so on.

But check this out.

This will be another connection.

And that is I literally and we'll see if I can keep this in or not.

But I need to talk to the other thing that's good.

Yeah, I just signed my first ever writing

collaboration agreement to work on my first book in six years with another person.

I've never done that before in my life.

And like, that's my baby.

Is this fiction? Is this going to be this is nonfiction?

It'll be the old school Tim Ferris in a sense,

because it'll be what I'm probably best at and most known for.

But it will be done with an hour to the week.

Inflation, baby. Inflation.

It's a five hours.

It's not going to be the five hour work week.

You know, it's funny, you could release that and people will be like,

oh, shit, if you get out something new and it'd be like that seller.

The first three or four hour all about work in the fifth hour is all about pleasure.

Here we go, folks. Exactly. Epicurean 2.0.

So I am beyond excited about this because this is now right segwaying

from cutting my teeth on some collaboration with this thing called cockpunch.

But now I've segwayed to my actual

bailiwick right down the middle with hardcore nonfiction,

super tactical nonfiction, and I'm going to work with someone else.

And I don't think there's any chance I would have been able to do that

had I not deliberately created something that I didn't feel too

protective or precious about. Yeah.

So I'm fucking stoked, man.

I'm really excited.

Let me ask you a question.

How do you decide to as a general tip for the audience out there,

how and when do you decide to outsource things to other people

that you would consider to be representative of yourself or your brand

or in some way could be potentially damaging?

Like I think about this has been a hard one for me

because anytime an app ships or anytime anything happens

that is associated with a company that I have started,

if there's something breaks or it's not done the correct way,

that's always like, oh, Kevin, why didn't you catch this blah, blah?

And I'm like, I get that's what other people say to you or that's what you say to you.

Both, right?

So they say somehow think I'm doing everything, right?

And so they'll be like, it's impossible that you didn't catch this.

And I'm like, I didn't see it before one out, you know?

And so I'm wondering, I'm wondering when you,

because your brand is so important to protect,

who has final edit on your podcast?

Like how did you trust them with that?

Right? Because like totally, this is a great question.

You'd have to listen to every single podcast you ever did in great detail.

And we've never talked about this.

This is fun. I've never talked about this publicly.

So I am slow to give up the reins.

I'm very slow and I'm slow to trust in general, as you know.

And there's some upside to that.

There's there are also a bunch of downsides.

But I'll love it or hate it.

That is where we are.

I'm very hyper vigilant in that way.

In the case of the podcast,

first step after each podcast is recorded before I even send my edit notes

or anything like that is the podcast is transcribed.

And there are some great tools out there that can interact with transcripts

that we have also tested and used in the past, like Descript.

We use Descript, too. Yeah, right.

Which is really helpful for people who don't know.

It allows you to say strip out all the ums and ahs and filler words automatically.

And you make text edits that then get translated into audio edits.

It's very interesting.

I also use professional sound editors and so on.

But step one for all of that is getting the audio transcribed.

So we get the audio transcribed and at this point,

I have something like 700 episodes close to 700 episodes.

Which, for those who are wondering, is pretty crazy.

Next April, I think it's next April, is going to be 10 years of the podcast.

Can you fucking believe that's crazy?

It's insane.

10 years, 1.4 episodes on average per week for 10 years.

Damn.

Did you have hair when we started?

Like, can I remember? I don't think.

I probably had a little more hair.

My hair probably looks like my beard right now.

So it wasn't much.

It was good.

I definitely didn't have gray hair.

I didn't have gray hair.

Yeah, I wasn't going to be on any of those poster boards

where they show all the haircuts that are possible at the barber.

It's very old school, right?

Ooh, I want the flat top.

I want that one.

I wouldn't have been on any of those, but I probably had a little more hair.

I was probably faking it.

I was I think I was probably at the last the 11th hour of my white knuckling.

I probably had some cheesy faux hawk because that's all that was left.

And I was trying to cover up bald spots, something like that.

In any case, the point I was going to make is that my current general manager

of the podcast, who's really the CEO of editorial, has been working for me

for seven or eight years.

We've been working together a long time over that period of time.

We've now done a few hundred episodes together, minimum.

And I started with making edits myself in a Google Doc.

And then we would go back and forth.

And over time, I got to the point where I would ask him to suggest

that it's and then I would go through and provide refinements and feedback.

And I am at the point now where we probably have 95 percent overlap,

which is good enough.

And I therefore feel very comfortable with letting him make

the vast majority of decisions.

How long does that take you?

So is that like a year process?

Yeah, at least a year, because you're really training someone to.

Do two things.

One is to understand how you think well enough, my decision making process

so that they can step into the shoes or into the mind of Tim Ferriss

to look at a transcript.

The second is to be the best version of their editorial selves for using judgment.

And it's the combination that works really well.

So I would say it took me probably.

In his case, his responsibility is expanded dramatically

as we work together over time.

But I would say since he has effectively run the operation side of the podcast,

probably took a year and a half to two years is what I would say.

And I think it can be done much more quickly for people who.

Really focus on it and who don't have the trust issues that I have.

If you have a high enough volume of podcasts, which I have directly throttled,

I used to do say at times six, seven episodes a month

because you have all of these other interview based podcasts

that are doing four or five a week.

And I felt like that was a trend that I should not a trend I should follow.

But that was certainly in my economic best interest to publish more episodes

and people were consuming them.

But I started to drag my feet and realized

it was starting to feel like a J.O.B.

in the sense that I really was not looking forward

to my conversations after the fourth or fifth or sixth of a month.

So I dialed back deliberately so that I would still enjoy what I was doing.

What that meant, though, is that you're getting fewer iterations

or you're getting fewer at bat practices with the person

you're trying to train to be a world class editor.

And I think you could do it if you had decent volume.

You could probably do it three months, especially, for instance,

one thing that I could have done.

I just didn't think of it and I didn't have really the bandwidth.

I'm just juggling a lot and it wasn't my absolute top priority.

You don't have to use new audio.

I could have said, let's take the raw audio from 20 episodes

that were published before.

Or if you have a friend who's a podcaster,

you could have said, give me 20 of your episodes

and then have him run through it and then I would run through it.

And boom, before you know it, if the person is reasonably adaptive

and perceptive, they'll figure it out.

So I would say three to six months, but I'm at a point now

where it's at least 95 percent overlap.

And if there's something that's very nuanced that I feel strongly about,

I will still make that edit myself.

And some of it is really, really, really, really nuanced.

Let's just say a guest gives a long answer in the middle of that answer.

They say something that's factually incorrect.

And for my audience and also for the guests themselves, I want to remove that.

But if I remove it, perhaps that removes a bunch of important context.

So I may need to take something from elsewhere in the conversation

and slot it in or create a hybrid sort of Frankenstein for it to make sense

or ask them to do a pickup,

meaning record additional audio to slot in somewhere.

That is at a level of complexity and also like Tim Ferriss's

subjective whim that I will often step in to try to make some of those decisions.

But my right hand makes a lot of the decisions on his own now.

And it's incredible.

So that's been the process.

And there is, I will say, to put out a really good finished episode.

Oftentimes, there is a fuck ton of work that happens behind the scenes

that if we do our jobs correctly, are completely invisible.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, for me, it's obviously a different can of worms and running a startup

in a business.

But I think of it kind of through this lens where

one hundred percent, not even taking shortcuts when it comes to hiring,

just hiring absolute A plus players or what you believe to be

A plus players from day one.

I really, when I was working at Google and you walk in the door

and you get to see who you're surrounded and who your peers are,

it's very apparent that there's a reason why they're hiring processes so long.

And so a little bit tedious, but just it's quite the complex several hurdles

that you have to get over before you actually get in the door.

And I understand why those hurdles are so high now,

because once you get in, they give you the kind of the keys to the castle

and say, just go run, make mistakes, learn, and they trust you a lot.

And so for me, once we have, you know, I know I have high quality

talent to work with, it comes down to if this were to go completely

sideways, how big of screw up would it be publicly into our community?

And if the answer is a six or above, I probably want to give it

a little bit more hands on attention.

And if the answer is like an eight or above, then I want to be heavily

involved in that process.

If it's a kind of five or below, who cares?

Like, let them make the mistake because you just don't have time to look at everything.

Not only that, but you don't want your employees and look.

I think you're better at the micromanaging side.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right.

It's like, you don't want them to feel like you're the teacher

looking over their shoulder to like point out every mistake they make

as they're working, which has been hard for me to learn, honestly,

because I am such a perfectionist.

I don't know if I told you this.

Did I tell you that I was diagnosed with moderate, severe OCD by a psychiatrist?

Did I tell you this? No, holy shit.

It all makes sense now.

What was funny is that I went through this long thing and then these guys

was like, OK, I feel like I have a very confident read on our current state

of play and the diagnosis.

And so he tells me all this and he says, we're on Zoom.

And he's like, I understand this could be a lot to take in.

If you need time, we can take a break.

If you want to hop off the call, take up tomorrow.

And I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

I'm not surprised at all.

Yeah, I'm like, yeah, OK, fine.

Like, what's next? That's fine.

Dude, it's so funny you say that.

I've got an awesome new therapist that I'm really enjoying.

And she's amazing.

And she's like, I want to refer you to someone

because what you're describing sounds like ADHD.

And I'm like, yeah, no shit.

That's a big, big surprise, you know, like shocker, shocker, shocker.

That literally happened a week ago.

It's amazing.

Yeah, I reached out to a couple of my ex-girlfriends

who I'm friendly with and I asked them.

I was like, is this like square with your experience?

And they're like, yeah, yeah, it's gross with my experience.

I was like, OK, confirmed.

And this was in just to provide the context.

This was in the context of trying to determine

neuroanatomical targets for something

referred to as accelerated TMS, which I'm

hoping to talk quite a bit more about.

But I don't feel comfortable yet making any type of recommendation.

But it is a new protocol with a very, I shouldn't say very old,

but like 1980s-ish forward developing technology,

transcranial magnetic stimulation.

So it's brain stimulation for the purposes of minimizing

or eliminating the symptoms of certain things.

Like OCD, depression, generalized, or maybe it's just

general anxiety disorder.

I think it's generalized anxiety disorder, GAD.

And I've become very interested in this

because there are data related to something

that's been called the ST protocol.

I think that had too many religious overtones.

So they abbreviated to, I think, maybe SNT.

It's a Stanford-based brain stimulation lab.

There's some incredible scientists involved,

including Nolan Williams, who's incredibly impressive to me,

who have developed this protocol.

And the magnitude of effect that I have seen in some of the data,

this does not apply to all people,

this does not apply to all conditions,

but shows a magnitude of effect that makes it equally

as interesting to me as psychedelic-assisted therapies.

It's the only thing I have come across in the last five years

that approaches the amplitude of effect size

that you see in some of these results.

It's bananas, but it's very intense.

By accelerated TMS, what that means

is you're getting your brain zapped.

And it's not technically, whatever.

We don't have to get into zapping.

It's using magnetism, but you fucking feel it.

Let me make it very clear.

You're getting zapped for, and I could be getting some

of the specifics wrong, but I've gone through one cycle

of this already.

You're getting zapped for something like eight and a half

to 10 minutes every hour on the hour

for 10 hours a day for five days straight.

So you're doing 50 sessions in five days.

It's a hell of a thing, but that is why I was undergoing

this psychiatric evaluation, was to determine what

the diagnosis was such that they could try to determine

which coordinates to use, basically,

in placement of the stimulation.

Super, super, super, super interesting.

But the reason I brought that up is winding all the way back

to kind of where we started.

I noticed really minute details,

and that means also every mistake, every,

like I could scan a document.

I don't know if you're like this, but like I can look

at a document that four lawyers have reviewed

and find stuff.

And I just have that ability.

I don't know what it is.

It's definitely not all blessing.

There's a lot of curse to that,

but I could scan a document reading very quickly

and be like, this clause is off,

that punctuation is off in minutes.

You're like a living chat GPT.

Yeah, I'm kind of like, or yeah, or a rain man

in some respects, but that comes with a huge tax, right?

Because it drives other people crazy.

And you drive yourself crazy.

So I'm learning to contend with that,

which is a way of emphasizing how big a deal it is

for me to collaborate in the way that I'm describing.

I will say also that the objective

for the creative offsite for me

was to try to create a flywheel of collaborative potential.

And I'll explain what that means.

In other words, I wanted to create enough imagery,

enough artwork, also enough scaffolding

in terms of world building.

So the mythologies, the beliefs, the alliances,

the conflicts, the geography,

such that I could take all of that

and give it as a world Bible of sorts to a writer

who's never had an exposure to the realm of Varlata, right?

The Legend of Cockpunch.

And they would be equipped to write a short story

or a module or an adventure for D&D, a campaign, who knows?

Or a comic book and have it align with my creative vision

for that entire fantasy world,

which was a cool challenge.

I think it requires a little more time.

Those types of creative pushes are often two to three weeks.

Three weeks seems to be the sweet spot,

but that's a huge ask of my time and of everyone's time.

And I wanted to make sure that I felt comfortable

in a shorter format first, but, man, I'm excited

because what a lot of people don't realize

is this whole Legend of Cockpunch thing.

The only thing I need to do to make this something serious

is change the name.

I don't need to change anything about the world.

I've told you that, it's actually really easy.

Like if I wanted to switch that gear,

which I think would be a terrible handicap right now

because I want to continue to collaborate

and by having the current branding,

it alleviates a lot of pressure I might apply to it.

There's very little I have to do to flip a switch

and make this extremely viable.

Will you do that?

I don't know.

I don't know, maybe, maybe.

I think you should.

Remember when we had this conversation,

I called you up and I said,

if you do these three things,

this shit's gonna take off.

And one of them was the name change.

Yeah, of course, of course.

I know it's a possibility.

Right now, it is working so well as a creative hyperdrive

and as a catalyst for just,

it's like having my own fusion reactor or something.

It's working so well that I'm like,

look, don't get too clever.

Like you can fuck things up by being too clever.

I was like, don't get too clever.

Like this is working really well.

You lucked into a lot of it.

Some of it's by design, but you got really lucky.

Like ride the lightning for a while.

Don't fuck it up.

So I'm gonna stick with it for a while.

There's no, I don't feel also any time pressure whatsoever.

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Can I ask you a question that I hope you'll give me

a more kind of vulnerable response to?

Oh boy.

So, no, this is a good one though,

because from an outsider looking in, you say,

okay, Tim, you've told us this is just my observations.

You say over and over, Legend of Cockpunch, it's a joke.

It's for fun.

It's a throwaway.

I'm having a good time.

Don't want to take it too seriously, blah, blah, blah.

But in some sense, let me just think about how to word this.

In some sense, if you did take it seriously,

now you're not a sci-fi, but you're a fiction writer.

Yeah, fantasy writer.

And fantasy writer.

And you could go for it.

You could decide at some point to go for it

and say, I want to try this,

but there's also a sense that it could fail.

And you're protected right now from failure

because of the name.

So is that just a safety mechanism

to keep you from feeling failure?

Do you see what I'm saying?

Like if we're being really vulnerable here?

I do. Yeah, it's a great question.

So here's what I would say.

It's actually, in a sense, the opposite for me.

So it's not a throwaway.

It's definitely not a throwaway.

It is something, I think, very profound,

at least for me personally,

that is in the guise of something ridiculous,

which I think more people should try, honestly.

It's actually a cheat code.

And I would say that instead of using it

to avoid the possibility of failure,

what it is enabling me to do is fucking swing for the fences

in ways that I would never dare otherwise

that could result in just a complete face plant.

So I'm actually risking many, many, many different types

of failure that I would be hugely averse to otherwise

by couching it in the terms that I've been using.

And I am going to do so much more of this in life.

Holy shit.

Like this has been such an unlock for me

that I'm going to do a lot more of it.

And I'll mention a few other things just quickly

because it ties into this.

That's the nature of the random show.

Let me just pull out a random piece of paper from the hat

and we'll go from there.

There's a great book.

It's actually excellent for storytelling in general,

although it is comic specific.

It was recommended to me by a very good artist and creative

who works in comics named Daniel Henriquez or Henriquez.

The DC Comics Guide to Writing Comics,

which is such a boring title for a really entertaining

and useful book.

But the DC Comics Guide to Writing Comics by Dennis O'Neill,

it has sample scripts.

It shows you side by side script plus final output.

It goes into story arcs.

Not all of it would apply to what I want to do,

but it was incredibly, I found it incredibly useful

and also hilarious.

The writing itself is spectacular.

I thought it was spectacular by Dennis O'Neill,

so I want to give a hats off to him.

And in terms of fiction, I would be very insecure

if I were to take fiction writing prose only

on in say novel or book form

because there are some people who are so, so good at it.

For people out there who have not read any, say, fantasy fiction,

we could certainly get into science fiction.

I'm a huge fan of science fiction.

Ted Chang, I'll just say that, C-H-I-A-N-G.

The collection is just short stories.

Oh, there's not like eight short stories or something like that

in one book?

Yeah, exactly.

Is that the one?

That was really good.

Oh, maybe you said that a couple of years ago.

Yeah, I read it.

And he's absurdly, absurdly good.

The movie Arrival was based on one of his short stories.

The guy is so, so, so good.

So to be able to pack that much information,

like that dense of storytelling and such a short little,

it brings you in so quickly, it's unbelievable writing.

His ability to like turn your brain inside out with new concepts.

Exactly.

In like 15 pages.

Oh, it's unbelievable.

It's unbelievable.

So Ted Chang for science fiction would be my starting point.

And then you can try the longer stuff.

But for fantasy, Lord of the Rings is just too much for people to chew on

generally.

The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss.

I think Daria has read that actually, because I recommended it.

She, she read the graveyard book, which was usually my,

the graveyard book by Neil Gaiman is usually my trainer for people

who are nonfiction purists who are like fiction is dumb.

I don't want to read fiction.

I'll usually break them in with the graveyard book by Neil Gaiman.

Usually audio book, because these people are like, I'm fucking busy.

I'm like, okay, fine.

Well, listen while you're walking the dog or doing the dishes or whatever.

The graveyard book read by Neil Gaiman.

The ensemble is great, but don't do the ensemble cast read by Neil Gaiman.

And then the other one is the Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss,

which is fucking incredible.

And I recommended it to a friend.

I hadn't read it in 10 years or something.

And my friend who is a fucking snob when it comes to writing,

he has very high standards.

He reads excellent books.

He ripped through the two books that are part of the series,

the King Killer Chronicles in like four days.

These are long books and it completely blew his mind,

which got me very excited to read more fiction,

but I didn't have a good lead until these concept artists,

at least I think one of the concept artists and one of the writers at least,

it was like three out of five or something said,

you have to read The Blade itself by Joe Abercrombie.

And I'm in the middle of listening to The Blade itself by Joe Abercrombie.

And it is really fun.

It is really, really, really good.

I've really been enjoying it.

So on the creative side, I'm soaking myself in masters of fiction,

but I don't have the balls yet.

Or let me put it a different way.

It's not a balls issue.

It's I don't have the hubris to want to take that on right now.

I realize I have a lot of skill development to focus on.

And I think that my sweet spot will actually be potentially comics.

I really think comics might be my sweet spot because I have to be awesome.

Yeah, because I have the visual sensibility.

I mean, I do have the sort of directorial visual capacity.

I can think about all of that very easily.

So I could see you really, really enjoying that.

And I want to recommend one other thing, which is there's a very short.

It's not really a Ted talk, but it's on Ted.

There's a nine minute monologue.

And what's genius about it is that he's such a good actor that he makes it seem impromptu.

But you know, he rehearsed the shit out of it, right?

Takes a lot of practice to make something seem like it's impromptu.

And it's Ethan Hawke, the actor.

And it is a short Ted talk.

It's like nine minutes long called give yourself permission to be creative.

And holy shit, it is so good and so powerful.

I really, really recommend everybody check it out.

It's such an easy lift.

Yeah.

So speaking of Ted talks, thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

Kevin, you're up.

Yeah.

So one thing I wanted to, you know, we talked about that brain stimulation stuff.

And, you know, Adam Ghazali, our mutual friend at UCSF has been experimenting with that stuff as well.

For a long time.

For a long time.

He's one of the pros.

Yeah.

Long time.

One thing that I will say our mutual friend, Matt Walker, who runs the Berkeley sleep lab.

Have you talked to Matt about brain stimulation?

No.

You know, I literally took a note like 10 minutes ago to catch up with Matt Walker,

because I haven't caught up with him in a while.

So, yes, I've been thinking about Matt.

Talking about what is the nicest thing on earth.

But I haven't talked to him about brainstem.

I have not.

Matt is, and this is by no means an ad.

I'm not involved at all.

He's a scientific advisor for a company called Somni, S-O-M-N-E-E.

He sent me one of the devices.

I haven't tried it yet, but I have it sitting next to my bed oddly enough, as one does.

But you wear it 15 minutes before you go to sleep, and it's supposed to just really improve

your sleep quality via brain stimulation.

So, definitely check that out.

And I know that obviously he wouldn't sign on to something unless he believed the science was solid,

and he was very excited about this.

It's a tough hurdle.

It's a startup to get people to feel comfortable stimulating their brain with currency.

It's challenging, but it's really promising, and Matt was impressed with the results.

That's amazing.

If you have trouble with sleep, definitely check it out.

Oh, my God.

And that's obviously a legend.

The story of my life.

Good Lord.

Yeah.

So, I will talk to Matt.

He's genuinely such a brilliant, but moreover sweet guy.

He's just one of the sweetest guys I've ever met.

He's nice.

Like, I kind of want to like write him into my will.

Yeah.

And watch my kids.

Yeah, seriously.

Like, I mean, I was like, I know I met you a year ago, but can you be the godfather to my

unborn children, please?

I've never met them, but exactly.

He's the sweetest guy, such a sweet guy.

All right.

So, I know you have a bunch of stuff.

All right.

What else?

What else are you holding back here?

So, you know, speaking of just crazy shit early that I want to tell you about, I think

about technology startups in general, we all know 90% of them fail.

Some of them are so odd they're worth mentioning because if they become something larger, you'll

want to have heard about it, right?

This is one of those.

So, there is a site out there.

It is called friend.tech.

Have you heard of this?

No.

Okay.

I don't think so.

So, you get a sign up code.

They'll post them all over Twitter.

Somebody you'll know will have one.

And when you go in, what they have realized and what Apple has done is Apple has said,

you must pay us a 20% tax on all transactions, right?

And they've also banned cryptocurrency trading from the App Store.

Like, they don't allow that to happen.

They like to have wallets and they like to buy from like Coinbase, but they, as payments,

they haven't yet enabled that.

So, some clever individuals have figured out that back in the day, they have a way with

Safari, the little browser built on the iPhone, to install apps on the phone that aren't actually

from the App Store.

Oh, that's wild.

They're written.

Okay.

I see why this is so hard.

Okay.

So, what they've done is somebody created something called friend.tech and when you sign in with

your Twitter and off in your Twitter, it creates a profile for you.

It gives you a place to post to your followers.

You can post out and they can all respond back, but they can't see each other's responses.

So, it's almost like a private DM that is coming from them to you, but whenever you send something

out, it goes to everyone, okay?

Now, what happens though is you get one share of yourself to begin with and they call them

keys now because they realize the SCC might freak out about that and they're tokenizing

humans via a bonding curve.

What?

What does that mean?

Yes.

Think of bonding curves like a slippery slide, like a child's slide and if you had to place

a toy car on the bottom of the slide, if you're early and you're the first one, you're buying

in at the ground floor, but as the car starts to go up the slide, which is the predefined

curvature of the bonding curve, it becomes more and more pricey.

So, if I buy Tim Ferriss as user number one, I might pay 10 cents a share for Tim Ferriss

and the next person might pay 15 cents, the next person might pay 20 and then it goes

up from there.

It's all done in Ethereum, but they do it on a layer two, which is another complex way

of saying they kind of take it off chain or not on the main chain, so it only costs pennies

to do these transactions.

Got it.

So, you're dodging Apple and you're dodging the gas fees.

Right.

So, think of this like, imagine this is like a new type of only fans, but for everyday

content.

So, if Twitter can have subscriptions, only fans can have fetishes about whatever.

I didn't want to name any because I've seen some weird shit, I've heard about some word

shit.

Nice save.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So, this allows them to dodge the micro payments.

So I signed up, I was like, what the hell, I'm just going to try this, but here's the

crazy thing, Tim.

As people buy and sell you, a percentage that goes back to you as the creator, the content

creator.

So, I didn't know that going into this.

I'm like, oh, I'm just going to buy and sell some of my friends and so, I haven't sold

anybody yet.

Wait, wait, wait.

Hold on, hold on.

You're saying buy and sell some of your friends or you're selling, not shares because as you

see, you'll freak out, but whatever the hell the hell the keys keys, keys in yourself.

What do people get?

What?

Okay.

So they pay for this thing.

Access to your feed.

All right.

Okay.

So if you signed up, so it's like an Ethereum denominated Patreon in a way, something like

that.

Yes, exactly.

But it's based on a bonding curve.

So the sooner you get in the better and then there's as you exit down, it falls the same

curve down.

So as you sell shares, so, you know, Nadia from Pussy Riot, I paid for hers and she

put some things.

Oh, wow.

On her feed.

That's very nice.

Nadia is a beautiful woman.

There's no doubt about that.

Kevin just showed his iPhone screen to the video for those who don't want to check in

on the video.

It's like the video version.

Hey, listen, Daria likes her.

She told Daria that she has a nice ass.

So my wife is.

Oh, wow.

Nice.

I don't even know if I should be bringing this up right now.

I've had two glasses of wine.

Yeah.

All right.

So female politics are so next level.

So playing checkers and women are playing 3D chess.

It's so much more complicated because she goes to Daria like, oh, you have really nice

ass and Daria's like, thank you.

And then later on, Daria's like, oh, she's a nice ass.

I'm like, what do I say?

Like, oh, you both have nice asses.

Like, what am I supposed to say?

Like, there's nothing you can say.

I like food.

I like ass.

I would like some scrambled eggs now.

There's nothing you can say.

He's going to go back to your normal program.

Right.

So anyway, um, there's, there's, that's, that's, uh, she's one phone, one to follow.

But here's the funny thing is what people are buying or selling me, right?

And I wasn't aware of this.

You get a cut of it.

So dude, I've got like almost three ETH and just royalties from people buying and selling

me on this.

So here's what I'm guessing.

The people who are at the bottom of the slide are marking up and then selling their shares,

their keys potentially Kevin.

So let me ask you this.

Are you ending up with the same scumbags that are so common in web three land or is it like

something you don't have to deal with scumbags?

I call them friends, but, um, I would say that I'm not saying everybody in those communities

fits the description of scumbags, but there are a lot of fucking idiots.

Like, let's be honest, right?

Yeah.

I don't think you can block anyone here, but so far everyone has been super nice.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

I only have also because if it's a DM, they don't get any social reinforcement for being

pricks.

Right.

Right.

And that just, it only comes to you, but they get, yes, exactly.

Yeah.

But my point really is, is not so much about whether this is, I think the SEC comes in

here at some point, this gets too big and it's like, uh, you know, this probably isn't

right.

But I, there's something interesting about this idea of owning a portion of, it's like

when we were kids and you said, Hey, this band is going to be huge.

Right.

When you listen to a band, you get rewarded for being early.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And you were like, no, trust me, trust me, they're going to break out the song.

This is just the beginning.

And then, you know, they become the next Pearl Jam or whatever you're like, I told you man,

I was, I was early.

I was a fan since day one, you know, this is a way to say I was a fan since day one.

And get rewarded for it at the same time.

So it's a fascinating social experiment.

I don't know where it's going to go, but I think it's worth people just kicking the

tires.

And so the way you get rewarded then, if you're buying keys, God, that's awkward.

That term is used for so many things.

Yeah.

But whatever, keys in someone.

So I buy keys in Kevin Rose.

The way I get rewarded is number one, access to the feed.

Although I don't think your ass shots are going to be as good as the one that you

should show me.

You from that haven't exposed yet.

All right, perfect.

Can't wait.

And then, secondly, the way you get rewarded is you can, I guess, sell some

or all of your keys.

If you got it early, you get one share of your own self.

You can buy more shares of your own self if you're bullish on yourself.

But I would not recommend going and selling yourself.

That just looks odd.

For me, I've just gone out and bought a handful of other people that I respect.

Or want to see their content.

I haven't sold anybody because I think this is like a house of cards a little

bit. What happened?

Yeah, I'm not going to play the fuck is going on.

I know.

I was building a kid's construction set.

My kid's house and fucked it up.

Looks like you've been punching cement blocks.

I know.

I do want to take some boxing classes, though.

That's been on my list of to-dos.

Yeah, you should just don't get hit in the head.

Yeah, I know that.

Yeah, TBI does not help what you want to do.

I mean, boxing is great.

You all feel like you're about to die after three minutes of working on pads.

It is so unbelievably tiring, especially if you have a trainer who moves a lot

and can avoid what you're trying to accomplish.

Muay Thai also excellent for pad work.

I've been thinking about getting back into Muay Thai, but I have to fix my spinal

pain first. Muay Thai is probably one of the worst things that I could possibly do

right now, given the state of affairs.

But boxing is great, man.

And you'll have access to a lot of good gyms.

Yeah, there's got to be some out here.

I'm going to go try and find a good one.

Oh, yeah, a ton, ton.

You got tons of options.

Yeah, just skip the sparring, skip the sparring, work on pads.

Well, I mean, you could do light sparring.

They're right with padded headgear.

Like as long as it's not too, you know, let me explain what happens in light

sparring with headgear.

So here's what happens with light sparring with headgear.

Everyone's cool for like 60 seconds until you're not.

And then someone throws a punch that's a little too hard and they say, oh,

sorry, man, sorry.

And the other person's like, yeah, it's fine. No problem.

Then the other person throws a shot.

It's a little harder.

And then before, you know, you're just fucking giving each other brain damage

left and right of that.

And then you both have headache for three days and you actually have real jobs

and it's a complete waste of brain cells.

So the way that's sparring, it's not really sparring, but the way that contact

can make sense is if you have someone who's really good at holding mitts,

you know, pads, who will occasionally check you with their own hands,

but they have the pads on.

So they're not hitting you hard, but they're giving that.

It's just like a little snap to the face.

Yes, you have to react and you have to develop some defensive capabilities.

That's yeah, I think that's tolerable.

But speaking as someone, oh, my God, going through these psychiatric evaluations,

the number of questions related to concussions and traumatic brain injury

is really beyond anything I would have expected.

Like the correlation of depression, anxiety, et cetera, to TBI, to traumatic

brain injury is undeniable.

Yeah, it turns out fucking up your brain is going to fuck up your brain.

Well, yeah, but it's not immediately clear if you're, say, a skateboarder

when you're a kid, like I skateboarded you did, too.

I'm sure you ate shit sometimes like you whacked the living hell out of your head.

I was actually talking to Tony Hawk about this because, you know, his,

his mom passed from dementia and we were talking about, you know,

some of the brain injuries and stuff that he's been through.

And he's just like, you know, at the time, this was years ago,

some kind of paraphrasing, but at the time he was just like, you know,

it's what I do.

Yeah.

It's like you're kind of too far in at that point, you know, yeah.

Yeah.

And I was like, and I talked to Rhonda Patrick and I was like,

this is many years ago, we were talking about Omega threes to get for Tony

and just like stuff that we could potentially do to like, you know,

give him some brain health, you know, it's tough.

He's seen some damage.

Yeah.

Have you ever seen his shins?

Oh, they must be terrible.

I haven't. They're beat up, dude.

It's like he's like, he's like a Muay Thai fighter.

I have so much respect for that, dude.

I mean, talk about somebody that the last time I saw him was probably six

months ago, we went to this donut place that was opening up and he had a cane

with him. What? And he's like, yeah, he was like,

well, he had just had surgery.

Oh, I see.

I'm like, how are you doing, man?

He's like, you know, they just opened me up, put a few more screws in.

He's like, I'll be skating like, you know, it's like the dude just has no fear.

Like there's like no, there's he's just like, they just opened me up,

put a few screws in and I'm going to go back at it.

Like, what the fuck?

Good for good for him.

You're already the goat.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's like layered Hamilton, same with surfing, right?

He's just like, yeah, get patched up and back out there, broke my leg on a

hundred foot wave in like 17 places.

Yeah, that's fine.

They'll just stitch it back together.

I'll be out in two months.

It's just insane.

I'm not built like that.

It's impressive.

Side note, and this is not to make a blanket recommendation

because I'll be really irresponsible, but I saw a presentation.

I'm not sure if it's publicly available on.

A scientific study that examined psilocybin.

So what is considered the active component?

Everything is that is some do some do in in salicybe mushrooms or different

types of mushrooms, so magic mushrooms in Parkinson's patients for the.

Oh, shit, minimizing or reversal of symptoms.

And it's very compelling.

So I do think that psychedelics is unclear exactly what type to me at least.

Maybe they are the tryptamine psychedelics.

Maybe they are who knows.

Maybe it has something to do with the serotonin type to a receptors.

I'm not sure that's beyond my pay grade, but I will say that.

For those who are interested, if they can find this research, which could be very preliminary,

who knows, maybe it's pilot study type of status.

But looking at psilocybin is applied to Parkinson's patients.

I do think it's from a neurogenesis perspective.

I find it one of the more promising avenues of exploration.

I do think for people with TBI, I do think psychedelic assisted therapies are very interesting.

I would say psilocybin, probably one of the better researched molecules and worth investigating.

Ibogaine also very interesting, but it has cardiac.

Like it stops your heart either cardiac implications.

The Nolan Williams I mentioned earlier has looked at ways to mitigate some of the cardiac risk.

Both of those are very, very, very interesting psilocybin at this point,

probably being the more versatile of the two just from a safety profile perspective.

But I'm very optimistic about for those people who want to look at the edges of scientific inquiry.

I'm very optimistic of actually in a way that I wasn't say 10 years ago in how we might contend

with neurocognitive decline or neurodegenerative disease.

I'm actually much more optimistic than I was 10 years ago.

Did you invest in Paul Stammett's new company?

I did not. I'm not doing a whole lot of investing and I haven't.

We did at True Ventures.

You did? Good.

And he's got a psilocybin new company that they're doing studies and hopefully when this stuff gets legalized,

we'll see what happens.

Paul Stammett knows his stuff, man.

Paul Stammett is one of a kind.

He's a great human being and in all my experiences with him, we actually just last week,

maybe in the last two weeks, he and I did a challenge grant to raise money for the Amazon

conservation team to buy historically indigenous land to return it to certain tribes in Columbia,

including the Kogi and a handful of others.

They're not in the Amazon.

They're at higher altitude in the north and a handful of others.

And then ACT equips them with training to be able to monitor and report on their territory

because it's not really enough just to secure land rights.

And Paul was generous enough along with my foundation to issue the challenge grant.

So we just did that together in the last two weeks.

Paul knows his stuff.

He really, really knows his stuff.

I feel very confident in saying that.

Smart guy.

He's got some great TED Talks as well.

We're checking out.

All right.

Should we move on?

Let's move on.

So I'll mention something that's sitting outside.

I can see it from here that people might be interested in.

So I have been and still am a fervent believer in cold therapy,

using ice baths as a means of controlling inflammation as a means of mood elevation

that lasts on the mood elevation.

Big time.

Unbelievable.

And generally, my approach has been to get a chest freezer of some type and

fill it with ice, etc.

And that works, but they get really disgusting really quickly.

And they all do.

I bought one of the machines, the real pro ones.

And then you're stuck with this thing that is an ice or and you don't know what to do with it.

You can't move it.

I tried to sell it.

I couldn't.

Yeah.

So I ended up because I realized how significant a lever this is for improving my quality of

life just on a daily basis.

It's like, and I'll backstep for a second and just say one thing that I learned from Tony Robbins

to give him credit.

And I don't know if he came up with this, but is this sequence of state

story strategies?

So it's like, fix your state first.

Only then can you come up with an enabling story and only then can you come up with an

effective strategy.

If you're like feeling shitty and you're sleep deprived and you're kind of depressed or anxious

or whatever, you try to come up with a strategy, meaning how to fix something,

you're not going to come up with a good strategy, generally speaking.

So it's like, fix your physical state first, then you can come up with an enabling story,

then come up with an effective strategy.

So the state piece is very important.

There aren't that many ways I have found to change state.

Exercise is one, but it requires generally a fair amount of time.

Heat is also effective, but again, requires say, it doesn't sound like a much, but it's

like 15 to 30 minutes, let's just say in a sauna.

Very effective.

Cold is the fastest.

It's just the fastest for me.

And I've gone without cold therapy because I've not wanted to get some huge chest

freezer or a pro model.

I am also going to be getting a pro model, but they get all scummy though.

And then you got to put chlorine in them.

Yeah, this is all that.

It's a lot.

But I went on Amazon and I found something called the cold pod, which you set up in like

five minutes.

You fill it with water from a hose, you put ice in and it works perfectly well as a cold plunge.

And I ended up buying a Yeti cooler to store ice in.

So I have a few days of ice and it's, let's see, what would it be?

It would be like if you were standing, maybe it's hip height and it's probably three feet

in diameter and you get in, you just kind of crouch in there and it works fucking great.

It works really well and it costs like 150 or 200 bucks.

Maybe, I don't know, maybe it's a hundred bucks.

It's not crazy.

169.

There you go.

And I've been really impressed with this thing.

It's very basic and even when it's been very hot outside, like you put in two bags of ice

and you let it sit for 20 minutes, it's going to get pretty cold.

It's not going to be 30 degrees, but it's probably going to be mid 50s,

depending on how much water you have in there.

Pro tip, the more water you have in there,

the more ice you're going to need to cool it.

So don't fill it all the way up to the top.

Fill it up like halfway and then add the ice and it's been a game changer for me.

It's a plastic trash can.

Well, no, it's not a plastic trash can.

I mean, props who ever made this shake because it probably cost like 15 bucks to build one of these.

Yeah, it's not a trash can.

I just to be clear, I mean, it's look, it's we're not talking about a fucking Maserati,

but here's what's nice about it.

It's very easy to set up.

It's not a trash can because that makes it sound like it's like mid chest height and hard.

It's easy to pack.

You can actually travel with it if you want to travel with it.

So I would just say for people who travel with it.

Oh, it's super easy, man.

You like it folds up.

Yeah, it folds up.

You sit, stick in the bag and take it with you.

It's super easy.

Put in your hotel room.

Yeah.

I hope that loves 50 gallons of water spilling out.

So for those people who have perhaps heard about the benefits of cold therapy,

but have avoided it because it's too expensive, it's too time consuming, whatever,

this is a way to test it.

And I would just say this is a low hurdle way to test it out.

And I used it earlier today.

It's fantastic.

Changed my day.

So that's the cold bud.

And there are a bunch of other options that look basically identical.

I just went with the one with the best reviews.

Nothing fancy.

I need something like this because I don't want to commit to like sterilizing my water.

That's always been the problem with these things, right?

I just want something I can get into.

But how many bags of ice do you really need to pull this off?

I'd have to go look at the bags that are in the Yeti right now.

I mean, you need like six.

No.

Well, it depends on the size of the bag, right?

I would say I'm guessing.

I have no idea if this is accurate.

Two 20 pound bags of ice.

Probably.

Okay.

So something like that.

Assuming that it is about half full.

If you fill it up to the brim, you are making a mistake because now

to lower the temperature, you're going to need a larger volume of ice.

But if we're talking about, let's just say it's halfway up,

and then you put in two 20 pound bags of ice, you're set.

So with a Yeti cooler and this thing, I am good to go.

I got a question for you, Kev Kev.

Have you ever read poetry?

This is hard left.

Yes.

Yeah.

What do you read?

It's more, I shouldn't say it's poetry.

I've done.

It's tweets.

No, no, no, no.

I'm going to send you the book that I have found that I started reading recently that was

fantastic, but I've dabbled.

Horton hears a who?

No, no, no.

I've had a couple of books that I've picked up, but they're mostly Haiku books.

Like for me, Haiku is kind of my poetry.

Yeah, sure.

I mean, it's sort of in the zone, right?

It's in the zone.

I like Haiku because it's just like, it really has to hit.

Don't fuck with me.

It really has to hit.

It really has to hit, though.

You know what I mean?

Like you got three lines.

Like you get to pull something pretty amazing.

You know, speaking of that, the sci-fi writer, it's like it really forces you to have something

really dense and trigger, make the mind leap, you know, in those three lines, as I say.

And Haiku is a strong, strong constraint.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, I was wondering because I've been delving strongly back into poetry and

that Ethan Hawke nine minutes TED Talk, which is very informal, but don't let it fool you.

He prepared for it.

The giving yourself permission to be creative.

He talks about poetry and he mentions, and I'm going to butcher this, but he says,

you know, no one really cares about poetry or you wonder why on earth people would read

poetry until you have something happen.

It could be something tragic, like the death of a parent.

It could be something incredibly joyous, like the birth of a child.

And you wonder, has anyone ever felt this way before?

How am I going to get through this?

Or how should I think about this?

And then poetry becomes really relevant, or it can become really relevant.

And I've been delving back into Mary Oliver.

I read her collection, Devotion.

And I recently bought a small collection called Dreamwork, which I haven't finished.

So in disclosure, if you read it and you hate it, I'm not going to take the blame for it.

I also have reread now multiple times this collection of newly translated Rumi called Gold

by Hallelisa Gafori, who is particularly interesting to me because she is poet herself

in English, but she's also a native Farsi speaker.

So she can go back to the source material, the original, and translate effectively.

And what many people don't realize is that many versions of translated poetry

are not actually directly translated.

They take some earlier English translation from like the 1920s or something,

and then they turn it into better poetry.

But now you have a leap from, say, Farsi to English to English,

which is like a game of telephone.

Things get distorted, whereas she can go directly.

So Gold, this very short collection of Rumi poetry, I have reread a number of times.

And this particular poet, I have not read this yet.

But you can see this, this says Time as a Mother by Ocean Vuong, V-U-O-N-G,

which I assume is Vietnamese.

I read his first book, which blew my mind.

I'm not sure why I was drawn to it.

I bought it as an impulse purchase at some Barnes & Noble in New York City.

And I think it was probably the title.

The title was Night Sky with Exit Wounds, which is a great fucking title.

It's so good.

And I had this like family.

That's a great fucking title.

I love a good title like that.

Yeah.

And it was like a family photo on the front.

And I was like, what the fuck is going on here?

So I picked it up and I will warn people in advance.

True your warning for some people, there are some very graphic sex scenes in this poetry book.

So there's that.

But I was so impressed.

I have not read his new collection yet, but Night Sky with Exit Wounds,

and apology to the author if I'm butchering your name.

I was very impressed.

And what I loved about it also is that I'm generally reading the words of dead poets.

Generally, right?

Oh my God.

Do you know what I mean?

Like I'm always reading the words of dead poets.

And this is a contemporary.

I would guess that this author is younger than I am.

And it's still put me into the cosmic philosophical washing machine and fucked me up.

And I was like, okay.

All right.

Nice.

Can I give you a couple of recommendations then if you're into this?

Yes.

There's a book called Japanese Death Poems.

Fantastic.

I was gifted that by a friend of mine who used to be Marine Force Recon.

And it's fucking amazing.

Yeah.

How did you find that book?

There's haiku in there as well.

Like it's like it was part of like my whole discovery of haiku.

No, I know.

But how did you discover that?

I'm curious before you get to the next one.

How did you find it?

I'll tell you how.

I read a book called Three Simple Lines,

which Henry Shukman, Zen Master that you've had on the podcast, recommended to me.

And he's at this Natalie Goldberg is the author.

She was the author of this book called Down the Bones.

I think it's called.

Writing Down the Bones.

Writing Down the Bones.

Writing Down the Bones.

That's right.

That is a great book.

Great book.

She has a book called Three Simple Lines, which is about haiku.

And it's fantastic.

Okay.

It's a really good book.

That got me into haiku.

That got me excited about a bunch of other of the greats like Bashou and Busan,

like some of the best Japanese haiku writers, the OGs.

OG crew.

So I've got a book called The Sound of Water.

And then that led me to Japanese death poems.

And then there was one other one that I wanted to tell you about that is really awesome,

which is Chiyo.

I'm going to mess up the Japanese pronunciation.

It's Chiyoni.

Are you familiar with C-H-I-Y-O?

Chiyoni and I?

Is that how you would say that?

No, I don't know.

I'd have to look it up.

What is that?

Okay.

So she is a Japanese woman haiku master.

And so if you go and look up basically haiku masters back in the day,

probably would come to no surprise, we're all men.

And so she is one of the very few that like was taken in and like broke out and became

a Japanese haiku master.

And so it's just a really kind of awesome story.

And you get some haiku from a female back in those days, which is, you know, a long time ago.

So.

Super rare.

Super rare.

Yes.

Super rare.

Yeah.

I am reading.

Okay.

So I think it's Fuguda Chiyoni.

That's her name.

Fuguda.

Fuguda, which means I guess like fortuitous rice paddy.

Fuguda Chiyoni.

That's amazing.

It's like thousand era.

Oh, my Kanji are failing me right now.

Ni I'm blanking on.

Was Japanese poet of the Edo period and a Buddhist nun?

She was widely regarded as one of the greatest posts of haiku and then hoku.

I don't know what that is.

Some of she's best works include the morning glory, putting up my hair and again, the women.

Fascinating.

Okay.

Yeah, I've not had any exposure to her.

Yeah, definitely worth picking up.

I think, holy shit, she began writing haiku at seven.

By age 17 had become very popular all over Japan.

That's nuts.

Considering that she was born in 1703.

So to be born in 1703 and by 17 as a woman in Japan to be famous all over Japan, that's bananas.

Right.

And I had seen some of her work in these other books and it was just mind blowing.

And I'm like, who is this woman?

And then I did somewhat of what you did probably a year ago when I read the Wikipedia entry or

whatever.

And I was like, holy shit, she was a badass.

All right, I'll check it out.

So is the name of the book then Shioni?

Is that it?

Yeah, it's Shioni Woman Haiku Master.

That's the one I purchased.

There could be others about her, but that was the one that I had purchased,

which is probably just a compilation of her works.

Cool.

So other books, I'll throw out there for people interested.

I recently listened to, I've been doing a lot of audiobooks recently,

Coyote America.

And I think the subtitle is a natural and supernatural history,

which I believe is by Dan Flores.

Yes, Coyote America, a natural and supernatural history.

And it's got 4.6 on Amazon with more than 1500 reviews.

And it's a biological, natural, evolutionary history of the Coyote,

but also a supernatural, aka mythological,

history of Coyote and the significance Coyote in different indigenous traditions.

And it goes through the entire span of history, also drawing most interestingly,

I think, parallels between the evolution and adaptation of Homo sapiens

and the evolution and adaptation of Coyotes.

It's uncanny.

Sounds horrible.

Okay, sorry.

You got Coyotes.

So judgy.

You love wolves.

You love wolves.

No, those are your shit.

Coyotes would be first, probably.

Wolves would be second.

What's the one that licked you in the mouth?

Those were wolves when I spent time with the Arctic wolves.

I mean, gray wolves, but from Canada.

That's crazy.

They licked you right in the mouth.

Yeah, on the teeth.

That's the greeting.

By the way, folks who may wonder,

wolf head, not the same as the dog head.

They are fucking humongous.

Like they could put your entire head in their mouths.

They are not the same as dogs, but I would say Coyotes,

I would identify more with Coyote.

And it's a fascinating history to recognize how adaptive both humans,

in the sense of homo sapiens, and Coyotes have been over time.

I mean, humans attempted the most systematic extermination of Coyotes as a species,

unlike any other species in the history of humankind.

And we're talking about millions upon millions upon millions of poison bait traps and so on set.

And despite that, Coyotes have proliferated and adapted beyond anyone's wildest imaginations.

Now, part of that is from the removal of their check and balance, which is gray wolves.

So there's the removal of the gray wolf as the apex predator,

which then has resulted in part in this proliferation of Coyote populations.

But because they were never the top predator, they have awareness and caution about them

that makes them very hard to kill. Furthermore, when they're under pressure,

their litter size increases. Isn't that wild?

As an evolutionary adaptation, when they're under threat, they go from having,

I'm making this up, let's just say three pups per litter to like six or seven pups per litter.

Oh, crazy.

Isn't that wild? It's a fascinating book. It's really, really interesting. And also,

interesting from the lens of looking at how we have historically looked at Coyotes

as a reflection of the aspects of ourselves that we were least willing to accept.

Super interesting. Going all the way back to Mark Twain, who I love Mark Twain, however,

on the particular account of Coyotes created a whole ton of fucking damage and craziness.

But it was a good book. It was a good book, especially the first half, I would say.

You know what I wish there was? This is just me being a random two glass and a half in a

podcast or a surround show. You know, it'd be fun. It's like, I'm just making this up.

I like product ideas. Wouldn't it be cool if you could say, Hey, I'm Tim.

At seven p.m. tonight, I'm going to listen to this Coyote book for an hour.

And we could all tune in and listen and at the same time and see comments and chat and stuff

like that. And there would be no voice. It wouldn't be disruptive. We're just all listening.

It would be like, you could say one thing per five minutes or whatever or give a heart or

something like when you'd like a certain segment of it or something. There'd be something pretty

powerful about that. That would be super fun. I think people would really dig that, especially

if they knew that you were kind of listening at the same time. I love that idea. I love that idea.

All right, Audible. Anybody from Audible's out there? Yeah, being synchronous and connected in

that way. Do tech? It's like, it's amazing. Yeah, that's not what I was going to say. I mean,

it is amazing. Amazingly good and amazingly bad. I mean, we are more connected than we have ever

been in terms of communication and more isolated and lonely than we have ever been.

Holy shit. What a situation. Good point. All right, let's get through this where we're an hour

and a half in, but I've got some crazy shit to tell you still. Well, let's go to crazy town.

Come on, Kevin Regiment. Hold out. You and I have been supplement geeks for a while. You,

more so than me, for many, many years, you got me onto some crazy shit early on.

Always give credit back to the Tim Ferriss for the earliest. You got me into everything, man.

All the HGH and stuff, then you were shooting me over. Fico Matter Transplates from Tasmania.

Fico Transplains. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all the catamines are positorized.

Just the best. I mean, I just did one before we started the show. So, you know, feeling it.

All right. So a few things that is that everything, by the way, people coming up the butt. Oh, yeah,

they boost the K up the bun. Do they? It's a thing. Yeah. I think it's kind of ridiculous,

but people like any excuse to take drugs at the bottom. This is also like a constant

through human history. Yeah, go figure that one out. Do you have a book about it and coyotes?

The four hour coyote spustery. Yeah, I don't really want to say the coyote up the

bun. That sounds uncomfortable. That does. Let's go straight in for everybody involved.

A few of the things that I wanted to mention were you've cut back on supplements. Is that

fair to say over the years? Because when I went to your medicine cabinet one time,

there was like a thousand things in there. Yeah. I mean, less than I used to, for sure. I mean,

I still take more supplements than anyone else I know, except for maybe Peter.

Peter, you tell me how many of these you agree with or you take or you're curious about.

Okay. Number one, I found that collagen for us getting older is legit in terms of reducing

visible lines, like just general skin health. Do you take collagen? This is going to sound

funny. Collagen makes me kind of itchy. I don't know why. It makes me like I get kind of itchy.

I do take collagen. I think it's very interesting also as a flooding dose prior to resistance

training. People can look this up. Taking collagen prior to stimulating, say, a location of injury

is very, very interesting. Okay. But I hate being really fucking itchy, so I don't take it too much.

So two things. Ron and Patrick put together a great data analysis of all the different

published studies that are out there. There's really strong evidence around just general

skin elasticity as you get older, and then obviously joints in general. If you're running

any of that type of stuff, just really healthy joint stuff. Great Lakes, no affiliation brand

that Ron takes. I'm a fan of your cheeks look like a newborn's buttocks. Is that from the

collagen? They look very voluptuous. One other thing before we get off the collagen train,

bone broth. Okay. Okay. So Brodo, which you know Marco, right? Yeah, I do. Of course.

You've met Marco before. Yeah. So Marco James Beard, award-winning chef, best chef in New York

City. Amazing. He's been on my podcast. Yeah. Amazing guy. He's fantastic. He's fantastic.

Here's the cool thing is I talked to him. Brodo Forever was his broth company where he

shipped you frozen broth to your house. And I used to all through COVID. It was fantastic.

It's like the best broth kills everything on the shelves that I've been a part of or have tasted.

He figured out a way to get it so that he doesn't have to add any preservatives,

no concentrates or nothing but shelf stable. So it's fantastic and it is, these are single

servings. You rip them up and put them in the cup and there's a one minute in the microwave

and you're good to go. It's my go-to broth. Brodo is fantastic. Brodo.com, no affiliation,

not invested. Just a friend. All right. You ready for two more things?

It's quite an inhale. So I'll also mention, and this is a little self-interested because

I'm one of the largest investors in this company, but so he has also played around with bone broth

from Axis Steer from Maui, which is from Maui, Newie, Venison, which I'm very involved with.

Oh, he has. And the collagen and protein levels are fucking bananas. They're like off the charts

to the point where people think there are errors in lab reports. It's really wild.

Would they do pills of that? Because that would be really interesting in pill form.

Yeah, I don't think so. Right now, it's just whole food or nothing, which I kind of like

because it forces you to do a little bit of work. But Marco is the master of broth, MOB.

He really is. He really is. Yeah.

Try out Brodo, 100%. If you live in New York, by the way,

he's got physical locations where you can go and get these broths in cup form, like if you're

going to a cafe. And you'll know anyone in New York will tell you it's the best. It's just legit.

All right, a couple more things, three more things real quick. ASOP, you know the brand, ASOP?

Yeah. What is that? They make little tiny baby hand sanitizers now, and they smell amazing.

A-E-S-O-P. Okay, where is it? Yeah. Did you not know this brand?

No, I do know the brand. What are you using your hand sanitizer for?

No, just like, you know, when you're in Ubers and shit, you know, you just got a little hand

sanitizer, you got kids, you know. Okay, so I just want to throw that out there. I have no

affiliation. Next thing is creating fucks up my stomach. It really does.

Gives you, yeah, potential for disaster pants high. It's just all kinds of things are wrong

with creating. But as someone that works out, you want to take it because, you know,

you get a little boost in the gym and all that good stuff. Have you ever tried this stuff right here?

Cre alkaline. Yeah, I've got some of the bathroom.

Do you really? Yeah, I do.

It's buffered creatine. Yeah.

Dude, it eliminated all my stomach issues. Anyway, I thought,

yeah, so it's done by now sports. If you've had issues taking creatine and you're working out and

you want to take some, I just want to throw it out there is something that is good.

You want to hear a horrifying story that I would never tell you if I were sober?

Oh, of course. So I was in San Francisco and I was rushing to prepare for an international flight,

long international flight. I can't remember where I was going, but it was a long flight.

Like 12 plus hours kind of deal. Yeah, that kind of deal. And I was running around, running around,

and I had like two double espressos. I had some espresso machine had like two double espressos.

A bunch of magnesium and like four grams, five grams.

Some stupid amount, like unnecessary amount. And I thought that was a good idea for whatever

reason. So I'm driving to the airport and I'm like, oh, God, my stomach doesn't feel so good.

And I'm like, oh, kind of gassy. Oh, not feeling so great. And so, you know, I do a little lean

and just promptly shit all over myself. So bad. And I'm like, are you in an Uber?

No, no, I'm driving myself to like long term parking. And I'm like, okay. So I'm like, wow,

this is this is a disaster. What do I do here? You bust out the luggage. Yeah. No, this is when

I wish I had your ASOP hand sanitizer. And so I'm on my way and I'm just like, all right,

how do I find the silver lining of this? Because this is so bad. And I'm going to be late to my

flight. I might miss my flight. And I call one of my close friends, I'm not going to mention my name,

because I'm like, this is the one guy who's going to find this funnier than anyone else. So I call

him and I'm like, you will not believe what just happened. And I explain the whole thing. And of

course, he gets like extreme delight out of this whole situation, which like gives me some redeeming

aspect to the whole thing. I get to the long term parking garage and I'm like, what do I do here?

So like, take off my underwear, wipe myself down with my underwear, chuck it under some other car,

and run to my flight with no underwear on, like long pants, obviously. And then sit down for

like a 12 hour flight smelling like I've just taken a tumble through a fucking slaughterhouse.

Were you economy at that stage? Oh, yeah, this was like middle seat economy for 12 hours kind

of thing. Oh, fuck. It was so bad. I mean, it was bad for me. It was embarrassing, but it was like

bad also for everyone around me. And yeah, and I'm not proud of this, but I've had enough domain

tempiaire to confess my sins. Everyone's had a close call, if not a fatal disaster in this domain.

Yeah, if you've had enough creatine and caffeine, don't lie to me, you've had disaster pants at some

point. Either you saved it and you slid into home or you had absolute like triage where it was

a disaster. Tim, you mentioned ASAP for you wish you had some during this occasion. Maybe they'll

want to be a sponsor. You could probably cut this little story out and use it and be like,

you know, I shit myself one time, but if I only had ASAP hand sanitizer,

the whole plane would be one of their highest converting ads of all time. Exactly. I have

something to show you as an artifact, physical artifact. So this is the latest

cockpunch coffee. I'm sure you can see it's very pretty. It's very like reflective and gorgeous.

That is beautiful. That's a lot of cockpunch. How big is that bag?

This bag is how many ounces is this? Let's say this is 10 ounces. So we got the cockpunch Miami Vice

Magenta and teal type colors in the front. We got all the greater houses on the side.

We got the eight fold arena icon on that opposite side, which is also for the clerics,

House Nemos. And then we got the description of the back QR code to like the whole story.

And then we have the UPC, which means that this is retail ready. So I will have some

announcements in the not too distant future related to some more year in a tease this coffee.

Holy shit. I've never been a meth addict and I don't want to trivialize it, but

when I was testing for this, I didn't understand how real coffee masters and

then baristas test coffee. So I was doing multiple cups of coffee for every variation

that I tested. Oh, yeah. And I was drinking like 12 cups coffee a day. I was so cracked out. It was

not ideal, but I did test dozens and dozens of varieties and ultimately ended up on

Ethiopian. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. This is Bombay Sadama, Ethiopia. This is Ethiopian

Mother Station Wash. Ethiopian coffees are just like so chill. Yeah. They're like nobody's offended.

Everyone just loves them. They're just right down the fairway. They're not too heavy, not too light.

They just give you a good flavor profile like nobody's best. Not too oily. This is also

medium blend. And I want to give credit where credit is, dude. This is roasted on a bell

weather. So bell weather is all electric, the lowest carbon imprint coffee that you can purchase.

It's all electric, which also makes it very replicable, which is super interesting, right?

Because when you're using analog roasting technology, there's a pretty high degree of

variance. Whereas with bell weather and bell weather is B-E-L-L-W-E-T-H-E-R. It is all electric.

So you can dial in the specs and really replicate on demand, which is impressive to me. I've been

very impressed with their consistency. I got to say on the whole conversation we had earlier about

the Cockpunch name, if you go the route of stimulant drinks slash mail. It's perfect. It's perfect.

Enhancement. You're fucking set. Oh, yeah. It's right down the fairway. Yep. Yeah. The Cockpunch

pill is at the 7-Eleven behind the counter that just gets you going. Yeah, right at the impulse

purchase realm, right next to five hour energy. It's like, do you need a lift? Cockpunch. And also,

all of my proceeds are going to the foundation. So they go directly to early stage science and

all that stuff. That new jet that you guys bought for your foundation? He's beautiful. You're such a

prick. Did you get a G6? I do not have it yet for the foundation. Kevin is punching me in the nuts.

As per usual. It's Cockpunch. Hashtag Cockpunch. All right. What else you got? I got two more things

to say. So one thing, and I'm, this one here, I'm about three months into testing. It's called One

Skin. And I am not a person that goes out and buys like skin products. But I have said, as I've gotten

older, like, you know, you think about your crow's feet and all the other shit you have

going on, like eyebrows and all that stuff. Eyebrows are fine. Right, right, right here.

No wine involved in this podcast. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But, but what got me interested is

this is a, the isolated is a very science-driven team that isolated a peptide that clears out

senescent cells. Okay. Like, euthanizes all the people in the senior living home, basically,

from a cell perspective. Pretty much. Makes a little bit bad. Cells die and all the fresh

ones live and lines go away. I think this is all bullshit. But here's the thing.

Rhonda Patrick was the first one to talk about it because she was convinced by the science.

And then David Sinclair also tweeted about it because he was really convinced by the science.

And I'm like, listen, these are two people that are way above my pay grade that on the science

side, I respect. And if they're talking about this peptide and they're liking the kind of peer

reviewed articles that are coming out about it or science is coming out about it, I'm going to

pay attention. And so I, I picked some up and like, you know, I'm like three months in and I'm

starting to notice little tiny changes just like in skin quality and like less like bumpiness that

I would have and more just kind of like supple. I've also had some a lot of people, at least I

probably have. You look very, very supple. Plump. Yeah, pleasantly plump. But I would say that

in general, I'm pretty impressed. So I just want to throw that out there. I'm not the scientist,

but you know, a couple amazing scientists have already recommended this. What's the name of this

thing? One's one skin. Oh, and yeah, one not an investor. Yeah, just any skin. And they don't have

like this extensive product line of all these things. There's like three things you can buy

it like a cleanser and eye cream. And I like that. I honestly more and more I like a few

skews, you know, it's like, if you have 1000 things, I'm like, all right, you're like lining

your pipeline with all this shit to feed me as a customer. But it's like, if you have like one,

two, three things, all right, you're really focused on refining that product. I have a buddy that had

lost a bunch of weight lately and had a bunch of kind of like lines in his neck. And so he started

applying a bunch of the stuff to his neck and he's like, I'm noticing some results. And I was like,

this is kind of interesting. It's worth like letting other people try and see what they think,

you know, my crow's feet are like fucking Brontosaurus feet at this point. They're out of

control. You should try the one eye for three months. That would be fucking cool, right?

That's a good idea. That's actually a really, that's a great idea. Try the one eye. And on your

dates, you're like, we're all fucked up. Like I'm just one. The crow's feet pirate. That'd be great.

Just one eye. Your date's like, Oh, something's going on. What was it called? No, no, no. One skin.

Yeah. All right. Anyway, lastly, this is a Peter Atea recommendation. I wanted to really

clean, clean, clean, clean protein for when I make shakes and work out. You probably know about

ProMix, right? I don't know anything about them. Oh, so this is Atea's favorite protein, or at least

it was as of a couple of months ago. Is he an investor in ProMix? I don't think so. No. It's

called ProMix. The founders I was reading up on who's behind it. And it's like, just insanely,

insanely clean, grass fed, hormone free cows, minimally processed. You know, there's a lot of

them that are out there like this, but I know Atea has a whole SWAT team of people that do all the

due diligence for him when he's considering anything new. And if he's going to say something's

interesting, I pay attention. And they actually make these little tiny bars that are whey protein,

like little rice, crispy treats kind of thing, but they don't spike your glucose because I wear

my continuous glucose monitor. And it puts on things like they're either 15 or 20 grams of

protein. And so I just have those snacks I travel with as well. So ProMix is his favorite protein

as of the last time I chatted with him. So ProMix. And then do you want to mention this rice cooker?

I think that might be interesting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I found a rice cooker. I don't have a link to

it in front of me, but there was a rice cooker that I stumbled upon. So I love rice, you know,

but for me, rice is fucking delicious. So good. It's so good. And Tim, like back in the day,

and you'll remember this quite well. But when you were into continuous glucose monitors,

and then you got me into them shortly after, you used to have to like manually inject yourself

with that big ass syringe. Do you remember to put those in? Oh, so bad. It was so bad. Do you

remember how bad? It was like a barbecue forked tong that you had to stick into your abdomen.

Yeah. It was really bad. And you would watch the needle go in. There was like no quick action.

You had like pushed it in and pushed out. And then we get this continuous glucose monitor. And

this is like, you know, whatever, 10 years ago, you started doing it. I thought you were crazy.

And then I copied you like two months later and started doing it. And one of the things I

noticed and I've noticed since my entire time doing CGMs is that rice is my biggest offender.

If I eat a cup of rice, my shit is through the roof on the glucose side and everybody's

different. Everybody has different microbiome. There's a whole slew of factors on what happens

here. But here's the interesting thing. Toshiba, who is a trusted brand, came out with a quote

unquote low carb rice cooker. And I was like, what the fuck is this? Like low carb, like this

bullshit, right? We all know rice is high carb. But what are they talking about? Brown rice,

you know, like all this shit, right? Even brown rice spikes me, by the way. So I went,

I did the research and what they've done is they created this clever little basket. They figured

out that a typical rice cooker, 99.9% of rice cookers, you pour the water in, cook the rice,

it's stews in its own water, and your rice is done. You scoop it in your bowl. A bunch of the

starch, call it like 70 or so percent of it is released in that water during the kind of the

process of actually making and cooking the rice. So Toshiba invented a new rice cooker,

they call it their fuzzy logic technology rice cooker that has a basket that lets all of the

starchy water drain to the bottom and you end up with a much lower glycemic load.

It cuts the carbs by 34%, sorry, 37% reduction in carbohydrate. And dude, I ate a cup of rice

and I'm telling you, I can see it on my CGM. It does not spike me nearly as much as the full

rice, which I thought was pretty awesome. I wouldn't have believed this in anyone else,

but Toshiba came out with it and I was like, okay, Toshiba is going to put their name behind it,

like they must have done the research, you know? Yeah, they're a big dog. It's $179. If you want

to just cut a little bit of carbs out of you or it rises a big offender for you, it works with

the oatmeal, it works with the whole soup, brown rice, white rice, quinoa, the whole range of things.

Anyway, I just thought it was really cool. It's got 1,852 ratings with four and a half out of

five stars, 4.6 stars out of five. So people love it. 300 plus have bought it in the last month.

Let me ask you this, taste-wise, is it as good? I couldn't tell the difference.

A little bit on the texture, a little tiny bit on the texture, but call it a maybe five to

seven percent delta from what you're normally experiencing on rice. So you're not pissed. It's

fine. It's fine. Nobody's complaining. That's a big deal. It's a big deal. I fucking love rice.

There are so many carbs that I can, I'm like, whatever I can do without it. I love rice. Oh my

God, do I love rice? When you go hog, like full hog on something, like cheat, cheat night. Yeah.

What do you do? I'll tell you what I did two nights ago. I went with Darian. We have 14 E's.

You go first. I pulled that out of the fridge. I had this like mixed berry that was like a

berry cookie ice cream or some shit. And like, do you feel like hell when you crush an entire

pint of ice cream? Like I feel like I'm just like a sinned beyond belief. Yeah, it's been a while

since I've crushed a whole pint of ice cream. My weaknesses are super clear. My weaknesses are

cheesecake. So my question for any weight staff is from one to 10, no seven loud,

how good is your cheesecake? And if they give me an eight, nine or 10, I'll do the cheesecake.

There's cheesecake and then there's carrot cake. So those are my two. Oh my God. But it has to be

super moist and the icing has to be really, really, really good. And I also can't have big

chunks of carrot in it. If it has big chunks of carrot, like carrot cake is a joke. It's

fucking cake, right? I mean, it's got huge chunks of carrot. Like I'm not Bugs Bunny. I don't need

I don't have a carrot deficiency. Some people do that, though. I've had some fucking carrots in

there. I'm not into it. Why is there chunks of carrot? I'm not into it. Yeah, same. No. So those

two I will always go for pint of ice cream. And look, if it's in front of me, I'm sure I'll eat

it if I've had especially two drinks, like two glasses or more of any drink. Like tonight,

like tonight. So martinis, you mentioned martinis. Is it an old fucker thing that they

end up turning to martinis? Because I have become more and more interested in martinis

as my drink. Oh my God, dude. So here's the deal, dude. Martinis, the thing that is so beautiful

about them is that if you order it correctly, it is spirit clean. So it's not like a heavy,

like there's no sugar. So here's what I do. I say, give me a gin martini. I typically go with,

I like the less botanical gins. Yeah, so I'll do a poodles or something that that's just like

less botanical. And then I'll add in two olives. And I'll say extra dry, extra cold. And then you're

good to go. And just a tiny bit of vermouth. So on the dry side, rinse the glass with vermouth.

And then so it's mainly gin. And you got those couple of olives in there and you're good to go.

What is your opinion on espresso martinis? I mean, I only do those at like my friend's

bachelor parties. You're like, I'm going to be out till 2am because like, otherwise caffeine

fucks me like. Yeah, Manhattan speedball. Yeah, I love espresso martinis. I gotta be honest.

Dude, they're really good. If you're on a date, go to town, son. Yeah, that's a great way to go out

and have fun. I'm back on the field. I'm not the young man I once was. My chi has been diminished.

I need to compensate with caffeine. Tim, you got to move out here, dude. Like this is like fertile

ground. You got to come out here. I don't know if I can deal with it. I don't know if I can deal

with it. Honestly, it's too intoxicating. It's like how much time do you want to spend falling down

the rabbit hole with Alice in Wonderland? I mean, it's intoxicating. Do you think they're all kind

of... Can we bleep something out if I say it? Yeah, of course. Do you think they're all out here?

Or do you think it's like... Are they all that type of person? Or do you think it's like...

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not that she's a bad person.

I said, it's going to be amazing. So I think there are amazing people. It's just you have to really

wade through and sort through a lot in LA to get to the signal. It's very hard. What are you

looking for? What are you looking for in a relationship long term? What are your top

go-tos? What do you want? What do I want? I want someone with... Don't say physical.

I mean, the physical matters. That's not a fucking lie.

Don't get me wrong. I know you want to... I know what you want.

Look, Daria... I'll give Daria a compliment. Daria takes very good care of herself.

Dude, she works out two hours a day.

It's like that's not trivial. She's very... And it's for her as much as it is for you,

but it's a significant... It's not for me.

It's a significant thing. The physical practice is a significant thing. So there's that. I mean,

I like strong, physically attuned women. Now, strong doesn't mean big. I'm not looking for

CrossFit games winner necessarily, but someone who is very physically attuned is important to me.

That's important to me personally. It's important to a partner. Outside of that, I think that I'm

looking for someone who has a clear sense of identity and direction because that direction

may change, but if someone doesn't have a clear demonstrated ability to focus for at least a

few years, I find that the relationship becomes this nitpicky project.

Well, you don't want them also just hanging on. It's got to be their own show, too, right?

They got... Not show, but you know what I mean. They got to have their own shit going on.

They have to have their own shit going on. How should we wrap things up? I got way more

things to talk about, but I know we've been going for a while. I mean, I'll add one. All right,

so let's take a departure from one more each. Yeah, sure. So I'll give one. So mine is an app.

You can find it on browser, on laptop as well called AeroLo, A-I-R-A-L-O, which is for cellular

data overseas. And it is the easiest, most reliable approach that I've found to cellular

data overseas. So if you're going to any country, you can buy a cellular data plan, even if, for

instance, in my case, Verizon may not support or... Oh, I can help you here. I got a better

solution than this, but go ahead. All right. Well, I can't wait to hear. In the case of Verizon,

yeah, they want to upgrade you in quotation marks all the time to an unlimited data plan.

But the cost question is open for me. So I've used AeroLo, which I have been very happy with

up to this point in time. So what's your better alternative?

Here's something that most people don't know is that iPhones in particular,

and I believe Android phones as well, they can support multiple SIMs. And at this point in

time, they're called eSIMs because you don't actually need to... So AeroLo is an eSIM.

Okay. So Google Fi is just insane because internationally, they give you coverage in

just so many countries. I don't have the exact number, but I put on a secondary plan. So

there's two things this helps you with. My main plan is Verizon. And I use that for data because

they have good 5G. I use it for my main phone number. No, sorry, I don't use my phone number.

I use it for data. I use my phone number at Google Fi because it's protected by two-factor

authentication, all crazy security of Google Fi. So SIM swaps are very... They just can't happen

because there's not a person to call to trick into doing a SIM swap. You have to actually

log in with your Google account. So use that at... Google Fi is your main number. Change the data

to go to Verizon so you get the good data package because you can do this thing on iPhone.

So walk me through this just to back up. So I have a Verizon account. What do I do?

Okay, so you want to transfer your number to Google Fi?

How do you do that? Okay. Google Fi on the website will walk you through it.

Okay. Now Google Fi is not going to give you the best data. So what you then do is you say,

okay, Verizon, I love you, but you're going to be my data only plan. And they charge like $20 a

month or something for it. It's data only. Okay. So that's your eSIM that is data only.

And then in the settings, you say, where do you want to get your data from? And you say,

I want to get it from Verizon. And then you got the 5G network in the United States,

you're good to go, right? And then your security of your main phone number is locked down by Google

Fi. So that's the most secure place that you can have it. Then when you go abroad, because Google

Fi has all of these international connections, it's like over 200 destinations, they say,

they have coverage on. It's insanely cheap. Like their data plans, the cheapest there are out there.

Then you go into your phone settings and say, switch my data from Verizon to Google Fi. So

now you're Google Fi all the time when you're international and one phone, you don't have to

switch phones or anything. And so I have this like little two bar thing that goes on. They show

you two bars on your phone when you do both of the plans. So it's great. I love it. Boom. So what is

the infrastructure of Google Fi? How are they providing that data? They use multiple providers,

but it's mainly T-Mobile in the United States. But it says that all plans include US, Canada and

Mexico, unlimited plans and flexible plans, data in 200 plus international destinations,

plus 5G in select countries. And their 5G country list just keeps growing and growing.

It's great, man. Every time I've ever fly anywhere international, I just turn on Google Fi and I get

like the highest speed. It's fantastic. It's so inexpensive. Amazing. I'm on it. All right. So I'm

taking notes too, folks. All right, Kevin, you said you had one more. Do you have something else?

Last one, I've got a bunch of investing related stuff, but you can get that on my podcast,

KevinRose.com. They'll be linked to the podcast at the top. But I would say the last thing,

which is the absolute no-brainer right now, screw buying individual bonds. Rates are changing all

the time. Vanguard, and this is not investment advice. This is just like me saying what I do

personally. When I do my bonds rather than do bond funds or crazy like medium-term or long-term bonds,

we don't want to screw with that, give them more rates or add. VUSXX is the Vanguard fund that I

use. And I think it's a no-brainer in that it's 100% treasury based. So they buy US government

treasuries. It's short-term bond fund. There's no federal tax on that because they are United

States treasuries, so it's only state tax. So all these banks right now are being like,

hey, we'll give you 4.5%, we'll give you 4%, blah, blah, screw that. You go and put your money in

those banks and they're charging you both state and federal tax on that, even though it may seem

like a quote unquote high interest yield. You go set up a Vanguard account, buy this fund right

now, and this obviously changes day by day, no investment advice again. Right now, it's 5.32%

compound yield on Vanguard with the smallest management fee, and they're just buying US

treasuries. You're getting 5.3% with no federal tax like home run. It's just a no-brainer. So

that's what I'm doing on the bond side right now. Everything else, index invested, set it, forget it,

except for NVIDIA. I also think that there's some upside in AMD potentially on the low-end AI side.

Wait, what? Hold on, say that again. NVIDIA, I think it's going to 3 trillion.

I think it's going to 3 trillion. The new plutonium. It's like the new arms race.

Listen, AI is the shit. It's not going away anytime soon. It's not a fad. This is not

VR, AR, bullshit. This is really going to change the entire world. NVIDIA is the dominant player

in this space. The stock, if you look at it, it's like scary as shit because the run-up has just

been the most insane steep climb you've ever seen. I think long-term it's going to a $3 trillion

company. It's close to 2, hovering at 2 right now. This is a growth play. This is not an angel

investment. I hold some just because I like to hold a few individual stocks. I think AMD is a good

cheap play for this. They still have a pretty high price-to-earnings ratio. I met with a good friend

of mine that's an insanely smart PhD from MIT that is one of the earliest inventors of a bunch of AI.

I sold this company to Apple. I won't name him, but he told me that the problem with AMD is they

have an underdeveloped software stack for AI, but they're rapidly trying to fix that because I like

that it's the biggest issue that AMD has right now. AMD is way cheaper than NVIDIA right now.

If I was going to say, okay, I've got X number of dollars for an AI play,

two things. Dollar cost average you're way in, so you're not buying the high and not buying the low.

You're just spending a fixed amount of money over six months or so to slowly work your way

into the market. If you don't know what dollar cost averaging is, Google search it, and then AMD

would be like, if I put 75% in NVIDIA, I put 25% AMD, not investment advice. TSMC is the manufacturer

of all the chips. TSMC makes NVIDIA chips, AMD chips. They are the backbone of this entire

world when it comes to manufacturing CPUs, GPUs. The biggest concern there is they're in Taiwan,

hotly contested China issues. I don't touch it because I worry about China. I talked to my buddy,

my buddy that's really, really deep on the AI side, one of my most trusted advisors on the AI side.

He said that when this was a big shocker to me, he told me that Facebook invested in AI a few

years ago and bought up some of the best engineers in AI, so he would not be surprised if Facebook

unveils some crazy, shocking, amazing AI tech in the next six months to a year.

I trust him. I'm not buying Facebook stock because I think they're fucked up for a whole

bunch of other reasons. They're spending way too much on VR and AR, but that was eye-opening to me.

The other two big players, this is Google and Amazon. Google is only showing a little bit

of their cards right now, not revealing the whole thing. Bard, their AI is insanely, insanely

locked down. The real Bard behind the scenes, if you're at Google, it's a 10x improvement over

what they have publicly available. It's a lot better. I'll give a wink. It's a lot better.

Last thing, NtDoy, Nintendo, Super Mario Brothers' second highest box office sales

out of all animated films. The Super Mario Brothers' amazing movie, they're sitting in a

fucked-up IP. A nibble for me is Nintendo. I nibble because I see them playing with Universal

Studios. Could they be the next Disney? I don't know, man. Zelda could be the next Lord of the Rings.

There's a lot of IP locked up there in Nintendo. I think that could be interesting.

That's fun. Yeah, for people who are wondering also, Nintendo, way back in the day, Nintendo,

used to make initially, they made trading cards, Hanafuda trading cards in Japan. They still

make them. They were so oishi. Yeah, oishi. Delicious. They're just beautiful and delicious.

Delicious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kushi. It's kushi. Very beautiful. All right, man. Well,

fuckin' A, we've covered a lot. That was great. Nice to see you, buddy. Yeah, good to see you,

brother. This was fun. Anything else you'd like to say? Kevin, you're going to point people to

the new podcast? Yeah, I mean, just if you head to KevinRose.com, it'll be at the head

of there. I'll make sure it's up. And I appreciate you all for listening. I promise some wild,

crazy moments and some fun stuff. So thank you for tuning in. Kevin is very, very, very, very good

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team will have to untangle. But team.blogs.podcast to find links to all sorts of shit. And I'm sure

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[04:41] Drinks? Heck, it's3:00 p.m. Friday somewhere.

[08:36] Affordable (and unaffordable) luxuries.

[14:42] Kevin's relaunching his podcast.

[17:37] Celebrating creative CØCKPUNCH collaboration.

[26:56] Overcoming delegation consternation.

[36:23] OCD & ADHD

[42:55] Tolkien never said "CØCKPUNCH."

[47:55] Inspirational formats and fictions.

[53:26] Brain stimulation banter.

[55:23] Tokenizing humans via a bonding curve.

[1:03:24] Mitigating brain damage over time.

[1:11:47] Cold therapy on a budget.

[1:17:41] Climbing up the poet tree.

[1:26:31] Coyotes and wolves and Twain.

[1:30:34] A free idea for Audible: synchronous book clubs?

[1:32:02] Supplements.

[1:34:35] Brodo kudos.

[1:36:44] Aesop.

[1:37:12] Caffeine and creatine with a chance of disaster pants.

[1:41:15] CØCKPUNCH Coffee.

[1:44:49] Three cheers for OneSkin.

[1:47:50] One out of one Dr. Peter Attias recommends ProMix.

[1:48:51] A low-carb rice cooker? Thanks, Toshiba.

[1:52:14] We like our cake like we like our martinis: without carrots.

[1:57:31] Phone data strategies for international travelers.

[2:01:28] Why Kevin doesn't buy individual bonds (and what he does instead).

[2:03:00] What stocks attract Kevin's investment dollars these days?

[2:06:57] Parting thoughts.

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